does it take off everything that is on the rommy thingy?...or what...and f i want to just install it do i have to cid unlock?...( i got aa g3 now) or do i shelltool it...
lets say im going to download farias real thing...to get everything do i install it regular...or shelltool it?
From your questions, you really shouldn't be doing anything with your phone before reading the wiki on this and taking some time to read the forums a bit closer.
i didnt ask that...if u cant answer my question just say so,,,thanks for trying
TaurusBullba wasnt being mean. TaurusBullba was pointing out a few honest truths.
Hypothetically speaking, if someone doesnt know what shelltool does, despite their being a thread with almost 300 posts on using the shelltool then they are obviously not ready to flash anything yet. Furthermore if someone doesnt know which devices the shelltool is designed for then they have again demonstrated that they are not ready to flash their expensive device.
Do as TaurusBullba said and be thankful someone took the time to answer your question in a civil manner.
killacam13 said:
does it take off everything that is on the rommy thingy?...or what...and f i want to just install it do i have to cid unlock?...( i got aa g3 now) or do i shelltool it...
lets say im going to download farias real thing...to get everything do i install it regular...or shelltool it?
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Just CID unlock your G3, you dont need shell tools for that.
i dont want to cid unlock it..and i cant...hence the reason im using shell tools...i have read the thread before but was looking for clarification...sorry for asking...and the fact that there are 300 posts makes it even easier for some1 not 2 read all the posts...to get all the information...i ditnt think anyone would read all the post to make sure there perfect with it..hence the reason all people can make threads...to post finds...and questions...and again i say...i cant cid unlock my device...does it take off everything that is on the rom?...or what...and if i want to just install the rom the regular way do i have to cid unlock?...( i have a g3 now) or do i shelltool it...lets say im going to use farias real thing...to get everything on the rom do i install it regularly...or shelltool it?
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CID unlock your phone and install the normal way. There isnt much point using shelltools with a G3 when you can just unlock it.
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and the fact that there are 300 posts makes it even easier for some1 not 2 read all the posts...to get all the information...i ditnt think anyone would read all the post to make sure there perfect with it..hence the reason all people can make threads...to post finds...and questions__________________
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The reason some threads are 300+ posts long is because so many topics are covered, so many questions are answered. By reading all the posts in the thread you might find your question is already answered, conversely by not reading all the pages you might miss something very important. For example imagine if someone didnt read the shelltool thread and missed the discussion about the virus version of shelltool, what kind of trouble would they be in then?
so i take it we should read every single page...no thanks
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so i take it we should read every single page...no thanks
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Just the kind of attitude that leads to you not knowing what shelltools does.
i think asking him to read 300 plus pages of anything is asking too much. And he is right that we all can post threads for a reason. But still most of the info he is seeking can easily be answered by reading the first page of the original shelltools thread.
personally i hate when people say "just unlock it" because people like me who can't void the warranty can't unlock it (i have a g3, but used shelltools to try and keep the warranty) This guy has read enough to know that it doesnt cid unlock your device.
to answer his original question, im pretty sure it just flashes the os and ipl and spl or anything (thats what happened with mine) Ive used nottosmarts and xplore with no problems with it. I say just try it and see if you get the full effect.
I see the users frustration with questions such as this, but this is a forum thats known for the way it is always willing to help a new user out. All we ask is the new user just does some research and not be baby fed.
And killacam even if there is a hint of attitude, they just dont want you to brick your phone, so take take it too much to heart
The issue here is that 99% of the people asking about shelltools are people that shouldn't be flashing their phone. You may be one of the exceptions but the lack of information in your posting about what you do know makes it hard to judge.
The fact is that even shell tool (and any unauthorized tool for that matter), can "brick" your phone and most of the time (read a few threads) people blame the people posting these tools. If you are worried about warranty then you should just be happy with your phone's built in OS.
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The issue here is that 99% of the people asking about shelltools are people that shouldn't be flashing their phone. You may be one of the exceptions but the lack of information in your posting about what you do know makes it hard to judge.
