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... for battery life, reception and overall usability in Japan?
I currently have radio version 1.16.00.00 and seem to get great reception
and a full day's use while doing a lot of stuff on my X01HT and still get home
at the end of the day with anywhere from 30~50% left on the battery.
Is there one radio version that better than another for Japan's coverage
areas?
TIA
AquiEsta! said:
... for battery life, reception and overall usability in Japan?
I currently have radio version 1.16.00.00 and seem to get great reception
and a full day's use while doing a lot of stuff on my X01HT and still get home
at the end of the day with anywhere from 30~50% left on the battery.
Is there one radio version that better than another for Japan's coverage
areas?
TIA
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Definatly update your Radio atleast to 1.27.00.00. Radio versions below that have been pretty much invalidated by updates now.
If you Update to the latest radio, and see how that goes...you can swap between versions aslong as they use BL 107 or higher.
mrvanx said:
Definatly update your Radio atleast to 1.27.00.00. Radio versions below that have been pretty much invalidated by updates now.
If you Update to the latest radio, and see how that goes...you can swap between versions aslong as they use BL 107 or higher.
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Thank you for the information and the link.
I was actually thinking of going to the 1.41.0.10 radio since the X01HT
would be at 1.41.1.10 if it were "locked-up" by SoftBank's 0182.exe file.
I was just not sure if that was a wise idea because I had heard some
complaining of short battery life with certain radio versions and ROM
combos.
It's odd that after installing dutty's WM6 v2 my radio version seems to have
gone done to 1.16.00.00. I just thought that was suppose to happen due to
better performance but then I know very little about radio versions.
Thanks again for the info.
mrvanx said:
Definatly update your Radio atleast to 1.27.00.00. Radio versions below that have been pretty much invalidated by updates now.
If you Update to the latest radio, and see how that goes...you can swap between versions aslong as they use BL 107 or higher.
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I'm not sure why I keep getting a warning from the "Mega" site claiming that
I'm already downloading something when I'm not. It won't allow me to down
load the 1.41.00.10 radio until I finish downloading the "other" file. I guess
it must be the fact that I'm using a cable internet provider and the IP
address is 'shared' through their system so that it appears as though I'm
already downloading something.
Do you know of any other 'safe' locations to get that file?
Ahh, found it after a bit of searching here. Funny thing when you do a
search here on xda-developers for '1.41.00.10' you will get nothing but
when you try that on the XDA-Wiki you still get nothing until you search
again under the 'find page' page and in the FullTextSearch field.
So I did find the link to the 1.41.00.10 radio for the MegaUpload site again
but also the XDA FTP site as well.
Flashed the radio and I'm up at 1.41.00.10 now.
Thank you for the help!
Now onto trying to kill off that nagging welcome.exe that keeps showing
me the white screen requesting the SIM unlock code everytime I put my
Rogers SIM card in when I travel back to Canada.
I need to downgrade my radio from v1.48.00.00 to v1.41.00.10. Is it possible to do this, or is downgrading out of the question. The reason I want to is because I got MUCH better performance out of the older version than the new one.
FYI:
ROM: Black Satin Normal WM6
Current Radio: 1.48.00.00
Protocol Version: 32.81.7070.20H
SPL: Olipro v2.10
I did some searches of the forum, but couldn't find anything relevant, and MR VANX's site doesn't seem to have anything specifically with regards to downgrading only the radio of the PPC.
I'd appreciate any quick responses you all can provide. Thanks!
Can I DOWNGRADE my Radio
The short answer "YES"............
The long answer........ "READ"......... "READ"........"READ".........
Although this has become much easier and SAFER thanks to many wonderful and intelligent people on these boards, IT IS NOT something that you should undertake if YOU DON'T KNOW the answer to your own question.........
A BIG HINT.......take a look at MrVanx's guides......the wiki...... and the "radio only".......upgrade forums, guides, etc......
The Answers are OUT THERE.....................all you have to do IS FIND THEM!!!!!!
I've flashed a lot of ROMS......I'm no techie by any stretch of the imagination, however I ALWAYS....read, check, double check & check again. to ensure I have a pretty good understanding of what to expect, what to do if something goes wrong.....etc.....
Not flaming you......but I am strongly encouraging you to get the wisdom, BEFORE you jump of the CLIFF.................grasshopper!!!!!!!!!
Good Luck,
vpu2....OUT!!!!
kssxs said:
I need to downgrade my radio from v1.48.00.00 to v1.41.00.10. Is it possible to do this, or is downgrading out of the question. The reason I want to is because I got MUCH better performance out of the older version than the new one.
