First, thank you again for this wonderful forum!
This is my problem:
I bought my X01HT AFTER Dec.2nd, to be precise on Dec.4th. Late afternoon I noticed it has dead pixel & considered returning it to the store and trying to ask for replacement...
I checked my X01HT version and it was the following:
ROM ver: 1.33.761.3
ROM date: 09/08/06
Radio ver: 1.14.00.10
Protocol: 32.50.7018.00H
Bootloader: IPL-1.01 SPL-1.06
Seems that I was lucky, and my ROM & boot loader was pre-Dec.2nd...
I didn't want to flash or tamper anything with my phone, since I really disliked this dead pixel, and was thinking about returning the phone. I went to SoftBank shop Dec. 5th and asked if it is possible to get replacement... Very bad mistake indeed!
There were no more X01HT available as replacements, as they were all sold out. Seems that I had bought very last one. They said they will look into this dead pixel issue and took my phone and said they need to 'send it to maker'. They gave some other phone as a replacement and said they will contact me next week...
So it happened, I waited (impatiently), and today they called... I went there all thrilled, and they finally gave me my phone back.
DAMN SoftBank! HATE THEM HATE THEM HATE THEM! (Sorry, I'm just human)
1. Dead pixel WAS STILL THERE... They said 'the maker' would not replace screens for just one dead pixel...
2. THEY UPDATED MY ROM with post Dec.2nd version!!! Now I'm the proud owner of the infamous unlockable phone! Here's version info:
ROM ver: 1.33.761.4
ROM date: 11/10/06
Radio ver: 1.14.00.10
Protocol: 32.50.7018.00H
Bootloader: IPL-1.01 SPL-1.09
I am just outrageous. I feel soooo stupid and bad. I should have known they could do this to me. Is it Friday 13th today or something?
Anyway, I have certain experience concerning flashing phones / PDAs, but now I'm not sure what to do!?! I really need SIM & CID unlocked phone.
I know people reported at this forum that new X01HT could not be SIM & CID unlocked because radio flash is not possible, because it seems to be read only... How come is it read-only, radio version is the same 1.14.00.10, and the only change is in ROM version (1.33.761.3 vs. 1.33.761.4) and of course bootloader is 1.09?
I am eager to start experimenting, try downgrading bootloader, flashing other ROMs, flashing only radio, or whatever... I just need some advice from more experienced users about what should be best thing to do (other than just sitting here and enjoying plain hate & disappointment). I was thinking of doing the same thing as julianfong done in this thread...
@Pof? Others? Any idea?
Or I should just wait patiently for some new solution of this issue, and use my (very limited) phone as most of the average users?
Thanks & sorry for this very long post...
yeah, just how unlockable is it? i mean... I am all too familiar with the new SE and Sharp DB2020 phones, but these are completely different.
is it unlockable because there is just no solution at the moment (a solution could be fairly soon)?
or, is it unlockable because 1.09 has DB2020-similar style of impossible to be cracked encryption...?
are the 1.09 models most likely permanently unlockable or what?
Seems that the ROM is somehow read-only, and nobody knows how to avoid this problem so far. Seems that it is possible to downgrade bootloader to 1.04 with some ugly tricks...
i read downgrade is possible using downgrade_spl file (i found one but it is dated July 2005).
but i also read that even with downgraded bootloader, the radio section is not changeable. is this the first time that there has been a device with this read-only problem?
Seems so... And it's here, on my table.
That certainly is a *****...Any ideas what falls under warranty for your phone?
Maybe there is a way to get it changed for a different reason. So at least you
could get rid of the dead pixel.
Also it might be worth shopping around. Possibly some other stores might still have the previous version, there are 1000`s of stores. if you hassle them enough, you might succeed.
Get it changed for other reasons?!? Maybe I should drop it down from my window and ask for a warranty... I really have no idea what to do, warranty and other stuff is all in Japanese, and I'm not really able to read them... I was reding Cingular's manual and there they said that they will not replace the phone if there is only one dead pixel... It's probbably in the japanese warranty as well... I wonder why did they took my phone at all that day?!?
I already checked more than 20 stores before I bought it! I was so happy when I had finally found it, but now, who knows...
