Just wondering if anyone knows of a ROM that allready has Internet Calling (VOIP) installed and working. Been trying forever to get this to work!
Thanks
I wish this feature would work 2 but 4 now I use SKYPE it's wonderful u can use it on many phones and computers it's GREEEAAAT ...
Yes, I have Skype and Fring as well but I would just like to have the VoIP on the phone working, it seems a little like VooDoo to get that thing running for some reason.
I could cook it in a rom specially for you if you are willing to buy me coffee .
I would love this too.
I now have two of these CDMA Touch Pro 2's that I wanna use around the house / office on my asterisk box.
let me know what you can hook up for a sweet rom that can have the VOIP built in as well as some other great things for texting without a carrier plan if possible and also some other great things like IRC and maybe palringo type apps.
thanks,
Nathan...
PM me or IM me about this if need b.
CDMA over GSM
I think, if I am understanding correctly, that you are asking for the video phone calls that the GSM networks offer...
We in the USA have CDMA and not GSM, CDMA network does not support video calls or video conferencing as the TP and TP2 have offered for European models. We are behind in technology and towers. I think they will eventually change the networks and give us something better.
As of now, I think that AT&T is the only one that is offering surfing the internet and talking on the phone, but I believe those are on their international phones. (not sure so dont quote me on that). But that offer still does not give you options to do video conferencing or anything of the sort.
In short, were screwed out of all these beautiful features because we are in a CDMA enabled location... Thinking about it, forget this, im moving to Amsterdam!!!
not me. I understand that the CDMA service in the US sucks. I am going to just use mine as a "extension to my asterisk box. so it is only going to be Wi-Fi only use. not cell service. thats what I have my new HTC Tilt 2 with AT&T for.
thanks,
nathan
- EZThunder, just let me know what coffee costs in your neighborhood !
-MapAZ04 - Nope, just want the native Windows VoIP to work on the phone over WiFi connections. My phone isn't even provisioned with a providor anymore, I just want to use it as a VoIP WiFI phone, otherwise it's not good for much. I'd like to be able to use this phone when traveling, using my VoIP connection to call home etc on.
It does work with Skype and Fring, but they are a little bit of a workaround because the phone is supposed to support SIP natively and the other two programs have their drawbacks.
I didn't realize WM supports SIP natively.
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- EZThunder, just let me know what coffee costs in your neighborhood !
-MapAZ04 - Nope, just want the native Windows VoIP to work on the phone over WiFi connections. My phone isn't even provisioned with a providor anymore, I just want to use it as a VoIP WiFI phone, otherwise it's not good for much. I'd like to be able to use this phone when traveling, using my VoIP connection to call home etc on.
It does work with Skype and Fring, but they are a little bit of a workaround because the phone is supposed to support SIP natively and the other two programs have their drawbacks.
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this is exactly what I was trying to say, just in much fewer words
so let me know what some coffee runs around your neck of the woods if you can throw together something like I was saying.
thanks,
nathan
I will donate $50 to the cause, but with a twist...
Make it a simple cab to work on all roms and phones.
I have tested about 10 roms today, (Not just me LOL, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618486&highlight=voip) I would install SipConfigTool_2_0_1.CAB & WM6VoIP.CAB & even SecondToday.CAB on roms with different Today skins.. (Touch Flow or whatever)...
On all roms, the today plug in "Internet calling" would not show.
I think the verizon and sprint must have sabatouged the possibility of VOIP or something.
Here is what I want.
I want the ability to switch between regular cell calls and VOIP.
A simple file edit or GUI like the gOD Shaun33 SipConfigTool_2_0_1.CAB
Can be switched from VOIP over WIFI or VOIP over reg cell data or reg cell phone via a button or a Today plug in..
To be able to use my Blue tooth headset.
Not use a third party app,, just the defualt - built in phone dialer so the ringing and other stuff.
Or a third party app that does not slow things down, activate your WIFI.. (like fring) and that wakes your phone up for a call, yet allows it to sleep to save on battery life.
Hell everyone is doing VOIP now days, especially with the Windows based VOIP server that will even run on Windows XP. www.3CX.com .... Its free.. I use it and we only use the softphone and a BUA-100 Plantronics BT USB device and www.JAWBONE.com and the quality is the best thing out there and you can answer and hang up by a click on the side of the BT headset, just like your cell phone, so you can keep your hands free and not have to sit by your computer.
Every rom I tried, the Today plug in did not work. I am trying this now as I type http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=574521 looks hopefull and maybe I will not have to pay $50.
Like most, I would try Shaun33 SipConfigTool_2_0_1.CAB and give up. I know I have tried the SipConfigTool_2_0_1.CAB & WM6VoIP.CAB on AT LEAST 12 phones over the last 3 or so years and never had success, so i just gave up..
Enough, I need it now and I will pay.
Ya, F it. I tried following the instructions http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=574521 to a T, and I am not an idiot!
The phone companies want you to use their network, because that is how they make money.
Maybe your UK phones are different, but USA is driven by GRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!
$50 from me, who else is in?
hmmm, maybe this is why it will not work on sprint - verizon...
"The SIP VoIP build in WM 6.x supports only GSM (13.2 kbps) / g711alaw (64 kbps) / g711-ulaw (64 kbps) codecs"
from http://forum.ppcwarez.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=61730
EDIT: daaaa deerr da derr.. Codecs.. Not TDMA-CDMA ****.. duu.
can some gOD tweak the deep level stuff?
ppaa, ppaaaaaaaaaaa,,, PPPPLLLELELELLEAAASEEEE!!!
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$50 from me, who else is in?
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I'm looking for exactly what you are, so I'd be in too. I just bought a VoIP WIFI phone that looks like a cell phone from 1998 - I'd love to get one phone that does it all so I'm not carying around a bunch of phones and all of the tangled mess that goes with it.
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hmmm, maybe this is why it will not work on sprint - verizon...
