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Hi all,
recently i upgrade my Tytn to last rom available here. I´m a bit disapoiting about this upgrade so i´m considering the possibility to roll-back to original rom.
Since last upgrade change my bootloader to 1.09 and my original was 1.04, to roll-back i just have to run rom package or i have to do something before the downgrade?
Thanks in advance
phariseu said:
Hi all,
recently i upgrade my Tytn to last rom available here. I´m a bit disapoiting about this upgrade so i´m considering the possibility to roll-back to original rom.
Since last upgrade change my bootloader to 1.09 and my original was 1.04, to roll-back i just have to run rom package or i have to do something before the downgrade?
Thanks in advance
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Can you tell the inital and upgraded ROM / Bootloader versions ?
Hi,
I had this package:
ROM - 1.18.255.3 07/22/06
ExtROM - 1.18.255.106
Radio - 1.03.03.10
Bootloader - 1.04
and i instaled last one available here.
Rom - 1.35.255.2 11/14/06
Bootloader - 1.09
(....)
Let me say that i bought my Tytn "free" unlock. I have no problem about this issue.
Is there any problem instaling original package? Bootlader turns again to 1.04 or remains 1.09?
Thanks in advance
i think you still can downgrade it to the original rom version as the CID is the same, but the bootloader should remain 1.09. here's a quote from the wiki.
Bootloader 1.09 DOES NOT allow DOWNGRADING of itself by means of flashing earlier ROMs. Once installed it is IMPOSSIBLE to DOWNGRADE SPL 1.09 to 1.06 or 1.04 by regular means!
harryk1372 said:
i think you still can downgrade it to the original rom version as the CID is the same, but the bootloader should remain 1.09. here's a quote from the wiki.
Bootloader 1.09 DOES NOT allow DOWNGRADING of itself by means of flashing earlier ROMs. Once installed it is IMPOSSIBLE to DOWNGRADE SPL 1.09 to 1.06 or 1.04 by regular means!
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doesn't making the device SuperCID fix this problem?
[edit] and by problem, I don't mean getting 1.04 back, I mean there's really no point since you can flash any ROM you wish anyway, and I'm seriously asking cause I'm not sure [/edit]
diseage said:
doesn't making the device SuperCID fix this problem?
[edit] and by problem, I don't mean getting 1.04 back, I mean there's really no point since you can flash any ROM you wish anyway, and I'm seriously asking cause I'm not sure [/edit]
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yes, if your device is supercid, you can flash the roms from different vendors. what is recommended for all is making the device supercid while you are still at the bootloader 1.04. if your device was made supercid while you had the original rom with the bootloader 1.04, you shouldn't have any problems with flashing whichever rom although the bottloader will remain 1.09 in your case.
You can flash any ROM that matches your CID. If you have SuperCID you can flash every ROM. The bootloader will remain 1.09 though.
Guys, how do I dump the SPL, IPL, Bootloader, radio ROM and Radio bootloader version?
I will use the unlocker to unlock the TYTN but then I want to roll back to the default version numbers that I have. I dont want it to stay with the HardSPL or with the newer Radio.
Thanks
Have you ever try to use the search function first? ...or just read the Wiki?...here are the how to...but next time read the wiki first!
Regards,
Primoz
Guys, it starting to get boring.
On every question asked, you send to RTFM.
Maybe, just MAYBE, I already READ everything and I STILL (!!!) have a question? Maybe I'm not as stupid as you think? Maybe the guides are NOT (?!?!!) 100% perfect?
To the subject; I did dumo the ROM. However, as I understand (FROM the guide), it DID NOT dump the SPL and the radio (or the bootloader and the Radio bootloader).
Please confirm that it DID extract everything and that if I'll burn it back to the device it will be 100% the same as it now.
Also, if I first use the unlocker, and then burn back the original radio, will it get locked again?
knfevg said:
Guys, how do I dump the SPL, IPL, Bootloader, radio ROM and Radio bootloader version?
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You don't need to dump that, every version is available as a shipped upgrade so you can extract it from there and flash it later if you need it for warranty reasons.
knfevg said:
I will use the unlocker to unlock the TYTN but then I want to roll back to the default version numbers that I have. I dont want it to stay with the HardSPL or with the newer Radio.
