Am I running Rev A? (not as dumb as it sounds) - Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development

While it may seem like (and very well may BE) a stupid question, I'm not 200% sure one way or the other.. until recently I guess. Read on..
Last night I flashed to DCD's 2.10 ROM with 3.27 radio and go to test Google Maps. I see "GPS Activated", but nothing's picked up, no satellites. This seems like it would mean I'm probably NOT working with a Rev A ROM.
Well then I go from the regular old IE/PIE to Opera Mini 4 Beta 2 and speed test from dslreports.com/stest & mobilespeedtest.com... From dslreports I get "too fast/unstable" (whereas before, with PIE it would load "fine" and average about 600kbps) and from mobilespeedtest.com I get *2.35Mbps* (which I don't think is right/even possible. is it?)
I guess the ultimate question is - Is DCD's 2.10 ROM with 3.27 Radio running EVDO Rev A/GPS or not? Again, I know this seems stupid, and probably is, but this is place to come ask questions so I figured why not. Also, is it really possible that I was getting 2.35Mbps? I've tested a few other times with some read higher (2.6Mbps) and some a little lower (2.2Mbps) but I just don't trust it

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well, theoretically, it's possible that you're getting those speeds. I personally doubt it, but it's impossible to say for 100% certain.
on the GPS thing: the first time, it takes a long time (some say as long as 20 minutes) to get the fix the first time, since it has to download a lot of data from the GPS sattelites to get a fix. some have better luck doing that outside. for me, it worked inside, but it did take a long time the first time, and then it all started working.
However, I don't like to harp on a repeating admonition, if you'll go back the last few days you'll find a plethora of posts on the subject that will tell you a lot more than I can in one short post.
So, short answer: Yes, you have Rev A and GPS, but you may not notice amazing speed differences with Rev A because it depends on the infrastructure of the local station and the GPS takes some time to initialize to start with. After the first time it'll get better.

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My understanding is that Opera Mini uses a proxy to optimize data for mobile devices, so you're likely to get false speed test results through Opera Mini. PIE or Opera Mobile will give you more realistic speed test results.

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Any other thoughts on this?

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The leaked ROM that DCD is based on includes GPS. It doesn't include Rev A. The official release is supposed to include both, but Sprint has had unexpected difficulty with Rev. A, so we'll see.

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The leaked ROM that DCD is based on includes GPS. It doesn't include Rev A. The official release is supposed to include both, but Sprint has had unexpected difficulty with Rev. A, so we'll see.
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As far as I know, this statement is untrue. I thought BOTH gps and RevA exist in all of dcd's roms 2.0 and up

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gcincotta said:
As far as I know, this statement is untrue. I thought BOTH gps and RevA exist in all of dcd's roms 2.0 and up
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the leaked radio does include rev. a
duh
why else are people getting a huge speed boost in rev a areas?

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sovrce said:
While it may seem like (and very well may BE) a stupid question, I'm not 200% sure one way or the other.. until recently I guess. Read on..
Last night I flashed to DCD's 2.10 ROM with 3.27 radio and go to test Google Maps. I see "GPS Activated", but nothing's picked up, no satellites. This seems like it would mean I'm probably NOT working with a Rev A ROM.
Well then I go from the regular old IE/PIE to Opera Mini 4 Beta 2 and speed test from dslreports.com/stest & mobilespeedtest.com... From dslreports I get "too fast/unstable" (whereas before, with PIE it would load "fine" and average about 600kbps) and from mobilespeedtest.com I get *2.35Mbps* (which I don't think is right/even possible. is it?)
I guess the ultimate question is - Is DCD's 2.10 ROM with 3.27 Radio running EVDO Rev A/GPS or not? Again, I know this seems stupid, and probably is, but this is place to come ask questions so I figured why not. Also, is it really possible that I was getting 2.35Mbps? I've tested a few other times with some read higher (2.6Mbps) and some a little lower (2.2Mbps) but I just don't trust it
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RevA is part of the 3.27 radio, not DCD's roms. The new ones won't work WITHOUT 3.27, but that's where you're getting RevA

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kmartburrito said:
RevA is part of the 3.27 radio, not DCD's roms. The new ones won't work WITHOUT 3.27, but that's where you're getting RevA
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OK, thank you. But are there any browsers (not using proxies - Opera) that'll fully utilize Rev A and not crash? I love Opera, you just can't play YouTube/flash videos. And while you CAN play those videos through PIE (and I have no issues playing them), the browser itself stalls out and is very slow and clunky.

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REV-A and you;-)
The best way to tell if you are on REV-A is to install WMWIFIRouter and ICS or tether to your PC in some way, and go to speakeasy.net/speedtest and run your tests. You may not even be in a REV-A coverage area, but if so then your download will not change so much but your upload will be above 200k or more if signal is good. REV-0 upload speed is max 153.6k, REV-A is 1.8meg.