Pixel dead or not, it's even more important for me if this phone is going to become unlockable or not at some point...
question is...since they didnt replace it, why did they do a rom upgrade?
They must have been bored.
I find it disappointing that a company wouldnt replace a display with a dead pixel, especially since it is a QVGA screen, where a bright pixel is way more bothering than on a 17" or 19" TFT. So maybe it might be worth dropping (if covered by warranty)
Basically for now, you might not be able to upgrade/unlock your phone.
But it might be just a matter of time since someone here (or elsewhere) comes up with a solution. If you still need to get the phone UI to display english, Asukal is currently working on a MUI upgrade for WM 5.
This way you can at least have english.
These are the questions that I asked to myself too many times... I'm usualy an lucky person, but this was very strange... The thing is that I am not able to read the warranty because it japanese (way too complicated japanese for me...). If there is someone who would like to read this warranty in details and check what rights do we, X01HT users have, please...
Until than, I'm waiting for solution... I know about Asukal's work, I'm eager to to try it too, even if I can manage ok with Japanese interface for now... What I really lack is the ability to unlock it (since I would like to use this phone when I travel back home, from time to time...)
Zgembo said:
These are the questions that I asked to myself too many times... I'm usualy an lucky person, but this was very strange... The thing is that I am not able to read the warranty because it japanese (way too complicated japanese for me...). If there is someone who would like to read this warranty in details and check what rights do we, X01HT users have, please...
Until than, I'm waiting for solution... I know about Asukal's work, I'm eager to to try it too, even if I can manage ok with Japanese interface for now... What I really lack is the ability to unlock it (since I would like to use this phone when I travel back home, from time to time...)
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Im gonna get my wife to translate the warranty. I thought of the warranty procedure if you stuff up a rom upgrade. But i think they will flash your old phone again, and not replace it with a different one. Im not sure about that, maybe someone can fill you in on that.
I never had to get warranty for any of my phones, which is surprising, since i had 6 PDA phones.
You can also buy yourself an older version on yahoo auctions for around 45 000yen. then sell your at the same place...since its new, you might break even, but have the 1.06 bootloader
Thanks for good news! If you get it translated please write some summary here...
Basically, they dont cover anything...lol
If you drop it, water it, earthquake, dust, modify, sit on, step on, thunderstorm, missing details in warranty card (which is not filled out at all in my case...thanks SB), connect via USB and it breaks, all this is basically not covered by warranty... According to the warranty card included.
I dont know what warranty is for if major every day occurances are not covered.
ugly...
ugly indeed!
aquasesh said:
Basically, they dont cover anything...lol
If you drop it, water it, earthquake, dust, modify, sit on, step on, thunderstorm, missing details in warranty card (which is not filled out at all in my case...thanks SB), connect via USB and it breaks, all this is basically not covered by warranty... According to the warranty card included.
I dont know what warranty is for if major every day occurances are not covered.
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The warranty covers manufacturing defects or breakage not normally expected by normal wear and tear only. Any actions by the user (dropping, sitting on, bricking, etc.) are not covered. Another poster on the forum had was refused warranty service because Softbank / HTC discovered that the user had flashed the ROM. One dead pixel is not a warrantable repair. If you want the old 1.06 ROM, you had better buy one on Yahoo Auction and sell your old phone. You should also mention the dead pixel. Under Yahoo Auction and Japanese mail order/online and secondhand trading law, buyers are well within their right to return a product if all of the conditions and defects are not noted before the purchase. The market is causing prices of 1.06 ROMs to be worth more than 1.09 ROMs, and a dead pixel will probably knock another 3000yen or so off the price, so you should expect to make a loss on this trade.
if you want to break it and try to get warranty on it .. i would suggest you microwave it ;-)
Not too long just a 1-3 sec's with it wrapped in a dry cloth and the unit turned on - It will cause some really strange faults
Disclaimer:- Do at your own Risk ..
Rob
How about doing some evil chanting and ritual sacrifice dance around my phone, and then pour some blood into my USB port? Would that be covered by warranty?
Maybe .. depends on the chants ...
Rob
what about wazz on the keypad from watching AV while in Japanese 410 at my University?
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Well, i ****ed up my phone.
Trying to bring it back alive failed, so I'm going to bring it
back to T-Mobile.
