Does anyone have the Orange UK rom ?
Not the : HER_ORRO_123702_1060400_WWE_SHIP.exe
I have a UK preproduction unit and need the rom for this device.
Thanks,
P
What's the problem with your prepro version? older bootloader and not flashing from sd-card?
PrePro TyTn
I updated it with a Imat rom.. no problem (it's a unlocked PDA).
A couple of weeks later i was updating it with the HTC rom and my laptop went in standby mode during the update
Now my pda starts up in de bootloader screen (1.06).
No reset option will work, mtty1[1].42.exe (set 14 0) does not work eighter.
If it try to update it again it gives a "Vendor ID error".
It's a Orange UK device, and it think i need the Orange UK rom.
I tried HER_ORRO_123702_1060400_WWE_SHIP.exe...no succes.
It's the only Orange Rom i can find.
Need some help... can't use the PDA anymore
Thanks for your help..
Pim
If it's a preproduction device it should be SuperCID, but I guess your CID got corrupted during the bad flash, so no Orange upgrade will fix it. Too bad you flashed a rom with bootloader 1.06
Can you attach a usb monitor capture of the flashing process until you get the invalid vender id to confrm that?
I saved the Basic and Complete capture
Yes, it was what I said: your CID is corrupted. Bootloader 1.06 enforces CID checking and yours won't match any ROMs CID, it's just junk characters.
There are many of you with this same problem (search the upgrading forum), I hope someone comes with a fix for this soon...
ok, thx for the help.
indeed i really hope someone has a fix soon....
where to get UK Rom
Is there any way to get the UK Orange Rom anyway?
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hello I´ve recover my m3100 from a dead brick (after used of universal sim lock) to full working phone
Her is my way
1. I´ve first try flashing a windows mobil 5 rom from my qtek 2020 on the m3100 for 2-3 times
2. then I´ve flas it with the new rom from Cingular ther are using bootloader 1,06..... and IT COME BACK ALIVE....
and if you have a HTC HERMES Then you just find a rom with you phons cid her
"http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Upgrades"
BUT REMEMBER IF YOU HAVE A ORANGE M3100 YOU CAN´T FLASH OTHER ROMS
BECAUST YOU HAVE TO USED A ORANGE CID ROM AND IS´T NOT OUT YET..
Good to hear That your device Is up now Congrat's , Wht if it's possible with human being
Why u've instal qtek 2020 on this hermes ?
I´ve just wanted to try somthing after 30 days looking at a £450 brick
@kimbay:
I have some questions for you, in order to understand how you fixed it and provide a "solution" for the others:
1) About the Qtek2020 flashing:
- Did the Himalaya flashing process did anything on the hermes?
- Where did the Himalaya flashing process stopped?
- What did you see on the Hermes screen?
- What error did you see on the Himalaya upgrade utility?
- Which rom did you exactly use? (post the ftp link of it please)
2) About your M3100
- Which CID does your hermes have? If it's a M3100 from UK, i guess it is ORANG001, right?
- Which ROM, radio rom and bootloader version did you have on your device when you fixed the problem?
If there's anything else I am missing and you think can be useful, please post it too...
Yes, please fill us in because I'm sitting on a brick'd TyTN
congrads on bringing it back to life
Moreover - does this imply any hope for those of us with Orange SPV M3100s that are stuck on the latest Cingular ROM with no Orange updater?
Hi POF
I do not know what the flash didt to my hermes but it seems on usb monitor like it slowly after trying to flash the old 2020 rom 2-3 times went further and further in to the program. the screen turn silver and read USB like on the 2020. Every time it just stop (frozz).
Then I just try the new cirguler rom.
yes my m3100 is a orange001 cid -bootloader 1,04
I don´t know what the original rom was I think it was on off the first orange releast I got it 20/7-2006
(Do you whant me to upload the zip file containing my windows 5 mobile ?)