FYI:
ROM: Black Satin Normal WM6
Current Radio: 1.48.00.00
Protocol Version: 32.81.7070.20H
SPL: Olipro v2.10
I did some searches of the forum, but couldn't find anything relevant, and MR VANX's site doesn't seem to have anything specifically with regards to downgrading only the radio of the PPC.
I'd appreciate any quick responses you all can provide. Thanks!
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Yes , you can downgrade your radio rom like a normal upgrade.
Ciao
Imdantes
What didn't you like about the 1.48 rom? I went from the official cingular radio to 1.48 and I notice better reception and TERRIBLE battery life. I seem to get about half the battery life that I did pre 1.48. I have the same apps that I have had with both radios.
imdantes said:
Yes , you can downgrade your radio rom like a normal upgrade.
Ciao
Imdantes
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So I can just run the updater for the v1.41.00.10 radio version and downgrade that way without worrying about it catastrophically killing my phone?
Oh, and I want to go back to the older version because I found that I would get signal drops where I previously had signal and could make calls. I would also more frequently get the signal tower and ! mark, and not be able to make calls at all. I also noticed power draining MUCH faster than before. I thought that might be caused by the new Satin ROM I was using, but I'm glad to find out it might be caused by the radio upgrade.
So is it just a normal downgrade by running the updater executable?
imdantes said:
Yes , you can downgrade your radio rom like a normal upgrade.
Ciao
Imdantes
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But becareful of HTC_Bootloader, since from 1.38 to 1.48 are still 0108
so it's free to up or downgrade.
Once it has been changed, then we might not be able to do that again.
Pls correct me if I am wrong.
kinghung said:
But becareful of HTC_Bootloader, since from 1.38 to 1.48 are still 0108
so it's free to up or downgrade.
Once it has been changed, then we might not be able to do that again.
Pls correct me if I am wrong.
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Yeah it would be nice to find out definitively, since I'm sure none of us want to see that 'GSM not found' or some such error...
Can anyone answer with any sort of confidence (even just confirming imdantes's post above would be good).
Thanks!
Of course if you like.
The bootloader can't be downgraded as of now.
I'm an unfortunate victim of this little issue.. my X01HT extended ROM had a radio version of 1.14 listed, but some bogus bootloader version much higher than anything released currently.
Now I'm stuck with an inferior radio version and can do nothing about it due to the bootloader that I can't downgrade.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=301952
This is the thread I got most of this information from, pretty logical.
kssxs said:
Yeah it would be nice to find out definitively, since I'm sure none of us want to see that 'GSM not found' or some such error...
Can anyone answer with any sort of confidence (even just confirming imdantes's post above would be good).
Thanks!
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If you have SPL 2.1o Olipro then you are relatively safe in undertaking this task. I have downgraded from 1.48 to 1.47.10 when i was trying to solve some problems.
You really need to read this: http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/
WB
pcm2a said:
What didn't you like about the 1.48 rom? I went from the official cingular radio to 1.48 and I notice better reception and TERRIBLE battery life. I seem to get about half the battery life that I did pre 1.48. I have the same apps that I have had with both radios.
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Exact same thing here. Which is why I tried 1.50 (a LOT better battery life and voice quality, pretty much the same reception though).
Memnoch30 said:
Exact same thing here. Which is why I tried 1.50 (a LOT better battery life and voice quality, pretty much the same reception though).
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I also experienced 1.48 drains much more power than other version of radio.
(almost 50% more)
Since Radio 1.50 is still 0108, I might give it a try!
Radio confirmed in 6 dead GSM cases : 1.54.30.10
Radio stated in 5 dead GSM cases : 1.54.7
1.54.30.10 and 1.54.00.10 are known to have stability issues
Other 1.54 varients may have issues which are killing the radio hardware
As has been mentioned in other threads elsewhere and on another forum (win4mobiles) - there is presently an epidemic of GSM problems that seem to be plaguing users and either killing or bricking Hermes.
There are at least 14 cases around the Hermes area on this board now of people running a varient of radio 1.54 as their last radio then ending up with intermittent GSM or no radio - many being unable to roll back when problems start or finding bad blocks when telnetting into their phone to try and unbrick it.
I also have just learnt of another case here running 1.54.30.10 that's just died over xmas.
For technical discussion on these issues - see this thread
This is the one thing they all have in common and it's starting to look suspiciously like there may either be an issue with this radio or an issue with the radio when used on certain networks or combination of issues. Certainly, up to the 1.50 dying GSM modules was a little more uncommon and now there has been a splurge of them.
Just to remind some of the more inexperienced ROM experimenters out there - Hermes has a firmware driven radio in a custom chip and the radio images change how the hardware within the chip functions. It is quite possible for a bug in a radio to damage the hardware over time.