"The SIP VoIP build in WM 6.x supports only GSM (13.2 kbps) / g711alaw (64 kbps) / g711-ulaw (64 kbps) codecs"
from http://forum.ppcwarez.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=61730
EDIT: daaaa deerr da derr.. Codecs.. Not TDMA-CDMA ****.. duu.
can some gOD tweak the deep level stuff?
ppaa, ppaaaaaaaaaaa,,, PPPPLLLELELELLEAAASEEEE!!!
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Why would supporting GSM be an issue if VoIP can be used over Wifi?
Anyways, I will give it a shot and send you the beta rom. However, since I have no way of testing this thing (as I no longer have a Herman), you will have to give me feedback to let me know whether it works or not.
In the meantime, I am going to try a few different things in my Blue Angel (I know it is GSM, but I do not have a chip in there, so in theory it will work... in fact, it has worked in the past, only I did not want to pay for VoIP service)
this thread cracks me up...
One guy starts a thread & leaves out all of the important info & another talking about greed while offering up $50! LOL
Not even sure what you guys are after anymore..
But... you know the Touch Pro 2 does both GSM (in the U.S) & CDMA both (when unlocked @ ppcgeeks).... dunno, another couple of cents
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But... you know the Touch Pro 2 does both GSM (in the U.S) & CDMA both (when unlocked @ ppcgeeks).... dunno, another couple of cents
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Maybe so, but these people here have TP and not TP2. Besides, what the OP wants is the ability to use VoIP. At no point is anyone in this thread saying anything about wanting CDMA and GSM functionality.
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Maybe so, but these people here have TP and not TP2. Besides, what the OP wants is the ability to use VoIP. At no point is anyone in this thread saying anything about wanting CDMA and GSM functionality.
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correct.
I jusjt want to use some WiFi type apps and mostly the VOIP functionality of the phone as it will be used as an extension to my asterisk box
egzthunder1 said:
Why would supporting GSM be an issue if VoIP can be used over Wifi?
Anyways, I will give it a shot and send you the beta rom. However, since I have no way of testing this thing (as I no longer have a Herman), you will have to give me feedback to let me know whether it works or not.
In the meantime, I am going to try a few different things in my Blue Angel (I know it is GSM, but I do not have a chip in there, so in theory it will work... in fact, it has worked in the past, only I did not want to pay for VoIP service)
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Key line...
"EDIT: daaaa deerr da derr.. Codecs.. Not TDMA-CDMA ****.. duu."
I did not have my head on right is what I was saying.
GSM or CDMA do nto mean anything. I read something about "GSM Codecs" and they were just talking about a compression lable. In VOIP its just compression and qaulity..
Never mind all that...
I would like one that works over WIFI or the cell network,(GSM or CDMA or TDMA or 4G or whatever, its a connection, sorry for the confusion)
I will check my PM.. If no body made it already, I will repost to keep the DREAM ALIVE! lol
Remeber, I think someone should make one that works with the default dialer and uses whatever built in sound device the phone uses.. This way it would work with any hardware and and ROM.. Whoever makes one like that, will be rich, I say there is a big demand for it.. Fring sucks.
Had VoIP Working!
I did manage to get this working by installing:
WM6VoIPFull.cab
Setup_VoIP_v0.3.cab
On my phone. However. I had just set it up with one trunk line and used it for a week or so. When I tried switching it to my working PBX with a tested valid account, it stopped working alltogether again. So I've spent the past few days on the road trying to get this working again, but with no luck at all. Maybe it is a combination of installing every VoIP enabler file I could find that got it working the first time, but for the life of me I can't even get it to work again with the trunk line.
Is there anyone out there that knows what registry keys have to be enabled to get this to work? I don't care if I have to set a key and then set it to read only to keep it on, I just want it to work
Also, is there a newer version of Setup_VoIP? That version never shows anything under the dialing plan tab no matter what I do.
I've tried everything to get this working again, including post number 9 at the following link:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=1610281
It sets the ServiceOn registry key and everything looks good, just no VoIP on the phone.
Also, if anyone is interested, the phone is not hitting the PBX at all, so it is not even attempting to make a connection (it is not AUTH failing or anything like that).
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Well a brave member on hofo has taken apart his 8525 and found something interesting. it look like the connector and tray for the vga video confrencing cam is all there. anyone want to take his 8525 apart, find the vga cam for front, and enable the video cam via the cab and see if this really works. link is here:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1113356
pics on thread. maybe we can now be like our tytn brothers and have video confrencing too!
Very interesting, and I noticed this too while I was taking chipset pics for the GPS project. I didn't mention it here because I had no idea how in the world we could get those parts. I think your only hope would be to buy a bricked TyTN that had the front cam.
i cant find anything on ebay or cnn.cn but maybe someone knows where to get this or it will show up somewhere soon and we can try this out. we need more people to come in here and see if anyone has one of these available so we can try this. maybe a member with a 8525 has a bricked tytn also and is willing to take it apart and get the cam so we can see if this is possible. lets not give up bc it would be a great addition.
Cingular Does not support video calling and these phones are not compatible with Tmo USA 3g Network. so this is a waste of time.
Actually, cingular is ready to deploy this feature, ive seen it in action and tested it out.
Cingulars service is called VCS video call sharing, its a crippled for of Video calling and will not support phones without specific VCS support.
and we are in the process of fixing this win the wm6 cooking.
Technically speaking if there was a 3rd party app that used the 3g connection to stream a vid via direct connect to another phone vid calling should be possible. But yea cingulars version of Vid callign coming soon is really a bootled version of what the network is capable of doing. Currently Vid calling test phase was sucessfull with cingular from sandiego to newyork. SO the network obviously supports it . And also there is a feature via opus/care that allows the new vid calling feature up aswell. So we must all wait and see. I would like to see when 2 tytns are trying to make a vid call with cingular sims. I wonder what would be the end result.
