Apologize if this is a stupid question ...
But it it possible to get niki to do 3g on a freq other than 2100 ?
that would require a major hardware change, so its unlikely.
thank you. that helps.
On 2-14-08, HTC started selling the HTC Touch Dual 850 in Australia. The big question is whether it has the same chips inside as the Touch Dual. There has been some talk that the regular Touch Dual has a chip that works on the 850 frequency, so I'd say there is a good chance the two devices are the same with differnt ROMs.
We really need someone to upload the ROM from a Touch Dual 850.
I believe that there were two differing Qualcomm 7200 chipsets produced:
One with support for 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (the US version, in which the 850 & 1900 MHz band is used for UMTS). And one which supports 900/1800/1900/2100 MHz (for Europe) In which the 2100 MHz band is used for HSDPA.
You could be right though, it may be that the only differences are in software.
The device can't support all five frequencies(at least it shouldn't be able to ), but it may be possible to pick and choose by flashing radio roms.
Only time will tell...
I have read the lg ks20 manuel ... if you need more frequency, you need hardware parts! on of this parts are a RF switcher. the radio read out the nv ram too.
I'd say that just about does it. I will be wanting an 850 model soon.
in the moment ... i think ... no 850mhz nike!!!
hoping a radio update can do it for the niki since i just bought one in the us and just learnt about this issue.
do you think the australia rom would fix it or the radio, i do know the australia rom is available for download but isn't the radio more important for this issue?
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I have read the lg ks20 manuel ... if you need more frequency, you need hardware parts! on of this parts are a RF switcher. the radio read out the nv ram too.
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Has anyone found out any new info about this? I too have issues with the Niki100 not covering all the bands I need for coverage in my area and have no 3G. With the US Touch Dual coming out soon, or with the Australia release, I was hoping someone had a radio flash that could provie if upgrading the radio fimrware worked.
you havent understand what i have tell!!!
niki havent the right RV Switch!!! You cant change anything to handle G3 network on 850MHz or 1900MHz!!!
the US Touch Dual or AUS Touch Dual isnt a HTC Niki ... it is a HTC NEON!!!
Both can use the same OS and Radio Roms! The Radio Rom is every time the same!
@NetrunnerAT
just to be fare:
there are 2 models of HTC Touch Dual available here in Australia:
HTC Touch Dual UMTS 2100MHz
HTC Touch Dual UMTS 850MHz (Telstra NextG frequencies)
ok again ... Touch Dual 850MHz is a HTC NEON!!!! Both Device have the same Case and a simulare Chipset, but different RV Chips!!!
Don't bug me!
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I would like to know how many differences there are between this two kind of dual band.
i've bought a T-mobile from USA (i'm still waiting for it so i don't have it now) and i saw that it is a 900/1900. I'm in italy, so i would like to know if i'll use only 900 or 1900 too (i think in italy 1800 is used).
i think i'll have to unlock it, the vendor told me it is a pocket pc 2003, do XDAunlock, work on it?
(i'm sorry for the last off topic question...i post here to not make too many post around the forum)
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I would like to know how many differences there are between this two kind of dual band.
i've bought a T-mobile from USA (i'm still waiting for it so i don't have it now) and i saw that it is a 900/1900. I'm in italy, so i would like to know if i'll use only 900 or 1900 too (i think in italy 1800 is used).
i think i'll have to unlock it, the vendor told me it is a pocket pc 2003, do XDAunlock, work on it?
(i'm sorry for the last off topic question...i post here to not make too many post around the forum)
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I'm sorry to tell you since your network works on 1800 Mhz your new T-mobile PW10B1 wont work on this frequency it's made for 900/1900 Mhz if you unlocked it or not it's not gona work, you need the PW10A1 devices they work on 900/1800 Mhz.
but there are cellphone companies in eu who use 900 maybe there are some in your country
if not well thats too bad
oh....no..... :shock:
is there anithing i can do? radio update??? something like this!
Your special edition ROM can help me?
from what i've been able to understand about the 900/1900 then it's a hardware limit the GSM part of the xda1 will have to be physically removed which would most likely be way more expensive then getting a new device
of cause i could be wrong
The XDA1 is available in two flavours (from what I read):
USA: 900/1900 bands
EU: 900/1800 bands
Since both flavours support the 900 band, you should be able to use it in Europ on one of the 'old' networks.
In Holland both KPN and Vodafone have nationwide coverage on 900MHz.