The fact is that even shell tool (and any unauthorized tool for that matter), can "brick" your phone and most of the time (read a few threads) people blame the people posting these tools. If you are worried about warranty then you should just be happy with your phone's built in OS.
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are you talking to me? Why should i be happy with the packaged OS? Why can't i use a workaround that was developed from someone in these forums? In fact, i dont see a reason why anyone wouldn't use shelltools because of the fact that it saves the warranty.
Oh and a lot of programs can brick your phones, even the basic rom update if it's used in the wrong manner. And i don't like the way you went about this post; next time you need help maybe you shouldn't ask it, because that's apparently what you would like everyone else to do. I agree that he shouldnt have looked more at the shelltools thread, but to make a statement about me doesn't make sense.
It's never asking too much of a person to do things if he really wants to do it. Anyway, he doesn't have to read through the whole 300 pages as not every page has the information he needs, just browse through it mate and look for your magic keyword "G3"...
It was worth the 300 pages though, believe me, if I didn't I woundn't be using Core2.0 right now..
i dont think there is a warranty issue here since he wants to upgrade his OS and that would void his warranty (or not?)
the only way to learn is READING and if he doesnt want to read and expect someone else to do it for him thats a bit lazy on your part but here is my advice.....
1)if you can CID unlock your device (if you dont care about your waranty do it) this way you wont have any issues when upgrading to a different ROM
here is a link for some good info about cid unlocking http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/170
or here you will find lokiwiz
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249474
2)if your question is what exacly Shell too does (what it does to the .nbk file) thats a question that you shouldnt be asking since you havent been able to flash a rom and that a question for a more experienced user.
3)read the first page of the Shell too thread that should answer all your questions if not be more specific about what you have done and what you can and cannot do this way we can help you directing you to the treads that might help you
4)and if none of this have help you you can PM me. i have flash several G3 and G4 devices and havent bricked any one of them.
As you can see i dont post as much im more of a Reader (the only way to learn) i usually dont post to ask but to help...thats why this forum is wonderful ...hope i helped in some way if not search....read this forum and google are your best friends
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i dont think there is a warranty issue here since he wants to upgrade his OS and that would void his warranty (or not?)
the only way to learn is READING and if he doesnt want to read and expect someone else to do it for him thats a bit lazy on your part but here is my advice.....
1)if you can CID unlock your device (if you dont care about your waranty do it) this way you wont have any issues when upgrading to a different ROM
here is a link for some good info about cid unlocking http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/170
or here you will find lokiwiz
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249474
2)if your question is what exacly Shell too does (what it does to the .nbk file) thats a question that you shouldnt be asking since you havent been able to flash a rom and that a question for a more experienced user.
3)read the first page of the Shell too thread that should answer all your questions if not be more specific about what you have done and what you can and cannot do this way we can help you directing you to the treads that might help you
4)and if none of this have help you you can PM me. i have flash several G3 and G4 devices and havent bricked any one of them.
As you can see i dont post as much im more of a Reader (the only way to learn) i usually dont post to ask but to help...thats why this forum is wonderful ...hope i helped in some way if not search....read this forum and google are your best friends
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no, upgrading the OS through shelltools will not void the warranty. (that is if you change it back before you send it in for repair )
i agree with pretty much everything you said, and that's one thing people need to learn, is that if you read a little bit, things will just absorb and you will then gain some knowledge. these are expensive little machines to be messing around on lol.
The Real Thing won't work on it
You can try, but Faria's Real Thing won't work on a G3 CID-locked device using ShellTool. I tried already. What I did was just CID-Unlocked my G3 a few days ago. If you need to send it in for repairs, you can always lock it back up using the CID-unlocking software called Lokiwiz. Then you can just use the RUU to flash the image
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It seems that there continues to be, and perhaps will always be a steady stream of newbies coming here...who tend to not read any of the upgrading instructions carefully before flashing a new ROM to their device. Having said that I am not holding my breath hoping that people will read this post.