Does someone know a very good lie I can tell them, so I don't have to pay for the repair.
When i try to start my phone, i see a HTC splashscreen, and thats it. Normally it start with a T-Mobile splashscreen. Can they see i tried flashing my phone, or is that an assumption they make.
CCRDude said:
I don't think using bold letters and the clear word "lie" will help you a lot... you just highlight that you ask for illegal help
Maybe you should take a look at the bricked-devices topic for a chance to revive it?
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I have spent the last 3 days 30 hours orso fixing my phone. Revive is something my dead baby won't do.
vayip said:
I have spent the last 3 days 30 hours orso fixing my phone. Revive is something my dead baby won't do.
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enter the bootloader; try to flash a regular update from your provider to it.
vayip said:
Well, i ****ed up my phone.
Trying to bring it back alive failed, so I'm going to bring it
back to T-Mobile.
Does someone know a very good lie I can tell them, so I don't have to pay for the repair.
When i try to start my phone, i see a HTC splashscreen, and thats it. Normally it start with a T-Mobile splashscreen. Can they see i tried flashing my phone, or is that an assumption they make.
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I did the same with my Vodafone (UK). I just told them I'd hard reset and this is all I can see on the screen (don't get stroppy etc).
Mine will be back Tuesday, warranty repaired.
Vod UK use an outside repair centre so will probably be the same as T-Mobile if you are in UK. Mine needed a new motherboard, but there is a bit of a shortage in the UK (too many bricks???). I guess it depends on the outside service centre contract whether they charge you or T-mobile (and maybe also because I had warranty and Insurance)..
Just go in and plead ignorance, but if they want to charge you, ultimately it was you that ****ed it and not them
Toast it in the microwave for 5 seconds!
boz said:
Toast it in the microwave for 5 seconds!
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That's a new one - when car radio codes first came out they always said to put them in the freezer then stroke the chips legs to erase the cmos... never worked for me, but I'd probably get away with the microwave thing with 3 kids at home!!!
@ Olipro
If you mean the SD-card flashing, T-Mobile Holland doesn't have an update available. There is an T-Mobile Holland ROM available, but the image is older than the image installed on my phone. When checking the ROM in the white screen, it says not allow. I think i need ROM 1.21.114.3 from T-Mobile if I want to do the SD-card flash.
I only have access to the bootloader, I have bootloader 1.04, and I have access to KITL mode, but the Windows CE Platform Builder fix also doesn't work
@ ach2
I was thinking also something like that. That I hard reset my phone and now it's broke. I was also thinking something like I left my phone on the charger for the weekend, and when I came back I did a soft reset because it wouldn't go on and know I only see a HTC splash screen.
vayip said:
When i try to start my phone, i see a HTC splashscreen, and thats it. Normally it start with a T-Mobile splashscreen. Can they see i tried flashing my phone, or is that an assumption they make.
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Can you think of a good reason whey the boot screen has changed from the normal T-Mobile one... just hope they don't turn on the phone. Did you try Olipro's suggestion?
@ Wam7
The T-Mobile splash screen is in the extended ROM. If the extended ROM is ****ed up like mine is, it probably goes back to its embedded splash screen, and that's the one from HTC. But thats not what I'm going to say, I'm going to say how should I know.
If I remember correctly a guy has managed to dump the ROM from a Hermes and flash it to the phone... saw a thread somewhere here. If that's the case then you should just need a ROM from a fellow dutch T-Mobile owner with the newer ROM. I take it your phone is not SuperCID
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@ Olipro
If you mean the SD-card flashing, T-Mobile Holland doesn't have an update available. There is an T-Mobile Holland ROM available, but the image is older than the image installed on my phone. When checking the ROM in the white screen, it says not allow. I think i need ROM 1.21.114.3 from T-Mobile if I want to do the SD-card flash.
I only have access to the bootloader, I have bootloader 1.04, and I have access to KITL mode, but the Windows CE Platform Builder fix also doesn't work
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if you have 1.04; run the RUU on your computer; you will get a "Vender ID Error" immediately ignore this and run the updater AGAIN (do not touch or unplug your PDA) after doing this a second time it will begin to flash
vayip said:
Well, i ****ed up my phone.