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Technically speaking if there was a 3rd party app that used the 3g connection to stream a vid via direct connect to another phone vid calling should be possible. But yea cingulars version of Vid callign coming soon is really a bootled version of what the network is capable of doing. Currently Vid calling test phase was sucessfull with cingular from sandiego to newyork. SO the network obviously supports it . And also there is a feature via opus/care that allows the new vid calling feature up aswell. So we must all wait and see. I would like to see when 2 tytns are trying to make a vid call with cingular sims. I wonder what would be the end result.
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i have a tytn on cingular and would be willing to give it shot with another tytn owner.... we would have to get VCS enabled on the account though...
Yea thats a plus for u because i have a 85 which no frnt camera. It shld work theoritically.I mean i just dont know the limitations of how it works with the cooked os. I mean, if not im surprised there isnt a 3rd party app that would stream the existing camera through a app. The connection shouldnt matter through a 3rd party app because it can use the data portion as a program streams files over the net. A video call directly from the network would def require the feature to be added . Currently they blocked acesses to employeess to add these features on a company account but it is enabled to be chosen for a customers account. They already preloaded it into the system. I guess its all trial and error. There launching a LG first with the more primitve vid sharing which is suppose to be the hot thing for summer . But unfortunelty this doesnt mean 30 fps live session. Its limited into increments. I have no idea why they did this. It certinly makes us look retarted compared to what the network is capable of doing. I guess we just all have to expirement and see.
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Yea thats a plus for u because i have a 85 which no frnt camera. It shld work theoritically.I mean i just dont know the limitations of how it works with the cooked os. I mean, if not im surprised there isnt a 3rd party app that would stream the existing camera through a app. The connection shouldnt matter through a 3rd party app because it can use the data portion as a program streams files over the net. A video call directly from the network would def require the feature to be added . Currently they blocked acesses to employeess to add these features on a company account but it is enabled to be chosen for a customers account. They already preloaded it into the system. I guess its all trial and error. There launching a LG first with the more primitve vid sharing which is suppose to be the hot thing for summer . But unfortunelty this doesnt mean 30 fps live session. Its limited into increments. I have no idea why they did this. It certinly makes us look retarted compared to what the network is capable of doing. I guess we just all have to expirement and see.
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well i actually have a TyTn and an 8525 but would be willing to throw it on my account anyway(if its not to expensive, maybe a PPU) just in case i encounter anyone to try it with, would be interesting to see if it would even interact with the LG... also i need to note that the tytn does use a different dpadmenu.dll in order for video calling... and it also uses a different dpadmenu.dll for PTT... so far i have failed at trying to make them coexist.. but working on it
I've used video calling on an 8525 with one of the WM6 ROM's on Vodafone's network in NZ. Unfortunately with no front camera you can see the other party but they can't see you. I haven't found a way of switching the video calling software to use the 8525's back camera so at least the other party can see stuff from there.
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I've used video calling on an 8525 with one of the WM6 ROM's on Vodafone's network in NZ. Unfortunately with no front camera you can see the other party but they can't see you. I haven't found a way of switching the video calling software to use the 8525's back camera so at least the other party can see stuff from there.
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wouldnt that kind of defeat the purpose???
shogunmark said:
wouldnt that kind of defeat the purpose???
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I have two tytns i would give it a whirl on
wow anyone with a bricked tytn willing to give me the video call cam so i can hack my phone apart and help get this to work. really interested just need the cam Didnt expect this thread to get popular but it has
I've got a HERM100 and to be perfectly honest, video conferencing is ****e; do you *really* want to see the face of the ****bag you're talking to?
ok seriously however... if you did plug a camera into the board, it could thoretically work if you then added on support within the ROM... no idea if the call would be permitted by Cingular... best tested overseas
Olipro said:
I've got a HERM100 and to be perfectly honest, video conferencing is ****e; do you *really* want to see the face of the ****bag you're talking to?
ok seriously however... if you did plug a camera into the board, it could thoretically work if you then added on support within the ROM... no idea if the call would be permitted by Cingular... best tested overseas
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i wouldnt mind the video calling.. great for live interactive pr0n but would be bad if i had to look at your face ... the cingular roms do support the front cam... but it requires a different dpadmenu.dll and dialer.... and i dont suggest anyone hack up their 8525 until 2 people with TyTn's can test it on cingular network..
I traded my Cingular 8525 in for the Softbank version (and love the new phone) - but do not know how to use the Front Facing cam (or at least what apps can use it). Is there something I need to do to utilize it in apps (Messenger, Skype, etc).
Also, Does Cingular disable the Internet Calling?
I am game for trying the cam test on Cingular.
I have done the complete housing with a full tutorial and pics inculded in the link below. The front camera I installed came from a TYTN.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1152710&page=1&pp=15
Now I have used the trial version of coolcamera from ateksoftDOTcom which does enable the fron camera. Theres still some glitches that the developer has to work out. The quality on the camera is quite nice actually. I'm not too concerned about video calling but would rather have the capability of using it to record simple video or taken snap shot pics. Some1 mention flashing the rom to enable this feature which is exactly what I was looking to do. So lets get together and make this happen ya'll.
Where to get camera?
This project seems like a longshot but really interests me. Obstacles:
-I would need a front camera
-I'm on an unlocked Cingular 8525 in the US on T-Mobile
-They don't support video calling
-EDGE is fastest they support, no 3G or UMTS
-I may need a new case to fit this camera
Maybe I could just dremmel (or drill?) a little hole so the camera could see out. But what is this camera piece? There must be an easier way to aquire this then getting an entire spare phone to take it out of.
I've been using USB Modem with my Sprint Touch Pro for the last week and I'm having a major problem with it.
When uploading images via FTP, after one or two jpg files are uploaded, the upstream speed diminishes to almost nothing. It does this every time without fail.
The workaround is just disconnecting and reconnecting, but that's a pain.
Anyone else having this problem? It seems like it's some sort of switch being tripped in the phone or by Sprint when it sees that a large amount of data is being uploaded...just a guess though.
steiny said:
I've been using USB Modem with my Sprint Touch Pro for the last week and I'm having a major problem with it.