Everyone must understand that its frustrating to developers and to longtime members to have to answer the same questions over and over again. Some of the members on the forum, me included, often reply to cries for help with "Read the Wiki," and people tend to get upset about it. Some of the developers have even left the forum or closed threads because of these frustrations. I don't blame them.
People must also understand that one of the reasons it is hard to find information on the forum is because of all the clutter due to people posting the same stuff over and over. That is why some posts go unanswered.
For those who do read and have decided that they want to upgrade a G4 device, I am listing a few ways to save yourself from potentially "Bricking" your device.
1) Be cautious of ROMS downloaded from your service providers. They do not tell you wether the ROM is for a G3 or G4. These are most likely to be for a G3. This is the case with the Cingular ROM on HTC's site. Try to put this on a G4 and you will have a "Brick" for sure.
2) Be cautious of ROMS downloaded from other places on the internet. Check the RUU installer's name and look for NOID in the filename.
(i.e. newromupdateutility_wizard_noid) This tells you that this ROM was modified to not check for CID, and most likely the ROM does not change the IPL/SPL parts of the device. In other words its been modded for use on a G4.
3) Don't skip steps.
4) Be sure you know what ROM you have (from #1 & #2) before you do anything else, and if you have to modify a ROM understand everything that has to be done before you do it, it doesn't hurt to double check your steps.
I've seen several people try to flash the PDAViet ROM for the Wizard found on the internet and noticed that they "Bricked" their devices trying to install using shelltool. Had these people known that the ROM was already modded for G4's they would not be taking up space on the forum. Don't blame the tools, if they didn't work for you, you probably skipped some step(s). Help the moderators and other members looking for information keep the forum clean.
Also read Flexer's tutorial here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291471
TO DEVS & MODERATORS: Have I missed anything?
You can add a link to this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291471
I have a hurricane and i would like to upgrade it to WM6.1..
But now i want a guide! Because the last time i just did it, i bricked it.. The SPL flash went wrong and now the hurricane is dead.. completely dead.. But unfortunally i have another one i wish to try it on but i need an exact guide..
And then i suspect my other hurricane to be some kind of prototype.. I flashed the "patched_ruu" and it went fine but after that i just got a white screen and now the device dosn't work.. I have tried to get help but as it seems it is not repairable.. So i would like to know if the device i have is a "genuine" hurricane? How can i check that?
The other hurricane i had was not branded.. Nothing was stated on the cover.. The one i want to flash now is branded "Qtek 8200" and the splash screen says "Test Only - Not for sale"
Can somebody help me here ? Iam afraid to brick this device too !
Guys damned i need some help here !
There are more than enough upgrade guides. Just look into the longer WM5 or WM6 threads and make sure that the ROM you downloaded really is intended for your device. Don't just assume and better check twice. HTC devices have confusingly many codenames and are sold under dozens of different brand names. Even some people writing guides confuse one or the other model.
Sorry, I know this is the answer you just didn't want. But reading the threads provides just the kind of information you need if you don't want to brick the second phone.
Regards,
Dirk
Spades01 said:
There are more than enough upgrade guides. Just look into the longer WM5 or WM6 threads and make sure that the ROM you downloaded really is intended for your device. Don't just assume and better check twice. HTC devices have confusingly many codenames and are sold under dozens of different brand names. Even some people writing guides confuse one or the other model.
Sorry, I know this is the answer you just didn't want. But reading the threads provides just the kind of information you need if you don't want to brick the second phone.
Regards,
Dirk
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I assumed it was a rom intended for my device, cause the rom i downloaded was in the WM6 from this forum.. The guide in the thread i found isn't very desciptive.. Others have downloaded and got it to work on their device but somehow i did something wrong OR it could be because my device was a sample.
No one with a little spare time ?
hi , i lwant to install a new rom on my device (niki is my first win mobile device), but i'm a really newbie and i dont know what to do to install it! Would u help me saying what i have to flash and to install the rom correctly on my niki (without breaking it ) ? I've read all the sticky and i've tried to search in the forum but i've not understand what to do !
