I've spent the last few days reading wikis, guides and threads about upgrading my Tytn, but I still have a few questions:
This guide describes a method for preventing hard-SPL from being overwritten with another bootloader. If I understand it correctly, this is only a problem with original shipped ROMs, and not with the ROMs cooked by the people here. Is this correct? Can I upgrade with any of the custom ROMs here without worrying about overwriting the bootloader?
Are the radio ROMs country or region specific or can I use any radio ROM from all over the planet?
Can I run into any problems if I try to downgrade the radio ROM? If I remember correctly, there was a a lot of trouble with this in the old days when I played around with the ROMs on my Wallaby (and I still had the future ahead of me).
Olipro wrote HardSPL so that it wouldnt allow itself to be overwritten, as far as i know you can overwrite HardSPL by using SSPL (the software bootloader which runs in RAM and not from the devices flash memory area as a normal bootloader does).
Dont worry.... upgrade to HardSPL v2.10 and then you can flash any ROM you like. Some carrier RUUs wont recognise the newer SPL so might not be happy with it. Depends on what ROM you wish to use.
Radio ROMs are pretty much universal however the best ones generally acknowledged are 1.47 or 1.48 (any variant)....as newer ones are unstable and seem to use the battery alot more.
Thanks for a quick and informative reply, mrvanx. And for the brilliant guides!
However, your answer left me with a couple of other questions.
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Olipro wrote HardSPL so that it wouldnt allow itself to be overwritten
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If Hard-SPL cannot be overwritten, is there ever a need for the method I linked to in my previous post? Also - I thought one of the benefits with Hard-SPL was that it can be removed (and the original BL brought back to life) by flashing an official ROM.
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as far as i know you can overwrite HardSPL by using SSPL (the software bootloader which runs in RAM and not from the devices flash memory area as a normal bootloader does).
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If I understand you correctly, you're saying that if I really want to overwrite Hard-SPL, I can do so using the SSPL, but upgrading with custom ROMs having SSPL bundled with them won't mess up Hard-SPL?
Sorry if these are stupid questions, but I'm a bit afraid of bricking the Tytn I'm currently borrowing from a friend
Update to HardSPL....safe in the knowledge that you CAN revert it back to stock if you wish, the details arent necessary dude. Go for it....its the best thing to do even if you dont change the ROM since the latest radios take advantage of the faster radio flashing technique in later SPLs.
You DRAMATICALLY reduce the risk of bricking the device by flashing HardSPL first.
Were you planning on using any particular flavour of ROM?
I have a thing for details, but I'll take your word and flash the Hard-SPL
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Were you planning on using any particular flavour of ROM?
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Currently I have WM5, so any WM6 would probably be an improvement. I'm hoping to be able to play around a bit with different ROMs as soon as I feel pretty safe about bricking. Some of the light ROMs look very attractive, especially these ones: K's Rom v1.30a Lite, Schap's WM6 Pro 4.30 ROM and Shamanix`s Grass v2.2.
I would also like to try the full version of both Schap's and kin0kin's. Especially the last one because of the auto installation feature.
But I haven't looked closely at all the different ROMs yet, so there might be others that suits my needs better. My only prerequisite is .NET Compact Framework 3.5. If you have a favourite, let me know
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I have a thing for details, but I'll take your word and flash the Hard-SPL
Currently I have WM5, so any WM6 would probably be an improvement. I'm hoping to be able to play around a bit with different ROMs as soon as I feel pretty safe about bricking. Some of the light ROMs look very attractive, especially these ones: K's Rom v1.30a Lite, Schap's WM6 Pro 4.30 ROM and Shamanix`s Grass v2.2.
I would also like to try the full version of both Schap's and kin0kin's. Especially the last one because of the auto installation feature.
But I haven't looked closely at all the different ROMs yet, so there might be others that suits my needs better. My only prerequisite is .NET Compact Framework 3.5. If you have a favourite, let me know
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Pandora Naked 6, by far the fastest and is also very stable.
You can cook your own ROM....follow the instructions in the pandora kitchen thread...its REALLY easy.
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I've extracted the radio ROM from latest Trinity ROM and packaged here as a standalone NBH radio upgrade:
HERM_RADIO_1.38.00.11_Only_SSPL.rarThis radio has HTC_BOOT 0108 and GPS enabled.