Trying to bring it back alive failed, so I'm going to bring it
back to T-Mobile.
Does someone know a very good lie I can tell them, so I don't have to pay for the repair.
When i try to start my phone, i see a HTC splashscreen, and thats it. Normally it start with a T-Mobile splashscreen. Can they see i tried flashing my phone, or is that an assumption they make.
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seriously this is why MS and Carriers HATE us
Olipro said:
if you have 1.04; run the RUU on your computer; you will get a "Vender ID Error" immediately ignore this and run the updater AGAIN (do not touch or unplug your PDA) after doing this a second time it will begin to flash
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I did what you said. I connected the phone to my laptop in bootloader. I started the RUU from WMXL 0.20. My phone goes to the white screen and at 0% i get a message on my laptop the connection got disconnected. So i start the RUU again, but again the message my connection got disconnected.
So still working on a good lie.
@vayip: sounds like a problem with the USB on your laptop. Try using a different computer. BL1.04 will let you flash any OS provided your NAND isn't full of bad blocks. You're a long way away from returning your device to Tmo IMO.
On the new computer:
direct USB connect to rear port only no usb hubs
pc running windows XP
turn off screensaver/Powersave mode
close all other apps
hands off the computer for the 25 minutes or so that it takes
Sleuth255 said:
@vayip: sounds like a problem with the USB on your laptop. Try using a different computer. BL1.04 will let you flash any OS provided your NAND isn't full of bad blocks. You're a long way away from returning your device to Tmo IMO.[/list]
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Does it matter if the phone is simlocked or not. My phone is not SuperCID.
The strange thing than is, i have 2 laptops. Doing the upgrade don't work on both.
Will try a normal pc then. Maybe more luck.
Follow Oli's advice about retrying the update if you get an initial vendor ID error. BL1.04 will flash any rom without SuperCID due to a bug.
You might want to jump in with mtty first to see if your NAND is full of bad blocks. If it is then your device is toast fttb.....
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seriously this is why MS and Carriers HATE us
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I completely agree! If you ****ed up your device, than you should have the courage to stand up for it and if it was not your fault, than just tell them the truth! But suggestions like "put it in the microwave for 5secs".... come on
And just a small hint: If you (for example) really put it in the microwave, than you'll better pray that no technician ever analyses your device - if so you could get into serious trouble, mate.
Btw, if you microwave it, you probalby need a new microwave too.
Edit: And i dont think its warranty would cover "I just put my Phone in there"
"So still working on a good lie."
Doesn't breaking your phone through your own actions and then getting it repaired/ replaced for free by telling lies make you a liar and a thief?
I trashed 8525, and that sucks, but it was my fault so I have to pay for it.
In my adventures flashing Roms, I've only bricked 1 Hermes (Cingular 8525). I actually told the local Cingular shop that I broke it 2 weeks after I bought it. The manager told me to bring it in and she replaced it under the 30 day in-store return policy. I was suprised because I had caused the bad NAND Block problem on the device but she said that since I was able to get an official Cingular Rom flashed onto it and it booted into WM5 (just wouldn't do anything because of memory errors).
Now I also have a very good working relationship with this store. I've gotten a phone about every 6 months from them over tha past 2 years and have given them some great info regarding WM5 devices (reccomendations on screen protectors, software & cases etc). I have 3 lines (2 with Data) and even if they don't know me by name eveyone in the store knows me by reputation.
Tomorrow I will have my spare Hermes (also 8525) so we can begin experimenting with getting some additional storage memory without risking bricking my primary phone.
The way I see it, we are taking a chance when we modify our devices.
I've had to return 2 Wizards for Warranty replacement to Cingular, both were CID Unlocked but the problems were unrelated to flashing Roms (One was because the touch screen developed a dead spot the other was because of Radio hardware issues).
Hi there,
OK i wanted know if is it possible to see from the boot screen (That one with the four colors) what version i had of WindowsMobile.
Here the point,today i went in a SoftBank shop to talk about problems and warranty,so i asked if my device was covered by warranty if dropped to the ground,they told that there are no problem because i pay monthly for accident like that.
If they can't see it well this will be covered by warranty otherwise bye bye
So now as we know we lose the warranty if we change the operating system,
it's a well known fact for this reason i want to know if can they see what kind of version i had before?