When uploading images via FTP, after one or two jpg files are uploaded, the upstream speed diminishes to almost nothing. It does this every time without fail.
The workaround is just disconnecting and reconnecting, but that's a pain.
Anyone else having this problem? It seems like it's some sort of switch being tripped in the phone or by Sprint when it sees that a large amount of data is being uploaded...just a guess though.
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Hi,
Strange problem, I don't know if this will solve your problem.
But you should definately try a programm called "wmrouter" (google...)
This will turn your TP in a wireless router, which is really easy to use.
greetings,
Wout
have you tried the registry hacks for tethering? there's a cab if you don't want to do it yourself, but perhaps it'll fix your problem. You can do a search on here or go here for other touch pro essentials as well: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=42730
The edits are under "internet" on there. goodluck.
wout said:
Hi,
Strange problem, I don't know if this will solve your problem.
But you should definately try a programm called "wmrouter" (google...)
This will turn your TP in a wireless router, which is really easy to use.
greetings,
Wout
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he's right. that app is great and also lets you connect your cpu wirelessly. only problem is that it drains your phone faster cause it uses wifi. but you won't have disconnections... you could try the registry hacks thread on that link i gave you first and if that doesn't work you should pay for wifi router or pdanet.
hey if you resolve this issue please update us on how u did it.. thanks
Wow, thanks for the help guys. Problem solved.
First off, USB Modem simply doesn't work right on the Touch Pro, so I'm uninstalling it. With the pre-installed Internet Sharing software, there's no need for USB Modem anyway and it cuts out the old step of having to dial #777 to connect.
Thanks for the suggestion Unflushablelog. I downloaded and installed the Internet Sharing tethering hack cab file, fired up Internet sharing and blam, full Rev A speed and no diminished upload speed and best of all, no #777 dial up. Awesome. Better solution than I could have hoped for.
As for WMWifiRouter, I'm sure that would work too but I prefer the USB tether.
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he's right. that app is great and also lets you connect your cpu wirelessly. only problem is that it drains your phone faster cause it uses wifi. but you won't have disconnections... you could try the registry hacks thread on that link i gave you first and if that doesn't work you should pay for wifi router or pdanet.
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I just bought a touch pro and im waiting for sprint to ship it, i got the everything plus plan will sprint slap me with a huge bill for tethering?
benitojuarez said:
I just bought a touch pro and im waiting for sprint to ship it, i got the everything plus plan will sprint slap me with a huge bill for tethering?
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i think only the phone as a modem add on to the plan covers tethering... but that's why people use that registry fix... to make sure it uses the sprint line (which is what simply everything uses - regular unlimited data). we should be getting billed for it, but we don't. just try not to spend a lot of time tethering and you'll be fine (basically you don't want to raise any flags by having abnormal data charges on your account cause then sprint might look into it)... people have been doing this for years and that's always their recommendation.. i've never heard anyone say don't do it. it's something that sprint tries to capitalize on by selling an unnecessary extra when it should be free, whether you have the simply everything plan or just the regular power vision with internet
Unflushable could you provide some more info about this reg fix please?
The registry fix is here: http://pocketpc-live.com/top-stories/the-remote-party-has-ended-this-connection.html
Regards,
Carty..
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The registry fix is here: http://pocketpc-live.com/top-stories/the-remote-party-has-ended-this-connection.html
Regards,
Carty..
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Thank you!
Hey all... just picked up the Touch Pro the other day and was a little disheartened to see that the tethering functions can be a little troublesome.
In the past, I've used USBModem on a Treo 700p and it worked beautifully via BlueTooth with my Nokia N800. I typically don't use the devices with a laptop/desktop, as it is most often something I'll make use of when I'm out... otherwise, the standard PDANet solutions would be fine.
Soooo... questions are: have their been any solutions figured out by others who may be using a Nokia N800/N810 to tether to, or is the only current option to use the WMWifiRouter software? Even using the registry changes mentioned in other threads, I have had no luck having the Nokia find the Touch Pro - well... it does, but it sees it as being a GSM device, which I haven't figured out either. If the WMWiFiRouter is the only real option, is it known if that software takes any steps to "mask usage" or will I be dealing with Sprint wanting me to get the "phone as modem" package - additionally, if that would be a problem, could the registry modifications help with that?
Any info provided is greatly appreciated. It's the only thing that keeps it from mopping the floor with my previous machine!
//edit: I failed to mention that I am with Sprint, and the USBModem site clearly states that it does not work via BlueTooth with the Sprint service - I don't know if I've done the registry edit and tried USBModem (I don't believe so, but I've tried a fair number of combos and off the wall ideas so far, so I dunno!)
As far as I can tell, the WMWifiRouter does not let Sprint know that you are tethering since in the technical sense of the word, you are not. Pulling the 3G signal down and broadcasting it as wifi is not tethering. Just try not to use gigabytes of bandwidth every month and you should be fine.
Also, WMWifiRouter is the only solution I've found for my Touch Pro (also on Sprint) that actually works. My tethering hacks always failed after 30 seconds or so, and there seemed to be no other solutions out there besides this piece of software.
You make a good point in that it's not tethering in the sense of the word. I suppose I could also rephrase the question to ask if they can spot the activity and, if so, how easily, but it may be beating a dead horse. I did find it to be a reasonable solution outside of it being a bit of a battery drain. I don't use such functions very often at all, and as such have never brought attention to any minor tethering I've done in the past. Hopefully it will stay that way and I won't see a whack of charges on my bill. Cheers!
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Hey all... just picked up the Touch Pro the other day and was a little disheartened to see that the tethering functions can be a little troublesome.
In the past, I've used USBModem on a Treo 700p and it worked beautifully via BlueTooth with my Nokia N800. I typically don't use the devices with a laptop/desktop, as it is most often something I'll make use of when I'm out... otherwise, the standard PDANet solutions would be fine.