P.S. now my problem is that I can´t unlock the phone because imei-unlock do not suport bootload 1,06
regards
kim
Izzard-UK said:
Moreover - does this imply any hope for those of us with Orange SPV M3100s that are stuck on the latest Cingular ROM with no Orange updater?
not for the moment I´am also stuck on cingular rom
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kimbay said:
I do not know what the flash didt to my hermes but it seems on usb monitor like it slowly after trying to flash the old 2020 rom 2-3 times went further and further in to the program. the screen turn silver and read USB like on the 2020. Every time it just stop (frozz).
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OK, but which rom did you exactly use? (post the ftp link of it please)
ftp://xda:[email protected]/Himalaya/
kimbay said:
I don´t know what the original rom was I think it was on off the first orange releast I got it 20/7-2006
(Do you whant me to upload the zip file containing my windows 5 mobile ?)
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It's ok, it was original rom from M3100... no problem, no need to upload anything.
If you have dead Hermes try to flash with Hermes_1.18.416.1_1.18.416.101_1.14.00.10_WWE_Ship.exe For me - it`s work.Regards
SPV M3100 Freez
Hello
I have A SPV M3100 anyoane write same ... for unlock and new freez in "Windows mobile"
when i put in 3 color and i see:
"Herm100
IPL-1.01
Herm100
SPL-1.04"
And when is in 3 color and connect to PC ActivSync get error cannot recognize this device
Japanese ROM from DoCoMo hTc Z has been uploaded to XDA-Developers FTP and added to the Hermes wiki, you can find it under the Available Original Shipped ROM Versions.
Notes on this ROM:
ROM Version: 1.23.731.2 06/24/06
Radio Version: 1.06.00.10
Bootloader: 1.04
Language: JPN (Japanese)
CID: DOCOM801
As you can see this is nothing new, but I guess it will be useful for people with this CID to be able to downgrade to bootloader 1.04.
Enjoy
Hi pof,
Thanks for that. I tried this to flash my X01HT after unlocking it with imei-check but with no luck. RUU went successufully till the last screen and I hit the upgrade but it returned an error saying something like this RUU cannot be used for the device. Bootloader is now 1.04 and the device should be SuperCID with imei-check. The only thing I can think of is that I upgraded the radio to your 1.2. Would that screw SuperCID? I appreciate your advice in advance.
Thanks,
harryk
harryk1372: If you are in 1.04 bootloader just run the upgrade utility again without disconnecting the device or start the upgrade in bootloader mode to bypass CID checking.
If it is really SuperCID then you shouldn't have seen this error.
Hi pof,
Thanks very much for getting back to me so quickly.
I ran the upgrade in the bootloader mode. I thought that I don't have to run it twice if the device is already at the SuperCID state and didn't run the update twice. I'll try it again when the device is fully charged as the battery is now down to like 30%.
I'll post the result again when I am done. Thanks again for your prompt advice. You're the man and I really appreciate your efforts taking us thus far in cracking Hermes.
Regards,
harryk
Hi pof,
The device looks like it was not in the SuperCID state and RUU went fine with the second run with no error. However, the upgrade failed when it hit exactly 47% no matter how many times I tried it. Lucky that I did not brick my device but of course it seemed to lack some of the components and it did not even have the Connections setting to set up the Internet access. Also, AutoRun and cabs in the ExtRom didn't take any effect either although the cab files were there.
I decided to flash the TyTN ROM instead and that was successful. That is fine as I only use Japanese occasionally and I didn't really want the Japanese MUI so I will keep it as is. Perhaps I will tweak it a little to be able to use Japanese with loading the Chinese nls, Japanese font, Japanese IME and so forth just like I did with my Universal.
Thanks again.
harryk
Does anyone succeed in flushing Docomo ROM to X01HT?
After unlocking my X01HT,
the annoying message http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282073&p=1048193
appears again and again, even if I use SB_USIM.
Especially when I write SMS message, it will disturb me over and over.
I try to flush the Docomo ROM to my X01HT and hope to receive your help.
s2k7 said:
Does anyone succeed in flushing Docomo ROM to X01HT?
After unlocking my X01HT,
the annoying message http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282073&p=1048193
appears again and again, even if I use SB_USIM.
Especially when I write SMS message, it will disturb me over and over.
I try to flush the Docomo ROM to my X01HT and hope to receive your help.