I'm stuck in that screen and it seems there's no way out to bring it back to live!
Thanx to everybody
Hi all
Anyone here had any experiences of returning a flashed phone for a warranty claim? I wonder how carefully they inspect the set-up. I'm suffering very bad battery life (<4 hours) and a dead camera on my Vario II, but I'm sure T-Mobile won't accept a claim (WM6, Radio 1.43, HardSPL, unlocked etc).
I can revert some things, for instance I got the original T-Mobile WM5 installed OK but can't find the original Radio ROM (1.05).
If there's no hope I'll just open the bugger up and try jiggling the camera connector or just remove it completely!!
sim
if youre returning your phone to a brick and mortar store then as long as it looks unmodded then I don't think they'd notice. Like if you reflashed with the provider's logo, etc.... they are just sales people, MOST of them know very little about any technical aspect of the phone. From my experience of getting one of my phones exchanged the reps I spoke to were not able to answer my technical problems, which is why I replaced it... so i say go for it
Hi zammykoo,
Do they not send it back to a service centre for evaluation? I'm a bit worried that even if the shop gives me a replacement on the spot, they might check out my busted model later and then slap me with a penalty fee or something.
sim
what exactly is the problem you are having with the camera? if it is under warranty then shouldn't it cover manufacturer defects like that? if that is the case. and it should apply to the bad battery life too, if those things were not caused by you (like water damage, they can tell) then they wouldn't have anything to say..... but as far as software reflash then i really don't think it'll matter cause they will probably reflash it themselves to clear out any previous user settings before putting back on the market
Hi there,
I just found an official WM6 flash from T-Mobile UK, so I've flashed that and taken it back to the shop for repair. Thought I'd take a chance as the phone is effectively useless at the moment (camera is dead and battery loses 20% per hour).
Thanks for your advice!
sim
Undo HardSPL? Mtty's format command clears everything?
Hi...I have a few questions about this topic as well.
It looks like my radio (hardware) died on me after a soft reset...I'd been having some problems with it before then. Anyways, I went through my provider's warranty exchange and I'm about to send my old handset back. My questions:
1) I'm stuck in the bootloader screen, since I couldn't upgrade my radio. I have Hard-SPL installed on my device, and you can see that (it says "Olipro" in the bootloader screen). Is there any way to remove Hard-SPL, or do you guys think I even need to worry/bother with that?
2) In the process of trying to reflash my phone and fix things myself, I used mtty and its format command...What exactly does that format? Is my phone's memory completely clean? That's fine by me if it is; I don't think that would be an issue with service personnel. I'm just wanting to know exactly what mtty's format does.
In addition, if anyone else has had to make a return under similar conditions, I'd appreciate hearing about your experience. THANKS!
i dont think any spl have a format command!!!!
r u kidding???
No, SPL's don't have a format command (that I know of!); I used this utility called mtty...I read about it here in the forums; it comes in handy when you're trying to recover from a bad flash, I think.
Anyone else have an answer to my questions?
1) I'm stuck in the bootloader screen, since I couldn't upgrade my radio. I have Hard-SPL installed on my device, and you can see that (it says "Olipro" in the bootloader screen). Is there any way to remove Hard-SPL, or do you guys think I even need to worry/bother with that?
2) In the process of trying to reflash my phone and fix things myself, I used mtty and its format command...What exactly does that format? Is my phone's memory completely clean? That's fine by me if it is; I don't think that would be an issue with service personnel. I'm just wanting to know exactly what mtty's format does.
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I had no problem with AT&T returning several unlocked and upgraded phones for replacement.
Thank for the response...
tvone said:
I had no problem with AT&T returning several unlocked and upgraded phones for replacement.
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tvone, thanks for taking the time to respond; I appreciate it.
Based on what you're telling me, I guess I won't worry about "downgrading" from HardSPL before taking it in.
If anyone has a different experience - or would just like to provide more reassurance (I'd love to have it!) - please let me know soon...I'll be taking care of this today!
THANKS!
Hello,
Very short:
I have a weird problem that basically boils down to "Can a repair company known that at one stage my handset had custom firmware on it?
More detail:
The reason is that because of a hardware fault (miroc USB things its always plugged in) I sent my phone to get repaired within the 3 month guarantee period.
