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Okay so I recently purchased an i-mate Spartphone I have a couple of questions that I couldn't find thru the search feature.
1st I was wondering is the phone I have a Qtek 8500 (I think thats what I read on here) it only says imate on the outside and smartflip below the inner screen and say's imate on loading.
2nd when I use the camera all I see is static no picture... is there a way to fix this or should I load a different rom? I am thinking of running the rose or neo rom anyways (I have to get on my home computer and do the unlocks first I believe)
3rd I am also new to Winmo phones so I was wondering if there was any nice apps that anyone could point me towards.
Thanks in advance
spinn360 said:
Okay so I recently purchased an i-mate Spartphone I have a couple of questions that I couldn't find thru the search feature.
1st I was wondering is the phone I have a Qtek 8500 (I think thats what I read on here) it only says imate on the outside and smartflip below the inner screen and say's imate on loading.
2nd when I use the camera all I see is static no picture... is there a way to fix this or should I load a different rom? I am thinking of running the rose or neo rom anyways (I have to get on my home computer and do the unlocks first I believe)
3rd I am also new to Winmo phones so I was wondering if there was any nice apps that anyone could point me towards.
Thanks in advance
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The phone is made by HTC but is also sold as other names such as i-mate smartflip.
I have an i-mate smart flip that I purchased on e-bay and was able to use the camera just fine with the original WM5 ROM. Though I must admit that after upgrading the ROM to Erofoch's Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional for HTC StarTrek the camera works even better with the camera night mode option.
This version of WM6 works amazing on this phone, it also has BatteryStatus set up with safe and quick overclocking.
It took me a while to figure out all the steps, there is so much great information in this forum that it can be a bit overwhelming. I was directed to this wiki web page which outlines the ROM upgrade process step by step. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index...Trk_ROM_Update
For the Mobile 6.1 Pro ROM that I installed I only had to stop at step 2 because this ROM does the rest.
I hope this helps.
Kind regards,
Rudydb.
Okay I installed the Rose Rom by pampooh??(probably mispelled hope does not offend) anyways still just static on the camera not a huge deal for me I have a different camera phone for that purpose just was hoping it would fix it may be that I just got one with a bad camera but oh well
Yep, sounds like a bad camera. In general, when there is a driver issue, you will either get an error message when you launch the camera, or else a blank screen, but definitely not static.
iMate, Startrek, 3185, and a few other names are all the same phone. HTC sells the phone to Cellular carriers, and they can name it whatever they want. With the phone nerds here at XDA, the easiest way to refer to it is as "StarTrek", since this was the HTC code name for the phone. All the phones are basically alike, except for the Cingular/AT&T 3185, which has a larger battery, and twice the ROM (64MB instead of 32MB). You can buy the extended battery and associated back plate on eBay if you want it. All the versions of the phone run the same software and operating systems.
Software:
Tons of good software out there. What you will like is a matter of opinion. I can't live without:
1. Microsoft Voice Command 1.6 - Gives you text to speech, and awesome voice recognition.
2. Coreplayer - An actual working media player for the phone (not crappy like WMP).
3. Replacement calandar/tasks program - Tons out there, but I don't like the MS one.
4. Games - Again, find ones you like.
what are the odds that in the new version of android , the issue with bluetooth file transfer will be fixed ?
doubt it, i dont think its a bug but more a compagny policy.
they dont want you to send apps and games to oher phones
i think we have a better chance with the xda community here for developing/porting a proper bluetooth stack to our hero` s
there is a lot more you can do with a proper bluetooth stack than sending files, you know. so i doubt this is a company policy thing but rather a BIG failure to deliver what has been standard in mobile devices for years now. (especially for handsets in this price range)
coming from the iphone, i learned that all the "BT is necessary" chants were a bit overrated; I didn't know it was not possible until way after I upgraded to the 3G. I never used it or saw the need for it.
In the beginning BT filetransfer was 'cool'; "wow I can send a picture! or a MP3 !!"
But now I would just email it, even if the person is standing next to me.
A2DP I can understand. But all other functions like "cool! I can use my phone as a mouse for my computer!!" for me got old 4/5 years ago.
Still, if people want it, you could just write a program, no?
No, obviously it is not possible to "just write a program" if there is no API for Bluetooth file transfer and there is no information on how to do it without an API.
There are now several programs that can do BT file transfer on other Android phones, but none of them work on the Hero.
And you can use only mail if the receiver can also use mail. My BT carkit certainly can't use mail.
elmicha said:
No, obviously it is not possible to "just write a program" if there is no API for Bluetooth file transfer and there is no information on how to do it without an API.
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Well, almost true.
There's an app in the market called "Bluetooth File Transfer" which allows you to send and receive files by Bluetooth and doesn't require a rooted phone.
Sounds great, but.... (yes there's a but!)
You can only receive files being sent from another Android user via "Bluetooth File Transfer"
See http://www.medieval.it/content/view/61/85/
Regards,
Dave
Does it work on your Hero? It doesn't on mine (GSM Hero). The market description still says "Currently, doesn't work on HTC Hero and Samsung Galaxy, but we are working on it." (http://www.cyrket.com/package/it.medieval.blueftp)
Same problem with Androbex: "Reported not to work on HTC Hero and Samsung Galaxy. you can try yourself and tell us."
As far as I know, neither the Hero kernel nor a Hero image for the emulator is available at this time, so it is a lot more complicated to develop such things which are not covered by the API.
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Well, almost true.
There's an app in the market called "Bluetooth File Transfer" which allows you to send and receive files by Bluetooth and doesn't require a rooted phone.
Sounds great, but.... (yes there's a but!)
