yes they are but wait its only for ipaq's & dell
and even window media player-10 t that is also for ipaq's & dell.
how mean of them inspite all the htc devices run on windows.
someone gotta teach them a lesson.
heres the link see for yourself's
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/en/sm/pocketpc/MS5.0_upgrade.html for wm5
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/windowsmobile/default.aspx
for wm-10 player
can someone tell me if this will work on a himalaya?
am ready to buy this os
regards.
Hi
First of all, read wiki, and then ask questions.
Microsoft doesn't 'sell' WM5.0 roms.
Several devices' vendors support buying/upgrading, but unfortunately not HTC.
However, you can get WM5 for Himalaya, because wonderful people at xda-developers made this possible.
Read wiki, to get it:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Himalaya
Note, that this upgrade is not official and is still problematic....
People here are working hard to make it better.
@robal
dont be in a hurry, go to the link i have posted and see for yourself they are selling it for $39.99.
and yes i am aware of the wm5 rom's on buzzdev, and they have ton's of bug's.
since they are selling the rom in the hp site.
it should be trouble free.
Same as update to 2003se. Won't work (without patches) on any other then Ipaq's and Dell's. For other devices you are refered to the manifacturer.
Looked at this before, strategy of microsoft still the same.
Don't buy unless they say that they have an upgrade for your "specific" device.
A Real M$
ms dont make roms for devices
for the ipaq's hp makes roms for their devices and sell them
for htc devices htc makes roms for their devices and offer them for free
people must understand that when you buy a cd with windows for your pc it include all the drivers so it will run on every pc supported
when you get a rom for your device where the size of the rom is limited in space you only get the drivers and stuff for that very device and not anything else
roms are custom made and hardcoded to work on that special hardware config
if ms sell mw2005 but only to pda manufactors along with the tools required to build the rom from scratch along with the drivers for the cam or wifi cpu and the likes that pda uses
if you buy a hp rom then it will work just fine
that is if you install it on the supported hp pda
it will not work on anything else
Related
I have read and seen a lot about the ROM for the XDA2 but still can't understand everything abopuut it.
I understand that it is the Memory in the device that loads when you give it a hard reset. So what are the differences between the different ROM's around and is there one that stands up better than the rest?
Also how do you go about changing the ROM? And is it a safe procedure. Can I save the ROM I have and put it back with ease if a new one does not work for me?
All these questions I would love to know the answers to but could not find the answers directly here, is there anywhere I can point my navigator to to find out in simple non geekie language?
I wish I was a Geek but my brain will not cope with too much techkie stuff at one time and shuts down
Adam
Butler,
I understand your pain! But you have to begin somewhere...
Changing ROMs is a dangerous process that can lead even the most experienced " geek" through a lot of frustration and wasted time. It is however, in the nature of us, who are never contented with the normal out of the box" oftenly" flawed solutions, to tinker and experiment with the devices and create customized versions containing only the best for what we want to do.
The ROM is the software that makes your XDA work, the OS(operating system) for your device. It contains all the programs and applications needed to run the phone and PDA aspects. It also contains what is called a Radio Stack, which is what runs the Radio/ Phone version of the device.
Sometimes, these carriers will take the OS and make modifications such as installing their own time measuring/ messagin applications.These apps often cause a lot of issues in regards to performance and memory leaks and etc.
Our devices have an Operating System provided by Microsoft :twisted: and based on the Windows CE ( Compact Edition), which itself has many versions. The latest of these versions is what is called Windows Mobile 2003.
There are many ROM and Radio Stack versions ( like OS's) each with features and functionalities which work best for certain phone providers.
The XDA, MDA and XDAII are manufactured by a company called HTC ( called an OEM- Original Equipment Manufacturer) for many of our carriers.)
So playing with your ROM means potentially lobotomizing your unit :roll: , which is a thought that scares some and excites some! It is a great feeling to bring back a unit that was non-functioning or DEAD and have it working the way you want it to work...
My recomendation is that you read the posts in this and other boards before you decide to do an upgrade or tweak your XDA. Good Luck! 8)
Thanks for that Great Information. I had guessed a few of the things you wrote but it's nice to know these things from a real understandable Geek.
I love to mess with these things as well as long as I have an escape plan. Is there a way to save your exixting ROM on a PC and try others out, and if they don't work or I just dont like them put it back. I am sure there is but I have no idea how. How do you extract and load a ROM?? Also if the new ROM fails and the device does not start up can you still connect the XDA2 to a PC to put back your origional of another ROM. That is the bit that sounds scarry to me.