Keep in mind that the safest procedure to upgrade your radio right now is:
Flash Hard-SPL v1.10.Oli on your phone
Flash the desired radio upgrade using the RUU package
Both steps have to be done with phone connected to computer through USB cable and activesync enabled, Des SSPL will be pushed into your phone when the RUU starts.
Remember that when flashing a radio only you don't need to hard-reset your phone, so no data will be lost.
Enjoy!
Excellent! Have you given this radio a work-out yet??
still flashing 92%
Edit: Flashed and working fine (see attached image), but still haven't seen any noticeable difference
What news with this radio ? most stable, battery ingrasse ?
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Keep in mind that the safest procedure to upgrade your radio right now is:
Flash Hard-SPL v1.10.Oli on your phone
Flash the desired radio upgrade using the RUU package
Enjoy!
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Pof ,I understand 1.10.Oli will somehow protect us from bricking device by flashing a wrong radio.But since it is base on 1.04 ,so it will not support Radio BL 0108,so if I am now having 0108 here,and I flash this rodio 1.38,and I got a bad flash,I still can not repair my device.Is that right?
Radio-BL 0108 or something newer?
Hope the battery-duration will be better than in 1.35 Radio
@qvik123: If that happens you have two options to unbrick your device:
1) wait for a hard SPL based on 1.09 (which AFAIK Des will release soon), once you have it reflash the radio again.
2) You will still be able to flash an OS only because hardSPL will still keep the "fake" SuperCID on your device, so flash a OS image with KITL enabled and then use the KITL mehtod to unbrick your device with Platform Builder.
By any means, if **** happens do not overwrite 1.10.Oli with other bootloader.
Thanks Pof,you just answered the question which kept me thinking since Hard SPL released.Flashing this one,now by 30%.
flashed 1.01 oli, flashed 1.38.00.11 - no problem, BUT when I flashing/updating (or possibly bricking ) device, I like to know what exactly is a differences between versions, only one think I know about 1.38.00.11 is, that this version have GPS enabled. Thats all. Is any changelog, or list of changed/updated/improved features inside of roms? I know, that you just dump this rom from device, but it is really nice to know, if it is necessary. perhaps we should created one special thread with differences between versions, to better orientation (sorry if I miss this one, but I think at this time doesnt exist)... guys - thx for your work anyway
Thanks Pof I am going to upgrade.
ok a little lost on the process can I just download the 1.38 file and that will upgrade it or do i have to do something to the boot loader first? Sorry for the simple question.
yes, the question is really simple. but there is one more think you can do... read all this thread, and also this one. all necessary information is in there. and if you dont want to have 700$ paperweight, I really recommend to read all information about flashing procedures in wiki - here before you start. in any case of question or problem, do not hesitate to write some posts, but if anybody ask similar question like you, without some reading, which, yes, need a some time, then If somebody want to find any relevant and usefull information, must read about 60 % pointless posts... it is nothing personal, just for your info. forums is about people, and people keep forums alive.
you did not provide us any information about you current version of OS/ROM, BL version, for me it was easy, just extracted Hard-SPL.zip, runned ROMUpgradeUt.exe - after reset I have oli BL, then you can run HERM_RADIO_1.38.00.11_Only_SSPL.rar.... there is much much more knowledge about that, so try wiki first, it is only for you own good.
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ok a little lost on the process can I just download the 1.38 file and that will upgrade it or do i have to do something to the boot loader first? Sorry for the simple question.
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sinmae said:
....just extracted Hard-SPL.zip, runned ROMUpgradeUt.exe - after reset I have oli BL, then you can run HERM_RADIO_1.38.00.11_Only_SSPL.rar.... there is much much more knowledge about that, so try wiki first, it is only for you own good.
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Yes definatly read the wiki etc... but also do as sinmae has done and load a HardSPL first, this is especially relevant when flashing radios.
@pof are you also running a HardSPL based bootloader??
...can somene put this ROM on Rapidshare or somewhere else, cause XDA FTP is not working
Regards,
Primoz
any feedbaack with wm6 roms
has anyone tried this radio with wm6 and whats the advantage over radio 1.35. i have got wm6 running with radio 1.35 running very good with no issues and lock ups.
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Is any changelog, or list of changed/updated/improved features inside of roms? I know, that you just dump this rom from device, but it is really nice to know, if it is necessary.
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Unfortunately HTC keeps this information private, so there's no ChangeLog.
The radio was not dumped from a device, but extracted from 1.23.408.1 Italian Trinity ROM.