If the radio hardware itself gets fried then the only cure is a new motherboard, if the flash goes bad but the hardware isn't damaged then using the unbricking guide in the wiki you may be able to get some life back into it or roll it back.
So experienced users be careful until we know more, and inexperienced users please bear in mind that once you've found a radio that is good for you and works there is not much further point in trying every other radio.
Especially use caution with any versions of 1.54 at the moment until there has been more information collected about this.
Good to know...I'm staying away from that bad boy! It was odd that so many were having radio issues lately. thx for the notice!
A little alarmist..... That being said, read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349461
Boiling it down, it doesn't seem to have any reliance on specific radio rom versions...
Hello mikeapollo, why apollo do you live in beswick
Anyway back on topic ,i have upgraded to 1.54 and then down graded to 1.50 and have had no problems with either radio and i have flashed my device more times than i can remember over the last few months, so maybe i am just lucky.
What type of herme's are the ones that are being bricked hermes 100 or hermes 300?
mine died way before I upgraded to the 1.5x radio, I believe it first started showing problems with 1.38, or 1.4something.
I don't think it has anything to do with the radio, simply people upgrade, hoping the latest and greatest radio will solve or help their problems. Then the radio completly dies and they are stuck with the last radio flashed.
If the latest radio was 1.12, I think you would see the same thing happening.
CRCinAU said:
A little alarmist..... That being said, read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349461
Boiling it down, it doesn't seem to have any reliance on specific radio rom versions...
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Well, there is an implication from that thread that the problem is 1.54.xx based.
But the core of Mike's post is that programming/reprogramming radio ROMs is not the same as flashing the OS. The radio ROM drives the radio output directly so if it accidentally sets too high a level then it can be like turning up your home hifi amp too high. And just like your home hifi, you can blow it up.
So being more cautious with radio ROMs is sensible advice. If a radio works for you don't go seeking even better performance because that "better performance" might be at the cost of increased gain and eventual failure of the radio hardware.
Incidentally, my son works in radio design and tells me that radio circuits are very sensitive to heat and can be damaged by overheating.
Richard
eagercrow said:
mine died way before I upgraded to the 1.5x radio, I believe it first started showing problems with 1.38, or 1.4something.
I don't think it has anything to do with the radio, simply people upgrade, hoping the latest and greatest radio will solve or help their problems. Then the radio completly dies and they are stuck with the last radio flashed.
If the latest radio was 1.12, I think you would see the same thing happening.
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I see your point - thats why this thread is labeled potential problems... It is a warning and is not an alarmist statement of "This will kill your device" it is merely a caution that there are well documented cases of instability with this radio and there are growing numbers of dead radio modules which have all been using 1.54.x at time of death - and that death has occured within a few weeks of starting to use it.
Again, if you think that there is a sudden spate of dead radios because "things have worn out" then look at the evidence - Not everyones device is dying at the same rate but users of 1.54.x are seeing their devices dead within a very close timescale - usually 6-8 weeks of use. We've had lots of dead radio threads here but the amount over recent time is unpresedented and it's affecting both "young" and "older" devices.
If you cross-reference posts from the threads about 1.54.x some posters from there also posted in other threads about "odd" problems - then a month later have posted in the bricking threads saying their phone one morning just said "No GSM". Some of these devices appear to have been "new" - so unless they were exceptionally heavy users I think the rules out the devices wearing out. Again tho - they could have just been runts as you can get a duff one out of the box...
Radios normally don't just fail like that - the normal thing that happens is they degrade over time. The PGA that holds the firmware is also very resilient - once it's written unless something dramatic happens it will rarely just "grow" bad blocks overnight on it's own - particularly if it's turned on at the time - as it's structure is different to NAND memory (where your OS image is held).
So while it is certainly true that flashing 1.54.x will not instantly kill the device unless you're seriously unlucky - it looks like there may be an issue that either grows over time (a progressive effect) or causes dramatic sudden failure under certain usage scenarios (which may or may not be common to all areas/networks/bands/etc).
So if you're in a strong signal area and the radio hardware never needs to be driven "hard" by the firmware you may never experience a problem with this radio - but if you're in an area of variable or weak coverage it may just be driving the whole shebang too hard.
As Ree-shar has correctly said, the programmable arrays (where the radio firmware is held) and the output drivers in radio hardware are effected by heat - and looking at the facts, driving a higher power (gain) will generate more heat and drain a battery faster - that heat could be a factor in either the GSM hardware simply failing or (as has also been seen) the blocks in the PGA where the firmware itself is stored going "bad" therefore making it impossible to flash another radio image to it.