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fyi...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=283177&page=2&highlight=qtotter
I always downgrade my JASJAM using I-Mate shipped ROM
s2k7 said:
Does anyone succeed in flushing Docomo ROM to X01HT?
After unlocking my X01HT,
the annoying message http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282073&p=1048193
appears again and again, even if I use SB_USIM.
Especially when I write SMS message, it will disturb me over and over.
I try to flush the Docomo ROM to my X01HT and hope to receive your help.
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i use the docomo rom on my x01ht. it's ok. i have no problem with it at all.
a friend of mine uses a sim-unlocked x01ht (/w the original s/b rom) with sb_usim, but she does not get such a msg at all. do you use a s/b sim?? if yes, i suppsoe you did something wrong...
X01HT Unlocking Problem
I've got this X01HT a few days ago from S/B shop but when I tried unlocking it the result was no good using my cable. I read from other site that X01HT released from December 2006 cannot be unlocked. Please give me some clarifications on this and also, is FLASHING on lower rom version even in english version can resolve the problem...? Your response will so much appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
At the moment it's not possible to unlock X01HT devices wich where bought after 12/1/2006 and have bootloader version 1.09 and RadioROM version 1.14.0.10! Please be patient.
To the experts, I need some advice. I intend to get a X01HT, already unlocked and flashed with the dopod 838 pro firmware. However, I intend to flash back the Japanese shipped rom :
RUU_HER_DoCoMo_1.23.731.2_1.06.00.10_JPN_SHIP.zip
What are the requirements esp where :
Bootloader (SPL)
Latest Radio Bootloader (HTC_BOOT)
Or since its unlocked, do I just go to the bootloader mode and flash direct? Any side effects if I do so, since its changing from an english rom of another clone (Dopod 838 pro, WM6)?
I am not even sure if the RUU_HER_DoCoMo_1.23.731.2_1.06.00.10_JPN_SHIP.zip rom is WM5/6. Please advice, thanks..
Hi
Im hopeing someone can help me I know this issue has probably been discussed loads of times and im a muppet for doing it, I was looking at different ROM's for my Orange M3100 and thought I would go for the IMATE JASJAM ROM so I could get MSN messenger .... I unfortunatly selected the TELSTRA 1.06 Bootloader ROM and downloaded instead of the 1.04 ( I should have read the posts on this ROM before!). Now I am stuck in bootloader 1.06 and as I have read the only way to get back to 1.04 is to flash with a ROM that is the same as my carrier (Orange UK).... the only Orange ROM is the Romanian one thats just been put on the WIKI, I have tried with this but its coming up Vendor ID error... if anyone can help or tell me how I can go back to 1.04 id be grateful? if not do I just have to wait until orange UK bring out a ROM with bootloader 1.06 ????
Thanks a lot ! James UK
Same problem with Cingular bootloader 1.06
I've the same problem with Cingular 1.34 bootloader 1.06, I try to downgrade with same bios CID (CWS__001 as I read on this forum) to bootloader 1.06 but I receive an error "WRONG VENDER ID" (also if i leave connected my PDA and I restart RUU utility it give me the same error)
I've also tried to install another vendor bios with bootloader 1.06 as suggested but I receive the same error message!!!
Emanuele
Unfortunately, you're stuck unless you either a) wait for a bootloader for your CID or b) pay the $38 to do the super-CID unlock. There's a thread on that stickied, so if you decide to do it, help them out by doing the usb capture.
Thanks... I have already unlocked the device with IMEI-Check.co.uk do you mean this? If I have unlocked it then do you think I should run IMEI check again on the device and it may unlock the CID ? cheers, James
If you run the imei tool again (with the latest version of theire software) it will reverse your bootloader to 1.04 and make your device super CID
Hi,
I did the popular mistake, tried to unlock with Universal Unlocker , thinking that this is the staff to unlock all the HTC phones.
Ok. What I have now:
NO GSM - we know that
Tried to install radio roms from here, nothing. I got the information about "Checking the information...." and it is hanging like this.
I made reser and HARD RESET aswell.
I tried to install a lot. Nothing helped.