Soooo... questions are: have their been any solutions figured out by others who may be using a Nokia N800/N810 to tether to, or is the only current option to use the WMWifiRouter software? Even using the registry changes mentioned in other threads, I have had no luck having the Nokia find the Touch Pro - well... it does, but it sees it as being a GSM device, which I haven't figured out either. If the WMWiFiRouter is the only real option, is it known if that software takes any steps to "mask usage" or will I be dealing with Sprint wanting me to get the "phone as modem" package - additionally, if that would be a problem, could the registry modifications help with that?
Any info provided is greatly appreciated. It's the only thing that keeps it from mopping the floor with my previous machine!
//edit: I failed to mention that I am with Sprint, and the USBModem site clearly states that it does not work via BlueTooth with the Sprint service - I don't know if I've done the registry edit and tried USBModem (I don't believe so, but I've tried a fair number of combos and off the wall ideas so far, so I dunno!)
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How often are you "Tethering" anyway? I honestly don't have any problems using my phone as a modem with the reg edits to modify the connection from "ForceConnection" to "Sprint PCS" and it works great.
I'm not a dedicated "Tetherer" and use it occasionally but have never seen any problems using the Internet Sharing app and the reg edit.
I use it very rarely (at least I think I do)... maybe once or twice every couple of weeks, and I don't use it to download things from the web and whatnot. Typically, I'll access a few sites and that's about it - very limited.
The only problem I ran into with the reg edits was that my Nokia N800 wasn't picking it up via Bluetooth. Using this method, I can just connect to the wireless broadcast.
Hmm, well I usually use the USB cord with mine but I did us the BT DUN on to tether using a MAC and it worked just fine.
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i invested in PDAnet back when i got my Moto q and have never been happier. I get great speeds. download at 300kb/s at times. Their newest version includes options for WiFi setup as well. Definately worth the money IMO.
Eirikr88 said:
i invested in PDAnet back when i got my Moto q and have never been happier. I get great speeds. download at 300kb/s at times. Their newest version includes options for WiFi setup as well. Definately worth the money IMO.
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Would you be willing to do a test with PDANet and the ICS program on our phones?
I'd like to see a comparison of DL speeds fron the same location of PDANet vs. ICS. I have the ICS cab if you are not running it right now if you like.
PDANet would work fine if I were to tether to a desktop or laptop. Problem is, I am almost never in a situation where I need such a thing. If I use it, it's via bluetooth with my Nokia N800 (since it does not support USB hosting of such devices as 'USB modems'). Bluetooth connectivity with both PDANet and USBModem is nil, with USBModem saying that it won't work with Sprint on their page.
I have found that the latest version of WMWiFiRouter (version 1.25 as of writing) works beautifully and I get reasonably speeds with it... since it's an ad-hoc wifi access point, the Nokia likes it. Problem seems to be solved and very reasonable.
what are the odds that in the new version of android , the issue with bluetooth file transfer will be fixed ?
doubt it, i dont think its a bug but more a compagny policy.
they dont want you to send apps and games to oher phones
i think we have a better chance with the xda community here for developing/porting a proper bluetooth stack to our hero` s
there is a lot more you can do with a proper bluetooth stack than sending files, you know. so i doubt this is a company policy thing but rather a BIG failure to deliver what has been standard in mobile devices for years now. (especially for handsets in this price range)
coming from the iphone, i learned that all the "BT is necessary" chants were a bit overrated; I didn't know it was not possible until way after I upgraded to the 3G. I never used it or saw the need for it.
In the beginning BT filetransfer was 'cool'; "wow I can send a picture! or a MP3 !!"
But now I would just email it, even if the person is standing next to me.
A2DP I can understand. But all other functions like "cool! I can use my phone as a mouse for my computer!!" for me got old 4/5 years ago.
Still, if people want it, you could just write a program, no?
No, obviously it is not possible to "just write a program" if there is no API for Bluetooth file transfer and there is no information on how to do it without an API.
There are now several programs that can do BT file transfer on other Android phones, but none of them work on the Hero.
And you can use only mail if the receiver can also use mail. My BT carkit certainly can't use mail.
elmicha said:
No, obviously it is not possible to "just write a program" if there is no API for Bluetooth file transfer and there is no information on how to do it without an API.
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Well, almost true.
There's an app in the market called "Bluetooth File Transfer" which allows you to send and receive files by Bluetooth and doesn't require a rooted phone.
Sounds great, but.... (yes there's a but!)
You can only receive files being sent from another Android user via "Bluetooth File Transfer"
See http://www.medieval.it/content/view/61/85/
Regards,
Dave
Does it work on your Hero? It doesn't on mine (GSM Hero). The market description still says "Currently, doesn't work on HTC Hero and Samsung Galaxy, but we are working on it." (http://www.cyrket.com/package/it.medieval.blueftp)
Same problem with Androbex: "Reported not to work on HTC Hero and Samsung Galaxy. you can try yourself and tell us."
As far as I know, neither the Hero kernel nor a Hero image for the emulator is available at this time, so it is a lot more complicated to develop such things which are not covered by the API.
foxmeister said:
Well, almost true.
There's an app in the market called "Bluetooth File Transfer" which allows you to send and receive files by Bluetooth and doesn't require a rooted phone.
Sounds great, but.... (yes there's a but!)
You can only receive files being sent from another Android user via "Bluetooth File Transfer"
See http://www.medieval.it/content/view/61/85/
Regards,
Dave
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I have another but on this. It doesn't just have to be to another Android phone, I can easily send to my Sony Ericson & LG & Moto friend's phones.
Although I'm on a rooted G1, so take that with a grain of salt.
However you are right about not working on a Hero.
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I have another but on this. It doesn't just have to be to another Android phone, I can easily send to my Sony Ericson & LG & Moto friend's phones.
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As I said, it says that you can only *receive* files from another user of this software. I always presumed that sending would be ok!
However you are right about not working on a Hero.