You can only receive files being sent from another Android user via "Bluetooth File Transfer"
See http://www.medieval.it/content/view/61/85/
Regards,
Dave
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I have another but on this. It doesn't just have to be to another Android phone, I can easily send to my Sony Ericson & LG & Moto friend's phones.
Although I'm on a rooted G1, so take that with a grain of salt.
However you are right about not working on a Hero.
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I have another but on this. It doesn't just have to be to another Android phone, I can easily send to my Sony Ericson & LG & Moto friend's phones.
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As I said, it says that you can only *receive* files from another user of this software. I always presumed that sending would be ok!
However you are right about not working on a Hero.
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I installed it on my Hero, and it seems to run ok (i.e. no obvious errors) but as soon as I saw that I can only receive from another phone running this software, I dismissed it. I seldom use BT file transfer anyway, and this restriction would've made it pointless for the limited occasions that I might use it.
I will give it a try today though, and see what happens, but I'm also on a rooted device so this may make a difference.
Regards,
Dave
Ok, when I start the application it tells me that is has successfully started the "Bluetooth file receiving" and "Bluetooth file sharing" service.
However, I tried to pair with my laptop and I got an error message that it couldn't start the OBEX FTP service. So, it looks like it doesn't work at all for devices not running their software. I do wonder though if it would work between two devices running the software simply because it looks like they don't use OBEX FTP.
Regards,
Dave
maybe someone can make a wifi based peer to peer app FTP orso
at least then we can send stuff
I think dismissing it as simply being 'cool', is incorrect.
I know alot of people that arn't 'smartphone' savvy and don't have email accounts that they use on the phone or have internet access on the phone for that matter. They tend to use the phones mostly for (shock horror) making call and taking pics etc.
There have been several instances when they like a picture/video clip or something and want to send/receive via bluetooth.
They are somewhat surprised when I say I can't do that, especially after I've shown them all the other clever things I can do on the phone...
Zuber
Bluetooth
Begin rant:
I know everyone keeps saying you should sync your entire life with Google's servers (as that’s the point of having an Internet device) but there are times when a quick sync with Outlook (or another client) is desirable just to back-up your contacts or to grab a file/contact through the use of Bluetooth. Hell, that’s what the technology was created for!
Yes, I know everything is online with Android, but using BT to sync is something I took for granted with my Win Mobiles and Symbian devices. With me it’s a privacy issue, I don't want my entire life to be blasted off into the ether, transmitted across the globe, stored on a sever (in a country for which server security may not be a top priority i.e. Korea) and back again just to ensure my phone calendar is up-to-date with my computer's calendar.
From my phone in my pocket to the computer sitting less than a foot away on my desk, Bluetooth seems the best solution.
Yes, there's USB but that means plugging in a cable...
End Rant.
If you have a WiFi router (or access point) it's possible to use an ftp server on the hero and an ftp client on the desktop (or vice versa). See FTPServer and SwiFTP Server for ftp servers.
I didn't try aFileSync yet, but from the description it looks nice.
But this doesn't help if you don't have a WiFi router avaliable, although WiFi ad-hoc mode might be possible with android-wifi-tether on rooted phones. And Wifi ad-hoc mode doesn't help if the other end has only Bluetooth.
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From my phone in my pocket to the computer sitting less than a foot away on my desk, Bluetooth seems the best solution.
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To be honest, it's probably partially Apples fault as it took them ages to get something half resembling Bluetooth into their iPhones. Given the take up of the iPhone, it does go to show that much of the market can just live without it.
Googles "excuse", way back more than a year ago, was that they hadn't quite finalized the API and so they shipped the G1 with only support for headsets. Skip forward a year, and they've only only added a couple more profiles to their bluetooth stack, which is pretty poor going for a multi-bazillion dollar organization!
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
To be honest, it's probably partially Apples fault as it took them ages to get something half resembling Bluetooth into their iPhones. Given the take up of the iPhone, it does go to show that much of the market can just live without it.
Googles "excuse", way back more than a year ago, was that they hadn't quite finalized the API and so they shipped the G1 with only support for headsets. Skip forward a year, and they've only only added a couple more profiles to their bluetooth stack, which is pretty poor going for a multi-bazillion dollar organization!
Regards,
Dave
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True, I know its a feature that (some) of us expect but at the end of the day the Android OS is still in its infancy. Give me Android over Symbian (which I've been using for the last couple of years) any day!
It would be nice to see things like OBEX implemented into the OS (perhaps in a future release?). But for all the small picky things that its missing, Android makes up for its 'downfalls' in a million other ways. I certainly would not switch now, I just hope that Google, HTC and all the freelance Dev's keep up their amazing work.
One final word: I'd still like to Sync with Bluetooth though!
This is not just a cool feature, it is an expected feature. To have a smartphone released without that is ridiculous, in this day and age. Unlike Apple, who have ideological reasons why they dont want it, I dont believe that Google have any reason; it is just a massive slip up, probably because they werent thinking globally.
It is the most starred/wanted issue in the Android bug/development list, higher than anything else which shows that it is pretty important to tech- savvy users as well as the average joe who takes it for granted.
People simply expect this standard functionality to be there. I never fail to be embarrassed when someone asks me to bluetooth a photo to their crappy Nokia and I admit I cannot.
