Hi im a relative newbie to the forum and have seen threads about upgrading my WM5 to a new Rom? version of WM6 but I have some basic questions which dont seem to be covered.
1. What exactly is a ROM upgrade?
2. The thread I saw for rom upgrade had several different version of WM6, Im totally confused about which one to use?
3. Will I be able to revert back to my working WM5 with a hard reset if I dont like the upgrade or it goes wrong?
4. Are there any risks associated with upgrading to WM6?
5. What does 'radio' mean? (as in my system info below)?
Sorry for seemingly basic question but hope someone can help.
Thanks
Al
My current phone details are;
TMobile Vario 2
WM5
Rom version: 1.21.110.3
Rom date: 6/19/06
Radio version: 1.05.05.00
Protocol version: 32.36.7010.04H
Mate.
Im going to say this alot nice than most people.
Read the wiki
Read the forums
Read the wiki
and o yeah .
READ THE WIKI.
Alll your answers are there, this can be a very expensive way to get a paper weight.
Then post more specific questions.
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Welcome!!
You will find all the answers here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
And here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299462
qbaser said:
1. What exactly is a ROM upgrade?
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Changing the "firmware" in your hermes, generally to an higher/newer/better version. There are several parts in a rom, bootloader, OS, radio, extrom, etc... you can choose if you want to upgrade them all or only some parts.
qbaser said:
2. The thread I saw for rom upgrade had several different version of WM6, Im totally confused about which one to use?
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You should read more before attempting to upgrade then.
qbaser said:
3. Will I be able to revert back to my working WM5 with a hard reset if I dont like the upgrade or it goes wrong?
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no, you'll have to flash the t-mobile rom (available in the wiki) to go back to what you have now. Some parts will not be reversible depending on what you upgrade, read more below.
qbaser said:
4. Are there any risks associated with upgrading to WM6?
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Yes, too many to list them, read through the hardSPL & bricked devices thread and you'll see.
qbaser said:
5. What does 'radio' mean? (as in my system info below)?
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The radio is a separate subsystem on your hermes which handles the GSM communication part of the device.
You have radio 1.05 which has radio bootloader 0106 (very old). If you upgrade to a radio with radio bootloader 0108 you will not be able to flash back your original radio, you'll get a No-GSM error which will make your device a brick unless you have HardSPL on it. You can safely upgrade to radios with radio bootloader 0107 and then go back to your original radio without problems.
Well Ive just read the wiki upgrading for begginers guide as well as the "common upgrading problems". ...and im very panicky about doing the upgrade. (even should I do everything by the book it could still be a brick from what I read).
qbaser said:
Well Ive just read the wiki upgrading for begginers guide as well as the "common upgrading problems". ...and im very panicky about doing the upgrade. (even should I do everything by the book it could still be a brick from what I read).
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Well, if you flash Olipro's Hard SPL you are more protected from a bad flash than if you don't. But yes, flashing unofficial roms always has the potential to "brick" your device, and your carrier will make you pay for repair or replacement if they detect that you have non-standard components flashed into your phone.
If you follow all the instructions and solutions provided here by the knowledgeable ones you will most likely not have any problems. If you skip steps or don't heed their advice you could end up with an expensive paper weight.
if you're not yet comfortable upgrading, read some more and ask some more questions. don't rush it.
ask more questions?? I was fired down by my initial post (by some!), how dare I ask any more questions?
You will be fired down again if you prove in your post you have not read the basics... you'll not be fired down if your post shows you've already read something and know what you're talking about. The forums are here for asking, so don't be afraid if you have read, searched and don't find the answers to your question.
OK thanks POF., ii accept that.
Well, I think im sticking with WM5. its just too riscky the thought of having a brick when I have a house made of them already.
Al
Just to let you know, I was pretty hesitant to upgrade for a while there as well. I had the stock HTC 7/22/06 ROM on my phone, and I was getting tired of having to reboot it every day or two after it wouldn't turn on or would lock up.
I upgraded to Black 2.0 Cingular edition 2 days ago (I'm on Cingular). I followed the directions posted on this website: http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=26
I flashed to HardSPL, no problem, by downloading the files he indicated and following instructions to the letter.
Then I proceeded to upgrade radio, and had an odd thing happen - the upgrade program did not recognize the SPL that I had put it - so I forced HardSPL for both radio and ROM upgrades (separate steps) and it worked fine.
Now my device seems very stable, radio reception is good, battery life is good, and it's relatively speedy, but I admit I haven't had a week or two yet to really see how it works over time. The speed difference from WM5 to WM6 is not quite so amazing ... menus go a little faster, reading from directories is faster, but reading emails in the new HTML email reader is actually a little slower, and the calendar has a new time-bar overview that makes it just a touch slower. The new version of Pocket Informant runs great thought, and pretty speedy.
Rom Version: Pro Black 2.0
Rom Date 1/4/07
Radio Version: 1.40.30.00
Protocol Version: 32.73.7020.16H
The more you read and understand the more comfortable you will feel with the process.
Yes, there are horror stories in these threads but the vast majority are the result of people flashing a rom without doing their homework first.