I had radio ver. 1.05.... I remember that. I have my phone from T-Mobile from UK. I had everything nice, now I have four stripes - RED GREEN BLUE and WHITE and ther is written:
HERM300
IPL-1.01
HERM300
SPL-1.04
Can anybody help me ? I tried to download mtty.exe and put all the commands (not PASTE and it still not working.
Now is 6am in Lisbon. I was sitting all that night and I am finishing writting this post.
Help if you can, regards.
Ben
Have a look on this topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=280733
It did not help. Where I can get this Qtek rom ? Is that OK for my device ? I have VARIO II from T-Mobile.
I woul like to try instal this - DUMPED English ROM from TMobile Vario II from here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_DumpedRoms
but i dont now how. There are 3 .raw files, how to put them to my phone ?
That solution didnt help: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=280733
What else I can do ? I was trying with QTEK rom and a got white screen on the phone and 0% on the computer. It was hanging. I tried 5 times. Then I tried to install the Radio Rom from here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_ExtractedRadioRoms
I choosed all of them. Nothing. All of them are hanging on:
Chencking the information on your device... Please wait..
Then there is a screen to update. After long time. So when I press the button is still the same info. Checking the information on your device... Please wait..
And its hanging. When I reset to bootloader again the soft telling me:
This ROM Upgrade Utility does not design for your device.
Please get probper ROM Upgrade Utility and try again!
Where can I get the radio version 1.05 for T-Mobile Vario II ???????????
Is there possibility to download from somewhere ?
Or maybe I should try other solution ?
Read "problem 5" here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_UpgradeProblems
Yes, I was tying point 5 few times. The problem is, I can connect through mtty.exe without any problems, but after soft reset, I am pressing POWER and OK button and going to bootloader mode again, and when I am trying to flash the extracted radio ROM (i tried all of them = 4) and there is a problem. nothing is working. I am waiting and waiting, and there is only info: Checking your device information or something like that. What can I do ? Sorry for my English guys.
Instead of flashing an extracted radio image try to flash a normal shipped rom (if possible matching your cid). Capture the process using usb monitor to see where exactly it fails and which error you get.
Where can I download
pof said:
normal shipped rom (if possible matching my cid).
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?
I had RADIO 1.05 , that I remember, and have a phone from T-Mobile - MDA Vario II.
Benone said:
Where can I download ?
I had RADIO 1.05 , that I remember, and have a phone from T-Mobile - MDA Vario II.
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No rom matching your cid is available then, use the TyTN 1.18 rom.
pof said:
No rom matching your cid is available then, use the TyTN 1.18 rom.
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I tried that ROM 2 times, once I plugged with holding camera button and second time without. I made monitor of QTEK rom aswell, because its the one which is changing phone screen from red green blue stripes to completly white. But nothing else is doin...
A attaching logs in zip file below. I have 3 files from each session, I dont know which are correct, 2 of them i saved and 1 is exported.
What do you think ?
I used USB-monitor from http://www.hhdsoftware.com/
very weird... usb seems not working but for what you say bootloader seems to be ok. Are you sure this was after patching the radio with universal unlocker? it seems totally a different problem :-$
I guess you'll have to wait until t-mob releases a ROM matching your CID and then flash it using the hermimg.nbh sd-card flashing method.
You can also try to connect to it via serial, I have no experience on that, but a search on these forums might tell you how...
keep us updated
How long I have to wait ?
Should I go to T-Mobile when I will be back to Scotland and tell them what I did or what ? Did I lose my warranty ? Do you know approximately how much they will charge me for flashing my phone ?
Do I really have no chances to repair it by myself ?
Benone said:
How long I have to wait ?
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Until t-mobile releases a rom with your cid... it can be today or next year, I don't know.
Benone said:
Should I go to T-Mobile when I will be back to Scotland and tell them what I did or what ? Did I lose my warranty ? Do you know approximately how much they will charge me for flashing my phone ?
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I don't think you lost the warranty. They usually charge about 100 eur for flashing it back in the service centre. They do it by inserting a diagnostics sd card, but we don't have it for the Hermes
Benone said:
Do I really have no chances to repair it by myself ?