Again, it's not being alarmist it's about exercising caution that there could be a problem for SOME people with this radio and reminding the casual users of this forum of the basics about the radio images - and in particular :
having the latest release is NOT always the best option for your device,
many radios are developed for certain countries/networks/etc so one developed for an AT&T device in the US may not quite perform as intended when used in Europe so try and use one at least that is roughly native to where you are first if you can
Problems with heat, battery life, long drop out periods or "odd" radio issues can be a warning that something may not be right.
It is very possible for firmware to kill actual hardware (something people often forget).
Changing your radio will NOT fix broken SIM cards, WiFi, Bluetooth or external GPS problems, Nor will it magic up a signal from nowhere if you live in a crap coverage area.
Using firmware that drives the hardware harder in order to increase the gain of both the transmit element and recieve element in any radio module is usually at the expense of the lifespan of the radio device.
Always experiment cautiously, be aware of the risks and minimise them and read other peoples experiences before just taking the latest image and flashing it (ie - read the wiki, cross reference posts and take some time to do some research BEFORE flashing that new radio/rom/whatever!.
scousemartin said:
Hello mikeapollo, why apollo do you live in beswick
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LOL! Went to school in Beswick - but given the Apollo is in Ardwick...
It's a nickname that just stuck from yonks ago during a more theatrical time of my life.. (and I live in Moston now).
scousemartin said:
Anyway back on topic ,i have upgraded to 1.54 and then down graded to 1.50 and have had no problems with either radio and i have flashed my device more times than i can remember over the last few months, so maybe i am just lucky.
What type of herme's are the ones that are being bricked hermes 100 or hermes 300?
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From what I've cross referenced so far, 3 deaths have been Herm300 and 1 was stated to be a Herm200.
I'm trying to collate as much info as possible on this to find out if there is a definite correlation between this radio and certain models/networks/areas,
We've had dodgy radios released before but never a potential "suicide-bomb" radio hence my interest - (I'm still on 1.43 here with over 500hrs talk on the life timer and it's still going strong).
<conspiracy> On the other hand... Could 1.54.x have leaked out to help sales of the TyTN II </conspiracy>
Mikeapollo said:
having the latest release is NOT always the best option for your device,
many radios are developed for certain countries/networks/etc so one developed for an AT&T device in the US may not quite perform as intended when used in Europe so try and use one at least that is roughly native to where you are first if you can
Problems with heat, battery life, long drop out periods or "odd" radio issues can be a warning that something may not be right.
It is very possible for firmware to kill actual hardware (something people often forget).
Changing your radio will NOT fix broken SIM cards, WiFi, Bluetooth or external GPS problems, Nor will it magic up a signal from nowhere if you live in a crap coverage area.
Using firmware that drives the hardware harder in order to increase the gain of both the transmit element and recieve element in any radio module is usually at the expense of the lifespan of the radio device.
Always experiment cautiously, be aware of the risks and minimise them and read other peoples experiences before just taking the latest image and flashing it (ie - read the wiki, cross reference posts and take some time to do some research BEFORE flashing that new radio/rom/whatever!.
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Man, this should be put to the wiki or to the every new Radio ROM thread.
KarhU said:
Man, this should be put to the wiki or to the every new Radio ROM thread.
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Updated the wiki page with general advice.
I have been using 1.54.07.00 pretty much since I got my 8525 a few months ago and haven't any issues...yet . I flashed the 1.54.x radio when I tried out the official AT&T WM6 ROM, but since have been using schap's ROMs (no radio update). My question: is the official 1.54.07.00 radio from the AT&T WM6 ROM the same as getting a 1.54.07.00 from elsewhere?
gnahc79 said:
I have been using 1.54.07.00 pretty much since I got my 8525 a few months ago and haven't any issues...yet . I flashed the 1.54.x radio when I tried out the official AT&T WM6 ROM, but since have been using schap's ROMs (no radio update). My question: is the official 1.54.07.00 radio from the AT&T WM6 ROM the same as getting a 1.54.07.00 from elsewhere?
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Yes. The official AT&T 1.54.07.00 will be identical to the extracted 1.54.07.00 as thats where it was extracted from - the clue is in the numbers
Also, if you are using the official radio update for your device on your network you should nothave nothing to worry about - and of course if it turns out there is a problem with this bit of firmware you'll be well covered by your network & waranty anyway.