Read the threads on the various roms and see what the people who have already flashed are saying. Study the guides and understand everything that is talked about in them.
There are no guarantees in this hobby, but the cooks turn out some very reliable roms and the the guides are very well written and easy to follow.
The folks here are very helpful if you have tried to help yourself first. The "venting" that sometimes occurs is because it gets tiring to read the same basic questions day in and day out when those questions have already been answered dozens of times.
If you do have a problem, and your question shows that you have done things right and have already tried to solve it yourself, and you provide good information about the problem then the folks here will gladly assist you in trying to solve it.
qbaser said:
OK thanks POF., ii accept that.
Well, I think im sticking with WM5. its just too riscky the thought of having a brick when I have a house made of them already.
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If you depend on the phone, like for work or personal communications, and can't stand to be without it, I strongly recommend you stick with the ROM's your carrier puts out. WM6 is still iffy -- it's not really ready for prime time on the Hermes/TyTN's yet. It works, mostly, but there are still some really weird things that will occasionally happen.
Most carriers will be putting WM6 out within the next few months; if you can wait for stable carrier tested and supported software...
Otherwise, welcome. Follow the instructions, step by step, focus on HardSPL first. Oh, and a helpful hint -- don't let anyone near your phone while it's flashing. If that USB cable falls out, you can toast your phone (I learned this the expensive way).
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ROFL! LMAO
qbaser said:
OK thanks POF., ii accept that.
Well, I think im sticking with WM5. its just too riscky the thought of having a brick when I have a house made of them already.
Al
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LOL....fair enough!
The reason we get a bit touchy on here when these sorts of questions have been asked is because alot of this information has been made readily available by pof, olipro,walshy etc.... (you know who you are!) yet some users decide to not bother reading it then come back moaning when they brick thier device!!
Its most likely you will go without bricking your device if you dont steam into flashing when you havent quite read up and understood everything yet
My guides are there to help you through upgrading a ROM successfully however what I would suggest is that you DEFINATLY follow THIS GUIDE to flash olipros Modified bootloader (HardSPL) to your device, this is the first step to safeguarding your Hermes against a dodgy flash and will quite easily save you from sending the device back if there is a problem. You can do this without worrying as it is a simple procedure if you follow the guide exactly.
The next step could be to upgrade your Radio version which again is described in THIS GUIDE. Once you have done those give your device a test for a few days and see if it has improved at all (your GSM/3G reception SHOULD be better and more stable with the new radio).
The ROM you are running is quite a dated one, since HTC hasnt released any roms (officially ) but there are some upgrade options aailable to you that dont involve going all the way to WM6. Id recommend reading through the guides and following the threads mentioned, give them two upgrade stages a shot (do them in the order i specify though) and you should be on your way to earning your first flashing badge
qbaser said:
OK thanks POF., ii accept that.
Well, I think im sticking with WM5. its just too riscky the thought of having a brick when I have a house made of them already.
Al
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Flash Hard-SPL... the only way you will then be able to brick your phone then is if you flash a new radio and somehow time it to pull out the cable when the Radio BL updates.
you'll be just fine, just read the ****ing wiki
qbaser said:
ask more questions?? I was fired down by my initial post (by some!), how dare I ask any more questions?
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We all started as beginners, but sometimes (mwa..ALWAYS) you need to read first before you ask any questions..
Lets just say..its not that hard to upgrade your device..but you need all the info/wisdom you can get.. so..read first (WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI) and than ask..
And welcome!
Thanks everyone for your support. THink someone said if I use it for busines (which I do) then I ought to stick with the phone as it is. I know I can read up but, to me, SPL is a dodgy, talentless football league in Scotland. Nuff said.
Village Idiot signing out.
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does it take off everything that is on the rommy thingy?...or what...and f i want to just install it do i have to cid unlock?...( i got aa g3 now) or do i shelltool it...
lets say im going to download farias real thing...to get everything do i install it regular...or shelltool it?
From your questions, you really shouldn't be doing anything with your phone before reading the wiki on this and taking some time to read the forums a bit closer.
i didnt ask that...if u cant answer my question just say so,,,thanks for trying
TaurusBullba wasnt being mean. TaurusBullba was pointing out a few honest truths.
Hypothetically speaking, if someone doesnt know what shelltool does, despite their being a thread with almost 300 posts on using the shelltool then they are obviously not ready to flash anything yet. Furthermore if someone doesnt know which devices the shelltool is designed for then they have again demonstrated that they are not ready to flash their expensive device.
Do as TaurusBullba said and be thankful someone took the time to answer your question in a civil manner.
killacam13 said:
does it take off everything that is on the rommy thingy?...or what...and f i want to just install it do i have to cid unlock?...( i got aa g3 now) or do i shelltool it...
lets say im going to download farias real thing...to get everything do i install it regular...or shelltool it?