I use the O2 ROM that came with the phone and it really needs a bit of improving. There are several issues with it that could be looked at. Do you know of any great Radio Stacks out there???
Thanks again
Adam
By the way I am a photographer working for AP based in London and use my phone all the time to transmit my pictures back to the office. The phone does not work as well as a nokia in reliable GSM conections and GPRS and is slower have you any ideas about it?
OK, we all know its not going to formally happen (2003 SE Update that is...) and we all know the hardware is almost identical, therefore...
Development versions of the SE ROM's must exist somewhere, they may not be production ready but may work very well, at some point these hopefully will become available on the WEB via unofficial sources.
or
Has anyone managed to extract one of the new XDA IIs ROM's and tried to update a standard XDA II. OK there will be additional drivers and settings for such hardware as wireless adaptors, these will just not initialize all other hardware should work.
not just additional drivers people messed around with it and even the blue angle had a different cpu and bluetooth hardware and .......
i dont think people have been able to change in the core rom parts even on the old xda1's
windows CE is very unlike pc windows when it comes to being portable and having any other drivers then the ones it was made for :/
there were threads about tests in the old hacking it forum not sure if they got lost in the crash
think it would be a much better bet to get hold of some of those beta roms that people claimed to have been using on their xda2's
yup... need 'em beta ROMS, then re-build it so something more stable.... ..... untill (if ever) the SE arrives....
I ran across a post that claimed that this guy had his Xda II running WM2003SE which he got from official sources, but promised not to release it to anyone.
So if this is true, there must be an available upgrade for the Xda II, beta or otherwise.
maybe future rom ver. 1.80 will integrated with SE (I hope) ?
waiting the WM2003SE version....
I thought that O2 announced this ROM as the final rom?? So y r we getting r hopes up.!
...maybe they just meant final as "non beta" version...
buzz
buzz_lightyear said:
...maybe they just meant final as "non beta" version...
buzz
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Which I think they exactly meant.
It *is* "final" as "non-beta", because there clearly can be further updates from MS to Windows Mobile 2003.
I would expect the version that will have no others to follow to be called "the last", or "the last supported" for a device.
Nooop it aint happenin
Unfortunately after my long chat with IMATE I finally got the reply there will be no in any way WM2003se for us but SP3 will come with media player 10 and that is all
Quote:It *is* "final" as "non-beta", because there clearly can be further updates from MS to Windows Mobile 2003.
I read "Final" as this is the last update because we are going to conentrate on the latest phones development.
we can do it, collect the user require upgade the wm2003SE e-mail for O2!!
I just want Media Player 10... They need to come out with SP3 now!
Check this out!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=69134#69134
buzz
Hey,
I've been looking other this forum and other sites and cant find anythin of use.
Basically I'm wanting to know if there is a way to test a ROM without having to install it onto a phone/PDA.
As I've been looking at buying a new HTC QTEK 8500 (StrTrk) for my girlfriend as she's sick of her phone and wants a new one. The phone comes with WM 5.0 on but I have found a few ROMs for WM 6.1 and before I buy the phone I want to checkout the ROM to see what it'll basically be like to use the phone.
What software do I need to be able to emulate a phone to test run a ROM?
This would be useful for others as well if its a generic way as then everyone can test out a ROM and then decide if they want to flash it to their device.
Thanks alot for the help,
M_Taylor40
i don't know how useful emulating the rom would be since the experience would differ based on hardware. Most developers post what apps their rom contain so users know what their getting into before.
Yeah you are right, just my girlfriend is a bit picky about her stuff and I don't want to spend £70 on a new phone for her not to like it lol.
Just thought it would be useful tho, I'm pretty sure you would be able to do it with the Windows Mobile 6.1 SDK kit and Visual Studio just don't have a clue how lol.
M_Taylor40
I also think that with the SDK and visual studio you might get an idea although based on my very little experience with programming, the only way to know the output is testing it on the real thing. I would say that if she likes the phone originally with WM5 then you can test a WM6 or 6.1 ROM and if you don't like it then flash back to WM5. Many people (including myself) flash all the time to find the best ROM for them.
Lol, thats the thing, I aint bought the phone yet so she can only go off my Kaiser to see what WM6.1 is on there (She aint gettin as good a phone as me lol!)