I could on my Jam, I could on my Touch, I could on my Diamond, but I cant on my Hero. Pathetic.
bluetooth obex on donut 1.6
hey i have been looking all over for an up to date blog on android obex development. I notice many of you guys are complaining about not having the capability. Look up Medieval software app that is freeware in the Android Market, and also have a webpage. I have used them for windows mobile. I have seen sites where people have created their own stacks and have directions to help you. I would be interested on learning how to actually do this. I know cupcake had a directory and stack for this. I would like to know if any of you know anything for the donut build. Every time I connect to my pc from medieval via my G1, i get this error "Service not found, you can't connect with target device because it lacks of the obex ftp bluetooth service"....oddly however when i linked up this app it allowed a stack to become visible underneath the vista bluetooth properties on the G1 device. it had handset and file transfer which i selected because it wasnt. Actually as im writing this i just checked again to verify the name and now i have another one! Object push! wow. so i will keep you posted. going to try harder. i think this program will work. thanks
Idea
Correct me if I'm wrong but seeing as the Blueooth standard is open and Android is opensource, how much time/effort/cost would it involve in a 3rd party dev like MoDaCo/Cyanogen implementing additional protocols into the BT stack?
A custom ROM with this feature would be an instant hit. I'd make a donation to anyone developing such a feature.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but seeing as the Blueooth standard is open and Android is opensource, how much time/effort/cost would it involve in a 3rd party dev like MoDaCo/Cyanogen implementing additional protocols into the BT stack?
A custom ROM with this feature would be an instant hit. I'd make a donation to anyone developing such a feature.
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Well, it can totally be done. Im pretty sure people have made steps to do this and some 1.5 cupcake roms had support. There is many BT stacks out there and are dependent on the more primitive driver, known as the API. The Kernel is the base framework which is chosen for these Roms. Most rom developers like Cyanogen pick a certain one to fulfill an obligation, ex speed, Hero, experimiental. From what I get on here is that many of the top rom developers dont care much about BT and alot of people are waiting for BT 3.0. So in short i behind what you stated and maybe we could start a donation fund towards a developer that would be willing. Maybe theres already someone out there even! Alot is changing with Android, its exploding.
Just wondering if anyone knows of a ROM that allready has Internet Calling (VOIP) installed and working. Been trying forever to get this to work!
Thanks
I wish this feature would work 2 but 4 now I use SKYPE it's wonderful u can use it on many phones and computers it's GREEEAAAT ...
Yes, I have Skype and Fring as well but I would just like to have the VoIP on the phone working, it seems a little like VooDoo to get that thing running for some reason.
I could cook it in a rom specially for you if you are willing to buy me coffee .
I would love this too.
I now have two of these CDMA Touch Pro 2's that I wanna use around the house / office on my asterisk box.
let me know what you can hook up for a sweet rom that can have the VOIP built in as well as some other great things for texting without a carrier plan if possible and also some other great things like IRC and maybe palringo type apps.
thanks,
Nathan...
PM me or IM me about this if need b.
CDMA over GSM
I think, if I am understanding correctly, that you are asking for the video phone calls that the GSM networks offer...
We in the USA have CDMA and not GSM, CDMA network does not support video calls or video conferencing as the TP and TP2 have offered for European models. We are behind in technology and towers. I think they will eventually change the networks and give us something better.
As of now, I think that AT&T is the only one that is offering surfing the internet and talking on the phone, but I believe those are on their international phones. (not sure so dont quote me on that). But that offer still does not give you options to do video conferencing or anything of the sort.
In short, were screwed out of all these beautiful features because we are in a CDMA enabled location... Thinking about it, forget this, im moving to Amsterdam!!!
not me. I understand that the CDMA service in the US sucks. I am going to just use mine as a "extension to my asterisk box. so it is only going to be Wi-Fi only use. not cell service. thats what I have my new HTC Tilt 2 with AT&T for.
thanks,
nathan
- EZThunder, just let me know what coffee costs in your neighborhood !
-MapAZ04 - Nope, just want the native Windows VoIP to work on the phone over WiFi connections. My phone isn't even provisioned with a providor anymore, I just want to use it as a VoIP WiFI phone, otherwise it's not good for much. I'd like to be able to use this phone when traveling, using my VoIP connection to call home etc on.
It does work with Skype and Fring, but they are a little bit of a workaround because the phone is supposed to support SIP natively and the other two programs have their drawbacks.
I didn't realize WM supports SIP natively.
hammtech said:
- EZThunder, just let me know what coffee costs in your neighborhood !
-MapAZ04 - Nope, just want the native Windows VoIP to work on the phone over WiFi connections. My phone isn't even provisioned with a providor anymore, I just want to use it as a VoIP WiFI phone, otherwise it's not good for much. I'd like to be able to use this phone when traveling, using my VoIP connection to call home etc on.
It does work with Skype and Fring, but they are a little bit of a workaround because the phone is supposed to support SIP natively and the other two programs have their drawbacks.
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this is exactly what I was trying to say, just in much fewer words
so let me know what some coffee runs around your neck of the woods if you can throw together something like I was saying.
thanks,
nathan
I will donate $50 to the cause, but with a twist...
Make it a simple cab to work on all roms and phones.
I have tested about 10 roms today, (Not just me LOL, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618486&highlight=voip) I would install SipConfigTool_2_0_1.CAB & WM6VoIP.CAB & even SecondToday.CAB on roms with different Today skins.. (Touch Flow or whatever)...
On all roms, the today plug in "Internet calling" would not show.
I think the verizon and sprint must have sabatouged the possibility of VOIP or something.
Here is what I want.
I want the ability to switch between regular cell calls and VOIP.
A simple file edit or GUI like the gOD Shaun33 SipConfigTool_2_0_1.CAB
Can be switched from VOIP over WIFI or VOIP over reg cell data or reg cell phone via a button or a Today plug in..
To be able to use my Blue tooth headset.
Not use a third party app,, just the defualt - built in phone dialer so the ringing and other stuff.
Or a third party app that does not slow things down, activate your WIFI.. (like fring) and that wakes your phone up for a call, yet allows it to sleep to save on battery life.