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Just CID unlock your G3, you dont need shell tools for that.
i dont want to cid unlock it..and i cant...hence the reason im using shell tools...i have read the thread before but was looking for clarification...sorry for asking...and the fact that there are 300 posts makes it even easier for some1 not 2 read all the posts...to get all the information...i ditnt think anyone would read all the post to make sure there perfect with it..hence the reason all people can make threads...to post finds...and questions...and again i say...i cant cid unlock my device...does it take off everything that is on the rom?...or what...and if i want to just install the rom the regular way do i have to cid unlock?...( i have a g3 now) or do i shelltool it...lets say im going to use farias real thing...to get everything on the rom do i install it regularly...or shelltool it?
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CID unlock your phone and install the normal way. There isnt much point using shelltools with a G3 when you can just unlock it.
killacam13 said:
and the fact that there are 300 posts makes it even easier for some1 not 2 read all the posts...to get all the information...i ditnt think anyone would read all the post to make sure there perfect with it..hence the reason all people can make threads...to post finds...and questions__________________
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The reason some threads are 300+ posts long is because so many topics are covered, so many questions are answered. By reading all the posts in the thread you might find your question is already answered, conversely by not reading all the pages you might miss something very important. For example imagine if someone didnt read the shelltool thread and missed the discussion about the virus version of shelltool, what kind of trouble would they be in then?
so i take it we should read every single page...no thanks
killacam13 said:
so i take it we should read every single page...no thanks
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Just the kind of attitude that leads to you not knowing what shelltools does.
i think asking him to read 300 plus pages of anything is asking too much. And he is right that we all can post threads for a reason. But still most of the info he is seeking can easily be answered by reading the first page of the original shelltools thread.
personally i hate when people say "just unlock it" because people like me who can't void the warranty can't unlock it (i have a g3, but used shelltools to try and keep the warranty) This guy has read enough to know that it doesnt cid unlock your device.
to answer his original question, im pretty sure it just flashes the os and ipl and spl or anything (thats what happened with mine) Ive used nottosmarts and xplore with no problems with it. I say just try it and see if you get the full effect.
I see the users frustration with questions such as this, but this is a forum thats known for the way it is always willing to help a new user out. All we ask is the new user just does some research and not be baby fed.
And killacam even if there is a hint of attitude, they just dont want you to brick your phone, so take take it too much to heart
The issue here is that 99% of the people asking about shelltools are people that shouldn't be flashing their phone. You may be one of the exceptions but the lack of information in your posting about what you do know makes it hard to judge.
The fact is that even shell tool (and any unauthorized tool for that matter), can "brick" your phone and most of the time (read a few threads) people blame the people posting these tools. If you are worried about warranty then you should just be happy with your phone's built in OS.
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The issue here is that 99% of the people asking about shelltools are people that shouldn't be flashing their phone. You may be one of the exceptions but the lack of information in your posting about what you do know makes it hard to judge.
The fact is that even shell tool (and any unauthorized tool for that matter), can "brick" your phone and most of the time (read a few threads) people blame the people posting these tools. If you are worried about warranty then you should just be happy with your phone's built in OS.
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are you talking to me? Why should i be happy with the packaged OS? Why can't i use a workaround that was developed from someone in these forums? In fact, i dont see a reason why anyone wouldn't use shelltools because of the fact that it saves the warranty.
Oh and a lot of programs can brick your phones, even the basic rom update if it's used in the wrong manner. And i don't like the way you went about this post; next time you need help maybe you shouldn't ask it, because that's apparently what you would like everyone else to do. I agree that he shouldnt have looked more at the shelltools thread, but to make a statement about me doesn't make sense.
It's never asking too much of a person to do things if he really wants to do it. Anyway, he doesn't have to read through the whole 300 pages as not every page has the information he needs, just browse through it mate and look for your magic keyword "G3"...
It was worth the 300 pages though, believe me, if I didn't I woundn't be using Core2.0 right now..
i dont think there is a warranty issue here since he wants to upgrade his OS and that would void his warranty (or not?)
the only way to learn is READING and if he doesnt want to read and expect someone else to do it for him thats a bit lazy on your part but here is my advice.....
1)if you can CID unlock your device (if you dont care about your waranty do it) this way you wont have any issues when upgrading to a different ROM
here is a link for some good info about cid unlocking http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/170
or here you will find lokiwiz
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249474
2)if your question is what exacly Shell too does (what it does to the .nbk file) thats a question that you shouldnt be asking since you havent been able to flash a rom and that a question for a more experienced user.
3)read the first page of the Shell too thread that should answer all your questions if not be more specific about what you have done and what you can and cannot do this way we can help you directing you to the treads that might help you
4)and if none of this have help you you can PM me. i have flash several G3 and G4 devices and havent bricked any one of them.
As you can see i dont post as much im more of a Reader (the only way to learn) i usually dont post to ask but to help...thats why this forum is wonderful ...hope i helped in some way if not search....read this forum and google are your best friends
kurtslashmx said:
i dont think there is a warranty issue here since he wants to upgrade his OS and that would void his warranty (or not?)
the only way to learn is READING and if he doesnt want to read and expect someone else to do it for him thats a bit lazy on your part but here is my advice.....
1)if you can CID unlock your device (if you dont care about your waranty do it) this way you wont have any issues when upgrading to a different ROM
here is a link for some good info about cid unlocking http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/170
or here you will find lokiwiz
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249474
2)if your question is what exacly Shell too does (what it does to the .nbk file) thats a question that you shouldnt be asking since you havent been able to flash a rom and that a question for a more experienced user.