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Most probably your rom is available as a shipped NBH, just flashing it will lead your device to the original rom. The only thing you can't do is go from htc_boot 0108 to htc_boot 0106, so make sure you don't upgrade to a very new radio if you want to be able to go back to your original radio if it has a 0106 radio bootloader.
knfevg said:
To the subject; I did dumo the ROM. However, as I understand (FROM the guide), it DID NOT dump the SPL and the radio (or the bootloader and the Radio bootloader).
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Following the guide, you've only dumped the OS part of the rom.
knfevg said:
Please confirm that it DID extract everything and that if I'll burn it back to the device it will be 100% the same as it now.
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Tell us how it is now.
knfevg said:
Also, if I first use the unlocker, and then burn back the original radio, will it get locked again?
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no.
POF, you are THE GOD!!! Thanks, finally someone HELPS!!
Ok, here are the clarifications:
1. How do I check the htc_boot version? I have the 106 SPL so I can’t launch the Radio loader from there....
2. If I dumped only the OS part I guess I should dump the rest too. How do I do that and how do I make the "burnable" afterwards?
3. Here is the current "setup":
The device is Orange branded. It’s exactly as described under "Hermes versions" in Wiki for Orange-Israel:
Israel Versions
HERM200 Orange IL HTC TyTN Israel QWERTY Locked OS 5.1.195 (Build 14955.2.3.0) 1.18.255.3 07/22/06 WWE 1.18.255.112 1.03.03.10 32.34.7010.01H
The SPL is 1.06 and IPL is 1.01. I have no idea how to check the HTC_BOOT version.
There is an Orange boot logo.
Guess that is. Thanks once again
knfevg said:
1. How do I check the htc_boot version? I have the 106 SPL so I can’t launch the Radio loader from there....
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You should use a SPL based on 1.01 or 1.04 to use 'rtask' and access the radio, you can either flash it or use SSPL to load the NB without flashing. Anyway you don't need to do that, radio 1.03.03.10 has htc_boot 0106.
knfevg said:
2. If I dumped only the OS part I guess I should dump the rest too. How do I do that and how do I make the "burnable" afterwards?
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You don't need to dump the rest. See later.
knfevg said:
3. Here is the current "setup":
HERM200 Orange IL HTC TyTN Israel QWERTY Locked OS 5.1.195 (Build 14955.2.3.0) 1.18.255.3 07/22/06 WWE 1.18.255.112 1.03.03.10 32.34.7010.01H
The SPL is 1.06 and IPL is 1.01.
There is an Orange boot logo.
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A full shipped NBH consists on 7 parts: IPL, SPL, MainSplash, SubSplash, Radio, ExtROM and OS.
See the hermes shipped upgrades wiki page. Use nbhextract to separate the NBH into rom parts.
Download any orange ROM to get your MainSplash.nb & SubSplash.nb (boot logo as you say).
Download any rom with IPL-1.01 & SPL-1.06 to get IPL.nb & SPL.nb
Download any rom with radio 1.03.03.10 to get GSM.nb
Unhide your ExtROM to get the files in Extended ROM, then create ExtROM.nb using ExtROM image editor.
Reconstruct the OS.nb using the instructions on wiki (see trinity wiki also)
Finally, create a NBH using nbhgen, and package it with CustomRUU to be able to flash it pushing SSPL.
Make sure you don't upgrade to any radio with htc_boot 0108, otherwise you'll never be able to flash your original radio again.
Hope it's clear
Thanks POF. PERFECT!!!!
Maybe a Wiki should be made for this as I notice alot of people asking on how to go back to the original state of their device?
tnx in advance
sir POF i did want to get the original state of my device for warranty purpose..
I tried everything i can.. i read a lot.. still confusing me.. I did encountered No GSM, the phone dont boot..
I run WM6 Cooked rom before..
heres my device now...
Dopod 838 pro Asia
ORIGINAL
ROM 1.23.707.4
07/21/06 WM5
RADIO 1.06.00.10
PROTOCOL 32.37.7010.01H
OS BUILD 14955.2.3.0
AKU 2.3
SPL 1.04
HTC BOOT 106
IPL ?