She likes the look of the phone but I think she wants drivin lessons instead lol, see wot it goes for on ebay lol, was £15 I saw last night!
Thanks anyway!
M_Taylor40
Any solution?
Dear Sirs,
I think that the Mozart is a fine device.
Unfortunately, Microsoft has finally arrived with its mobile branch in the
windows world,
where there is the old saying :
"if there is a service pack 2, then you can start to work with the operating system".
So I am thinking of getting a mozart,
and let windows mobile 6.5 run on it,
until summer next year, where I expect WM 7 to be useable.
Are there any people who have done this yet,
or are you all eager to play with Windows Phone 7 and it's Bugs ?
Regards,
Soulchen
You haven't actually used it have you?
Regardless, it's an idiotic idea, if you want WM get a WM phone and upgrade to a next gen WP device next year.
using it
I am currently using WM 6.0 on a HTC device branded by T-Mobile.
"MDA Compact IV".
So I admit that I haven't used 6.5, but I think - as 6.0 is quite fine - that 6.5 sould be better than 6.0.
(if it's not, please tell me)
as Win 7 has no copy and paste, no direct syncing to outlook without the web,
and it's quite locked up,
I think, that somehow 6.5 seems a better idea for me than 7.
Regards,
Soulchen
Hallo @all,
I also would like to use WM 6.5.5 on the Mozart. Is this to be expected?
I had to take the T-Mobile Mozart (16GB) but I have a HD2 and I love this because of the Option to run ANdroid and 6.5.5 .... If this is not realistic I will sell the Mozart otherwise pherhaps the HD2
Thanks in advice
forgotten_soul said:
Dear Sirs,
I think that the Mozart is a fine device.
Unfortunately, Microsoft has finally arrived with its mobile branch in the
windows world,
where there is the old saying :
"if there is a service pack 2, then you can start to work with the operating system".
So I am thinking of getting a mozart,
and let windows mobile 6.5 run on it,
until summer next year, where I expect WM 7 to be useable.
Are there any people who have done this yet,
or are you all eager to play with Windows Phone 7 and it's Bugs ?
Regards,
Soulchen
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In every way, windows phone 7 is better than 6.5, no doubt about it.
And besides that, there is no way to install wm6.5 to the mozart, nor will anyone try to develop it, because there really is no sense in putting an crappy os like wm6.5 when you have Windows Phone 7 that is working great out of the box. And wm6.5 has no multi-touch so aint never gonna work on our SLCD screens.
If you love 6.5 and dont like wp7, whats the point in getting a mozart?
The only reason i can see in getting a mozart is :-
A) you want one.
B) you want to try wp7.
If you have a hd2 and are happy with the fine selection of roms there are then stick with it. If wp7 was out for the hd2 i would have not got the mozart as i think the hd2 is a much nicer phone. I like wp7 and the mozart but would much rather have wp7 on my hd2. wp7 still needs time to grow and the problems and bugs will start to fix so let judge it once some of the problems have been addressed, i mean when was the last time anyone can remember microsoft putting out anything that works straight out the box with no bugs or problems? We all get phones running their os and spend time here chatting rubbish about them, but we all keep flashing roms and waiting for the next big fix or tweak. If you want 6.5 on a mozart your wasting you money, get the hd2 or just get in with the rest of the robots and get an iphone.
breakbystealth said:
get the hd2 or just get in with the rest of the robots and get an iphone.
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Buy my 8 month old HTC HD2 from me then if you want 6.5.5
Just remember, the Mozart is a Windows Phone 7 only. And to consider downgrading for functionality as simple as cut and paste and tethering, well your missing the point of the new OS totally.
There are stacks of 6.5.5 models still available, as i said.. by mine!
rxsoob said:
Buy my 8 month old HTC HD2 from me then if you want 6.5.5
Just remember, the Mozart is a Windows Phone 7 only. And to consider downgrading for functionality as simple as cut and paste and tethering, well your missing the point of the new OS totally.
There are stacks of 6.5.5 models still available, as i said.. by mine!
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has he asked if your hd2 can be downgraded to 6.1, sorry could not resist.
You have to use WP7, it is fantastic, sooo much better than 6.5.
I now have a phone that works and does everything it needs to. It has shown me that a phone is not a computer, and should not be used as one. Using the cloud is so efficient for my small business, I wish I had done it sooner.