Since TIM is and 'old' company too (Telecom Italia isnt it?) I guess theyre on 900 too. To be sure: check the websites of the Italian mobile operators. Be aware that reception in some areas might be less than if you could use both 900 and 1800 bands as more and more operators are extending their networks on 1800 only (because of lack of free 900 band frequencies). I noticed this a few years back in France where in rural areas there was no coverage with a 900 phone and full reception with a 900/1800 phone (same network).
Reading the forum i've read that is possible to chose band 900/1800 and 900/1900 by bootloader and pressing calendar...can this be true for some model?
p.s. Of course TIM uses 900...i wonder if it will ever use 1900 one day
i think UTMS or some other replacement will take over before us and eu start to use the std's of eachother
just another question, i found information about special edition rom. It says that with bandswitch.exe some devices may work with other "not natural" band. So i'll try when my XDA will be shipped.
TIM wil NEVER use 1900, at least not in Europe. The 1900 band is not available for telecoms in Europe (just like the 1800 band is not available in USA)
I've got T-Mobile from US working in Russia on 800/1800 through ROM upgrade. What it did - it removed SIM Lock and turned the device into 3-band. Works perfect.
Rgds,
Cimmerian
www.briantracy.ru
i haver never heard about anybody being able to make a dualband into a triband using just software the filters and mixers in the hardware part og the gsm are different
I have never heard about that either. As far as I know frequencies are hardware based. Otherwise we could flash our XDA's to anything we wanted.
I have researched this for weeks and weeks since I need my XDA I to work on the 850Mhz network in the US quite badly.
Please post exactly how you did it
1800/1900
I got the same problem you do but reverse , I'm in the U.S and bought the phone from Europe ( qtek 1010 ) my phone will not work in the U.S because the network here is 1900 and in europe 1800. If you want I can trade with you if you have the same phone. I got all the package in a box.
My email is [email protected]
U can reach me on this email if you wish to exchange.
Lyka
There are 3 major networks in Italy that have 900 mhz networks.
They are:
Telecom Italia Mobile (TIM)
GSM 900/1800
Vodafone Omnitel N.V.
GSM 900/1800
Wind Telecomunicazioni SpA
GSM 900/1800
If you are within any of their networks you should have service with your
current Wallaby. (XDAI). You should be able to insert your sim card and go.
Some ROMS auto select the available network, others do not. There is also a program that you can cook into a ROM that give you a software selctable band switch.
I hope this helps?
Joe
Just to clarify my last post:
It has been discussed on this forum, for a few years, that you cannot
change a 900/1900 phone to 900/1800 using software.
However since your phone does operate on 900 mhz and there are
900 mhz throughout Italy, including Sardinia, you should have no problem using your current phone. In fact I have used my USA 900/1900) XDAI in Italy.
Let us know how you make out.
Joe
900/1900 T-Mobile -- Swap for an 900/1800 XDA ?
Straight swap...I made a mistake and bought a T-Mobile from the US thinking it would work in NZ....it won't and everyone on the forums agrees....so only option is to replace with a European one...
If anyone is interested, post a reply and we can set something up.
Cheers, Hamish
BandSwitching
I live in Jamaica, we have to GSM networks, 850/1900 & 900/1800 my XDA1 works well on both networks... although signal strength from the 900/1800 is stronger it makes no big difference... I believe the shorter band is essential in buildings etc. so wait till you get the phone and give it a try.
I tried the Band Switching application in the Special Edition ROM, it made no real difference.
Slightly off topic can someone point me to an explanation of UMTS???
Hi, does anyone know how to enable 850mhz in this fone. please, very needed i bought thinking that this was quadband as htc elf ( touch )
thanks
I am not sure this is even possible.
Is the chip supporting 850?
PseudoReal said:
I am not sure this is even possible.
Is the chip supporting 850?
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Yes, the chip is quadband (same chip set as TyTN II).
MTM said:
Yes, the chip is quadband (same chip set as TyTN II).
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It's too bad, but the HTC TOUCH DUAL does not support 850mhz :-( My home network is 850 only and the HTC is useless in it!
Yes, it doesn't support 850 now, but the big question is it possible to support it with a different ROM. Probably a big project to lift the code from another HTC product that uses the same chip.
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Yes, it doesn't support 850 now, but the big question is it possible to support it with a different ROM. Probably a big project to lift the code from another HTC product that uses the same chip.
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tom_condon is working on a new ROM for the touch dual now. maybe you could ask him?
It can very likely be done by enabling a bit in the NV RF Config item.
I am working on that, see here.