Thanks a lot guys
me too =( so many thinks dont understand..
can someone explain us step by step how to flash the device and install a new rom (i want to try the new tom codon rom)?
Before you start anything,
know that you will void your warranty if you send in your device with a different SPL and rom that it came loaded with, you should know how to revert back for warranty reasons. If you dont want to risk anything, I recommend not continuing. If you are unsure read the threads completely until you are comfortable.
This is just a simple starting piont and not a guide.
Use this post to find the threads to help unlock, update your HardSPL and flash your rom. I know the ropes somewhat but I may be a little off, since I havent done this in awhile, but here is the gist of it.
First thing you should do is check to see what device you have.
To do this take you battery off and look for a model number (i.e. NIKI100, NEON200 or NEON300) This will tell you what device you have and what Roms are available to you. Niki100 is the most common
After that you need to find out if you device is carrier locked
and if so I beleive you need to unlock it. It wouldnt hurt anyways to have the device unlocked. This allows you to use your phone on any supporting network. These locked devices are generally branded by cell phone companies like Orange or Tmobile ect.. If you have a straight HTC device more than likely you are not locked to a network.
Next you will need to update your USPL or HardSPL
by following this thread by jockyw2001 - If you can not figure this thread out, you may want to consider not flashing your device because there is always risk involved in damaging your phone especially if you dont know why and what your are doing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355730
Now you can flash a rom that is compatible.
Check the Rom that has been developed for guides and read the all the post for problems before flashing. This is important because alot of the Roms may be a Beta meaning they have bugs to be worked out, plus it makes other user's happier that you dont ask alot of questions that have been posted before. Make sure that the Rom will be compatible with your device (NIKI100 or NEON200 ect..)
Please continue at your own risk, I can not be responsible for errors and bricking you device. I am just tyring to give you direction to start.
Hope this helps and good luck - Thanks
Jcostanza4
htc touch dual tim
same problem ,i m new here?
how to install dutch rom .
plaese step by step
i made a thread earlier, and got some replies, but it didnt really clear that much up in my head.
I would be greatgul if you could help me out with this one please.
I have been reading alot of threads about changing the ROM from an Orange one (my phone is so slow with it!) to a new 'lite' one. but i just dont understand how!
could someone clirfy what these terms mean please: (in simple terms)
what is a Hard-SPL?
What is a ROM Kitchen?
What is a ROM DUMP?
What is USPL?
What is ROM (i'm assuming it is where the OS is stored and it means read-only memory?)
what is a CID unlocker and why do i need it?
Thanks.
You guys are all pros and dont understand a word of whats written most of the time lol
I found the ROM I wanted yesterday(cant find it now will have to look harder) its a lite one with only the basics there.
Is it hard for a novice to do somthing like this?
Thanks wez
Read Read and Read Again
Sounds like you been doin some reading...donno if you checked out the Wikipage...If not, here it it.
If you have...read again lol.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Niki
You wont get too far on this forum without reading man. Sorry.
I'm certain this question has been posted a few thousand times. But I just got an HD2 again. I've been away from this scene for about 10 months. I was here for the beginning of the SD card integration Android when things didn't work well. I'm back with a HD2 I got from a friend. It has windows mobile 6.5. And I don't even know where to began to get Android on this phone. Here's the info that may help me get pointed in the right direction.
OS version 5.2.21913
Manila version 2.5.201814240
Rom version 3.14.531.1
Radio version 2.15.50.14
That's what's on the phone currently. I tried follow a few threads but they all turned out to be a dead end until I change my SPL version. If anyone can at least get me on the right track so I can at least make some progress that would be great.
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I'm certain this question has been posted a few thousand times. But I just got an HD2 again. I've been away from this scene for about 10 months. I was here for the beginning of the SD card integration Android when things didn't work well. I'm back with a HD2 I got from a friend. It has windows mobile 6.5. And I don't even know where to began to get Android on this phone. Here's the info that may help me get pointed in the right direction.