NOW RUNNING
WM5
ROM 1.23.707.4
07/21/06
RADIO 1.40.30.00
32.73.7020.16H
OS BUILD 14955.2.3.0
SPL OLIPRO 2.10
IPL 1.04
AKU ?
HTC BOOT ? dnt know if it changed
Ive read ur message.. I just want a simple question...
BASED on the data above is it possible to bring back the device on its
original state specially the radio and SPL ?
TNX in advance..
Im willing to research again if yes..
I have SPL - 2.10 Olipro. I am trying the various Boot Roms starting from 1.41 backwards as someone recommended in some other thread.
But I need to run SSPL before or I get an Error why does that happen why can't the SSPL of the ROM upgrade check and do the needful.
Secondly I want to revert back to SPL-1.04 or 1.09 is it possible. If yes please tell me how. If it is detailed in some other thread please tell me the thread details and oblige.
THANKS IN ADVANCE.
tonetagabaler said:
BASED on the data above is it possible to bring back the device on its original state specially the radio and SPL ?
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Radio no (you cant go back from htc_boot 0108 to 0106), SPL and rest of rom parts yes, it's possible to return to original state.
hsanghavi said:
I want to revert back to SPL-1.04 or 1.09 is it possible. If yes please tell me how. If it is detailed in some other thread please tell me the thread details and oblige.
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Read the HardSPL sticky thread.
I tired but could not locate the Hard SPL thread can you please tell me where to find it.
THANKS.
Dear Community, Dear Experts, Dear Gurus ,
I am hoping for your help. Unfortuntately the Speaker in my HTC TyTn died
and I need to send back the TYTN to the service center in order to get most likely the speaker replaced ( dead ).
Here my isue:
I want to flash the original stock rom, which is:
RUU_Hermes_1.18.257.2_1.18.257.106_1.03.03.10_Qtek_GER_Ship.exe
I have running now and downgraded from WM6 to WM5:
HTC_BOOT HERM200 IPL-1.04 SPL-2.10.Olipro ->>> not OK :-(
ROM HTC German QTEK_102 1.18.257.2 05/30/06 ->>> OK
EXTROM 1.18.257.106 ->>> OK
RadioRom 1.41.00.10 ->>> not OK :-(
Protocol 32.34.7010.01H ->>> OK
OS Build 14955.2.3.0 ->>> OK
AKU 2.3 ->>> OK
The issue is now, how can I restore the original bootloader ? I can only
flash the rom with the RUUWrapper, the result of flashing the original stock
rom is then, that I am still stuck with the modified bootloader and a corrupted
radio rom. Radio Rom was "fixed" by me by flashing the latest version.
If I would try to use the original flasher I would always get an Update Error [260].
So what can I do to resotre the HTC TyTn to its original status, so that the warranty is not voided ... original stock bootloader, radio rom image and so on.
Thanks a lot and hoping for your support, since I am realy lost here.
Sbrani
grab sspl (soft spl) and use that to flash a stock bootloader only.
as far as i know you cannot downgrade the radio due to it being bootloader 0108 variant, but not having a hermes i might be wrong
You can restore the original SPL bootloader by using SSPL but you will not be able to downgrade the Radio as the original has HTC_BOOT 0106.
You have already checked these guys that they haven't released an update?
First of all, thanks a lot for replying, but still the question is, how I can get rid of the HERM200 IPL-1.04 SPL-2.10.Olipro Bootloader. I would need to downgrade once again to the original HTC bootlader 106. As long as I have the other one, I will always end up, with a non working radio rom, since this stone old radio rom is not compatible with the new "IPL-1.04 SPL-2.10" bootlader. Any further Ideas ? Anyway the sspl (soft spl) did the trick and was able to flash orignal rom, but unfortunately with the same result, still not the original bootloader and the radio rom is now again corrupted :-(.
The bootloader hindering you from downgrading to the original radio is not the IPL/SPL combo but instead the built-in bootloader of the radio itself. Read more in the Wiki.
To put back your original SPL loader, use NBHextract to extract the SPL image from the ROM update file you used to downgrade the other bits in your phone, then use NBHgen to create an update file containing only the SPL and then use SSPL for the update.
Hey great support here ! Finally I also managed to restore the original bootloader, which is HERM200 IPL-1.00 HERM200 SPL-1.04. Now I only have to get the original radio rom running. Thanks a lot, seems that I can think now of actually reaching the final goal. I learned a lot. Great community !!!