Obviously there are some things to be added, but this is to be expected for something new.
Lack of software!!!
I am not arguing about how great WP7 is... It is just great, and working just fine, but I really don't see the point of having a nice device if you can not use it's gps for navigation unless you have a flatrate with bing maps?!?!
I have tons of WM 6 apps laying around (installed on other wm6 device) and I have a very nice phone WP7 but I have to carry both of them with me if I want to navigate...
Mozarts from T-Mobile Germany come with Navigon Select pre-installed (check out the T-Mobile Windows Phone website for details). If it wasn't on your device, you can download it for free!
I bought the device without a contract, to use it with my prepaid.
So, it is not the case...
I could download Navigon only if I were a Telekom user, which I am not, so I will have to wait till the next year... perhaps some navigation software developer will make wp7 navigation (not taking navigon in account, other navigation software suppliers did not announce their will to develop for WP7)
Hi All,
I'm also disappointed from WM7 Mozart. Actually it is a very nice phone ... unless you want to do some work with it. It doesn't have copy+paste (crazy like the first iPhones ), it doesn't sync with Outlook (stupid on-line sync with MicrosoftLive costs a lot of money if you are traveling!), doesn't run the old apps (actually this was one of the biggest Microsoft advantages - the backward compatibility), lack of navigation (I'm missing quite a lot iGo and Garmin) and finally - the lack of tethering. The latest is killing me (I can live with the others but that one...) as I'm using the phone to access Internet and do my job when I have an emergency. Now I have to choose - either phone or GSM modem to access Internet. This is ridiculous.
So I'm waiting either Microsoft to have the tethering back or to have WM6.5 on Mozart. Or else - bye-bye WM7! I don't have so much money to spend just for a nice looking device which actually does ... nothing
BR
prr said:
Hi All,
I'm also disappointed from WM7 Mozart. Actually it is a very nice phone ... unless you want to do some work with it. It doesn't have copy+paste (crazy like the first iPhones ), it doesn't sync with Outlook (stupid on-line sync with MicrosoftLive costs a lot of money if you are traveling!), doesn't run the old apps (actually this was one of the biggest Microsoft advantages - the backward compatibility), lack of navigation (I'm missing quite a lot iGo and Garmin) and finally - the lack of tethering. The latest is killing me (I can live with the others but that one...) as I'm using the phone to access Internet and do my job when I have an emergency. Now I have to choose - either phone or GSM modem to access Internet. This is ridiculous.
So I'm waiting either Microsoft to have the tethering back or to have WM6.5 on Mozart. Or else - bye-bye WM7! I don't have so much money to spend just for a nice looking device which actually does ... nothing
BR
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For the love of God THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS WM7!!! It is WINDOWS PHONE 7, and is a totally different operating system.
Wm6 wm6.5 wp7
As i recently got a Mozart, i have been watching this post with interest. I can only agree the WM6 WM6.5 are sooooo different from W-PHONE 7. To down grade a Mozart to WM6.5 may work, but it would need someone with the skills and a good reason to do it.
I have used WM6 & WM6.5 on my HTC Rhodium. They both are different in layout/feel/working method, but run similar Apps. so far NONE of these run on WP7, as its a different OS.
My suggestion is keep the Mozart on WP7, and good Apps WILL follow. If you want to run WM6 or 6.5 Apps, get yourself a nice HTC Rhodium. You should get a good one on e bay or similar.
Gyuritzy said:
I bought the device without a contract, to use it with my prepaid.
So, it is not the case...
I could download Navigon only if I were a Telekom user, which I am not, so I will have to wait till the next year... perhaps some navigation software developer will make wp7 navigation (not taking navigon in account, other navigation software suppliers did not announce their will to develop for WP7)
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Well, old post, but:
You can get a T-Mo Prepaid-Sim or some of your friends/family have a T-Mo SIM,
put it in and downloading Navigon should work. After that put your usual SIM in and that's it.
I've read somewhere that this should work.
Pls can someone explain to me why 6.5 cannot be loaded on a mozart?
I got a mozart and would love 6.5 on it,7 SUCKS!my gps doesn`t work(my country not supported)Zune doesnt work(my country not supported)Cloud = not working(my country again)7 is as usefull as symbian on a nokia 3310 in south africa.
Please can someone help me to get 6.5 on my mozart.Or at least point me in the right direction.