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@pof are you also running a HardSPL based bootloader??
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Yes, I'm running 1.10.Oli right now.
Pc78 said:
XDA FTP is not working
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It's fixed now, try to download again. The server has been down during last hours, but it should be all fixed now.
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has anyone tried this radio with wm6 and whats the advantage over radio 1.35.
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Yes, I tried only with WM6. We don't know the difference / advantage, just that it's a newer (higher) radio version.
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has anyone tried this radio with wm6 and whats the advantage over radio 1.35. i have got wm6 running with radio 1.35 running very good with no issues and lock ups.
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The download server was down now running!!!!!
Just upgraded to radio 1.38 from 1.35 and I am running xdalive first release WM6 on O2 3g. Since the upgrade I am pretty sure the phone signal is now stronger as I have tested it in areas around my home and outside that got no signal, especially near my pc. I can now make a call next to my pc with 3 bars on the signal meter! The signal does not drop so much, I will test further and report back any problems, but so far so good.
Please let me know how you get on.
Can somebody compare the battery duration between this Radio and 1.34?
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Can somebody compare the battery duration between this Radio and 1.34?
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I will let you know on that one as I had it fully charged for the radio upgrade. I will keep an eye on it and report back.
I was about to down grade my radio back to .1.27 or earlier beacause of my UTMS reception in Brisbane (AU) and also the battery life. So i will also let you all know how this goes.
OK now before U start cursing me, please hear me out first.
I have a HTC TyTN in German, and I can make squad out of it cause I don't understand this language. (it was a gift btw)
Now I have gone trough the manuals and trough wiki but for a total beginner like my self a lot of this stuff is confusing. So here is my plead:
Can anyone put in a small manual how to convert this German speaking HTC TyTN in to nice and understandable English one
Now when I do the OK+POWER+Reset stuff this is what shows up on the screen:
HERM200
IPL 1.00
SPL 1.06
The Phone Info on the other side shows this mambo jumbo:
ROM-version: 1.18.257.2
ROM-datum: 07/22/06
Funkempfangerversion: 1.03.03.10 (told U is in German)
Protokoll-version: 32.34.7010.01H
ExtROM-version: 1.18.257.8003
Now keep in mind this is the only place that I have found that has this kind of info so go easy on me.
Thank U kindly for any given help!
re
You have to flash a new ROM. Maybe you find the original english one?
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You have to flash a new ROM. Maybe you find the original english one?
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Well that much i know, but the exact procedure is a tough one.
That is why I was hoping that some more experienced user will help me out.
10x anyways.
D_NazGUL said:
Well that much i know, but the exact procedure is a tough one.
That is why I was hoping that some more experienced user will help me out.
10x anyways.
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Have a look here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
First of all you will want to Sim/CID unlock your phone.
That is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293665
Then flash HardSPL, to help make sure you dont brick your phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296722
Now, you can flash yourself a custom rom, or a shipped rom.
List of shiped roms:
WM6: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Available Original Shipped WM6 ROM Versions
A nice list of active cooked roms:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403963
Out of the cooked roms I like CRC's the best, I would go for 11.2 if you need 100% stability, or 12.8 normal if you don't mind a faster but "beta" rom, not that I have ever found his roms to be buggy.
PDACornerPro.V19's is also popular (Would recommend going for "RBSN" if you chose his)
And MRH's are more "loaded" roms cooked off CRC's.
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Have a look here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
First of all you will want to Sim/CID unlock your phone.
That is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293665
Then flash HardSPL, to help make sure you dont brick your phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296722
Now, you can flash yourself a custom rom, or a shipped rom.
List of shiped roms:
WM6: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Available Original Shipped WM6 ROM Versions
A nice list of active cooked roms:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403963
Out of the cooked roms I like CRC's the best, I would go for 11.2 if you need 100% stability, or 12.8 normal if you don't mind a faster but "beta" rom, not that I have ever found his roms to be buggy.
PDACornerPro.V19's is also popular (Would recommend going for "RBSN" if you chose his)
And MRH's are more "loaded" roms cooked off CRC's.
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Well this is exactly what I was looking for.
Just one more thing: Tell me what would be the most appropriate ROM, cause I just wanna change to English language, I'm not looking for anything extra!
10x mate!
veyka said:
Have a look here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
First of all you will want to Sim/CID unlock your phone.
That is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293665
Then flash HardSPL, to help make sure you dont brick your phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296722
Now, you can flash yourself a custom rom, or a shipped rom.