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You can try flashing over serial port, and you can try sd-card flashing, but for sd-card flashing you need a rom matching your CID first.
Eureka!!!
Finally I made my device working again!
And I dont have simlock !
After trying everything.... ufffff.
THX !!!!!!
1) I downloaded ftp://xda:[email protected]/Hermes/Tools_and_Programs/HTC_Hermes_SIM_Unlock_v1.zip
2) Reset my phone in bootloader mode.
3) Plug USB cable.
4) Run HTC_Hermes_SIM_Unlock_v1.
5) After 20 min. my phone said ELO to meeeee He did not have simlock when was saying that.
YE YE YE
That was simple. If you have any Hermes radio problem, try that first - HTC_Hermes_SIM_Unlock_v1.
Will be more often here, forum seems to be really interesting.
YO!
Yipie
Glad it worked
Hi,
I recently had a power cut (yes, a lights off power cut!) that killed my PC half wat through installing the Cingular English CWS__001 1.34.502.1 09/21/06 ?? 1.16.00.00 32.53.7018.01H 14955.2.3.0 ROM onto my SPV 3100.
Now SPV 3100 will boot to the ROM I was running prior to the upgrade but I can't use the telephone. I'm also not able to rerun the upgrade as it got far enough through the process to upgrade my bootloader to 1.06 - therefor rendering me unable to load another ROM.
Before the crash I was using the Imate ROM as below and M3100 was sim unlocked and running on o2 3G
i-mate English CDL__001 1.20.305.3 07/21/06 1.20.305.104 1.07.03.10 32.41.7010.02H 14955.2.3.0 1.04
Please help.
Thanks
If your device is still working ok as a PDA then hopefully it just screwed up the radio update of your device.
Try reflashing the Radio only
Look Here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_ExtractedRadioRoms
Post back with results
Regards
S.K
EDIT: Sorry only works on 1.04 bootloader only. Afraid your gonna have to wait for Pof to come up with a 1.06-1.04 workaround
Hi S.K,
Thanks for the info. I have now tried installing the HERM_1.20.31.10_type2_radio_fixed upgrade but unfortunately the radio upgarde crashes also. It all seams to go well, (after using MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe twice) the phone says "Upgrade Radio Stack Please wait" and the progress bar appears on the PC but then after 10 mins I get an ERROR 114: RADIO ROM UPDATE ERROR.
Do you think this might be becuase the last upgarde partly installed bootloader 1.06?
Any other suggestions - I'm desperate to get the hpone on M3100 working again.
Thanks
Read here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_UpgradeProblems
Please post USB monitor capture, otherwise can't help u.
Hi Pof,
Thanks for the offer, I will sort out the usb software on Monday. Are there specific actions that I should try, obvioosly I will usb monior everthing I do but I want to keep it to the point and not waist yr time trailing through huge log files.
Cheers
BTW - I have tried all options of recovery, such as attempting to install the latest radio and trying to install the new rom from an sd card, trying several roms and using imei unlocker - all without any joy.
I think the problem is that I have partially installed radio and bootloader 1.06 so I can't fix the problem.
Thanks again.
@wotthefok:
For me is faster to look at the usb log file, then I exactly know why the upgrade fails, otherwise I have to decode it from your feedback and I can't be really sure. Check the "upgrading problems" page on the wiki, if none of the steps there seems to fix your problem, post USB monitor log please.
Log Files as requested
Hi,
I have captured information using usb monitor and attached the zipped log files for your attention.
The first is called USB_monitor_log_Herm_120Radio_twice. This log details attempting to install the HERM_1.20.31.10_type2_radio_fixed upgrade, and running it twice - just in case.
The USB_monitor_log_runing_Cingular_1.34.502_11_uprgrade_twice.zip details attempting to install the RUU_HER_Cingular_1.34.502.1_1.16.00.00_wwe_cws_ship upgrade, simply using the standard ROMUpgradeUt.exe method. This generates the expected Vendor ID error.
My primary focus is to install the radio upgare or download my bootloader to 1.04. The PDA part of my m3100 does now freeze occasionally but at least functions whereas the phone is completely dead.