Wp7 jailed users ... Because you can not install or create your applications without pass thru Market Place MS approval. I bought a HTC Mozart to try WP7, Its a great OS but if you can not install your developed Aplication. Your freedom is lost... Why M$ do not allow your choice ? The better thing about microsoft was the freedom, but now... When available I will downgrade to wm6.5 and wait wp7 becomes better.
andremgomes said:
Wp7 jailed users ... Because you can not install or create your applications without pass thru Market Place MS approval. I bought a HTC Mozart to try WP7, Its a great OS but if you can not install your developed Aplication. Your freedom is lost... Why M$ do not allow your choice ? The better thing about microsoft was the freedom, but now... When available I will downgrade to wm6.5 and wait wp7 becomes better.
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I would be idiot if i have this idea in even in my dream. if one wants window 6.5 then why to buy mozart its simply a not respecting the money and its value and beauty of innovation /technology. I believe people who takes the time to even read and reply this thread is like a wasting of our time.
The Question still stands: IS IT POSSIBLE to load 6.5 on a mozart?what is needed to do it?
Hi.
This is my first post on xda, and I am hoping to learn a lot whilst I am here.
I am not expecting any help here, but there has been small hype about getting android onto this phone. And I understand that you may be critical about noobs like me expecting an easy fix from you.
I appreciate that the idea makes no sense from many perspectives, this is mine.
I purchased the windows 7 phone 3 months ago, I was a complete idiot and fell for the sales pitch, the salesman promised me the earth, he said I would be able to WiFi Tether on the next update, he told me it would be better then the android evo 4 that I wanted.
As you are probably aware, I am a complete fool. I have however spent many hours on the phone with a certain mobile phone outlett, and my provider, neither will help. And I am stuck with the phone till 2013.
The phone's buyback price has gone down to 1/3rd what it was on the day I bought the phone.
I have now made it my mission to get this phone to run android. I feel so strongly I may even remove the windows logo from the bottom of my touch-screen.
I have already researched some, and expect days more research before I'll be able to do, whatever it is I need to do.
I am and will be keeping a log, of all my research, and hopefully can use what I learn to help people out later on.
So....
Any comments, or questions or support?
CleverNoob
I have picked up a few things. And therefore want to clarify,
I don't want to dual boot the 2 OS's, I want to REMOVE windows 7 and replace it with Android.
From what I gather this means I need to develop an android ROM to work with the mozart, and then Flash it to the phone...?
So my logical mind tells me to look for the android ROM that works on the most similar spec phone.
I am however aware that the firmware or something is different in the mozart, from the HD7 and does not allow for certain android commands to work, therefore the ROM (gingerbread?) used on the HD7 will not be remotely compatible with the HD7?
It seems that there may be a few options for the actual flashing of the ROM already available... So I am going to concentrate on learning more about ROM development now.
If anyone wants to correct me, point me in the right direction, or hurl abuse at me... feel free to do so
I do not know all that much about ROM development.
What about drivers though? Sure it is fine for the chipset as there are Android devices with the same chipset (CPU and GPU)... Although the WiFi, bluetooth, radio etc. I guess it's built into the SoC?
Drivers for the screen, capacitive buttons, camera etc?
I think if you look around, you should be able to find a phone similar to htc mozart and the name which comes to my mind is Nexus one and htc desire...
Although it depends on you that you extract drivers from the OS of both of those android based phones then extract drivers from your mozart and compare if they have same chipset....
I really wonder if it's possible to do all this virtually instead of physically installing OSes on phones for development purposes.
You didnt give up did ya mate!
All of the Australia Telstra Community who got Conned into buying the Mozart over an iPhone due to This Service Provider not having a Contract with Apple are 'root'ing for your Success
just checking if i got it right...
you want android in the mozart just to enable wifi tethering.
well, FYI, its been done and done bro, just unlock your device and install any of the excellent custom ROMs here. my notebook is tethered to my mozart right now.
but if you want to further explore the capabilities of the hardware, no worries- many good samaritans are already doing that. explore the development forums here and thy shall learn!
take care!
Tethering is working now, even with Telstra and no unlocking (7720).
This is my first post too! I was about to post something like yours. I have an HTC Mozart too and I want to install an Android ROM on it though my reasons are different.
As a software developer I have no experience about ROM development but I'm very interested.
So what did you do until now? Any success?