You're missing the point about the radio. Let me repeat:
You can't install the original radio ROM. You will brick the phone!
abubasim is right, you have htc_boot 0108, so you can only flash radios with htc_boot 0107 or 0108, but not 0106. Your original radio has 0106, so if you flash it you'll get a NoGSM error and a bricked phone.
about downgrading to WM5
pof said:
abubasim is right, you have htc_boot 0108, so you can only flash radios with htc_boot 0107 or 0108,
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Well Pof, abubasim, Couldn’t sbrani downgrade the radio with custom RUU to his own original Rom Radio first?? (almost the official known Radio is 1.38) then following your description. At that time he gone have WM5 Rom and same Radio as original, I just wondering if u can du like this
Don't worry guys I bricked several times now the radio rom . It's just that it is then extra work. I will keep you updated, as soon I have news, for now I can't see anymore those "upgrading" tools. I will try it again tomorrow.
you where able to unbrick because you had HardSPL, but now you have SPL-1.04 which will not allow you to flash unsigned code.
By the way, did anybody have experience with HTC or better to say HTC Serivce Providers. As far as I know I have to send it to Teleservice in Germany. Are they realy checking the installed rom ? Thanks for the info.
Ok, I made it finally, I will post exactly how I did it, maybe it helps someone who will be in the same situation.
Thanks once again, great SUPPORT !!
Sure you'd HELP me!
Hi there,
Hi Sbrani, I'm in the exactly same situation: HTC TYTN (Orange France) without speaker... and needing to go to french HTC support.
I upgraded both ROM and Radio to the latest versions following step by step the tutorial found here and on mr (???) on its website (very well done by the way).
Sbrani, Please could you help me to restore as you did, my factory defaults?
Regards
Fly
Can you give more facts ? Pls look into my first thread and put down the infos. Thx
Guideline: How to downgrade to an original rom
Ok here we go this is how I solved this issue.
First you need to understand the difference between a normal SPL
and the modified SPls, which you can get here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296722
A standard SPL will not accept any unsigned code !
In case you bricked it already look here :
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Unbrick
1. you need to figure out, which radio rom matches your rom you want to flash, otherwise you end up with a bricked radio rom or even totally bricked,
if you have a standard SPL.
2.Please check it here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Upgrades
for the roms
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_ExtractedRadioRoms
for the radio roms
3.Looking at my ROM, which I needed I flashed 1.10 - Olipro SPL - based on 1.04,
I flashed it by using SSPL.
4.I flashed then the needed the radio rom
which was Radio upgrade only using CustomRUU 4.3 V 1.38.30.10
5.I used then Custom RUU Updater flashing the needed rom,
but without the included radio rom.
Costum RUU Updater you can find here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_CustomRUU
extracting and modifying is explained here:
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=27
actually it is an how to downgrade from WM6 to WM6.
Please have a close look on how to extract the rom and how to create a
costum rom, which will fit your needs. The self made rom,
should then include the original IPL and SPL loader.
I finally used again SSPL to flash the self cooked rom.
Sorry if the guide is not very precise or not correct at all !!
Everybody is welcome to correct me and to finetune this guide.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, please read the HERMES WIKI, it was a great help for me !!
Thank you!
You deserve a Very Very Warm thank you!
I'll try all you advised me this week-end.
Regards,
FlY
it's very good already. i think you should get it incorporated into MrVanx's guide as a downgrade for servicing section
Thanks for your guide sbrani, I have not had to downgrade yet, but it something that is in the back of my mind as I know it will be very difficult if I ever need to.
I would also second the comment that I would be very grateful to MrVanx if he wrote a general guide on how to return to factory condition , as it is much more involved than upgrading. It's one thing to flash a phone, a totally different thing to customise a ROM update in order to only flash a specified portion.
@sbrani:
What version is your radio ROM at now? 1.03.03.10 or 1.38.30.10?
Hi guys I need to downgrade for warranty reasons (Vibrate stopped working)
I have been looking through mrvanx guide and it mentions
"SPL 1.04 (includes IPL 1.00) SPL 1.06 (includes IPL 1.01)"
The thing is my SPL was 1.04 and IPL 1.01 which seems to be a mix of the above !
my Radio version 1.05.05.00 but this is also not on the wiki.