Incidentally, quite a few people who have suffered the mysterious sudden "NO GSM" death problem can still boot their phones to the OS but generally have been unable to re-flash the radio so in the event of death it still seems possible to "roll back" the OS ROM to "the proper one" for waranty reasons <ahem>
Latest update on research - and general advice
NO-GSM bricks - 28/11/07-03/01/08 (from forums)
Type Location Radio Sudden death info :
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H300 UK 1.54.00.10 Yes Problem from 1.50 T-Mob WM6
H200 unknown 1.54.00.10 yes Unable to reflash radio
H100 Netherlands 1.54.30.10 no Gradual loss of service
H100 unknown 1.54.00.10 yes Died on soft reset
H100 Netherlands 1.54.00.10 yes Died after 12 days
H300 Germany 1.54.00.10 yes Died after 4 weeks
H100 Iran 1.54 stated apparently Died on hard reset
H300 UK 1.54.7 yes Dropouts then dead
H300 UK 1.54.30.10 yes Died rolling to 1.38
H300 Germany 1.54.00.10 yes Died after soft reset
H100 Netherlands 1.54.00.10 Yes GSM increasingly unrealible
H100 Singapore 1.48 yes No GSM after flashing black PRO
H300 Germany 1.54.00.10 yes Died after soft reset (2wks in)
H200 Pakistan 1.50 yes died reverting to 1.48
H300 UK 1.54.30 yes Unable re-flash bad blocks
H100 unknown 1.57 (?????) yes died in use 2 days post flash
n/A Spain 1.51 yes batt hot / 1wk then GSM fail
n/a UK 1.54.7 unsure GSM bad - Died flashing 1.4x
There are another 12 which I don't have quite enough detail on yet to class as a "No-GSM brick" so am not presently including them in this table.
Stats so far :
12 x European found and confirmed failures of which :
* most unable to roll back radio
* if able to - failure still occurs or
* All died after some sort of 1.54.xx flash regardless of rollback
* Majority seem to be European failures many on T-Mobile in Germany/Netherlands and UK
Pakistan/Iran - Actual ROMs and circumstances not clear. 1.5x quoted but no confirmation.
Singapore 1.48 failure - Included in list as failed between 28/11 - present.
NB
Statistically, more people are likely to run the more-recent ROMS so while the
evidence here appears to show that there is a risk with the 1.5x radios - many people with a TyTN in a questionable state of health will be running them anyway so do bear this in mind. Use this info to make an informed choice!!!
The common trend appears to indicate problems starting after flashing a 1.5x radio and staying even if they roll back *OR* dying when trying to flash a lower radio - Again, not conclusive but building a picture.
OFFICIAL updates
Users who are downloading OFFICIAL updates from their network operator, HTC or any other "official" source should not need to worry - whether there is an issue or not with radios 1.5x your network should support you in the case of failure as you have an "official" update. Especially as the "official" updates containing radio 1.51.xx and above seem to be in areas where "no gsm bricks" are not being commonly reported (as of yet).
General radio issues
To clarify one point many seem confused about - Your signal lock, radio stability etc is generally unaffected by the OS ROM as the GSM stuff is handled by the RIL itself.
The issues of things like the "dialler going weird", applications locking up, etc are generally NOT related to the radio ROM and are related to the OS ROM or combination of 3rd party apps/hacks and OS ROM.
Issues with "lost calls" or "unconnected calls" or "bad data" can be caused by the network itself. The T-Mobile 3G network in the UK is a good example where it has "off" days in some areas where people miss calls (phone never rings) or need to make 10 attempts to dial out.
Switching to GSM for a while, trying another networks SIM card or moving area often magically "fixes" these issues and by the time the user puts their own SIM back in or moves back into area the network has got it's act together again ;-)
Radio roms themselves only affect the radio interface layer (RIL) - the OS "calls" this when it needs to use it and this is where many people seem to be mixing up the issue of "stability" of a radio and "stability" of an OS ROM/application. (remember, the dialler IS an application)
If a radio is unstable - you may experience GSM/3G dropouts, calls breaking up, slow dialling or long signal searches but your OS should on the whole function fine.
If an OS or application is unstable - you may experience dialler lockup or failed calls (remember, the RIL tells windows to tell YOU that you have a call!)
but your GSM/3G signal should be solid, switch between bands and log on and off the network without any fuss.
Overall stability is not just dependent on the OS ROM you are using but also 3rd party applications. Problem solve your device BEFORE just flashing a radio to try and fix an issue as it may give you a nasty surprise and introduce MORE issues - then troubleshooting becomes even harder still and we end up where we are today...
When It's broke, It's BROKE
Some radios work better than others on different networks in different places - that has (and always will!) be the case. People though have become complacent in thinking that they are safe running any old bit of radio code from anywhere and are not looking into what effects it can have.