OS version 5.2.21913
Manila version 2.5.201814240
Rom version 3.14.531.1
Radio version 2.15.50.14
That's what's on the phone currently. I tried follow a few threads but they all turned out to be a dead end until I change my SPL version. If anyone can at least get me on the right track so I can at least make some progress that would be great.
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My SPL is SPL 2.10.000
I need to get it down to 2.08.000.
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I'm certain this question has been posted a few thousand times.
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So why did you ask again and not read the answers that was given before?
There is plenty of answers, stickies, guides for you to read, no need to create new topic. You will get your info more efficiently by looking for it
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So why did you ask again and not read the answers that was given before?
There is plenty of answers, stickies, guides for you to read, no need to create new topic. You will get your info more efficiently by looking for it
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Actually I did read a lot of information but I got confused on what I needed to do. But I figured it out on my own. Thanks for replying anyway.
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So why did you ask again and not read the answers that was given before?
There is plenty of answers, stickies, guides for you to read, no need to create new topic. You will get your info more efficiently by looking for it
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Can people please stop just saying "the answer is out there", and actually post links to help future readers? Posts like that are as redundant as a duplicate thread. If you don't have anything constructive to say, please don't say anything.
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Can people please stop just saying "the answer is out there", and actually post links to help future readers? Posts like that are as redundant as a duplicate thread. If you don't have anything constructive to say, please don't say anything.
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I agree with you on that.
This is what I did to fix my issue so if someone else had the same problem they can hopefully find the right answers.
My issues was having SPL 2.10.000 on my phone.
I needed to install 2.08.000.
All i needed was to download HSPL3 and then follow the apps prompts and when the options for 2.08.000 SPL or 2.08.000 came up.
I chose the 2.08.000 SPL and it changed my SPL to 2.08.000.
That allowed me to follow DFT tutorial for installing android.
Otherwise it wouldn't allow me to progress forward with my old SPL 2.10.000
Here's the links I followed.
For HARDSPL info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=609477
For DFT Android info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893620
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893620
Here's a Youtube video showing you the steps to install DFT's android after you have the correct SPL insalled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NXOnP7OQBI&feature=player_embedded#!
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Can people please stop just saying "the answer is out there", and actually post links to help future readers? Posts like that are as redundant as a duplicate thread. If you don't have anything constructive to say, please don't say anything.
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Because its easier to point out to look for it then it is to actually do teh work for them and find it.
It will be better for the OP's in the long run if they learn to look and find the information they want/need instead of posting questions and relying on others. As teh OP stated he foudn what he was looking for and probably learned something in process of doing so.
The best way to learn all the processes is to do research and not to simply create a topic every time they want info.
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Because its easier to point out to look for it then it is to actually do teh work for them and find it.
It will be better for the OP's in the long run if they learn to look and find the information they want/need instead of posting questions and relying on others. As teh OP stated he foudn what he was looking for and probably learned something in process of doing so.
The best way to learn all the processes is to do research and not to simply create a topic every time they want info.
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It still does not help the forum in the slightest. If you have nothing constructive to say then you really shouldn't say anything.
Think about this... If it hadn't been for my comment about unhelpful responses, the OP may never have posted his findings, so you could at least think about encouraging them to do that in the future.
Now, if someone finds this thread through a search they'll find some solid information, not just someone saying "search the forum".
I think we want the same thing here - an easy to use forum where people can find answers easily
For NAND Android you need 2.08.HSPL not 2.08.0000
Run HSPL3 and select 2.08.HSPL
Make sure that the RADIO on the phone is 2.08.50.xx or any .50 above.
With regard to your friend's phone, if they want to do the same, then they have to flash the phone with an 2.08 or 2.10 ROM, as this will bring the SPL down to where HSPL can be run. HSPL doesn't work with SPL 3.03 (which comes with the 3.14 ROM).