3)read the first page of the Shell too thread that should answer all your questions if not be more specific about what you have done and what you can and cannot do this way we can help you directing you to the treads that might help you
4)and if none of this have help you you can PM me. i have flash several G3 and G4 devices and havent bricked any one of them.
As you can see i dont post as much im more of a Reader (the only way to learn) i usually dont post to ask but to help...thats why this forum is wonderful ...hope i helped in some way if not search....read this forum and google are your best friends
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no, upgrading the OS through shelltools will not void the warranty. (that is if you change it back before you send it in for repair )
i agree with pretty much everything you said, and that's one thing people need to learn, is that if you read a little bit, things will just absorb and you will then gain some knowledge. these are expensive little machines to be messing around on lol.
The Real Thing won't work on it
You can try, but Faria's Real Thing won't work on a G3 CID-locked device using ShellTool. I tried already. What I did was just CID-Unlocked my G3 a few days ago. If you need to send it in for repairs, you can always lock it back up using the CID-unlocking software called Lokiwiz. Then you can just use the RUU to flash the image
Hi all
I read a few bits on updating the vario 2 to windows mobile 6 Black 3.0.01 is that right ?
Can someone tell me more about what this actually is, I also read the tutorials on about upgrading the.
IPL and the SPL what are these and what is version 2.10 olipro also and the last thing is what does it mean when it talks about CID and not reading it. What effect does this have ???
I know the T Mobile bundled stuff is no use so what functionality will I have with this Black 3.0.1 and is that the best version for me to use or do you recommed a different version ???
Help Please I dont want to brick it.
Ska
skauk said:
Hi all
I read a few bits on updating the vario 2 to windows mobile 6 Black 3.0.01 is that right ?
Can someone tell me more about what this actually is, I also read the tutorials on about upgrading the.
IPL and the SPL what are these and what is version 2.10 olipro also and the last thing is what does it mean when it talks about CID and not reading it. What effect does this have ???
I know the T Mobile bundled stuff is no use so what functionality will I have with this Black 3.0.1 and is that the best version for me to use or do you recommed a different version ???
Help Please I dont want to brick it.
Ska
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Can't believe no-on has said this already... but you need to read the Wiki and do lots of searching / reading through the forum.
It's good that you don't want to brick your device. Research the topic by reading what is already there... no need to ask the same questions again
The WIKI will explain bootloaders and flashing to you. link in the brown bar at the top of the page, it says XDA-Wiki, click it look for the picture of the hermes device and click it. There is a wealth of information there for everyone's use.
As far as what functionality you will have with what rom - read the first post in the rom thread. The cooker will usually have a detailed list of included/removed items from the rom. Only you can decide which rom is the best for you, everyone uses their device differently and as such everyone has different ideas of what a good rom is.
Lastly, if you don't understand anything read before you start to flash. The Hermes isn't as forgiving as other devices when flashing and you could very easily ruin your device if you don't take some standard precautions. The awesome people in this forum have come up with tools to help you recover from just about every form of bricking, but nothing can save you from not having a plan ahead of time.
I suggest after you read the Wiki, that you start with the Olipro Hard-SPL before you flash anything else to your phone. And as always ask yourself why you need to upgrade your device. If the answer isn't substantial and you aren't prepared to lose the device due to a bad flash or just plain bad luck you shouldn't flash. Again if you are prepared ahead of time flashing is relatively safe, but if you jump in without knowing what you should, you risk ruining your device.
First, I am sorry if I am creating this thread in the wrong forum.
I just got my Rogers branded HTC TyTN!!!! The first thing I would like to do is upgrade to WM6. I flashed my Moto V3, but that has been my only experience modding a phone to date. I realize the Rom Archive has been taken down, but I am still hoping to get help here.
I have a friend who bought a Cingular 8525 off eBay, and he used this software update obtained direct from HTC. Can I use this?
http://www.america.htc.com/support/8525/software-downloads.html
I would rather use an unbranded ROM if opossible, but I haven't had much luck hunting them down on public torrent trackers, or any other p2p programs.
I know I am a relative newb, so I hope you guys can be patiant with me.
Thanks in advance to all those who help!
SEARCH THE FORUM!!!!!!!! My GOD WASTE OF SPACE!!!!!
I wouldnt suggest using an official update not made for your particular device.. you would be better off finding a custom rom that works with ur TyTn.
austinsnyc said:
SEARCH THE FORUM!!!!!!!! My GOD WASTE OF SPACE!!!!!
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Do you feel more important now asshole?
I lead with an apology.
I spent all night searching the forums, and didn't find what I'm looking for.
If you really want to help, link me to a relevant thread.
ok first off, swearing isnt going to help you in this thread sir.
Secondly I suggest taking a look at 'The Hermes Guide', by reading the announcement on the top of EVERY hermes forum (read this before posting) you would have found the thread about my guides, also you would have found all the info you need in the wiki.