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I installed it on my Hero, and it seems to run ok (i.e. no obvious errors) but as soon as I saw that I can only receive from another phone running this software, I dismissed it. I seldom use BT file transfer anyway, and this restriction would've made it pointless for the limited occasions that I might use it.
I will give it a try today though, and see what happens, but I'm also on a rooted device so this may make a difference.
Regards,
Dave
Ok, when I start the application it tells me that is has successfully started the "Bluetooth file receiving" and "Bluetooth file sharing" service.
However, I tried to pair with my laptop and I got an error message that it couldn't start the OBEX FTP service. So, it looks like it doesn't work at all for devices not running their software. I do wonder though if it would work between two devices running the software simply because it looks like they don't use OBEX FTP.
Regards,
Dave
maybe someone can make a wifi based peer to peer app FTP orso
at least then we can send stuff
I think dismissing it as simply being 'cool', is incorrect.
I know alot of people that arn't 'smartphone' savvy and don't have email accounts that they use on the phone or have internet access on the phone for that matter. They tend to use the phones mostly for (shock horror) making call and taking pics etc.
There have been several instances when they like a picture/video clip or something and want to send/receive via bluetooth.
They are somewhat surprised when I say I can't do that, especially after I've shown them all the other clever things I can do on the phone...
Zuber
Bluetooth
Begin rant:
I know everyone keeps saying you should sync your entire life with Google's servers (as that’s the point of having an Internet device) but there are times when a quick sync with Outlook (or another client) is desirable just to back-up your contacts or to grab a file/contact through the use of Bluetooth. Hell, that’s what the technology was created for!
Yes, I know everything is online with Android, but using BT to sync is something I took for granted with my Win Mobiles and Symbian devices. With me it’s a privacy issue, I don't want my entire life to be blasted off into the ether, transmitted across the globe, stored on a sever (in a country for which server security may not be a top priority i.e. Korea) and back again just to ensure my phone calendar is up-to-date with my computer's calendar.
From my phone in my pocket to the computer sitting less than a foot away on my desk, Bluetooth seems the best solution.
Yes, there's USB but that means plugging in a cable...
End Rant.
If you have a WiFi router (or access point) it's possible to use an ftp server on the hero and an ftp client on the desktop (or vice versa). See FTPServer and SwiFTP Server for ftp servers.
I didn't try aFileSync yet, but from the description it looks nice.
But this doesn't help if you don't have a WiFi router avaliable, although WiFi ad-hoc mode might be possible with android-wifi-tether on rooted phones. And Wifi ad-hoc mode doesn't help if the other end has only Bluetooth.
agent-5 said:
From my phone in my pocket to the computer sitting less than a foot away on my desk, Bluetooth seems the best solution.
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To be honest, it's probably partially Apples fault as it took them ages to get something half resembling Bluetooth into their iPhones. Given the take up of the iPhone, it does go to show that much of the market can just live without it.
Googles "excuse", way back more than a year ago, was that they hadn't quite finalized the API and so they shipped the G1 with only support for headsets. Skip forward a year, and they've only only added a couple more profiles to their bluetooth stack, which is pretty poor going for a multi-bazillion dollar organization!
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
To be honest, it's probably partially Apples fault as it took them ages to get something half resembling Bluetooth into their iPhones. Given the take up of the iPhone, it does go to show that much of the market can just live without it.
Googles "excuse", way back more than a year ago, was that they hadn't quite finalized the API and so they shipped the G1 with only support for headsets. Skip forward a year, and they've only only added a couple more profiles to their bluetooth stack, which is pretty poor going for a multi-bazillion dollar organization!
Regards,
Dave
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True, I know its a feature that (some) of us expect but at the end of the day the Android OS is still in its infancy. Give me Android over Symbian (which I've been using for the last couple of years) any day!
It would be nice to see things like OBEX implemented into the OS (perhaps in a future release?). But for all the small picky things that its missing, Android makes up for its 'downfalls' in a million other ways. I certainly would not switch now, I just hope that Google, HTC and all the freelance Dev's keep up their amazing work.
One final word: I'd still like to Sync with Bluetooth though!
This is not just a cool feature, it is an expected feature. To have a smartphone released without that is ridiculous, in this day and age. Unlike Apple, who have ideological reasons why they dont want it, I dont believe that Google have any reason; it is just a massive slip up, probably because they werent thinking globally.
It is the most starred/wanted issue in the Android bug/development list, higher than anything else which shows that it is pretty important to tech- savvy users as well as the average joe who takes it for granted.
People simply expect this standard functionality to be there. I never fail to be embarrassed when someone asks me to bluetooth a photo to their crappy Nokia and I admit I cannot.
I could on my Jam, I could on my Touch, I could on my Diamond, but I cant on my Hero. Pathetic.
bluetooth obex on donut 1.6
hey i have been looking all over for an up to date blog on android obex development. I notice many of you guys are complaining about not having the capability. Look up Medieval software app that is freeware in the Android Market, and also have a webpage. I have used them for windows mobile. I have seen sites where people have created their own stacks and have directions to help you. I would be interested on learning how to actually do this. I know cupcake had a directory and stack for this. I would like to know if any of you know anything for the donut build. Every time I connect to my pc from medieval via my G1, i get this error "Service not found, you can't connect with target device because it lacks of the obex ftp bluetooth service"....oddly however when i linked up this app it allowed a stack to become visible underneath the vista bluetooth properties on the G1 device. it had handset and file transfer which i selected because it wasnt. Actually as im writing this i just checked again to verify the name and now i have another one! Object push! wow. so i will keep you posted. going to try harder. i think this program will work. thanks
Idea
Correct me if I'm wrong but seeing as the Blueooth standard is open and Android is opensource, how much time/effort/cost would it involve in a 3rd party dev like MoDaCo/Cyanogen implementing additional protocols into the BT stack?
A custom ROM with this feature would be an instant hit. I'd make a donation to anyone developing such a feature.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but seeing as the Blueooth standard is open and Android is opensource, how much time/effort/cost would it involve in a 3rd party dev like MoDaCo/Cyanogen implementing additional protocols into the BT stack?