List of shiped roms:
WM6: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Available Original Shipped WM6 ROM Versions
A nice list of active cooked roms:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403963
Out of the cooked roms I like CRC's the best, I would go for 11.2 if you need 100% stability, or 12.8 normal if you don't mind a faster but "beta" rom, not that I have ever found his roms to be buggy.
PDACornerPro.V19's is also popular (Would recommend going for "RBSN" if you chose his)
And MRH's are more "loaded" roms cooked off CRC's.
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I just wanna say THANK YOU MATE!
I did it. Used CRC 11.2 and is on English an working just fine.
THANK U AGAIN!
D_NazGUL said:
I just wanna say THANK YOU MATE!
I did it. Used CRC 11.2 and is on English an working just fine.
THANK U AGAIN!
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Happy to help! Glad it worked for you! The first time is always the hardest!
I'm a newbie here and considering the purchase of a used X7500 with WM6.0. The current owner has a problem with the bluetooth not functioning. I'm wondering if this might be a common problem with 6.0 and if the new cooked 6.1 (4 – if that’s the latest rom version) might solve such an issue?
Also, would someone mind directing me to the page that has the most popular /cleanest 6.1 rom? I’m tearing my hair out trying to figure out which is the safest/best one to use. I realize that such questions have been asked before, but it's still a big job trying to sift through all the possibilities. Perhaps a sticky including an on-going tally chart with download frequencies or something, together with tags that users could add about what issues their hoping to overcome with the ROM download?? Just a suggestion...
Peter (Bamse1)
Hard to say....
LATEST usually is better, generally speaking we have to choose FIRST the SPL
Unlocked AThena means SPL 1.2. The newest ATHENA (X7510) needs more ROM space so AP4 Team developed the AP4 ROM TOGETHER with a tool to increase the ROM space, and the SPL becames SPL 3.5.
WARNING: you can flash ONLY SPL compatible ROMs, this means NO ORIGINAL ROM is SPL 3.5 . You have to revert it back to 1.2 to flash any official rom
We have a sticky thread here with the ROM links, ALL WM6 or 6.1
Latest Micky's (5.1, 6.1) are the best (IMHO) 6.1 latest is WM6.1, stable build with manila 2d and newest Internet Explorer , little less stable than 5.1, rock solid. I use SPL 3.5, I like to have ALL the utility needed into the ROM.
You can choose sogarth base AND sogarth kitchen to do-it-yourself or IRUS lite-vanilla ROM (the AP4 vanilla)
I will suggest this roadmap:
Start with IRUS spl 1.2, then
Flash AP4, latest AP team release an you will have the SPL 3.5 too
Then check sogarth, or Irus Vanilla-Lite release
Michy 5.1 or 6.1 to check the manila 2d and the increased responsiveness
Wait for the next michy's release if you want really lite and newest build
Thank you for replying so quickly Sergiopi. Still, the lingo is a bit overwhelming for a newbie like me. For instance, one issue is confusing: You write that SPL 3.5 is intended for the X7510 but later on your roadmap you suggest AP4 (including SPL3.5) for the X7500. To confirm, this will not harm the X7500, correct?
If I understand half of what you say then I may 'liberate' the UNLOCKED X7500 with an OEM WM6.0 (from HTC) by
1. Flashing IRUS SPL 1.2 (No turning back now right?)
2. Then flashing AP4 (Question: is AP4 WM6.0 or 6.1?)
3. Here it gets confusing for me. If I understand correctly then "sogarth, or Irus Vanilla-Lite release Michy 5.1 or 6.1 to check the manila 2d" are all different update versions stemming from AP4?? For instance is Michy 6.1 a 'cooked' version of WM6.1, along with the rest of them?
I don't need everything tweaked to the max, just a stable and reliable system that has all the functionality the X7500 is capable of together with the basic apps... a modest aim don't you agree?
The cream on top would be to replace the stylus with TouchFLO 3D - is this possible with one of the cooked roms you mention? However, this is not really necessary - kind of gimmicky from one point of view I suppose. In fact, did I read somewhere that FLO actually slows things down?
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Thank you for replying so quickly Sergiopi. Still, the lingo is a bit overwhelming for a newbie like me. For instance, one issue is confusing: You write that SPL 3.5 is intended for the X7510 but later on your roadmap you suggest AP4 (including SPL3.5) for the X7500. To confirm, this will not harm the X7500, correct?