By starting a new thread you have shown us you didnt follow these small steps and have tried to jump in 'at the deep end'. These devices are worth ALOT of money so you REALLY do need to read,read and read some more before following the path you wish to take. Its a likely situation that if you dont quite understand everything you will join the MANY MANY members who have a bricked device in THIS THREAD (alot of which now have very pricey paperweights).
Both yourself and I do not wish this to happen so please take some time to read through the wiki, threads and guides and your device should be working as you want it to in no time.
mrvanx said:
ok first off, swearing isnt going to help you in this thread sir.
Secondly I suggest taking a look at 'The Hermes Guide', by reading the announcement on the top of EVERY hermes forum (read this before posting) you would have found the thread about my guides, also you would have found all the info you need in the wiki.
By starting a new thread you have shown us you didnt follow these small steps and have tried to jump in 'at the deep end'. These devices are worth ALOT of money so you REALLY do need to read,read and read some more before following the path you wish to take. Its a likely situation that if you dont quite understand everything you will join the MANY MANY members who have a bricked device in THIS THREAD (alot of which now have very pricey paperweights).
Both yourself and I do not wish this to happen so please take some time to read through the wiki, threads and guides and your device should be working as you want it to in no time.
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Thanks for your response.
For what it's worth, I did spend a signifigant amount of time in the wiki, and didn't find what I was looking for. I will look again this evening.
I apologise for swearing, but I really can't stand these guys who wait for the first opportunity to post a "search function" response with the typical condecending attitude.
Likewise, I'm sure they can't stand me.
Thanks again for your assistance.
malibublue said:
I just got my Rogers branded HTC TyTN!!!! The first thing I would like to do is upgrade to WM6. I flashed my Moto V3, but that has been my only experience modding a phone to date. I realize the Rom Archive has been taken down, but I am still hoping to get help here.
You're actually getting some excellent advice here:
Madcap180: I wouldnt suggest using an official update not made for your particular device.. you would be better off finding a custom rom that works with ur TyTn.
austinsnyc: SEARCH THE FORUM
With that said, I'd strongly advise you to first upgrade to your vendor's (Rogers) latest wm5 rom & get to know the device under those conditions. When you do upgrade to wm6, this wm5 Rogers knowledge/experience will help you. You'll have an idea of what your Tytn can do. remember, your Tytn is NOT a Cingular 8525. Roms for Tytn are different from 8525 in a few ways, but identical in many.
HTC will release an official wm6 rom in near future. Wait for that. It's my understanding that Rogers has not announced the Rogers wm6 upgrade will be available for their branded Tytn. It may happen..it may not. Meanwhile, a customized HTC Tytn wm6 from this forum will eventually be a great choice. However, cut your teeth on the Rogers wm5 latest & HTC wm6 when it arives. What you do after that will mean so much more.
OK, I have 1 question I cant find the answer to anywhere.
I have flashed HardSPL, then I launched the installer as per the instructions, then clicked Autodetect
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
This is when I get an error
Is this normal? I cant find this anywhere!
Caution recommended
If youve done everything explained in this guide "http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/" and you get that error do as it says. Worked for me, Still jumping in at the deep end is a bad idea. I would ask whats lacking from your current rom before upgrading o something you may not need.
(i'm guessing one of the roms on that link is what you're after)
Paul J
If you have installed 2.10 olipro then pick SPL-2.02/2.10 New Bootloader.
malibublue said:
OK, I have 1 question I cant find the answer to anywhere.
I have flashed HardSPL, then I launched the installer as per the instructions, then clicked Autodetect
This is when I get an error
Is this normal? I cant find this anywhere!
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REMEMBER THIS AUSTINSYNC,
austinsnyc said:
.....Anyone else have this issue or a work around? Be nice this is my first post I just got the 8525 the other day its my first Windows phone ever after being a diehard blackberry user for years.. Please help I see there are some very smart people on this forum
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So be kind to newbies!!!!
samy.3660 said:
REMEMBER THIS AUSTINSYNC,
So be kind to newbies!!!!
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Brilliant!!! LOL
samy.3660 said:
REMEMBER THIS AUSTINSYNC,
So be kind to newbies!!!!
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nice find!
Just to update for those who were kind enough to assist me.
Everything went perfectly!
Now I am running the following;
HTC TyTN (Herm200)
SPL: 2.10.Olipro (HardSPL v7)
RADIO: 1.42.00.00
ROM: WM6 Elf Edition V2.1
Protocol: 32.75.7020.18H
Sandisk 2GB Micro SD
Many thanks to all those who helped me!!
I am jealous now because you have radio bersion 1.42.00.00 and we do not have it on this forum yet!
malibublue said:
Just to update for those who were kind enough to assist me.
Everything went perfectly!
Now I am running the following;
HTC TyTN (Herm200)
SPL: 2.10.Olipro (HardSPL v7)
RADIO: 1.42.00.00
ROM: WM6 Elf Edition V2.1
Protocol: 32.75.7020.18H
Sandisk 2GB Micro SD
Many thanks to all those who helped me!!