Hell everyone is doing VOIP now days, especially with the Windows based VOIP server that will even run on Windows XP. www.3CX.com .... Its free.. I use it and we only use the softphone and a BUA-100 Plantronics BT USB device and www.JAWBONE.com and the quality is the best thing out there and you can answer and hang up by a click on the side of the BT headset, just like your cell phone, so you can keep your hands free and not have to sit by your computer.
Every rom I tried, the Today plug in did not work. I am trying this now as I type http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=574521 looks hopefull and maybe I will not have to pay $50.
Like most, I would try Shaun33 SipConfigTool_2_0_1.CAB and give up. I know I have tried the SipConfigTool_2_0_1.CAB & WM6VoIP.CAB on AT LEAST 12 phones over the last 3 or so years and never had success, so i just gave up..
Enough, I need it now and I will pay.
Ya, F it. I tried following the instructions http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=574521 to a T, and I am not an idiot!
The phone companies want you to use their network, because that is how they make money.
Maybe your UK phones are different, but USA is driven by GRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!
$50 from me, who else is in?
hmmm, maybe this is why it will not work on sprint - verizon...
"The SIP VoIP build in WM 6.x supports only GSM (13.2 kbps) / g711alaw (64 kbps) / g711-ulaw (64 kbps) codecs"
from http://forum.ppcwarez.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=61730
EDIT: daaaa deerr da derr.. Codecs.. Not TDMA-CDMA ****.. duu.
can some gOD tweak the deep level stuff?
ppaa, ppaaaaaaaaaaa,,, PPPPLLLELELELLEAAASEEEE!!!
dewild1 said:
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$50 from me, who else is in?
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I'm looking for exactly what you are, so I'd be in too. I just bought a VoIP WIFI phone that looks like a cell phone from 1998 - I'd love to get one phone that does it all so I'm not carying around a bunch of phones and all of the tangled mess that goes with it.
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hmmm, maybe this is why it will not work on sprint - verizon...
"The SIP VoIP build in WM 6.x supports only GSM (13.2 kbps) / g711alaw (64 kbps) / g711-ulaw (64 kbps) codecs"
from http://forum.ppcwarez.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=61730
EDIT: daaaa deerr da derr.. Codecs.. Not TDMA-CDMA ****.. duu.
can some gOD tweak the deep level stuff?
ppaa, ppaaaaaaaaaaa,,, PPPPLLLELELELLEAAASEEEE!!!
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Why would supporting GSM be an issue if VoIP can be used over Wifi?
Anyways, I will give it a shot and send you the beta rom. However, since I have no way of testing this thing (as I no longer have a Herman), you will have to give me feedback to let me know whether it works or not.
In the meantime, I am going to try a few different things in my Blue Angel (I know it is GSM, but I do not have a chip in there, so in theory it will work... in fact, it has worked in the past, only I did not want to pay for VoIP service)
this thread cracks me up...
One guy starts a thread & leaves out all of the important info & another talking about greed while offering up $50! LOL
Not even sure what you guys are after anymore..
But... you know the Touch Pro 2 does both GSM (in the U.S) & CDMA both (when unlocked @ ppcgeeks).... dunno, another couple of cents
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But... you know the Touch Pro 2 does both GSM (in the U.S) & CDMA both (when unlocked @ ppcgeeks).... dunno, another couple of cents
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Maybe so, but these people here have TP and not TP2. Besides, what the OP wants is the ability to use VoIP. At no point is anyone in this thread saying anything about wanting CDMA and GSM functionality.
egzthunder1 said:
Maybe so, but these people here have TP and not TP2. Besides, what the OP wants is the ability to use VoIP. At no point is anyone in this thread saying anything about wanting CDMA and GSM functionality.
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correct.
I jusjt want to use some WiFi type apps and mostly the VOIP functionality of the phone as it will be used as an extension to my asterisk box
egzthunder1 said:
Why would supporting GSM be an issue if VoIP can be used over Wifi?
Anyways, I will give it a shot and send you the beta rom. However, since I have no way of testing this thing (as I no longer have a Herman), you will have to give me feedback to let me know whether it works or not.
In the meantime, I am going to try a few different things in my Blue Angel (I know it is GSM, but I do not have a chip in there, so in theory it will work... in fact, it has worked in the past, only I did not want to pay for VoIP service)
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Key line...
"EDIT: daaaa deerr da derr.. Codecs.. Not TDMA-CDMA ****.. duu."
I did not have my head on right is what I was saying.
GSM or CDMA do nto mean anything. I read something about "GSM Codecs" and they were just talking about a compression lable. In VOIP its just compression and qaulity..
Never mind all that...
I would like one that works over WIFI or the cell network,(GSM or CDMA or TDMA or 4G or whatever, its a connection, sorry for the confusion)
I will check my PM.. If no body made it already, I will repost to keep the DREAM ALIVE! lol
Remeber, I think someone should make one that works with the default dialer and uses whatever built in sound device the phone uses.. This way it would work with any hardware and and ROM.. Whoever makes one like that, will be rich, I say there is a big demand for it.. Fring sucks.
Had VoIP Working!
I did manage to get this working by installing:
WM6VoIPFull.cab
Setup_VoIP_v0.3.cab
On my phone. However. I had just set it up with one trunk line and used it for a week or so. When I tried switching it to my working PBX with a tested valid account, it stopped working alltogether again. So I've spent the past few days on the road trying to get this working again, but with no luck at all. Maybe it is a combination of installing every VoIP enabler file I could find that got it working the first time, but for the life of me I can't even get it to work again with the trunk line.
Is there anyone out there that knows what registry keys have to be enabled to get this to work? I don't care if I have to set a key and then set it to read only to keep it on, I just want it to work
Also, is there a newer version of Setup_VoIP? That version never shows anything under the dialing plan tab no matter what I do.