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SPL 3.5 is needed on X7500 to have the newest features in the ROM
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If I understand half of what you say then I may 'liberate' the UNLOCKED X7500 with an OEM WM6.0 (from HTC) by
1. Flashing IRUS SPL 1.2 (No turning back now right?)
2. Then flashing AP4 (Question: is AP4 WM6.0 or 6.1?)
3. Here it gets confusing for me. If I understand correctly then "sogarth, or Irus Vanilla-Lite release Michy 5.1 or 6.1 to check the manila 2d" are all different update versions stemming from AP4?? For instance is Michy 6.1 a 'cooked' version of WM6.1, along with the rest of them?
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If you have a "STOCK", SIM unlocked X7500, to flash a non official ROM you need to flash the SPL 1.2 FIRST ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316846 )
THEN you need to upgrade the radio 1.57 or 1.58, I am using 1.57 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372904
THEN you can flash the newest OS, (ALL cooked ROM are OS only, no RADIO, even if I am not sure about radio in the sogarth one, and the newest RADIO is needed by WM 6.1)
1) SPL 1.2 comes from Athena Wrapper, you can revert back but isn't easy for a newbie..
2) AP4 shoulh be WM6.1 OS check the thread Michy's are WM6.1
3) NO, IRUS vanilla comes from AP4, sogarth ? (may be they used some common base ROM) michy's aren't from AP4
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I don't need everything tweaked to the max, just a stable and reliable system that has all the functionality the X7500 is capable of together with the basic apps... a modest aim don't you agree?
The cream on top would be to replace the stylus with TouchFLO 3D - is this possible with one of the cooked roms you mention? However, this is not really necessary - kind of gimmicky from one point of view I suppose. In fact, did I read somewhere that FLO actually slows things down?
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Touchflo 3d isn't available for athena, Manila 2d looks like (and works like) T3D, reducing available RAM and slowing down the system
Start testing, from your requirements I think you will like Michy's 6.1 (play with T3D clone and disable it after a while ) and the announced Michy's vanilla. AP team announced some news, but it was one month ago and they are still testing...
Well this certainly helps dry up the mist! The point about the radio seems like an important addition. I'm still not clear about one point however:
2) AP4 shoulh be WM6.1 OS check the thread Michy's are WM6.1 ... 3) NO, IRUS vanilla comes from AP4, sogarth ? (maybe they used some common base ROM) michy's aren't from AP4
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Again, my primary aim is to get the cleanest and most fully-functional version of WM6.1 with the least amount of steps or tweaking. Assuming that A4 is 6.1 (haven't checked yet) then why is it necessary (or preferable) to flash sogarth, or the Irus Vanilla-Lite release (of A4) AND, then, add Michy 6.1 (to check the manila 2d?) which is also 6.1? It sounds like Michy's 6.1 is the way to go (with or without the T3D clone) but I don't understand why you suggest to flash sogarth/IRUS Vanilla first? Is it to get 2D? But elsewhere you suggest that Micky 6.1 includes 2D? Finally, you also suggest adding the announced Michy's vanilla... Can I do this and bypass sogarth/Irus Vanilla-Lite? I guess I'm still not clear about the difference between A4 (sogarth/irus vanilla) and Michy's work, and how or why these apparently need/should coexist on the STOCK Athena/Advantage X7500 (ie. NOT Ameo/simlocked)?
There is another question about adding apps once the cooked ROM 6.1 has been installed. Somewhere I read that these ROMs don't allow new apps, so you need to get it right the first time or redo the entire process. Is this correct? I suppose the cooks have taken this into account with their ROMs, which is perhaps one reason behind their multiplicity?!
I appreciate your patience! This is all new stuff and I'm still trying to get my head around it.
I also wish to add a private message quote from Brau0303 on the topic that helps nuance the discussion:
We were all noobes at some point so no worries. As to the best rom (my friend that is purely subjective, I was fond of the AP Teams rom and the work done by MichyPrima, you will find two main flavors of rom for the Athena, roms intended for the normal 1.2x SPL and those intended for the 3.xx SPL the custom SPL/unlocker is required for any non factory rom flashing and the main difference between 1.2x & 3.xx SPL is 1.2x retains the factory rom flash partition, 3.xx re-partitions the rom flash area to allow for larger roms like AP-4 and above. you must be careful and please read all the documentation prior to flashing or you could damage your Athena.