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Perfect Examples
MalibuBlue's thread seems to me a perfect example of what some of the Senior Members have long been advocating, that is, that if you don't like a question or feel it stupid, then ignore it--there's no requirement that one send negative/flaming replies. MalibuBlue could have done his homework better; Austinsync could have ignored his question (and that early question submitted from noobie austinsync was GREAT example of what it's like to be a noob!!); however, calmer heads prevailed, the best advice was given, Malibublue figured things out and is now less of a noob and more an experienced operator and will in all likelihood continue to learn and become a valuable contributor to the forum.
I still consider myself a noob although flashing ROMs is second nature now; eventually I want to put together a small section of info, gleaned from all the forum sources, that concisely and simply describes the first few steps a noob should do--written in straightforward English with the occasional reminder to READ, THINK, FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS, then READ SOME MORE; perhaps even use some PM's. My personal gratitude to those Senior Members/Mods who maintain a high standard and keep this forum enjoyable for everyone.
hello everyone!
i have bought a HTC Hermes from eBay and hopefully will receive the device soon. As I want to be prepared, when my new toy arrives, I have already started to read thru the Wiki and the Forums! I know, that the experts, which have been posting here for years now, want every beginner to RTFW and to use the search function and so on. What some mebers here don't seem to understand, that such a huge amount of information, which is often unstructured, easily misunderstood and/or simply outdated, is almost impossible to overcome!
personally, i am sure i learned a lot by reading thru xda-devs for sevreal days. but nevertheless, all this different information leaves me just confused and unsecure. seriously, i dont want to take any chances of bricking my pda!
so my appeal is to sum up some basic information regarding flashing & upgrading. and to make sure that i dont make any mistakes i ask all of you to correct me if i am wrong (which i am most likly going to be a couple of times).
ok. lets go!
basically i believe, that since latest developments
( --> "Free HTC Hermes SIM & CID Unlocker *New* version v3a" & --> "Hard-SPL V7"),
almost all Hermes versions can be UNLOCKED & UPGRADED safely, regardless of what bootloader version they are running....
true?
so all I need to upgrade to my phone to the latest versions is
HardSLP, the UNLOCKER and the ROMs I want to install!
true?
using those new tools mentioned above, downgrading to official 1.04 SLP rom versions (?!) to upgrade IS NOT necessary anymore.
true?
if my phone is once prepared with the two tools mentioned above, it is ready to get flashed again and again.... using those tools is a one time thing, which has to be done first time flashing.
true?
i have some questions as well you could help me with!
in what order should I start working?
what are the first steps? (which tool is used first?)
what are the major mistakes i could make to brick my device, even if i use the newest tools...?
i really hope that some people will understand my problems and try help me!
i would really like to contribute to the forums and if this wokrs out as i imagine, it could result in a new and up to date beginners guide!
thanks for reading!
please help!
regards,krz
Personally....
1) unlock as I believe it actually upgrades your SPL to 1.40. This is fine BUT if you've put Hard SPL ver 7 on then you have to run it again.
2) Hard SPL Ver7. You can put version 9 on BUT its for developers & really doesn't help the person who wants to just flash. It also throws up an error message after flashing that can be worrisome. No problem but apparently it needs fixing.
3) Find a rom you like - Only a hermes rom... If you find a rom you like for another Phone and they try to flash this you can be assured of an instant brick. Its like throwing an english speaking person into another country where no english is spoken. BIG TROUBLE... and unlike a person, the phone won't adapt and learn.
Check the forum for a rom you like, I can guarantee there is no "perfect rom" and sooner than later something else will come along that MUST be tried... Start with wm 6 as these are known to be stable and cut your teeth with these before venturing into the deep waters of 6.1. When you're confident flashing and troubleshooting these, then try wm6.1 as some work and research will/may be necessary to get these roms working stable.
4) Have fun....
Cheers...
thank you ultramag69!
unfortuneatly, noone else seems to want to help me here...
well, i'll keep on trying...
i had time for some further reading.
it seems, that I would not necessarily need the HTC Hermes SIM & CID Unlocker, if my phone was NOT simlocked.
instead of that, i could use the latest version of HardSPL to make it SuperCID!
RIGHT OR WRONG?
[btw: what excacty is the difference between SPL & MFG? what is a mfg anyway?]
I found THIS GUIDE while reading the forums.
* Housekeeping
* Flashing HardSPL
* Upgrading the Radio
* Upgrading to ______ WM6
* Programs and Settings
no matter what ROM version, bootloader, radio, etc. my phone is, following this guide would always work!
RIGHT OR WRONG?
if NOT, when wouldn't it?
what exceptions are there?
again, please be so kind and comment on this. i would realy be glad to be absolutely sure in what i am going to have to do!
there is still some insecurity left, please help me to make things a little clearer for me!
thank you in advance!
regards,
krz
Try reading 1st age of this thread.... Guides by MrVanx... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299462&page=34
As for Hard SPL, you can flash ANY HERMES rom... DONT TRY TO FLASH ANY OTHER ROMS.... Also, remember always that Hard SPL ISNT a guarantee not to brick your phone, its a safety net to help you when (and if you get to flashing alot) things go splat. It means that fixing a brick is put back into the realms of possibility instead of you now owning a very expensive paperweight. Please remember too that upgrading your radio rom is the riskiest thing to do on your hermes. most bricks come about because the radio rom gets corrupted & CANT be fixed... Hard SPL or no...As the saying goes, "if it aint broke, don't fix it". depending where you are in the world depends on which radio rom is best... research first and dont overflash this. If in Oz then 1.54.30.10 is selected by Testra. Seems to be ok...