Thanks in advance.
Please attach capture in *ANSI TEXT FORMAT*, the .lgs file you zipped is totally unuseful
Edit -> Export and Save as type "ANSI Text files".
Also make sure you export in "COMPLETE" view, see the wiki for more details.
OK, Spot the novice.... I have now created a txt log file that captures activity of me running the 120 Radio upgarde - but only once this time. I still had to zip the file due to it's size. Hope this is OK.
I'll send the other logs within the next couple of hours. Please let me know if the output I have sent so far is acceptable?
Thanks
wotthefok said:
Please let me know if the output I have sent so far is acceptable?
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No, it's a "basic" capture, you have to export a "complete" capture:
Start USBMonitor.
File -> New session -> USB Monitor -> Select USB device where your phone is connected -> Check "request view" -> Finish
In the upper part there are two tabs: basic and complete. Click on "Complete".
Right, Try again (duh!) OK, I've tried to keep the log files names as self-explanitory as possible... USB_monitor_log_Herm_120Radio_run1.zip is the r20 radio upgrade, 1st run and USB_monitor_log_Herm_120Radio_run2.zip the second run - without disconneting or resetting the device.
USB_monitor_log_runing_Cingular_1.34.502_11_uprgrade_ran_twice.zip is the Cingular upgrade run via the ROMUpgradeUt.exe, again run twice without disconneting the device.
Hope I got it right this time.....Please let me know if there is anything else I can do.
Thanks.
This time you got the captures right
- You're on bootloader 1.06: You don't have 'rtask' command, you won't be able to do any radio upgrade only.
- Your device is not CID unlocked (Security level=FF, unprivileged)
- The bad flash caused the CID area to corrupt (CID: Wait interpreter timeout)
- When flashing a full ROM you get a CID not allow (255) this is because your corrupted CID doesn't match the CID on the ROM.
The radio part is screwed, you could have fixed this if you where in bootloader 1.04 by flashing a full ROM, but as you are in 1.06 you can't because of CID checking. But you're lucky because the OS ROM is intact and you can boot the OS, you should be able to downgrade to bootloader 1.04 from OS and flash a full ROM after, which will hopefully fix your radio.
Just wait until a solution to downgrade bootloader is available (I'm working on it).
Hi,
As I suspected.... Suppose it's not all bad news though - just means that I have to be patient and use my communicator once more. Do you know if the guys at IMEI-CHECK have a downgrade solution? Even if it's a pay for option??
I have already got a IMEI-CHECK sim unlock from where I originally got the M3100 unlocked from Orange to work on o2. That said, I have run either unlocker 2 or 3 with the .unl that I know worked I now get
HTC HERMES v3c unlock
Starting communication.........
Checking device..............ERROR
The device you try to unlock is not supported.
Please contact your supplier site.
Device is rebooting
Press any key to quit this application.
I'm currently chatting to the guys at IMEI-CHECK re this problem.
Anything else I can do to assist you in anyway??
Cheers
wotthefok said:
Do you know if the guys at IMEI-CHECK have a downgrade solution? Even if it's a pay for option??
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They have it (M3100v3cUnlock.exe), but it will not work on your device because your IMEI is corrupted and their unlocker will not be able to read it and to check/compare with the .unl key file.
Hi,
Just a quick update. The guys at MIGsofT LTD have VERY VERY generously said they'll have a look at the problem for me so my phone will be winging it's way to them today.
Thanks for your assistance and helping me be certain of the problem and to better understand the root cause.
Hope this information will prove useful to others.
Another quick update...
The guys at IMEI-CHECK (MIGsofT LTD) have rectified problems with my handset and managing to reinstall bootloader 1.04 in the process!!
They also turned my phone around in under three days and only charged me the cost of postage! I had previously been a customer of theirs but it was still a very generous and helpful offer and I would certainly pay for the service than have a duff handset - after all £250 + for a paperweight is rather excessive....
If you're experiencing a problem like mine why not get in touch with them and offer them money to have a look at your handset? No Guarantees but it seemed like my last chance, for a while anyway.
Praise to IMEI-CHECK for a brilliant service - they are King of the day !!