I've tried everything to get this working again, including post number 9 at the following link:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=1610281
It sets the ServiceOn registry key and everything looks good, just no VoIP on the phone.
Also, if anyone is interested, the phone is not hitting the PBX at all, so it is not even attempting to make a connection (it is not AUTH failing or anything like that).
Hello,
well I think all of you know, that many reviews say, that the call quality of TG01 is pretty bad. They say, that the people that you call with the TG01, don't understand your voice very good etc.
Well it's not clear if it's a hardware or a software issue.
So today I made a test of the hardware. I installed the newest version of Skype mobile on the TG01 and called the Skype test Service. There I could leave a voicemessage and after that I was able to hear my voicemessage.
So I tried that and found that the quality of the microphone isn't very bad. Everything was very clear. No cracking or somethin like that.
So why is the quality in normal calls so bad? I think it could be a software problem. I would be very happy if it would be a software problem, because softwareproblems can be fixed
What do you guys think?
I would like you to try this method, too. I want to know if you make the same experiences with the microphone on skype that I have made.
Best regards,
Manuel
there is already a topic for this
there is more to it then the test you described accounts for like signal being 3g or 2g probably other variables but you test shows good results for software prob which can be proved by results of using srswow
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there is already a topic for this
there is more to it then the test you described accounts for like signal being 3g or 2g probably other variables i belive there may be some incompatabilty with signals of the phone your calling
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so many people are complaining about this.... but imho no ones actually quantified the problem...
some say it's barely able to function as a phone, others say the call qual is merely degraded...
some say no probs on 3g, others say 2g is best....
most people seem to agree its probably not hardware... the problems is retained on bluetooth... aparently...
some say it's orange... some say it's any 1800gsm network...
i think the majority of people who have unlocked thier phone & moved away from orange have experienced improved results... there's a few posts to this effect over on modaco.com & my own opinion is that my unlocked TG much prefers my work SIM to my orange one... roll on end of contract
trying to post on my tgo1 is annoying you got my post before i finished it lol stupud buttons i agree its got to be software or evil orange hopefully the rumored fix appears soon. i personaly have bad quality all the time so like you roll on end of contract 20months noooooooo
My TG01 ia unlocked and I use it on the o2 network, I had complaints from people i am calling about them not being able to hear me or dropping in and out so the problem is not specific to orange. It is better with a bluetooth headset but still not great.
I am waiting for this rumoured "audio fix" to appear from orange / toshiba or the newer 6.5.3 rom would be nice (wont hold my breath though).
i forgot to mention when i first got tg01 i had loads of problems, anyway went into store and they "tested" it and said it sounded fine i told them what i thought it sounded like trying to talk through two tin cans with a string,
manager at store said thats just what tg01s sound like htere is nothing that we can do, no refund as its classed as being in the design of the phone not an actual fault. i am going to start a down with orange group lol
if I ring someone from my orange sim, hang up swap to my tmuk sim and ring them back they tell its like i'm on a diff phone....
You sure you're not using a different phone?!
I can't honestly see why that should make a difference, phone-side, as TMob and Orange operate on the same frequency band - I suppose it could be through the voice-compression systems used at the cells and downlinks though.
The way to test this, would be to try a test-call using both your Orange and TMobile SIMs in a different handset - see how it goes.
I've found the 'listening' quality of the TG01 pretty poor, I have to admit, but having spent years listening to, and diagnosing audio systems small and (very) large, what I'm hearing is definitely a limitation of the speaker / amplifier, rather than codec / software issue.
if I ring someone from my orange sim, hang up swap to my tmuk sim and ring them back they tell its like i'm on a diff phone....
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This could point to an issue with one of the bands that the phone uses causing the problem like the 3g band. I have read other posts saying they dont have an issue when the phone is forced to GSM mode.
I have the problem both with the orange sim that came with the phone and also my contract o2 sim. This leads me to believe that the problem doesn't lie with the operator but with the actual phone itself. It could be hardware but most likely software as most people are saying.
Lets hope they release this blinking fix soon before i get rid of it and get an android phone. Had windows mobiles for the past 6 years and have put up with things not working because basically there wasn't an alternative that could match what the windows platform could. Now there is so unless something drastic happens on the windows mobile front there will be a lot people leaving and going to alternative platforms.
orange and tmobile are the same company as of a few months ago so i will avoid them both now. its such a shame tg01 has this problem i will have to find out what network the people that complain to me about how i sound are on (as some say i sound fine) as its an interesting therory about signals ect
Some news again:
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Dear Manuel
Thank you for contacting Toshiba Mobile Communications.
Toshiba currently negotiating with the network operators in order to release new software to resolve the audio issue. Unfortunately, we cannot do anything until this approval is been given.
Please do not hesitate to contact us again for further assistance and use the reference number found in the subject field for all enquiries.
Best Regards,
Toshiba Mobile Communications,
T: 008000 505 2006 - International free phone number
T: 0044 207 111 0990 - Please use this number if your country does not support the free phone number
E: [email protected]
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But I think all of you know, that a software update is planed.
useyourfist said:
orange and tmobile are the same company as of a few months ago so i will avoid them both now. its such a shame tg01 has this problem i will have to find out what network the people that complain to me about how i sound are on (as some say i sound fine) as its an interesting therory about signals ect
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i dont think that TMUK & O-UK have combined thier resources yet...
youbrokeit said:
You sure you're not using a different phone?!
I can't honestly see why that should make a difference, phone-side, as TMob and Orange operate on the same frequency band - I suppose it could be through the voice-compression systems used at the cells and downlinks though.