Hope this isnt too much for you to digest...
thank you again ultramag!
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Try reading 1st age of this thread.... Guides by MrVanx...
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i have read thru this, thank you.
but what does "reading 1st age of this thread" mean?
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As for Hard SPL, you can flash ANY HERMES rom... DONT TRY TO FLASH ANY OTHER ROMS....
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that's clear. of course i meant any HERMES Roms regardless of version number, etc. ROMs of other devices (eg. Wizard, Kaiser) are of course NOT compatible...
i just wanted to double check, that downgrading to a certain bootloader is not necessary anymore in times of HardSLP v7...?
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Please remember too that upgrading your radio rom is the riskiest thing to do on your hermes. most bricks come about because the radio rom gets corrupted & CANT be fixed... Hard SPL or no...
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i'm curious, why upgrading the radio ROM is that riskiy or some much riskier that upgrading the windows ROM for example. is it only, because it can't be fixed when flashing goes wrong? or is flashing the radio rom more likely to go wrong than flashing WindowsROM ?
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not at all!
keep it coming!
whats "wrong" with my tries to get a RIGHT or WRONG for my assumptions...?
noone seems to feel the need to answer that?
thanks again,
krz
Just the guides... Helped me lotsa times...
Downgrading your SPL from 2.10 isn't the best idea if you are gonna flash a lot a It is a safety net. If you do want to downgrade SPL you can, there is a guide in the wiki.
When the radio rom upgrading goes wrong it seems to be that the memory itself becomes corrupted. There are plenty of "fixes" BUT they seem to work erratically. The os is completely wiped and rewritten and doesn't seem to be affected by these "unrecoverable bad blocks". It can still be screwed up but is more tolerant of errors and can be repaired easily enough using MTTY(do search on wiki).
Read some of the posts about people who've bricked their phone & you'll see that MOST people who cant recover their Hermes have screwed up their radio... ie. phone displays "No GSM". Most can still use the PDA part of the Hermes BUT it won't make calls again so is considered a brick.
Most cooked roms DON'T contain the radio rom.
As for "Yes/No Answers", Yes you are partially right and no, you are partly wrong. Did that clear that up???
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As for "Yes/No Answers", Yes you are partially right and no, you are partly wrong. Did that clear that up???
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totally!
i know that i know nothing!
anyways, thanks for trying. i think it kinda worked....
i flashed the Blue Angel and the Wizard a couple of times without any problems... my PC even crashed once while flashing the wizard.... fortuneatly i could reflash it afterwards..... i thought flashing the HERMES could be more of a hustle... ?
regarding the RADIO ROM: i guess, i will avoid flashing the radio too often!
btw: i am from AUSTRIA, Europe, and I am using the telering/t-mobile network!
recommending me a good RADIO ROM for telering/t-mobile austria would be very much appreciatiaed!
after all, flashing from SD card instead of flashing via an USB connection seems to be recommendeable regarding safety issues! i shall consider that as well!
breaking it down:
1) use HardSPL to upgrade ROMs (instead of downgrading to official SPLs, which are flashable...)
2) dont upgrade the radio too much. find the best one for your provider, flash it once, keep it if it works!
3) safety first! use the SD card for flashing instead of the PC and USB connection.
aight?
krz
Soon grasshopper, you will take over.....answering these questions...
As for radio rom, sorry, but I'm in Australia, ass end of the world where all the crap phones turn up. REALLY happy to find a FANTASTIC phone in the Hermes.....
hello again....
i want to start flashing soon, but there are still some things unclear.
regarding the AKU: i read about AKu in the forums, but i am still not sure about it....
when i upgrade to windows mobile 06 for example, is there a AKU included?
only in official ROMs?
or do i have to upgrade AKUs seperatly?
could anyone at least briefly answer my questions and maybe even try to explain the whole AKU stuff for me again...
would be awesome!
thx in advamce
krz
ps: the more i read in the wiki, the more confused i get... all this outdated information is confusing me more and more... it is really hard to catch up here. specially when all u get is a "gofckyourselfandreadthewiki"-post
KRZTF said:
hello again....
i want to start flashing soon, but there are still some things unclear.
regarding the AKU: i read about AKu in the forums, but i am still not sure about it....
when i upgrade to windows mobile 06 for example, is there a AKU included?
only in official ROMs?
or do i have to upgrade AKUs seperatly?
could anyone at least briefly answer my questions and maybe even try to explain the whole AKU stuff for me again...
would be awesome!
thx in advamce
krz
ps: the more i read in the wiki, the more confused i get... all this outdated information is confusing me more and more... it is really hard to catch up here. specially when all u get is a "gofckyourselfandreadthewiki"-post
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You're just getting information overload, If you searched for "What is AKU" using google you'd have got this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1445514&postcount=1
Just follow Mr Vanx's Guide http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=26 or else http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1186163&postcount=1 from start to end & you should have a successful flash. This link is also very handy for beginners http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1465974&postcount=1
Just remember if you intend to flash one of the WM6.1 Roms, many of the members feel that it is best to flash an official carrier Rom before flashing your selected Rom to prevent H/R issues. Happy Flashing!