Here are my phone details before
IPL-1.01
SPL-1.04
Rom version 1.21.110.3
Rom date 06/19/06
Radio version 1.05.05.00
protocol version 32.36.7010.04H
Will I need to get the exact same radio and rom version with rom date
or you think its possible they will over look these details aslong as WM5 and an early radio rom is flashed?
Thanks for any advice, Chris.
I really doubt that they would catch it as long as you have wm5. But, if they do, then just play dumb or try another store.
Thanks, I'll try that is there any risks when downgrading or uninstall HardSPL v7 ?
Once my phone had SPL 1.04 on it (after downgrading via MrVanx's method), I flashed the official rom from my carrier, and it returned me to the factory settings. One note, my phone is super CID.
The only T Mobile WM5 rom I can see is the Hungarian one in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=287338
will this one be ok for t mobile uk ?
The one from hungary is the only t-mob WM5 i know of. You can also search for a dumped one and reconstruct it.
one note: do not flash radio with htc_boot less than 0107 or you'll brick it, as for your signature you have htc_boot 0108 now.
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The one from hungary is the only t-mob WM5 i know of. You can also search for a dumped one and reconstruct it.
one note: do not flash radio with htc_boot less than 0107 or you'll brick it, as for your signature you have htc_boot 0108 now.
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Thanks for the advice I will deffentley do alot of reading before I downgrade.
So htc_boot less than 0107, does that mean 0107 are ok nothing lower or stick with htc_boot 0108 ?
I have no idea how to reconstruct a dumped rom so ill have to flash the hungay one.
0107 is ok, but nothing lower. To reconstruct a dumped rom, read the wiki
I Know i am being noobish,but to learn more i need to put questions like this to you guys.Hope that i will get sufficient help from you guys.
I need to downgrade to imate full shipped wm5 rom for some reason.I have selected the rom i wish to download.
i-mate English CDL__001 1.31.305.2 09/08/06 1.31.305.104 1.38.30.10 32.71.7020.12H 14955.2.3.0 2.3 1.11 108
I am currently using Olipro Hard spl V7 with TnT rom and 1.54 radio varient.
I wish to do full degrade,rom as well as radio.
Any Body guide me through this tricky process,i consulted mr.vanx guides but that degrades only the os part but i want a full degrade.
mrvanx's guide for downgrad is quite straightforward. If you look at it, you should understand that by dowgrading 2.10.Olipro to 1.10.Olipro, you will have a base which will allow itself to be downgraded to shipped SPL. Forget doing anything with radio or OS at this point, you don't need to.
AFTER you have 1.10.Olipro visualy CONFIRMED on the BL screen, flash your desired ROM. Make sure, your radio BL is 108 ( which it seems).
OK ,
1- I should degrade 2.10 olipro to 1.10 olipro
2-I just flash the shipped wm5 rom i downloaded
Am i right?
max414 said:
OK ,
1- I should degrade 2.10 olipro to 1.10 olipro
2-I just flash the shipped wm5 rom i downloaded
Am i right?
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That will do it.
Will that degrade my radio as well as spl?
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Will that degrade my radio as well as spl?
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It will. Just make sure that the radio BL version is the same (108 I believe). From other posts and Wiki, you can read that you can downgrade radio BL from 108 to 107 but NOT BELOW THAT. Or you will brick your phone. So I would recomend staying with BL 108. Anything up from 1.33 based on the wiki list.
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It will. Just make sure that the radio BL version is the same (108 I believe). From other posts and Wiki, you can read that you can downgrade radio BL from 108 to 107 but NOT BELOW THAT. Or you will brick your phone. So I would recomend staying with BL 108. Anything up from 1.33 based on the wiki list.
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Will 1.10 olipro do the job?or do i need to degrade to retail spl like spl 1.04 or spl 1.06?As stated here...
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=27
max414 said:
Will 1.10 olipro do the job?or do i need to degrade to retail spl like spl 1.04 or spl 1.06?As stated here...
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=27
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As I said in post #2, you don't need to. Flashing shipped on top of 1.10.Olipro WILL reflash the SPL! Read it again.