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This leads me to a new question: Is there any value in retaining the factory rom partition or is it a no-brainer to reclaim the space with a 3.X partition? In other words, is it possible to have WM6.1 with the factory partition in place, e.g. in case one may want to reset the device to a factory setting for resale purposes?
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Well this certainly helps dry up the mist! The point about the radio seems like an important addition. I'm still not clear about one point however:
Again, my primary aim is to get the cleanest and most fully-functional version of WM6.1 with the least amount of steps or tweaking. Assuming that A4 is 6.1 (haven't checked yet) then why is it necessary (or preferable) to flash sogarth, or the Irus Vanilla-Lite release (of A4) AND, then, add Michy 6.1 (to check the manila 2d?) which is also 6.1? It sounds like Michy's 6.1 is the way to go (with or without the T3D clone) but I don't understand why you suggest to flash sogarth/IRUS Vanilla first? Is it to get 2D? But elsewhere you suggest that Micky 6.1 includes 2D? Finally, you also suggest adding the announced Michy's vanilla... Can I do this and bypass sogarth/Irus Vanilla-Lite? I guess I'm still not clear about the difference between A4 (sogarth/irus vanilla) and Michy's work, and how or why these apparently need/should coexist on the STOCK Athena/Advantage X7500 (ie. NOT Ameo/simlocked)?
There is another question about adding apps once the cooked ROM 6.1 has been installed. Somewhere I read that these ROMs don't allow new apps, so you need to get it right the first time or redo the entire process. Is this correct? I suppose the cooks have taken this into account with their ROMs, which is perhaps one reason behind their multiplicity?!
I appreciate your patience! This is all new stuff and I'm still trying to get my head around it.
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VANILLA-LITE SPL 1.2 means the cleanest, and no needs for SPL 3.5, BUT is an OLD WM6.1 Build. It means NO newest Internet Explorer, NO enhanced contact/messaging, NO rotation sensor enabled and some other bugs
SPL 3.5 means more complete ROM (more space, more built-in utilities) and a LATEST OS Build is commonly better
ALL ROMs allow the installation of new applications (may be you mean UPDATED version of the built-in applications isnt allowed, but a good chef knows the problem and use some tricks)
SPL 3.5 is a two way road, you can go back. My suggestion was... YOU choose the best ROM, and start testing (and stop talking ) flash some ROM and you will have more experience (and less questions )
Let me also add Lakeman's message reply:
I like michys roms and usually play with his latest creations. michy4.1 is reportably the most stable. there is a thread by sergiopi with links to all the roms at the top of the winmobile6 forum and i would recommend reading the beginers guide I wrote as well
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Also, thanks for your consistent replies sergiopi. One comment: I don't own a X7500 yet so unfortunately I can' t begin experimenting. In fact, I want to avoid experimenting by writing and talking on this forum! Isn't that the smart thing to do anyway, rather than brick a device?
Here is a recent follow-up from Brau0303. I asked him to clarify what the SPL is:
Yes much of this can be overwhelming, SPL is not actually directly part of the device OS (think of it more as a bios type component) and you have to have the special versions of the SPL to unlock the ability to flash custom roms) I think the upgrade to 6.1 is worth it. many of the basic roms will work on a spl 1.20 olinex device, but the more feature rich roms that are based on the x7510 version require the 3.xx spl because it re-partitions the flash rom space. hope this helps.
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You can also read more about SPL here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296432
and of course the wiki here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions?
Hi Brau0303, I've taken the liberty to post your reply on the public thread. I hope you don't mind. In the process I came up with a new question: is there any value in retaining the factory rom partition or is it a no-brainer to reclaim the space with a 3.X partition? In other words, is it possible to have WM6.1 with the factory partition in place, e.g. in case one may want to reset the device to a factory setting for resale purposes?
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Response from Brau0303:
Well if you go the way of spl 3.x you can only flash roms intended for 3.x, cmonex created a utility that allows you to go back to the spl 1.2x and standard factory settings/partition. I can say that it does work because i used it when I sold my Athena.
Cheers, BR
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have that much clear now. Thanks BR. I guess the main issue for me now is wading through all the lingo to decipher what cooks refer to when they label their ROMS (which ones go with which device/rom series). One question that is still bugging me - what is the relationship between AP4 and Michy 4/5/6? Sergiopi suggested that I flash both, but doesn't one overwrite the other? They are both ROMS correct? (As you write below, I only need one rom.)
