WM2005: Theory About the Bootloader and Button in MAGNETO - MDA II, XDA II, 2060 ROM Development

for others pls make a POLL if your button is working or not in WM2005
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=22737
Been a while since the POLL Shows that there are more people who has experiencing the non-working rec and cam button in Magneto than those has a working button. Up to this moment there are no single explanation why this is happening ..
But it is not the number that are very intriguing in the POLL but its BOOTLOADER version, because we can easily distinguish does people who have a working button than those has not working button
:arrow: If you have a BOOTLOADER 1.01, 1.02 or 1.03
Most Likely ALL your Button will work .. if it doesnt work .. just a little adjustment then it gonna work
:arrow: AND if you have a BOOTLOADER 1.04 and 1.05
The Record button will only work if it is turn off(press power off once) and the buttonlock is off but it will not work if the device is ON or Total OFF (press power off twice)
and Camera button is not working in any type of situation (ON, Suspend(press power off once), total OFF(press power off twice))
:arrow: BUT if you have 1.06 the results are mixed
if you are sure that your original Booloader Installed is 1.06, then same as those who have 1.04 and 1.05 your camera and record will not work if the device is ON
but some have a working button and has Bootloader 1.06 ..
im not saying that a ROM upgrade can upgrade the BOOTLOADER since it needs the bootloader to be Unlock or to be Unprotect before it changes the Bootloader which mostly of the Device Bootloader is Lock and Protected and im not sure if there is a ROM upgrade (.nbf) that can unprotect our Bootloader to Upgrade it although we had already a case in the past thread that bootloader is change due to rom upgrade..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=54696#54696
Heres My list of ROM version that contains Bootloader 1.06
1.66.00 WWE
1.66.00 ITA
1.66.00 WWE
1.66FRA
1.66.01 GER
1.72.00 WWE
1.72.01 GER
1.75.00 WWE
2.02.t1 WWE
2.20.07 CHS - both Translated and not
PS. I cant find yet a ROM Upgrade(.nbf) than contain 1.04 and 1.05 bootloader but some 1.60 ROM (NOT ALL) contains 1.03 Bootloader.
also 2.06.00WWE doesnt contain a bootloader (or bootloader is blank/empty)
Now we first extract and compare the bootloader of those who have working button and uses 1.06 with those is nonworking button and uses 1.06 bootloader
User with working Button and Bootloader 1.06
buzz_lightyear
anybody
User with non-working Button and Bootloader 1.06
toenailed
xda2jojo
gotan
Suprising we FOUND no SINGLE DIFFERENCES AT ALL .. so it means that it is not the BOOTLOADER ..
BUT WE CANNOT CONFIRMED if no one will try to Downgrade there bootloader for those non-working and upgrade there bootloader for working button. And Downgrading and Upgrading the Bootloader is surely a very Dangerous thing that you will do to your device .. i once explain it in this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=124909#124909
But Someone has to do it to end this Bootloader version Theory of non-working button .. and since im the KING of STUPIDITY .. i will do THis SimPLE STUpid ExpERIMENTATion to know if the Bootloader
is the MAIN Cause for a non-working Camera and Record BUTTON of SOME WM2005/WM5.0 user, including me ..
[frutybabes.jpg left]DAY 1 -- DOWNGRADING MY BOOTLOADER FROM
My Original Bootloader Installed
Bootloader 1.06 1.34b
Built Time: 14:32:09
Built Date: Feb 18 2004
and My Rec and Camera button is not working
to
BOOTLOADER VERSION NOW
Bootloader : 1.03 1.32b
Built Time : 14:54:39
Built Date : Dec 10 2003

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SimPLE StUpID EXPERimeNTaTIOn .. BOOTLOADER PLAYING part 2
DAY TWO - RESULTS of DOWNGRADING FROM 1.06 to 1.03:
Flashing thru EXE from WM2003/SE:
After Flashing thru .nbf the Record is Working but the Camera button is not working ..
after the First Soft Reset the Record button is no longer working
Flashing thru SD Card from WM2003/SE:
After Flashing thru SD Card both the Record and Camera button is not working ..
Flashing thru EXE from WM2005:
After Flashing thru .nbf the Record button and Camera Button is not working ..
Flashing thru SD Card from WM2005:
After Flashing thru SD Card both the Record and Camera button is not working ..
Additional INFORMATION:
STILL if the power button is press once, the Record button is working
but
if the power button is press twice (Total Shutdown), the Record Button is not working
but if the Double TAP FUNCTION OF POWER BUTTON is DeActivated
Record Button is Working if the Device is off but not if on
Camera button is not working both on or off or in any situation
Downgrading from 1.06 to 1.03 Conclusion :
after Downgrading my BOOTLOADER from 1.06 to 1.03 MY RECORD AND CAMERA BUTTON IS STILL NOT WORKING
DONE LOTS OF REGISTRY TWEAKING AND ALMOST ALL POSSIBILITIES INCLUDING DOWNGRADING TO WM2003 and WM2003SE and GO BACK TO WM2005, EMPTYING THE EXTENDED ROM ETC..
AND STILL BUTTON IS NOT WORKING
Sponsor of BOOTLOADER 1.03
rhmartin
and
tumtum
TNX SO MUCH GUYS .. need to compare your both bootloader if i get it right .. TNX
Special Thanks to
buzz_lightyear
and
xda2jojo
and
gotan
heheh thnx for building courage to this dangerous experiment
and especially to the GREAT ONE
itsme
for creating such a wonderful dangerous tool .. tnx so much ..
-toe
NEXT STOP .. BOOTLOADER 1.01 .. WATCH OUT ..