That would be awesome. For me, 850 Mhz and GPS are the two things keeping the Dual from being the ultimate phone to date.
Thanks,
Telstra is selling a 850 MHz Touch Dual on their NextG Network, but it is not the same as the reglar Tri-Band device. Seems HTC is actually selling multiple versions iof the device to suit different carriers.
a radio update or something can help? that would be ideal since i am in the same situation 3g is on a different mhz but phone is at 2100 for 3g
Just found out the phone will be release in the us sometime in Q2 they say it will be compatible with AT&T 3g hopefully the rom from this new phone can help us that have already bought it.
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There is a Touch Dual that supports 850MHZ codename "NEON" and not "NIKI"
There is a complete other Tranceiver chip inside.
NIKI is no Quadband Device!
So do you recommend selling my Niki and getting a Neon then to stay compatible with US networks? I know netrunner was saying there is a possibility the NV items can be changed to take out the 2100 and put in the 850
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yes u can change the NV-Items but the Chip dosn't support 850MHZ.
OR... we don't know enought about the RFR6300 Chip.
We need internal shots or a list of Chips from a NEON.
I've recently read the touch dual will be released in the US through Best Buy as an unlocked phone. Now i was wondering if anyone has any info on this, will it have a different chipset in it or do you guys think we can rip the radio and rom from that model and put it onto the european model giving us the 850/1900 for hsdpa instead of 2100, as of right now i can't even get Edge speeds i am stuck on GPRS for some reason.
http://press-releases.techwhack.com/18184-htc-touch-dual-2
i think touch dual in usa is neon, not nike
also touch dual just released in korea is Neon, not Nike... i am not sure what it means that they have a different name ( just wm 6.1? or also other fixes? ) anyways, i have the korean one. i don't know how to copy the rom but if you need one... i have the pda and i can try.
Pardon me for asking but this has bugged me for a while:
I doubt if the Raphael is really produced in two hardware versions: one that supports UMTS 900/2100 MHz in Europe and another that supports UMTS 1900/850 MHz in the US?
Do any of the European friends here flash the Radio ROM v1.14.25.35 (extracted from AT&T ROM in the US) to their European version of the Raphael and with a tweak in the registry key
HKLM\Software\OEM\PhoneSetting\BandType
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"ItemName2"="UMTS(900+2100)+GSM(900+1800)"
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i.e., to make the UMTS 900 MHz band known to the machine, are able to connect to their 900 MHz 3G network properly?
Apparently, the 900 MHz UMTS band was not included in the default BandType after the American AT&T Radio ROM is flashed.
This is actually a very good & important question & point. Particullarly with the newer devices that are comiing out. In an effort to streamline production, HTC has changed somewhat the way the restrict devices from operating on different bands. Now you find that even CDMA & GSM device are able or would be able to operate, strictly speaking of hardware, on one or the other network except for the firmware. According to FCC documents, HTC is locking devices to networks via the firmware. This may make it possible to opperate any device on any network give that there is a place to insert the sim card.
I am using the new radio, & I have been able to use it on both the US & EU gsm frequencies. You can selct the band you want, but you need to use the band switch program as the EU band has been disabled via the registry, but it still exists within the radio firmware.
GSLEON3 said:
In an effort to streamline production, HTC has changed somewhat the way the restrict devices from operating on different bands...HTC is locking devices to networks via the firmware...I am using the new radio, & I have been able to use it on both the US & EU gsm frequencies
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Thanks, gsleon3 for your input. I have this doubt because many people on this boards mention cross-flashing and the issues with two different hardware versions; whereas, according to Section 1.1 on "Product Features" of the Raphael Service Manual, the hardware itself supports HSPA/UMTS on 5 bands, i.e., 850, 900, 1700, 1900 and 2100 MHz and GSM/GPRS/EDGE on 4 bands, i.e., 850, 900, 1800 and 1900 MHz. Raphaels are produced in different SKUs with some bands selectively enabled, though.
I'm in Germany w/ a German O2 XDA and I've flashed the new radios with no problems. I haven't flashed to .25.35 yet, but probably will tonight.
[EDIT] Just installed .25.35, and it works 100%. We'll see about battery life tomorrow... [/EDIT]
Drew
Hey,
The T9193 version of the HD2 has the radio bands 850/2100 in it for HSDPA 3G speeds, but just the 850 band is needed to support AT&T's 3G service in the US.