The way to test this, would be to try a test-call using both your Orange and TMobile SIMs in a different handset - see how it goes.
I've found the 'listening' quality of the TG01 pretty poor, I have to admit, but having spent years listening to, and diagnosing audio systems small and (very) large, what I'm hearing is definitely a limitation of the speaker / amplifier, rather than codec / software issue.
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as you say same frequenzy band - but completely different hardware at each end + different infatsructure....
a lot of this is probably location... Orange is terrible where i live at the best of times....
DunkDream said:
Some news again:
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Dear Manuel
Thank you for contacting Toshiba Mobile Communications.
Toshiba currently negotiating with the network operators in order to release new software to resolve the audio issue. Unfortunately, we cannot do anything until this approval is been given.
Please do not hesitate to contact us again for further assistance and use the reference number found in the subject field for all enquiries.
Best Regards,
Toshiba Mobile Communications,
T: 008000 505 2006 - International free phone number
T: 0044 207 111 0990 - Please use this number if your country does not support the free phone number
E: [email protected]
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But I think all of you know, that a software update is planed.
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this (often posted) msg from Toshiba could amount to a number of things...
it could mean
we've developed a fix & are merely waiting for the carriers to agree distribution terms before we issue it
but it might mean
we dont care - go away. if the carriers start saying there's a problem & they're prepared to pay us development costs then we'll consider lifting a finger to find a fix, but we're a bit busy developing other products at the moment so if you don't like waiting, we suggest you get a iphone
or anything in between.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's worth noting that Japan doesn't use GSM, so they may not be that ofey with designing for it....
I still just want to clarify what exactly the problem is....
Like I said earlier
To many people are describing varying degrees of severity, against far to many variables
We’ve read them all... "this phone's shjt, its ok on 3g, its best on 2g, its orange, it's the 1800gsm band, its hardware, its software blah blah
To meaningfully get to the bottom of this we really need to pool resources, conduct some testing & arrive at what the precise problem is we're experiencing...
After all if everybody is correct about the problems their having... then all this serves to demonstrate is that TG01s are leaving the factory with a myriad of different problems, suggesting a woeful lack quality control....
...........which would be very unlikely from someone like Toshiba....
My own €0.02 ???
Orange is pathetic in my area.
I can only get 2g signal. On my Nokia 2600 I had to go into the garden to get any telephony at all.
My TG at least works in the house.
When I use the TG I can be heard fairly well - with the occasional ''can you repeat that mate, you broke up a bit' from the person on the other end of the line...
When I put in the T-Mobile SIM call quality is vastly improved....
....based on the above I THINK that
- The TG01 isn't a bad unit - perhaps just not as good as some of the other WM devices...
- The majority of MY call quality issues are caused by the orange signal in my area
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Reading this forum RE the (apparently divine, can do no wrong) HTC HD2 didn't that arrive with dodgy call quality & the xda boffins had to make a selection of revised radios to get the quality people expected?
Cheers - sorry for the long one !!!
Adam
I still just want to clarify what exactly the problem is....
Like I said earlier
To many people are describing varying degrees of severity, against far to many variables
We’ve read them all... "this phone's shjt, its ok on 3g, its best on 2g, its orange, it's the 1800gsm band, its hardware, its software blah blah
To meaningfully get to the bottom of this we really need to pool resources, conduct some testing & arrive at what the precise problem is we're experiencing...
After all if everybody is correct about the problems their having... then all this serves to demonstrate is that TG01s are leaving the factory with a myriad of different problems, suggesting a woeful lack quality control....
...........which would be very unlikely from someone like Toshiba....
My own €0.02 ???
Orange is pathetic in my area.
I can only get 2g signal. On my Nokia 2600 I had to go into the garden to get any telephony at all.
My TG at least works in the house.
When I use the TG I can be heard fairly well - with the occasional ''can you repeat that mate, you broke up a bit' from the person on the other end of the line...
When I put in the T-Mobile SIM call quality is vastly improved....
....based on the above I THINK that
- The TG01 isn't a bad unit - perhaps just not as good as some of the other WM devices...
- The majority of MY call quality issues are caused by the orange signal in my area
.........................
Reading this forum RE the (apparently divine, can do no wrong) HTC HD2 didn't that arrive with dodgy call quality & the xda boffins had to make a selection of revised radios to get the quality people expected?
Cheers - sorry for the long one !!!
Adam
youbrokeit said:
I've found the 'listening' quality of the TG01 pretty poor, I have to admit, but having spent years listening to, and diagnosing audio systems small and (very) large, what I'm hearing is definitely a limitation of the speaker / amplifier, rather than codec / software issue.
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sorry to be thick - but are you saying you think the problem is caused by the physical speaker (microphone) or by the amplification method the phone uses to boost sound output?
if this is what you're saying, then what do you think the fix is? (a different speaker?)
forgive my ignorance but i thought the problem was still edvident when using a BT device, so doesn't this rule out hardware altogther?
Sorry if i'm being thick... !!!
cheers
My dad is getting problems with poor audio, he often gets people asking "what did you say", when he can hear them clearly. The signal in our house is usually 4/5 bars of 2G with occasional 3G coverage in places.
He's getting fed up with it so I hope there is a fix coming because otherwise it's a decent phone bar the poor battery life.
eddybrown said:
My dad is getting problems with poor audio, he often gets people asking "what did you say", when he can hear them clearly.
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This may sound really strange (and it's based on something somebody said on another forum) but ...
The microphone on the TG01 is at the bottom left of the screen. Can you ask your father to ensure that he is talking directly into the microphone and see if it makes any difference?
This may sound really strange (and it's based on something somebody said on another forum) but ...