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madman34 said:
The best way to tell if you are on REV-A is to install WMWIFIRouter and ICS or tether to your PC in some way, and go to speakeasy.net/speedtest and run your tests. You may not even be in a REV-A coverage area, but if so then your download will not change so much but your upload will be above 200k or more if signal is good. REV-0 upload speed is max 153.6k, REV-A is 1.8meg.
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Just using the stock program 'Internet Sharing' on my phone I get:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
and
So I am running a Rev A *CAPABLE* radio/ROM, but I'm (probably) not in a Rev A coverage area? Mid-Michigan area on Alltel, if that helps.

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sovrce said:
Just using the stock program 'Internet Sharing' on my phone I get:
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So I am running a Rev A *CAPABLE* radio/ROM, but I'm (probably) not in a Rev A coverage area? Mid-Michigan area on Alltel, if that helps.
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Correct, Alltel implemented Michigan EVDO as one of their first, before the DOM-A card was released, and the later markets like Louisiana and Kansas much later, after the DOM-a release, so they got DOM-A cards but did not have VER 4.01.106 Nortel software/firmware yet to put in them so they were REV-0 anyway but upgradeable. I am not sure which newer markets have updated as it is available now cause we are on 5 in VZW land. I am sure Michigan will swap their DOMs in but bet they have not yet, so you are right.
P.S. I know this stuff because I was NT NI and put most of it in ;-)

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I am in a Rev. A area (Austin, TX) and have no speed increase, nor have I heard of anyone with a confirmed speed increase. Where is the evidence that people are getting Rev. A speeds? If you are, please post a screenshot. I know the official release is supposed to include Rev. A, but I've seen no evidence that the leaked version actually does. My speed tests have been consistent with what I was getting prior to the new ROMs, and others have reported the same.

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You have to take into account that you're using RF not a direct connection, and that those max speeds include overhead and not raw data throughput. Rev A isn't some magical speed increase, it relies on your signal to the tower. Just like how you can get less than 54Mbps on 802.11g due to signal conditions, you can get less than the maximum data rate with EVDO.
In fact you can never actually get 54Mbps, just like you'll never really get 3Mbps+ with Rev A. Rev A actually builds directly of Rev 0 and adds some new modulation techniques that are used in conditions where the signal is good enough.
Then, you still can't be sure your phone is provisioned for Rev A, which it probably isn't because your carrier does not officially support that service on your phone yet.

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AmazingLarry said:
You have to take into account that you're using RF not a direct connection, and that those max speeds include overhead and not raw data throughput. Rev A isn't some magical speed increase, it relies on your signal to the tower. Just like how you can get less than 54Mbps on 802.11g due to signal conditions, you can get less than the maximum data rate with EVDO.
In fact you can never actually get 54Mbps, just like you'll never really get 3Mbps+ with Rev A. Rev A actually builds directly of Rev 0 and adds some new modulation techniques that are used in conditions where the signal is good enough.
Then, you still can't be sure your phone is provisioned for Rev A, which it probably isn't because your carrier does not officially support that service on your phone yet.
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I am on Sprint. I am in one of the first areas that deployed Rev. A. I speed tested my EVDO connection before & after the upgrade with no discernible difference. The most noticeable speed increase with Rev. A should be on the upload, which has not changed at all. In fact, nothing has. This issue has been discussed across multiple forums and still not one person has posted evidence that this ROM activates Rev. A. Again, I'm not trying to be argumentative, but can you point me to any evidence that this ROM contains Rev. A? Sprint never said this leaked early build contains Rev A, only that the release build would. People assume it does because the release build was promised to, but all those that have tested it that I'm aware of have not shown a speed increase, either in upload or download speeds.

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From the Engadget Mobile article about the leaked ROM: "Rev. A -- a feature promised by Sprint to be enabled at some point in the future when the Mogul was first released -- is also apparently going to be prominently featured when this update officially hits, but it's either flaky or switched off altogether in this particular build while the devs are still hammering out some last-minute issues." Just as I said in my first post in this thread.
Source: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/01/26/new-sprint-mogul-rom-leaks-out-gps-support-and-all/

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It is important to note that if you are using Opera Mobile for your speed tests the results will be misleading as Opera Mobile uses an intermediate server and then renders a "view" of your webpage and transmits it to your phone. So when you speed test using Opera you are speed testing the intermediate server NOT your phone.

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How's this for some RevA proof for whoever wanted screen shots. My phone is tethered to my desktop via USB and using Internet Sharing.

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do u kno if sprint is offering EV/DO in oklahoma yet

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gcincotta said:
How's this for some RevA proof for whoever wanted screen shots. My phone is tethered to my desktop via USB and using Internet Sharing.
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Photoshop! Just kidding, thanks, that's exactly what I asked for. I (and Engadget) was wrong. Do you get those speeds consistently? Anybody else getting those kinds of speeds, especially, on Sprint?