Originally Posted by bamse1
Again, thanks for your reply. I noticed in your signature that it appears like you're running a cooked SPL with a stock ROM. I didn't realize it was possible to change the SPL alone and run a stock rom, if I am assuming correctly. What is the advantage of that may I ask?
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Originally Posted by Brau0303
Cheers, Peter
Well as I had said the SPL is not tied directly to the rom, the special spl allows you to flash cooked roms, you can not flash them with a stock spl (only allows flashing of released factory roms) here are the main components
SPL - loading the special spl version allows you to flash cooked roms (you can install this and still run stock roms)
Radio - you can flash a radio version without having to flash any other stuff (some roms require certian radio versions)
ROM - contains the WM OS and all the others required drivers and programs and such
Cheers, BR
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Checking SPL
Hi mate
I thought I would answer your pm here
You need to have the phone in your hands to do this , but from the beginners guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429013
"Check Bootloader Screen
Throughout this forum you will be referred to your SPL.
This is the Secondary Program Language and on your unadulterated ppc it will be 1.1
Olipro's original unlocker upgraded this to 1.1x but the unlocker above will change it to SPL 1.2
You can see if this has already been done by putting your phone into the Bootloader screen.
This is done by holding the camera button completely in and then pressing the reset button.
You will now see a red/green/blue and white striped screen telling you the device id and SPL version.
If you see SPL 1.2 , you are good to go to load any SPL 1.2 Rom"
further to this you may also see SPL3.5.
If you have this you can only flash SPL 3.5 roms
The bootloader screen is also where you can see what radio is installed
AP4 stands for Athena Project rom no 4
there is supposed to be AP5 in the works.
regards Michael
Hi Lakeman,
Thank you. Your post helps clear things up even more. I think I understand the progression from SPL 1.2 to 3.5 as well as the Radio upgrade. But Im still confussed when it comes to the what I think is the ROM side: AP4/5, Michy, and IRUS/vanilla... and left with 1-2 questions:
-Several have seemed suggested Michy 4/5/6 on top of or together with AP4/5 (see earlier posts). Sergiopi also mentioned a Sogarth or Irus Vanilla-Lite release. I'm just not clear about how these fit together, or if they should fit together. For instance, doesn't one rom overwrite the previous?
- Also, are AP4/5 and Michy 4/5/6 all SPL 3.5 versions? Does it matter?
I guess my main issue now is wading through all the ROM lingo and labels and how these (apparently) are used together.
I have an unlocked fuze.Today i want to install winmo 6.5.Can some one please tell me all the things i need.I have done a search,but i need directions that are simple to understand.Is there anyone that can walk me through this.Help please just an averege guy,im not a pro phone guy
Then you must have searched badly..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
i think i already have spl on my phone if so can i just flash the rom.if i flash a new radio will i get better reception,my phone wont work in the house
Flashing and SPL
If you have an unlocked Fuze, it does not mean that you have installed the hard Spl. Unlocked means that you are able to use your phone on any network, and you have the ability to flash non-raphael radios to your device. If you would like to flash a 6.5 rom to your Fuze, you need to flash the hard spl first, choose a rom, and flash your chosen rom. As far as signal goes, some roms work well with certain radios. Read the forums for the rom that you choose and see what kind of radio the chef recommends. Another thing that I can recommend is to go to the HTC website and take a look at the official update for the Fuze. This is a rom and a radio package that in my experience made my phone work much better than before. The update to the radio boosted my signal, and it unlocked the gps to work with any program since a stock Fuze gps works only with the At&t navigation program. All in all, the best advice I can give you is read up on the xda forums. The contributors on this forum are amazing and have put countless hours into turning our stock (crappy) Raphaels into real i-phone killers.
when its on blue,green,red boot screen it says spl 1.90. olinix
if you've flashed hard-spl, then you are ready to flash a rom.
yes, changing your radio could possibly result in improved reception. radios have different results for everyone and depends largely on where you live.
deadcpu already gave you the thread that has all the information you need. read it.
Hey everyone.
I read it on the wiki that flashing 1024mb Leo with 512mb Rom would certainly cause a brick, I also read those scary posts about phones dead even with HSPL flashed, so I ask a question: Is there something else you should NOT do besides what is written in RUU itself?