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I would image at this point that its probably not bootloader so much as the hardware revision of the device, and probably older devices work, (which typically have older bootloaders).
The REAL experiment would be for someone with working keys to upgrade their bootloader, (like a 1.01 to upgrade to 1.06)...
(Ya I know,... NOT ME!.... :wink: ) Some other braver soul...
Actually Buzz might have done this? Buzz has 1.06, but did Buzz ever upgrade his bootloader?

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JamesManios said:
I would image at this point that its probably not bootloader so much as the hardware revision of the device, and probably older devices work, (which typically have older bootloaders).
The REAL experiment would be for someone with working keys to upgrade their bootloader, (like a 1.01 to upgrade to 1.06)...
(Ya I know,... NOT ME!.... :wink: ) Some other braver soul...
Actually Buzz might have done this? Buzz has 1.06, but did Buzz ever upgrade his bootloader?
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SOme ROM Upgrade, mostly the OLD ROM WM20003 contains already a bootloader 1.06 like the 1.66 and 1.72 (or even 1.75) .. some older rom contains bootloader 1.03 like the 1.60 .. but this ROM will only upgrade/downgrade your device BOOTLOADER if you have unlock bootloader which is most of the case is LOCKED or Protected..
im not sure if there is a rom update that can unlocks the bootloader and change it .. but in the past there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=54696#54696 .. but in a case of anybody, (tnx my friend for all the info and help .. :wink: ), i believe it was updated and not originally 1.06 since he bought his device December 2003 and the bootloader 1.06 is built in Feb 18, 2004 .. .. and yet still he has a working Rec and Camera button .. but it was repaired in March 2004 so it could be also an update from the service center .. ..
-toe

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SimPLE StUpID EXPERimeNTaTIOn .. BOOTLOADER PLAYING part 3
[frutybabes.jpg left]DAY 3 - DOWNGRADING MY Device BOOTLOADER from
Bootloader : 1.03 1.32b
Built Time : 14:54:39
Built Date : Dec 10 2003
and
Bootloader 1.06 1.34b
Built Time: 14:32:09
Built Date: Feb 18 2004
to
Bootloader : 1.01 1.28
Built Time : 22:22:13
Built Date : Sep 15 2003
anyway .. successful .. hehe starting to enjoy playing with BOOTLOADER heheh..
THX JAMES for the Bootloader 1.01 .. ..

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anyway .. successful .. hehe starting to enjoy playing with BOOTLOADER heheh..
THX JAMES for the Bootloader 1.01
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No prob,
Does that mean that the 1.01 bootloader worked? As in your hardware keys are now working, or the downgrade was successful?

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hi
i need to confirm yet and do more testing before i post the result of downgrading to bootloader version 1.01
anyway heres my initial FINDINGs
MY RECORD AND CAMERA BUTTON IS STILL NOT WORKING
-toe

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Upgrade Bootloader 1.03 to 1.06
Ok, this is a dirty job but (as they say) somebody has to do it!
As suggested by James, maybe if somebody can volunteer to upgrade his bootloader, we can finally put to rest the issue of "not working buttons" as either related to the bootloader or any other thing.
So toe, I see you are successful in downgrading, if you may share & give me the steps to do the upgrade i'm willing to take the risk!
I have bootloader 1.03 & working buttons. I'm willing to try an upgrade to 1.06.
Let me know. Good luck in your experimentations..... :wink:

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I find it odd that there could be a software difference that would stop hardware buttons working, and yet here we have it. 2002/2003/2003se all work fine, but put 2005 on and they brake.
the recent experiments in downgrading bootloader would suggest that its the actual hardware that is the problem, ie, later models (tend to have later bootloader) are less likely to work.
From this, I think its time somebody looked at how the buttons actualy interface with the hardware, and what the difference is. Because the phone buttons, the cam/note buttons and the contact/calender buttons all work on different methods.
We may have to resort to a hardware hack. It may be as simple as changing a surface mount resistor to alter the value that the buttons trigger the hardware or as complicated as changing the gpio pins, who knows.
Any hardware hackers wanna take a look?

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god i wish this theory of bootloader wud go away ,i bought a secondhand xda2 of ebay last week it has 1.03 and it works fine.
one possible clue is unfortunately is to dismantle the device or remove casing and locate what REVISION the board is.which i will do 2morrow .at the same i will try and identify any obvious differences between the two.
my original device has 1.06 and works fine!!!!!