The company has since requested 85 Euro to fix it because they say that I voided my warranty by installing customer firmware on the handset.
But, before I sent them the phone I factory reset everything back to the way it was when I bought it.
How could they know that I used custom firmware?
How the hell in the first place could installing customer firmware and safely uninstalling custom firmware void a warranty.
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So while on holiday my handset stopped working correctly and started to think that it was always plugged into a power outlet. This occurred mid week into a holiday so I doubted OS problems.
Just to be sure, when I got back home I installed a handful of new and old OS’s and kernels to see if the problem would go away.
The issue did not go away, so I flashed back to my first backup and reinstalled a secure kernel. The phone was back to stock and the yellow triangle was gone.
Gave the phone to my T-mobile store and they sent it to the repair company to be fixed
The phone returned a week later stating that the issue was fixed and the latest firmware was installed on the handset. I turned the phone on and the exact same problem was still there.
Returned to the store, informed them, they sent it back to the repair company.
Another 2 weeks later and I get a letter stating that I need to pay 85 euro to fix the phone, no explanation
Go to the store, they look it up and state that since I used customer firmware I void the warranty and have to pay even though the issue is HW related and not SW.
So, can the company know that I used customer ROMs and do this?
mathewr said:
Hello,
So, can the company know that I used customer ROMs and do this?
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Yes it Voids Warranty That's the way it is ...
Dude SEARCH...
Anyways,
Yes they know as your Download rom Number increases every time.
Simple Easy to use Solution
I hope you must have read somewhere about USB Jig .. Use that
It Clears the Costom Rom numbers and Then u can safely give it to repair
Yep. You didn't mention the bit where you use a jig to reset the flash counter in your blurb. So that's a dead giveaway.
Like it or not, it's well known that running non-stock firmware on your phone voids your warranty, and frankly, anyone who expects warranty service after they've run non-stock firmware is kidding themselves.
Obviously if you reflash stock firmware, do a factory reset/get rid of any apps that might hint you've rooted the phone & use a jig to reset the flash counter there's a fair chance you'll get warranty service.
But it's never a dead-set 10000% rolled gold certainty & you certainly shouldn't have an expectation of same.
Thanks for the replies.
I did try a few searche, but I must have had a bad string. It's not like looking up a model number.
The jig thing I totally forgot about. I remember reading it and it slipped my mind lol. All that effort to get it back to stock and I forgot the jig lol.
Thanks for the replies, enjoy your day!
I just put mine back to stock and they repaired it no questions asked. And I didn't use a jig.
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I think all companies are different. Some will look for anyway possible to make a money.
I understand that you void your warranty when you install custom OS, but I still think it's dirty tactics. I bought it, I own it, I will do what I want with it. If the fault is a physical defect, I expect it repaired regardless of what happened to the software.
"Oh I see you changed the stereo in your car. Sorry the defect within the motor is now not under warranty."
That's a not unreasonable argument, but at the end of the day that's the warranty. They don't exactly go all out to hide that part of the warranty, it's clearly stated. At the end of the day, no amount of "wishing upon a star" will change it. If you had the financial means, you might be able to take it further, but it's a case of diminishing returns. If you did take it further and lost, you'd be buggered financially. Hardly worth it for the sake of €85.
And frankly, if the warranty was unreasonable from a legal POV, I'm sure someone/a consumer organisation somewhere would have had a crack at Samsung/other smartphone manufacturers by now.
I personally don't have a problem with it. If I do something with something I own where it's clearly stated doing same voids the warranty, that's my tough luck. Obviously I'll take all the proper steps to try and get warranty service (stock firmware, factory reset, jig), but I wouldn't be overly devastated/surprised if they knocked it back. I did a few weeks of research on here before I even bought my phone & knew what I was potentially getting myself into on the warranty front.
mathewr said:
I think all companies are different. Some will look for anyway possible to make a money.
I understand that you void your warranty when you install custom OS, but I still think it's dirty tactics. I bought it, I own it, I will do what I want with it. If the fault is a physical defect, I expect it repaired regardless of what happened to the software.
"Oh I see you changed the stereo in your car. Sorry the defect within the motor is now not under warranty."