Is it possible to make some kind of tutorial "how not to brick HD2"
P.S. Sorry if it is already stated somewhere, but all I could find were posts about already bricked HD2s
Might sound like a stupid question for all advanced users, but i find its a very good question, because of course, bricking anything (unless its a real brick) is a real bummer!
So yeah, i was also wanting to know what NOT to do, and what things to avoid..
For example, i installed HSPL 3 with a 2.02SPL, people say i will have stability issues.. i didnt read about that in HSPL3 tutorial.. will those stabilioty issues possibly lead to a brick?
Also, installing HSPL 3 and then installing HSPL 2 will those things possibly brick an HD2? or to brick an HD2 you must really be doing crazy stuff, like
-flashing 1024 with 512 rom?
-flashing crazy custom & terribly cooked roms?
best advice I ever saw on here......
"Read Everything, Even If You Dont Understand It....... Then Read It Again"
this does not change anything, I read the stickies and flashing guides and still i could only find one definite how-to-brick: 1024 to 512 and vice versa
Anyone?
That was more of just a sort of general piece of advice.
Wasnt suggesting you need to do more reading...........
Its actually the radio that will brick the device.......
flashing a .51 radio to a tmous will brick it.
So .50 radios only. You'd probably be best to go for one above 2.08.50......
Most roms will reccomend a radio to use anyway.......
If you've read the stickys, got the right rom/radio/hspl and familiarised yourself with the process then theres not much that can go wrong.........
95% of the horror stories on here are down to people not doing their homework....
I dont understand this radio thingy... Why is it even changeable?
Who would want to tweak that (except cookers?) and why did they provide different radios?
How do i know, when i download a rom what radio is it? If i use always official roms, i have no risks, right? Can even stock roms have different radios?
Thx for answers!
Radio is a part of firmware (part of ROM if you please) that ensures the link between OS and radio (GSM, FM, BT, WIFI),I read somewhere that it somehow responsible for camera aswell...
zewill said:
I dont understand this radio thingy... Why is it even changeable?
Who would want to tweak that (except cookers?) and why did they provide different radios?
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A different radio can give you differences in things like reception and battery life....
zewill said:
How do i know, when i download a rom what radio is it? If i use always official roms, i have no risks, right? Can even stock roms have different radios?
Thx for answers!
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Custom roms usually do not come bundled with a radio. The chef nearly always recommends a radio to use with the rom.....
Stock roms come with a radio, which is normally shown as part of the file name....
ie. RUU_Leo_S_HTC_WWE_3.14.405.2_Radio_15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14_LEO_S_Ship
If your flashing a tmous with a stock rom you still have to make sure that it is a tmous rom........
Wow, thanks for those clear answers! Im starting to get it!
So.. say i download several roms:
ROM: 3.14.406.2 (on HTC website)
AND
RUU_Leo_HTC_NLD_1.66.404.1_Radio_Signed_15.30.50.0¶
7U_2.06.51.07_Ship (found on internet)
AND
Original HTC NLD 1.48.404.2 2.05.51.05_2 15.28.50.07U
How do i know the radio of the first rom?
And how do i know that the Radios of the 2 other roms ( Radio_Signed_15.30.50.0 7U_2.06.51.07_ and the last RADIO 2.05.51.05_2) are compatible? Indeed, they are different, so how do i know if i can install them without bricking my device???
Thanks again, guys for ur help and time
I didn't completely understand what you just wrote , but i somehow feel that answer to your post is what i'm looking for also
The 3.14 Rom you downloaded from the HTC site already has a radio so you wont need to worry about compatibility........
Just so I'm clear on this, which type of HD2 do you have? tmous / Standard (european) HD2 / Australian (Telstra) HD2.......
Im assuming it asked for an s/n number when you downloaded 3.14??
If it did and yours worked then you have an unbranded handset and you can go ahead and flash that Rom.
If you've flashed before you will need to remove HSPL.........
If not then ignore that...........
So in simple terms, ONLY the radio that contains .51 will brick a T-Mobile US HD2 phone, but .50 will be fine. Usually all [ROM] in the Rom thread will tell you if it's T-Mobile Compatible or not. And most of them don't have a radio built into it anyways.
Every Rom you download from HTC will contain the ROM, and RADIO, so before loading you must make sure it is for HTC T-Mobile US not UK, which is usually stated before you download as you have to put in your SN number before you're able to download.
If you are wondering more about what the function of a radio is etc. I recommend checking out this page: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611787
Also I would highly recommend you read this as this will answer most of your questions about flashing roms etc: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653614