Many flashers don't even know that mismatched radio bootloaders can cause a brick and will have several fun-packed hours sat down trying to turn it into an "unbrick" (or just make it worse turning it into a breezeblock )
The radio rom itself effects how the RIL talks to the OS (windows) and how your signals get transmitted to the base station. Two separate things. Usually, the main bit which radio updates change is the radio stack itself - the bit between the radio hardware and windows - with minor tweaks to the radio hardware itself and how it's driven.
However, it is possible as well for a radio rom to drastically change how the radio hardware (the tiny transmitter in your phone) transmits
its signal onto the network... The tiny transmitter might have a current limit of, say, 50mA but there is nothing except software
to limit the current to 50mA... And software can have bugs or can be tweaked and could accidentally drive 100mA through it and burn the device out if it's in a given situation (like a poor reception area, switching bands etc)
IF (and it's a big if) you find that a poor radio has actually done something like this and caused physical damage to the radio hardware itself (overdriven an output for example) then
unfortunately that's it... It's knackered. No amount of rolling back will fix it to how it was. Like driving an LED with too much
voltage - it will never burn as brightly as it should have done had the specifications been followed in the first place.
Therefore, *IF* a radio like 1.5x turns out to have a bug and has introduced problems with the radio hardware itself - upgrading it or downgrading it will mean the problem will remain - At this point the only cure will be to have the whole radio PGA hardware replaced by a service centre.
Hence the importance of finding out *IF* we are seeing European devices being damaged in this way.
The better news about the RADIO failures (roll-back for warranty)
Most people who have experienced these recent failures find their OS will still boot - in which case it is possible to "roll it back" to how it was if you are under warranty. Don't worry about rolling back the radio - if it's dead it's screwed anyway so doesn't show any trace of what
radio ROM was on it in the first place. Just get the correct OS and bootloaders back on it.
T-MOBILE UK OFFICIAL WM6 ROM WARNING
I've given T-Mobile UK a call about this one... The "official" T-Mobile UK WM6 ROM is in effect a beta and while it is on Tmobiles own site, it IS NOT officially supported by T-Mobile
(according to tech support) and was not meant for general release. Therefore should be treated with caution until more is known and researched - however technically you should be supported and can roll back the device if necessary anyway to the official Tmobile WM5 ROM for warranty (which is, at least at the moment, available on their download site).
This ROM appears to contain radio 1.50 - ONE user (Sbirsen - view post) confirms he had problem introduced with radio 1.50 which was a perfectly working vario II, he upgraded to 1.54 and down but still suffered the problems which 1.50 introduced.
Despite his very kind assurance that there is clearly no problem with radio 1.54 we do not know if his device is dead or alive as he's moved onto trying to brick a TyTN-II due to getting fed up with radio issues apparently not caused by his radio flash
Back to unsarcastic mode - I suspect by T-Mobiles response - he is not the only one and some drilling on the board here may reveal more over the next
few weeks.
This ROM may also be pulled over the next few days due to "feedback issues" - sorry no more info on that one.
IN the mean time please just be careful when selecting your radios, fault find FIRST before thinking a flash will magic up a solution, do your research *properly* and look out for warning signs.
Further update - possible resolution to try if you've having intermittent problems and a very long theory posted here
In short - My thinking is if there is a bug in this radio it will be something to do with the PIC16LF72 chip with the D/A and A/D stuff that drives and measures outputs from the phyiscal hardware radio chips (the Qualcomm ones and the Anadigics amplifiers) on the main mobo.
A small firmware bug affecting values returned from D/A and A/D measurements
This bug or whatever causes either false return values or bad data
This causes radio to work harder
This then either causes wear or heat based issues on the PIC effecting the storage area and causing bad blocks (death) or causes damage to the rest of the radio chipset (qualcomm and anadigics amps).
PS. If any tech support desk needs a bum on seat in either North-West or the South East of the UK - I am now OFFICIALLY AVAILABLE FOR HIRE as I'm officially unemployed from tomorrow morning! I don't have a degree so never get through the paper sift (hence unemployed) but do have the experience and skills and plenty of developers certificates..I-thank-you.
Mike,
Heres another UK Tmobile Herm 300 thats Died
For the record this phone was brand new on 17th December 2007; only been flashed once to the official T-Mobile WM6.
timbouk said:
Mike,
Heres another UK Tmobile Herm 300 thats Died
For the record this phone was brand new on 17th December 2007; only been flashed once to the official T-Mobile WM6.
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God they're dropping like flies! Sorry to hear about that
Bit concerning though as IIRC the TMUK rom is radio 1.50 but that's the 3rd report of someone having problems introduced by it. (will have to pull the .nhb apart and check). Cheers for the tipoff.