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That's a not unreasonable argument, but at the end of the day that's the warranty. They don't exactly go all out to hide that part of the warranty, it's clearly stated. At the end of the day, no amount of "wishing upon a star" will change it. If you had the financial means, you might be able to take it further, but it's a case of diminishing returns. If you did take it further and lost, you'd be buggered financially. Hardly worth it for the sake of €85.
And frankly, if the warranty was unreasonable from a legal POV, I'm sure someone/a consumer organisation somewhere would have had a crack at Samsung/other smartphone manufacturers by now.
I personally don't have a problem with it. If I do something with something I own where it's clearly stated doing same voids the warranty, that's my tough luck. Obviously I'll take all the proper steps to try and get warranty service (stock firmware, factory reset, jig), but I wouldn't be overly devastated/surprised if they knocked it back. I did a few weeks of research on here before I even bought my phone & knew what I was potentially getting myself into on the warranty front.
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Yea, I understand. Please don't miss construed the tone. I'm not angry or *****ing, I just find it completely unreasonable and the line in the sand seems to keep moving.
I add it to the same category as those online companies changing there T&C's so that you cannot sue them if you agree and you cant take another step until you do agree. I add this to the same category as Apple/Sony suing and criminally charging people who rooted their products. Apple and Sony sold those products and what the buyer chooses to do is their business.
Let's stop pretending we are the owners of our products, we are just renting.
Wish i should find a clip, but I am reminded of this family guy ep:
Peter Griffin: Where's my VCR?
Redneck Kid 1: Dang it Buck. It's my turn to use the sex box.
Redneck Kid 2: It's my sex box, and her name is Sony.
Haha ;-) Yep it is like that (Saw that episode again on pay TV a couple of weeks ago).
mathewr said:
Wish i should find a clip, but I am reminded of this family guy ep:
Peter Griffin: Where's my VCR?
Redneck Kid 1: Dang it Buck. It's my turn to use the sex box.
Redneck Kid 2: It's my sex box, and her name is Sony.
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Hey guys, sorry for another topic, however I actually do know what is wrong with my phone and know it needs to be JTAG repaired..
however... I was wondering if anyone knew the root cause of this (no pun intended).. I was flashing JellyBam v5.0 (custom [email protected]~) and mid installation, phone froze, powered down and is now bricked. Any reason why it would do that mid install? Battery was 95%+
cheers
rsr1 said:
Hey guys, sorry for another topic, however I actually do know what is wrong with my phone and know it needs to be JTAG repaired..
however... I was wondering if anyone knew the root cause of this (no pun intended).. I was flashing JellyBam v5.0 (custom [email protected]~) and mid installation, phone froze, powered down and is now bricked. Any reason why it would do that mid install? Battery was 95%+
cheers
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Please state more details. Rom, kernel, modem, odin, cwm, etc
He did. Regardless, none of that info would be relevant/useful in this case anyway, phone's borked.
@OP - Honestly, that's impossible to say. Something hardware related in the phone, something simple like the battery contacts not making a proper connection, something on the PC side even (temporary issue with the connection b/w the PC & phone) ? The possibilities are endless.
Have it looked at by a JTAG repairer & if that can't be done, maybe try and source a motherboard from a donor phone (broken screen or whatever). That will be the cheaper option than having Samsung replace the MB if it can't be JTAG'd, even if you pay a local mobile repair shop to install the 'new' MB (if you're not confident enough to DIY).
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Please state more details. Rom, kernel, modem, odin, cwm, etc
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MistahBungle said:
He did. Regardless, none of that info would be relevant/useful in this case anyway, phone's borked.
@OP - Honestly, that's impossible to say. Something hardware related in the phone, something simple like the battery contacts not making a proper connection, something on the PC side even (temporary issue with the connection b/w the PC & phone) ? The possibilities are endless.
Have it looked at by a JTAG repairer & if that can't be done, maybe try and source a motherboard from a donor phone (broken screen or whatever). That will be the cheaper option than having Samsung replace the MB if it can't be JTAG'd, even if you pay a local mobile repair shop to install the 'new' MB (if you're not confident enough to DIY).