The microphone on the TG01 is at the bottom left of the screen. Can you ask your father to ensure that he is talking directly into the microphone and see if it makes any difference?
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Doubt it has anything to do with the microphone as it happens with a bluetooth ear piece as well.
Hello everyone. We got 5 phones during the holidays from Microsoft retail store in LA. Right after we put our sim cards and start using our phones all of us realized that other party can't hear us clearly (as an example when I use my AT&T Tilt 2 other party can hear me way better). Looks like the microphone cuts all high-frequency sounds. Either it's a microphone problem (could be defected batch) or some other settings. We've already checked all possible settings with no success. Does anybody else having the same problem?
Other than that phone is really awesome!
OS version: 7.10.7720.68
Hardware version: 0002
Radio: 16.23.02.26_A_16.27.00.23U
Any suggestions?
Nobody else experiencing this problem?
Is it possible that something is wrong with this particular batch?
TITAN - Lousy Sound Quality - Other Party Can't Hear . . .
I also have most people I call tell me I sound all distorted, (Or occasionally worse.) When I have someone call from my phone to a land line, to me the receiving sound has a buzz, almost tinitus, frequency shifts, & sometimes pulsing of the signal. Don't know if this might be the microphone, transmission, or what, although it seems consistent to my Titan, Occurrs in many places . . .
I'm surprised that no one else (except you) seem bothered. I tried unchecking the signal boost / loudness check, but to no avail.
Any suggestions? How is the sound quality you others are getting? Hope it is just a bad unit that I can swap Friday, or else I'll go back to my HTC AT&T Tilt-2, (the titl-2 is a much inferior phone, but with decent sound.)
My gilfriend constantly complains that she cant hear me too well. I think its because the phone is pretty long and the mic is right on the bottom. She can hear me better when i put the bottom part closer to my mouth. Its quiet annoying. I dont think its call quality but just bad positioning of the mic by htc.
@artzznyzz Where did you buy your phone?
UPDATE on bad / inferior Titan Sound Recepton:
Following a suggestion, I un-set (TURNED OFF) my attentive phone 'flip for speaker' option, so as to NOT automaticially go to speaker only when turning phone over & setting it down for hand free use during a call. This seemed to help some. (But a drag as this was a very nice touch - Most of my usage is in office / for business)
Per 'Cubanaso', above, I am also being more attentive to not holding the phone at the top where the antena may be, and also holding it lower so as to speak nearer the microphone on the bottom edge of the phone. (Why the heck did HTC place the main voice microphone so far out of the line of normal user speach? Maybe an attempt to save $ & go with only one microphone for both normal handheld usage, and also for face down on the table hands free usage? It would seem better to have two good mics, and via software use one for main speach, and the other for noise cancelling input, depending upon orientation.)
(This specialized custom grip is a pain because of aviding so much 'verbotten' contact with the phone - Can't touch the top off/on switch, nor the camera button, nor cover the microphone, nor where the micro-USB charger is attached. Too many restrictions, until new habits are learned . . .)
Anyhow, some more minor improvement, but still inferior sound quality for the person being called (whether they are on their own other cell or landline.)
BALMADOR: I bought mine at the AT&T corporate store on Main St. in White Plains NY. The sales kid, and contract, both promised a 30 day return period.
I am surprised that, of the (presumably) thousands of Titans out there, there are so few complaints about sound quality. Maybe I / we just have the rare problem ? ? ?
Any other insight from HTC, Google, or other web sites, etc.??? (I already checked WPCentral.com, and nothing more there . . .)
There are a few other problems, although not as major as this:
- Some phone numbers within given contacts (entered in outlook 10/ exchange 10) do not display on the the Titan. Seems to be 'Car', and others . . .
- Want access to the file storage space to set up directory structure for downloaded files (like the windows subdirectory structure & access), rather than just dump them into a single place managed by the system, without any identifiers other than the file name.
- The sync & skydrive of files seems random &/or flakey - We do not have the time to debug this.
- The HTC / AT&T issue standard documentation is superficial. (Also there is no WIKI, or no easy to access WIKI yet on XDA Developers, or I can't find it . . . Suggestions ? ? ?)
- Finally, Office Mobile seems generally flakey. For example, - Seems impossible to read & edit any file formats prior to office 2010, - Very difficult in Excel to highlight and drag a several cells, - can't figure out how to copy & paste reliably, etc., etc. . . .
Summary - I want to like & keep the Titan (another unit) so I am still inclined to try an exchange, or return the phone. Does anyone else have any further suggetions? (Maybe wait & try the Lumina 800 some day - What system will that be on, Verizon or AT&T ? ? ?)
Thanks, Art
not a rare problem
I was constantly told that I sounded "muffled" or "like I was underwater".
....I took my phone to be replaced for a new device....I guess I'll see how it goes.
smokeyb111 said:
I was constantly told that I sounded "muffled" or "like I was underwater".
....I took my phone to be replaced for a new device....I guess I'll see how it goes.
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smokeyb111, could you tell where did you buy your phone?
If you have already exchanged it, can you tell if your new phone doesn't have this problem?
smokeyb111 said:
I was constantly told that I sounded "muffled" or "like I was underwater".
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Same here!
Actually, my phone's earpiece also sounds muffled
smokeyb111 said:
I was constantly told that I sounded "muffled" or "like I was underwater".
....I took my phone to be replaced for a new device....I guess I'll see how it goes.
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I'm considering this as well as my titan is muffled on caller's end on about half of the calls to an unacceptable level.
Please update us on the results of a swap
Update re Sound Issue - Exchanged Unit : - )
Total fustration, so yesterday I went back to the AT&T corporate store (where I had upgraded from the Titl-2 to the Titan) and traded the Titan in for a new unit.