I fear the Hermes will soon be an endangered species - must be a marketing plan by HTC to flog the kieser
Edit :: durr - of course it's radio 1.50 - even your sig says that - I'm rebooting my braincell as I type
Yes, its the 1.50 (My signiture has correct details)
Not sure if this is worthy info; but at work one side of my building has a very low signal strength, so the radio works very hard to keep up the connection. I can tell it is as my battery can be virtually flat after, say, 6 hours!
Maybe its poor signal areas accelerating the radio deterioration?
I got 1.50, and I still have occasional issues, such as hardware buttons that stop functioning.
What other radio could possibly be safer? Maybe 1.43 or 1.47. I kind of remember they used to serve me well.
Mikeapollo said:
PS. If any tech support desk needs a bum on seat in either North-West or the South East of the UK - I am now OFFICIALLY AVAILABLE FOR HIRE as I'm officially unemployed from tomorrow morning! I don't have a degree so never get through the paper sift (hence unemployed) but do have the experience and skills and plenty of developers certificates..I-thank-you.
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Would be glad to propose you such offer if I could... In the mean time, you definitely should post the same in the main section, given most viewers here are in the tech industry.
im using the 1.54.30.10 for last 2 months and its workg absolutely fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi all,
in all the ROM-threads we talk about the different radio-versions. As call quality has been THE major issue on our device I decided to make up a new thread only for radio. Hope it is ok..
I`m using Novembre5 german rom #1 with radio 5005.1600.05. The complaints about" I can´t hear you..." seem to increase in comparison to the official toshiba Swiss ROM I used before. I`m using german vodafone network, dk if its important.
Maybe we can compare our experiences with the different radios to help our great cooks to implement the"perfekt" radio for our TG01..
THX to all
DubRas
I guess it will depend were you are. I have tried most of the roms that had been posted here. For the purpose of testing the call quality I spent about two hours trying the roms. The original problem I had with this is the person the other end sometimes can not here me properly. A problem I did not have since I upgraded to the official toshiba rom 6.5.0. When I had november's 6.5.5 rom running to my surprise i had a worst call quality, the qualityon both sides was bad. So I tested the different roms and as a result the radio from the official toshiba upgrade is the best one for me. I am in the UK so it might be a different case with other people on other country.
And just a note the radio version that everyone is using now is originaly release for china so it might not be design for other countrys network. I guess!
Also I have posted this in a couple of threads and aragon said that he can do a tool to easily change the radio on roms. I hope it materials. so thubs up from me.
Just to add. Im using aragon's TG01 Debranded Orange UK - 6.5.0 ROM v0.010 which works perfect for me at the moment. loads of space for program and ram after installing all my apps especially for call quality issue.
Big up.. to aragon
so maybe we, the "european" users, should vote for an 6.5.5-ROM with the official UK-Radio. Or, if aragon gets an "easy-radio-update-tool" to work, we might be able to do it ourselves...
It seems that FFBOY radio layer is better, that what I can see, but it's not easy, because all ROM works well, with some diffenreces.... No need of SRSWOW with ffboy's ROM.
DubRas said:
so maybe we, the "european" users, should vote for an 6.5.5-ROM with the official UK-Radio. Or, if aragon gets an "easy-radio-update-tool" to work, we might be able to do it ourselves...
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I'm from Romania this means from Europe here only work the latest Hong Kong radio driver 5005.1600.05 the other one from official UK keep getting problems in call quality.
Do i get that right: there seems to be no easy answer to the question: which is the best radio? Cant believe it, but my technical knowledge is maybe much too low for that. The "Easy-radio-update-tool" might be a possibility for every single user to find the radio that works best for him and in his country/network. So hopefully a tool like that will appear sometime in the future.
im using the newest offical tosh 6.5 update cooked with the
5005.1600.05 radio by aragon this has drastically improved my sound quality i no longer need srswow plus as it the offical rom there is not bugs ect
useyourfist said:
im using the newest offical tosh 6.5 update cooked with the
5005.1600.05 radio by aragon this has drastically improved my sound quality i no longer need srswow plus as it the offical rom there is not bugs ect
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Yes i can confirm that too.
useyourfist said:
im using the newest offical tosh 6.5 update cooked with the
5005.1600.05 radio by aragon this has drastically improved my sound quality i no longer need srswow plus as it the offical rom there is not bugs ect
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What country of you used
I use WM 6.1, but only chinese version... i don't understand nothing, but....... radio works perfectly in my country. it's the first time, when my phone works good, when i am talking with somebody... you can find this rom in the ffboys rom link (somewhere in last posts there is a link for 6.1)I AM VERY SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH
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What country of you used
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i use uk/english rom
Strange. I've been using ffboy's Sense Rom with 5005.1600.05 radio and my call quality is worse. Loads of people here are saying it was better for them. Mind you, it was the same story with the original 6.5 update. Loss of people had problems, but others swore blind that it was perfect for them, with some even suggesting that we must have had a bad batch with a unique hardware fault. I think it's fair to say I ruled that out. I've had 8, some of them refurbs, but the last two were brand new replacements. They were all the same for me. A couple of people suggested it was more to do with varying quality in beteen gsm or 3g areas of network coverage.