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Yeah you are right it could be anything happening within the phone without my knowledge, luckily phone was connected to mains when i was flashing using CWM so no problems there, but i don't think i will find the reason why it actually happened as you said the possibilities are endless
I'm trying to get in touch with a place that does JTAG repairs at the moment, however im just scared they say it can't be done. Havent really got the money to fork out for a new MB. I bought the phone second hand last year (april) where i was told it was only 3-4weeks old however had no old purchase details. Is there any way for me to check if the warranty is still valid or does it become void after resale? Thanks
There used to be an online warranty checker on one of Samsung's regional websites (can't remember which, maybe someone else does ?) where you could put the serial number in & get the warranty end date, but I recall people on here saying it either went away or didn't work anymore at some point last year.
But I doubt you'd get warranty service without the original receipt anyway, and even if you had it, I'm not sure the warranty is transferable beyond the original purchaser (Someone else please correct me if they know of cases where the warranty has been honoured regardless, I realise this might vary from country to country).
Unless the phone has physical damage as opposed to the NAND simply being scrambled beyond all recognition which normally happens when a flash goes wrong like that, you'd probably expect it to be JTAG'able.
If it's not, as I said in my PP, a board from a 'donor' phone would be much cheaper to both buy/have installed than paying a Samsung authorised repairer to put a new MB in (apparently they charge in the vicinity of half what a new phone would cost retail).
Edit - Re: getting a 'donor' phone for the MB, here's an example of what I'm talking about; no doubt you'll probably pick one up cheaper, just thought I'd give you an example of what to look for if you end up needing to go down that path.
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I'm trying to get in touch with a place that does JTAG repairs at the moment, however im just scared they say it can't be done. Havent really got the money to fork out for a new MB. I bought the phone second hand last year (april) where i was told it was only 3-4weeks old however had no old purchase details. Is there any way for me to check if the warranty is still valid or does it become void after resale? Thanks
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MistahBungle said:
There used to be an online warranty checker on one of Samsung's regional websites (can't remember which, maybe someone else does ?) where you could put the serial number in & get the warranty end date, but I recall people on here saying it either went away or didn't work anymore at some point last year.
But I doubt you'd get warranty service without the original receipt anyway, and even if you had it, I'm not sure the warranty is transferable beyond the original purchaser (Someone else please correct me if they know of cases where the warranty has been honoured regardless, I realise this might vary from country to country).
Unless the phone has physical damage as opposed to the NAND simply being scrambled beyond all recognition which normally happens when a flash goes wrong like that, you'd probably expect it to be JTAG'able.
If it's not, as I said in my PP, a board from a 'donor' phone would be much cheaper to both buy/have installed than paying a Samsung authorised repairer to put a new MB in (apparently they charge in the vicinity of half what a new phone would cost retail).
Edit - Re: getting a 'donor' phone for the MB, here's an example of what I'm talking about; no doubt you'll probably pick one up cheaper, just thought I'd give you an example of what to look for if you end up needing to go down that path.
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I think you're right on that one, if i don't even have proof of purchase then I don't think warranty will be valid. Thanks anyway on that behalf. Yeah it is only that one issue nothing else is wrong physically so i am hoping for the best and do believe a JTAG should get me out of this situation without a problem (fingers crossed).
On the topic of a replacement motherboard thank you very much for pointing me in the right direction if JTAG fails. Buying a cheap phone as such is a great idea and taking a working motherboard for a lot cheaper than RRP is wonderful.
Thankyou very much for your input & help ::highfive:
I have the EXACT same problem...
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Simmyen said:
I have the EXACT same problem...
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It happened to both of us whilst installing JellyBam v5, so surely there must be a problem with the ROM? We encountered the exact same issue 100% and are both left in the same position now due to the ROM
rsr1 said:
It happened to both of us whilst installing JellyBam v5, so surely there must be a problem with the ROM? We encountered the exact same issue 100% and are both left in the same position now due to the ROM
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I have the exact same problem yeah, but i know a friend of mine who used the same ROM as we did.. it worked for him though
Always try a Jig before JTAG, no harm there.
If warrantu isn't voided, make sure it's really bricked so you can claim it with the "I was updating it via wifi and dropped dead" rutine.
No probs. Just sorry we couldn't be of more help. Best of luck (Hope it ends up being easily JTAG'able for you).
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Thankyou very much for your input & help ::highfive:
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