A custom ROM with this feature would be an instant hit. I'd make a donation to anyone developing such a feature.
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Well, it can totally be done. Im pretty sure people have made steps to do this and some 1.5 cupcake roms had support. There is many BT stacks out there and are dependent on the more primitive driver, known as the API. The Kernel is the base framework which is chosen for these Roms. Most rom developers like Cyanogen pick a certain one to fulfill an obligation, ex speed, Hero, experimiental. From what I get on here is that many of the top rom developers dont care much about BT and alot of people are waiting for BT 3.0. So in short i behind what you stated and maybe we could start a donation fund towards a developer that would be willing. Maybe theres already someone out there even! Alot is changing with Android, its exploding.
Hello,
well I think all of you know, that many reviews say, that the call quality of TG01 is pretty bad. They say, that the people that you call with the TG01, don't understand your voice very good etc.
Well it's not clear if it's a hardware or a software issue.
So today I made a test of the hardware. I installed the newest version of Skype mobile on the TG01 and called the Skype test Service. There I could leave a voicemessage and after that I was able to hear my voicemessage.
So I tried that and found that the quality of the microphone isn't very bad. Everything was very clear. No cracking or somethin like that.
So why is the quality in normal calls so bad? I think it could be a software problem. I would be very happy if it would be a software problem, because softwareproblems can be fixed
What do you guys think?
I would like you to try this method, too. I want to know if you make the same experiences with the microphone on skype that I have made.
Best regards,
Manuel
there is already a topic for this
there is more to it then the test you described accounts for like signal being 3g or 2g probably other variables but you test shows good results for software prob which can be proved by results of using srswow
useyourfist said:
there is already a topic for this
there is more to it then the test you described accounts for like signal being 3g or 2g probably other variables i belive there may be some incompatabilty with signals of the phone your calling
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so many people are complaining about this.... but imho no ones actually quantified the problem...
some say it's barely able to function as a phone, others say the call qual is merely degraded...
some say no probs on 3g, others say 2g is best....
most people seem to agree its probably not hardware... the problems is retained on bluetooth... aparently...
some say it's orange... some say it's any 1800gsm network...
i think the majority of people who have unlocked thier phone & moved away from orange have experienced improved results... there's a few posts to this effect over on modaco.com & my own opinion is that my unlocked TG much prefers my work SIM to my orange one... roll on end of contract
trying to post on my tgo1 is annoying you got my post before i finished it lol stupud buttons i agree its got to be software or evil orange hopefully the rumored fix appears soon. i personaly have bad quality all the time so like you roll on end of contract 20months noooooooo
My TG01 ia unlocked and I use it on the o2 network, I had complaints from people i am calling about them not being able to hear me or dropping in and out so the problem is not specific to orange. It is better with a bluetooth headset but still not great.
I am waiting for this rumoured "audio fix" to appear from orange / toshiba or the newer 6.5.3 rom would be nice (wont hold my breath though).
i forgot to mention when i first got tg01 i had loads of problems, anyway went into store and they "tested" it and said it sounded fine i told them what i thought it sounded like trying to talk through two tin cans with a string,
manager at store said thats just what tg01s sound like htere is nothing that we can do, no refund as its classed as being in the design of the phone not an actual fault. i am going to start a down with orange group lol
if I ring someone from my orange sim, hang up swap to my tmuk sim and ring them back they tell its like i'm on a diff phone....
You sure you're not using a different phone?!
I can't honestly see why that should make a difference, phone-side, as TMob and Orange operate on the same frequency band - I suppose it could be through the voice-compression systems used at the cells and downlinks though.
The way to test this, would be to try a test-call using both your Orange and TMobile SIMs in a different handset - see how it goes.
I've found the 'listening' quality of the TG01 pretty poor, I have to admit, but having spent years listening to, and diagnosing audio systems small and (very) large, what I'm hearing is definitely a limitation of the speaker / amplifier, rather than codec / software issue.
if I ring someone from my orange sim, hang up swap to my tmuk sim and ring them back they tell its like i'm on a diff phone....
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This could point to an issue with one of the bands that the phone uses causing the problem like the 3g band. I have read other posts saying they dont have an issue when the phone is forced to GSM mode.
I have the problem both with the orange sim that came with the phone and also my contract o2 sim. This leads me to believe that the problem doesn't lie with the operator but with the actual phone itself. It could be hardware but most likely software as most people are saying.
Lets hope they release this blinking fix soon before i get rid of it and get an android phone. Had windows mobiles for the past 6 years and have put up with things not working because basically there wasn't an alternative that could match what the windows platform could. Now there is so unless something drastic happens on the windows mobile front there will be a lot people leaving and going to alternative platforms.
orange and tmobile are the same company as of a few months ago so i will avoid them both now. its such a shame tg01 has this problem i will have to find out what network the people that complain to me about how i sound are on (as some say i sound fine) as its an interesting therory about signals ect
Some news again:
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Dear Manuel
Thank you for contacting Toshiba Mobile Communications.
Toshiba currently negotiating with the network operators in order to release new software to resolve the audio issue. Unfortunately, we cannot do anything until this approval is been given.
Please do not hesitate to contact us again for further assistance and use the reference number found in the subject field for all enquiries.
Best Regards,
Toshiba Mobile Communications,
T: 008000 505 2006 - International free phone number
T: 0044 207 111 0990 - Please use this number if your country does not support the free phone number
E: [email protected]
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But I think all of you know, that a software update is planed.
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orange and tmobile are the same company as of a few months ago so i will avoid them both now. its such a shame tg01 has this problem i will have to find out what network the people that complain to me about how i sound are on (as some say i sound fine) as its an interesting therory about signals ect
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i dont think that TMUK & O-UK have combined thier resources yet...
youbrokeit said:
You sure you're not using a different phone?!
I can't honestly see why that should make a difference, phone-side, as TMob and Orange operate on the same frequency band - I suppose it could be through the voice-compression systems used at the cells and downlinks though.