One thing I noticed that helped sometimes was to change the volume slider up or down and for some strange reason, the other caller would say that it was better, but then it would get bad again after a few minutes. I once tried dialing my own number and leaving a message on my own voicemail to see what was happening and I discovered that the sound started breaking up particularly at the point when the screen turns off shortly after the start of the call. Anyone else noticed that?
Confused.
Like some others, I found the latest UK Toshiba update to be the best for me so far, although not prefect.
Has anyone had problems with 5005.1700.05?
i had big problems with the 1700 radio. So i had to go back on a rom with a 1600 radio.
I tried 1600 radio version it is not that good. My friend can hear heavy echoing and the time for phone to response is too slow(in my case 20 secs later). WM6.1 has much better radio quality.
I used Japanese version of tg01, when flashed Uk rom radio dont changed, how to change radio for this version ? plz help me, this radio version is really suck (sorry my bad english)
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i had big problems with the 1700 radio. So i had to go back on a rom with a 1600 radio.
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hi,
same experince for me.
switch radio
Is it posible to switch radios without swithing rom's?
Hi Everybody,
I would like to know ,What is the meaning of radio version number? 1500,1600,1700 it mean frequency?(5005.1500.05,5005.1600.05,5005.1700.05)
@MeePooh said:
Hi Everybody,
I would like to know ,What is the meaning of radio version number? 1500,1600,1700 it mean frequency?(5005.1500.05,5005.1600.05,5005.1700.05)
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No frequency related, those(&many others) are radio software versions (generally fitted to certain ROM versions, depending on country?!), so far nobody knows precisely differences between them...
Hey guys,
in all recent roms Froyd Villain, Elelinux´s roms I experience that my data connection breaks down after some hours (sometimes days) and I have to restart my hero to get it going again. Additionaly my WiFi has similar problems too, just that it sometimes breaks down after some minutes so I looked for Radio updates.
All the radio threads I could find are older and it does not seem that there are recent radio updates out, so I wanted to ask which one do you guys use or where can I find recent ones?
I am European, from Luxembourg next to Germany so I guess the European radios should work
Thanks in advance
Have had this myself too. My theory is that its not radio related but maybe CPU settings. Radio flashing feels like russian roulette cos have done it myself a few times but not really sure if there was any difference. Heard that villain had a good list of radios, but don't be suprised if you already have the latest or that any make much difference : )
timbohobbs said:
Have had this myself too. My theory is that its not radio related but maybe CPU settings. Radio flashing feels like russian roulette cos have done it myself a few times but not really sure if there was any difference. Heard that villain had a good list of radios, but don't be suprised if you already have the latest or that any make much difference : )
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Yeah I checked it out but the post was around a year old so I don´t know how accurate it still is. For the rest I agree, radio updates are kind of russian roulette but atm its the only thing that I suspect could work (even though my issue is not a worst case scenario but I d still prefer it to work properly).
SchinTeth said:
Yeah I checked it out but the post was around a year old so I don´t know how accurate it still is. For the rest I agree, radio updates are kind of russian roulette but atm its the only thing that I suspect could work (even though my issue is not a worst case scenario but I d still prefer it to work properly).
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My radio
63.18.55.06.SU._6.35.17.03
Flashed this about 4 months ago and was the very latest at the time,not sure if there are any more up to date than that. May still have the zip if you need : )
Thanks, no I have found it, I ll flash it and see how it works.
SchinTeth said:
Hey guys,
in all recent roms Froyd Villain, Elelinux´s roms I experience that my data connection breaks down after some hours (sometimes days) and I have to restart my hero to get it going again. Additionaly my WiFi has similar problems too, just that it sometimes breaks down after some minutes so I looked for Radio updates.
All the radio threads I could find are older and it does not seem that there are recent radio updates out, so I wanted to ask which one do you guys use or where can I find recent ones?
I am European, from Luxembourg next to Germany so I guess the European radios should work
Thanks in advance
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Latest radios are listed at http://www.villainrom.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/307-Gsm-Hero-Radio-Roms-Download-Links
Thank you, thats the site that I found but I wasn´t sure if it was still updated so...but thx.
Btw: Sorry for posting in the wrong section