I'm certain this question has been posted a few thousand times. But I just got an HD2 again. I've been away from this scene for about 10 months. I was here for the beginning of the SD card integration Android when things didn't work well. I'm back with a HD2 I got from a friend. It has windows mobile 6.5. And I don't even know where to began to get Android on this phone. Here's the info that may help me get pointed in the right direction.
OS version 5.2.21913
Manila version 2.5.201814240
Rom version 3.14.531.1
Radio version 2.15.50.14
That's what's on the phone currently. I tried follow a few threads but they all turned out to be a dead end until I change my SPL version. If anyone can at least get me on the right track so I can at least make some progress that would be great.
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I'm certain this question has been posted a few thousand times. But I just got an HD2 again. I've been away from this scene for about 10 months. I was here for the beginning of the SD card integration Android when things didn't work well. I'm back with a HD2 I got from a friend. It has windows mobile 6.5. And I don't even know where to began to get Android on this phone. Here's the info that may help me get pointed in the right direction.
OS version 5.2.21913
Manila version 2.5.201814240
Rom version 3.14.531.1
Radio version 2.15.50.14
That's what's on the phone currently. I tried follow a few threads but they all turned out to be a dead end until I change my SPL version. If anyone can at least get me on the right track so I can at least make some progress that would be great.
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My SPL is SPL 2.10.000
I need to get it down to 2.08.000.
JayWheelz said:
I'm certain this question has been posted a few thousand times.
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So why did you ask again and not read the answers that was given before?
There is plenty of answers, stickies, guides for you to read, no need to create new topic. You will get your info more efficiently by looking for it
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So why did you ask again and not read the answers that was given before?
There is plenty of answers, stickies, guides for you to read, no need to create new topic. You will get your info more efficiently by looking for it
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Actually I did read a lot of information but I got confused on what I needed to do. But I figured it out on my own. Thanks for replying anyway.
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So why did you ask again and not read the answers that was given before?
There is plenty of answers, stickies, guides for you to read, no need to create new topic. You will get your info more efficiently by looking for it
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Can people please stop just saying "the answer is out there", and actually post links to help future readers? Posts like that are as redundant as a duplicate thread. If you don't have anything constructive to say, please don't say anything.
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Can people please stop just saying "the answer is out there", and actually post links to help future readers? Posts like that are as redundant as a duplicate thread. If you don't have anything constructive to say, please don't say anything.
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I agree with you on that.
This is what I did to fix my issue so if someone else had the same problem they can hopefully find the right answers.
My issues was having SPL 2.10.000 on my phone.
I needed to install 2.08.000.
All i needed was to download HSPL3 and then follow the apps prompts and when the options for 2.08.000 SPL or 2.08.000 came up.
I chose the 2.08.000 SPL and it changed my SPL to 2.08.000.
That allowed me to follow DFT tutorial for installing android.
Otherwise it wouldn't allow me to progress forward with my old SPL 2.10.000
Here's the links I followed.
For HARDSPL info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=609477
For DFT Android info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893620
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893620
Here's a Youtube video showing you the steps to install DFT's android after you have the correct SPL insalled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NXOnP7OQBI&feature=player_embedded#!
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Can people please stop just saying "the answer is out there", and actually post links to help future readers? Posts like that are as redundant as a duplicate thread. If you don't have anything constructive to say, please don't say anything.
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Because its easier to point out to look for it then it is to actually do teh work for them and find it.
It will be better for the OP's in the long run if they learn to look and find the information they want/need instead of posting questions and relying on others. As teh OP stated he foudn what he was looking for and probably learned something in process of doing so.
The best way to learn all the processes is to do research and not to simply create a topic every time they want info.
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Because its easier to point out to look for it then it is to actually do teh work for them and find it.
It will be better for the OP's in the long run if they learn to look and find the information they want/need instead of posting questions and relying on others. As teh OP stated he foudn what he was looking for and probably learned something in process of doing so.
The best way to learn all the processes is to do research and not to simply create a topic every time they want info.
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It still does not help the forum in the slightest. If you have nothing constructive to say then you really shouldn't say anything.
Think about this... If it hadn't been for my comment about unhelpful responses, the OP may never have posted his findings, so you could at least think about encouraging them to do that in the future.
Now, if someone finds this thread through a search they'll find some solid information, not just someone saying "search the forum".
I think we want the same thing here - an easy to use forum where people can find answers easily
For NAND Android you need 2.08.HSPL not 2.08.0000
Run HSPL3 and select 2.08.HSPL
Make sure that the RADIO on the phone is 2.08.50.xx or any .50 above.
With regard to your friend's phone, if they want to do the same, then they have to flash the phone with an 2.08 or 2.10 ROM, as this will bring the SPL down to where HSPL can be run. HSPL doesn't work with SPL 3.03 (which comes with the 3.14 ROM).