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o still think its a driver issue
well i still think its a driver issue or hardware gpio version issue
if i m not wrong the rom its made for one single device and that device was probably old so
new ones have new ship version and dont work. bootloader is recent
old ones work
and then aggain some new ones works cos the way chip board are manufactured
an old stock off chips got int production in a more recent version of devices wich made some 1.06 bootloaders also work.
so check the driver compared with 2003 driver and the answer is hidden there........
ok i m an idiot full of ideias
god buzz will solve it
god toenailed will prove it
god xda2jojo will anounce it

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Re: Upgrade Bootloader 1.03 to 1.06
rhmartin said:
Ok, this is a dirty job but (as they say) somebody has to do it!
As suggested by James, maybe if somebody can volunteer to upgrade his bootloader, we can finally put to rest the issue of "not working buttons" as either related to the bootloader or any other thing.
So toe, I see you are successful in downgrading, if you may share & give me the steps to do the upgrade i'm willing to take the risk!
I have bootloader 1.03 & working buttons. I'm willing to try an upgrade to 1.06.
Let me know. Good luck in your experimentations..... :wink:
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hi rhmartin .. pls PM me your YM or ICQ bro .. we need to talk live in Upgrading your BOOLOADER .. my first downgrade to 1.03 .. took 1 minute to finish .. and yeah ive been praying that nothing will happen .. when i downgrade to 1.01 from 1.03 it only took 15seconds .. but when i upgrade to 1.06 it took almost 30seconds.. but when i downgrade again to 1.01 and now from 1.06 it took me also 36seconds .. anyway its more on your PC and PPC condition than the actual upgrading process .
wish you were in pHilippines so we can study and compare our device ..
anyway guys before i even try to downgrade my Bootloader id already ask a forumer who has a working button to open his device and i will open my device also and compare it with him .. i just had to confirm first using all bootloader that its not really a bootloader issue .. it will just take us too long since i cant find a forumer near to my place that has working button to compare it we only communicate thru IM ..
ONE MORE THING GUys .. anyone here has also BOOTLOADER 1.01 pls pm me .. id like to check and compare it with the one i got from JAMES .. im having some problems with 1.01 than with 1.03 .. id like to know if this is just me and my device or the problem is incompatiblity somewhere of bootloader itself ...
anyway JAMES have you try using an MMC bigger than 64MB .. i dont have a problem in SD card even in 1gb but if i use MMC it can only read first 64MB and it will hang there .. i already try it in 1.06 but i havent encounter that problem .. i remember in 1.03 that i dont a problem in that either .. anyway tnx again for the 1.01 ..

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amdworld said:
god i wish this theory of bootloader wud go away ,i bought a secondhand xda2 of ebay last week it has 1.03 and it works fine.
one possible clue is unfortunately is to dismantle the device or remove casing and locate what REVISION the board is.which i will do 2morrow .at the same i will try and identify any obvious differences between the two.
my original device has 1.06 and works fine!!!!!
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hi amdworld
can you make a Post in Here .. plsss
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=22737
including your Serial Number and part number .. to see how old your device really is .. plss .. tnx
-toe

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i m getting more convinced of driver
i read thats what i do and read here that TSC2200 is responsible for the keys
so there is REV A to F of that chip
not working camera and record must be it
i put some file here for the you guys have a look

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Re: i m getting more convinced of driver
rictec said:
i read thats what i do and read here that TSC2200 is responsible for the keys
so there is REV A to F of that chip
not working camera and record must be it
i put some file here for the you guys have a look
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=hi rictec..
actually m with you that the problem is due to driver (or dll) and it can be fix with a patch or a new driver .. since we dont have this problem in old WM version .. maybe we just need to distinguish first wat causes the problem ..
anyway tnx for the info .. been doing great help for me .. especially the 1.01 ..
-toe

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i tested a 128 mmc card and its ok
i did test for a 128MB MMC card i have in my foto camera and it worked ok
i usualy use a 1GB sandisk SD card
if that can say anything...its tested
Ps i never tryed a MMC card befoure only SD

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Re: i tested a 128 mmc card and its ok
rictec said:
i did test for a 128MB MMC card i have in my foto camera and it worked ok
i usualy use a 1GB sandisk SD card
if that can say anything...its tested
Ps i never tryed a MMC card befoure only SD
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hi rictec ..
oic tnx .. ill try your bootloader if i still have the same problem .. and post later the result ..
tnx again MATE .. :wink:
-toe

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and if you will open your device
at least read this will make it go bether lol

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Hardware
I have an old XDAII from Korea that came with 1.52 or something like that and a newer one from China with 1.66 with Chinese on it.
I have 2.20 Translated on both now.
The hardware is different.
I broke the screen on the China one and I took the screen out of the older unit. The connections would not even fit. Different hardware. :shock:
The China one is at www.PPCtechs.com now. When it comes back, I will flash them both with 2005.
If one works and the other does not... It will prove it is a hardware issue.

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Volume slider program
Has any one tried this http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus_t.html It woks great on 2003 2.20 etc. If it works on 2005, even with only the two top buttons, you could have a total of SIX buttons. (two real and 4 virtual) If the Volume slider part works.. THAT WOULD BE GREAT TOO!