The trade in transaction took an hour ++, because the staff, although very friendly, cooperative and sincere, had no experience with the Titan (and I have a lot on my phone.) The store did not have or was missing the bluetooth dongle needed for content transfer, etc, etc, etc . . . But we got it done, thanks to my Exchange for Outlook, and e-mail for a few business photos, etc.
Anyhow, after 24 hours, it seems to be night and day on the sound issue - Extremely good, (except in very noisy environments); very loud both ends, better / tolerable connections in a few fringe areas where I had trouble with old Titl-2, No complaints on early test calls, etc, etc. I'll update y'all after several more days of experience . . .
So, Status Quo:
- My Titan is a very good phone (only) and decent electronic rolodex, with pretty good mapping / traffic / gps.
But:
- Lots of nagging ??software?? issues, some mentioned in prior post above. These problems seem like quality control programming bugs which should not have gotten through, and should be easy to fix. (Hope so as I really like this phone for my heavy business use!) More to follow.
HELP:
- How about a WIKI page for the Titan P139100 to organize the list of defects needing improvement, and most important, to supplement the superficial HTC / AT&T documentation, user guides? (lots of these problems may be mere lack of information & training for us users . . .)
I've tried to set up the WIKI page, with no luck. Maybe one of you with more experience can either get it started, or private message me with a little guidance . . .
Thanks
Arthur
Anyhow, after 24 hours, it seems to be night and day on the sound issue - Extremely good,
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I appreciate your feedback and it is encouraging to know that another handset might fix my issue (call quality) with the device. thanks! Think I might try to swap out for another unit when my local store gets more in
OTOH, I don't understand your transfer issues. Do you not have all of your photos and music synced with Zune? also do you have a live account where all of your contacts and calendar is saved?
I don't use Exchange server so maybe it's different but I walked into a store and swapped devices last week (Focus S) and stood there and reset (wiped out) my phone, typed my live account on the new device and walked out of there with all of my contacts calendars and email on the new phone instantly. plugged it into Zune when I got home and had photos and music back as well.
Went online to Windowsphone.com and clicked on all the apps I had previously installed and they too were put back on the phone
For everybody who having problem with the microphone.. I just spoke to HTC Hardware Department. They even not aware of this problem. Please call them and let them know. So at lease they will add this to the known issue list. Their phone # is: (866) 449-8358
For what it's worth, I just got my phone this past weekend. I've only had a few calls so far and no complaints from anyone. I have asked everyone I talked to if they could hear me okay and there was no problem.
I bought mine from a large retailer which hopefully means they go through a lot of Titans and I got a good one.
I did play a video from GoPro today and when I max'd the volume, it was distorted and had static. Haven't had the problem with other vid's so I am assuming it was the vid and not the speaker on the phone.
Decent phone. I was about to blow up when I realized that Outlook Sync was gone but after playing with it for a few hours, I was able to get the Windows Live connector to do it's thing for me. Not 100% happy but pretty close.
Same problem here
I have the same problem. I love the titan, but I have to fix this issue (or return the phone) for the sake of my relationship and work.
It seems as if the noise cancellation software is dumbing down the highs of my voice (it sounds like I am underwater). I haven't experience this problem when using Tango to video chat. I've also read that the problem doesn't exist while recording a video. Just a heads up, people have been posting about this issue in the wpcentral forums. I'm new to the forum, so I can't post links.
Here are the links to WPCentral forum:
http://forums.wpcentral.com/titan/184444.htm
http://forums.wpcentral.com/titan/184445.htm
I've also posted in this HTC forum:
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/174/t/14751.aspx
Please put your comments as well. We need HTC's attention to this problem. Now we almost sure that it's not a mic problem (thanks to TANGO). Somehow dialer/phone software (noise cancellation or coding or any other filtering) and may be camera's part are not performing as needed on some units. And it should be fixed or patched.
Just a thought that might help with diagnosing the problem. I have a wired hands free headset (don't like any of the bluetooth devices from inexpensive to way over priced) and if you think it's the microphone or software for noise reduction is the problem, I bet you could try a wired headset and see it the trouble persists. If so, I would go get a replacement phone.
Just a thought.
Can someone who doesn't experiencing a "muffled" effect send me a private message with his phone # so we can make a couple test calls? That way we can really compare and make a better statement.
I've bought a titan for my wife, and had these same mic issues, she sounds muffled, recessed, underwater, got her a plantronics 975, and call quality went from bad, to terific.
Something is definately up with the mic/software on these things. I got the UK version from Clove.
I've since bought a second device for myself, and call quality is horrible, lots of chopping out, bad signal, bad reception. I was later told by my service provider, its a problem with their HSPA network, and the TITAN was not tested on it and may not be properly supported, i swithced off the 3g radio and sure enough all my problems went away, perfect call quality and reception, but no 4g? Sucks. They say they need to do patches on their network before the phone will work properly. But that seems to be a spereate issues, the mic stuff defiantely needs to be addressed. or we all use bluetooth!
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I've since bought a second device for myself, and call quality is horrible, lots of chopping out, bad signal, bad reception. I was later told by my service provider, its a problem with their HSPA network, and the TITAN was not tested on it and may not be properly supported, i swithced off the 3g radio and sure enough all my problems went away, perfect call quality and reception, but no 4g? Sucks. They say they need to do patches on their network before the phone will work properly. But that seems to be a spereate issues, the mic stuff defiantely needs to be addressed. or we all use bluetooth!
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Maybe I should factor in my location to the lack of problems with my phones audio quality. I live in the Dallas area, home of AT&T, and it's possible the network has been upgraded here and when I travel outside of this area, the quality will suffer as many of you have reported. This could be why some are not having troubles and others are.