The way to test this, would be to try a test-call using both your Orange and TMobile SIMs in a different handset - see how it goes.
I've found the 'listening' quality of the TG01 pretty poor, I have to admit, but having spent years listening to, and diagnosing audio systems small and (very) large, what I'm hearing is definitely a limitation of the speaker / amplifier, rather than codec / software issue.
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as you say same frequenzy band - but completely different hardware at each end + different infatsructure....
a lot of this is probably location... Orange is terrible where i live at the best of times....
DunkDream said:
Some news again:
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Dear Manuel
Thank you for contacting Toshiba Mobile Communications.
Toshiba currently negotiating with the network operators in order to release new software to resolve the audio issue. Unfortunately, we cannot do anything until this approval is been given.
Please do not hesitate to contact us again for further assistance and use the reference number found in the subject field for all enquiries.
Best Regards,
Toshiba Mobile Communications,
T: 008000 505 2006 - International free phone number
T: 0044 207 111 0990 - Please use this number if your country does not support the free phone number
E: [email protected]
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But I think all of you know, that a software update is planed.
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this (often posted) msg from Toshiba could amount to a number of things...
it could mean
we've developed a fix & are merely waiting for the carriers to agree distribution terms before we issue it
but it might mean
we dont care - go away. if the carriers start saying there's a problem & they're prepared to pay us development costs then we'll consider lifting a finger to find a fix, but we're a bit busy developing other products at the moment so if you don't like waiting, we suggest you get a iphone
or anything in between.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's worth noting that Japan doesn't use GSM, so they may not be that ofey with designing for it....
I still just want to clarify what exactly the problem is....
Like I said earlier
To many people are describing varying degrees of severity, against far to many variables
We’ve read them all... "this phone's shjt, its ok on 3g, its best on 2g, its orange, it's the 1800gsm band, its hardware, its software blah blah
To meaningfully get to the bottom of this we really need to pool resources, conduct some testing & arrive at what the precise problem is we're experiencing...
After all if everybody is correct about the problems their having... then all this serves to demonstrate is that TG01s are leaving the factory with a myriad of different problems, suggesting a woeful lack quality control....
...........which would be very unlikely from someone like Toshiba....
My own €0.02 ???
Orange is pathetic in my area.
I can only get 2g signal. On my Nokia 2600 I had to go into the garden to get any telephony at all.
My TG at least works in the house.
When I use the TG I can be heard fairly well - with the occasional ''can you repeat that mate, you broke up a bit' from the person on the other end of the line...
When I put in the T-Mobile SIM call quality is vastly improved....
....based on the above I THINK that
- The TG01 isn't a bad unit - perhaps just not as good as some of the other WM devices...
- The majority of MY call quality issues are caused by the orange signal in my area
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Reading this forum RE the (apparently divine, can do no wrong) HTC HD2 didn't that arrive with dodgy call quality & the xda boffins had to make a selection of revised radios to get the quality people expected?
Cheers - sorry for the long one !!!
Adam
I still just want to clarify what exactly the problem is....
Like I said earlier
To many people are describing varying degrees of severity, against far to many variables
We’ve read them all... "this phone's shjt, its ok on 3g, its best on 2g, its orange, it's the 1800gsm band, its hardware, its software blah blah
To meaningfully get to the bottom of this we really need to pool resources, conduct some testing & arrive at what the precise problem is we're experiencing...
After all if everybody is correct about the problems their having... then all this serves to demonstrate is that TG01s are leaving the factory with a myriad of different problems, suggesting a woeful lack quality control....
...........which would be very unlikely from someone like Toshiba....
My own €0.02 ???
Orange is pathetic in my area.
I can only get 2g signal. On my Nokia 2600 I had to go into the garden to get any telephony at all.
My TG at least works in the house.
When I use the TG I can be heard fairly well - with the occasional ''can you repeat that mate, you broke up a bit' from the person on the other end of the line...
When I put in the T-Mobile SIM call quality is vastly improved....
....based on the above I THINK that
- The TG01 isn't a bad unit - perhaps just not as good as some of the other WM devices...
- The majority of MY call quality issues are caused by the orange signal in my area
.........................
Reading this forum RE the (apparently divine, can do no wrong) HTC HD2 didn't that arrive with dodgy call quality & the xda boffins had to make a selection of revised radios to get the quality people expected?
Cheers - sorry for the long one !!!
Adam
youbrokeit said:
I've found the 'listening' quality of the TG01 pretty poor, I have to admit, but having spent years listening to, and diagnosing audio systems small and (very) large, what I'm hearing is definitely a limitation of the speaker / amplifier, rather than codec / software issue.
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sorry to be thick - but are you saying you think the problem is caused by the physical speaker (microphone) or by the amplification method the phone uses to boost sound output?
if this is what you're saying, then what do you think the fix is? (a different speaker?)
forgive my ignorance but i thought the problem was still edvident when using a BT device, so doesn't this rule out hardware altogther?
Sorry if i'm being thick... !!!
cheers
My dad is getting problems with poor audio, he often gets people asking "what did you say", when he can hear them clearly. The signal in our house is usually 4/5 bars of 2G with occasional 3G coverage in places.
He's getting fed up with it so I hope there is a fix coming because otherwise it's a decent phone bar the poor battery life.
eddybrown said:
My dad is getting problems with poor audio, he often gets people asking "what did you say", when he can hear them clearly.
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This may sound really strange (and it's based on something somebody said on another forum) but ...
The microphone on the TG01 is at the bottom left of the screen. Can you ask your father to ensure that he is talking directly into the microphone and see if it makes any difference?
This may sound really strange (and it's based on something somebody said on another forum) but ...
The microphone on the TG01 is at the bottom left of the screen. Can you ask your father to ensure that he is talking directly into the microphone and see if it makes any difference?
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Doubt it has anything to do with the microphone as it happens with a bluetooth ear piece as well.