Would it be possible to create a new radio ROM that disables/turns-off the 2100 band for U.S. users, since this band is useless anyway, and it may help extend the battery life of our HD2 by not having to power the 2100 section of the radio, especially if it makes any transmit attempts by the phone on the 2100 band (transmitting uses a lot more power then receiving).
Any chance of this?
JohnCody said:
Hey,
The T9193 version of the HD2 has the radio bands 850/2100 in it for HSDPA 3G speeds, but just the 850 band is needed to support AT&T's 3G service in the US.
Would it be possible to create a new radio ROM that disables/turns-off the 2100 band for U.S. users, since this band is useless anyway, and it may help extend the battery life of our HD2 by not having to power the 2100 section of the radio, especially if it makes any transmit attempts by the phone on the 2100 band (transmitting uses a lot more power then receiving).
Any chance of this?
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T-mobile is also using HSPDA/3G @ 850 also and nowhere else? I hope so because pretty much half or better of the users of these forums are T-Mobile and *not* AT&T subscribers. Jus sayin.
JohnCody said:
Hey,
The T9193 version of the HD2 has the radio bands 850/2100 in it for HSDPA 3G speeds, but just the 850 band is needed to support AT&T's 3G service in the US.
Would it be possible to create a new radio ROM that disables/turns-off the 2100 band for U.S. users, since this band is useless anyway, and it may help extend the battery life of our HD2 by not having to power the 2100 section of the radio, especially if it makes any transmit attempts by the phone on the 2100 band (transmitting uses a lot more power then receiving).
Any chance of this?
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ROM cooks do not have such fine grain control over radio bands.... Sorry.
I don't believe the T9193's radio has the 2100 Mhz band, otherwize I'd be able to use it in my area to get 3G coverage. (We only have Edge on the 850 Mhz band here)
Hopefully someone who knows for sure can answer this.
JohnCody said:
Hey,
The T9193 version of the HD2 has the radio bands 850/2100 in it for HSDPA 3G speeds, but just the 850 band is needed to support AT&T's 3G service in the US.
Would it be possible to create a new radio ROM that disables/turns-off the 2100 band for U.S. users, since this band is useless anyway, and it may help extend the battery life of our HD2 by not having to power the 2100 section of the radio, especially if it makes any transmit attempts by the phone on the 2100 band (transmitting uses a lot more power then receiving).
Any chance of this?
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Hi mate,
you already tried this?
In Dialer > Menu (right soft-buttom) > Baseband > Band Frequency
or
Start > Settings > Personal Settings > Phone
But 850 Mhz is just for GSM not WCDMA... it's right?
2udCrRAZdK said:
I don't believe the T9193's radio has the 2100 Mhz band, otherwize I'd be able to use it in my area to get 3G coverage. (We only have Edge on the 850 Mhz band here)
Hopefully someone who knows for sure can answer this.
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I'm pretty sure the T9193 has the 2100 band, but 2100 is useless in the US because AT&T uses 850/1900 for 3G. The T9193 is an Australian phone made for Telstar (their cell phone company). The 3G bands used over there are 850/2100. So, because AT&T also uses the 850 band, thats why we are able to use this phone with AT&T's 3G here over in the US.
However, the 2100 band of the phone is useless in the US because is was intended to be used for 3G in australia.
The good news is that AT&T is phasing out the 1900 band for 3G and switching everything over to 850, so the HD2 will just get more and more 3G coverage as time goes on and then even the 1900 band won't be used anymore so it would be irrelevant if the HD2 has a 1900 band or a 2100 band because both would be useless.
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ROM cooks do not have such fine grain control over radio bands.... Sorry.
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Gotcha - thanks for the info.
2udCrRAZdK said:
I don't believe the T9193's radio has the 2100 Mhz band, otherwize I'd be able to use it in my area to get 3G coverage. (We only have Edge on the 850 Mhz band here)
Hopefully someone who knows for sure can answer this.
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Well, you neglected to say where "here" is
The best available combination for world-wide 3G access is 850/2100 Mhz. This is because:
1) 850Mhz is used in Canada, US, S Americas, Aus, S Africa for 3G broadcasting in regional areas (and in some city areas)
2) 2100Mhz is used in Asia, EU, Aus cities for 3G broadcasting
This is due to the actual physics of velocity = frequency x wavelength
Some telcos use 1900Mhz in the cities, but also broadcast in 850Mhz
Other telcos use 900Mhz in the regional areas, but also broadcast in 2100Mhz in the cities
ATT in the US uses 850mhz in the regionals and 1900Mhz in the cities. This ensures that "their" PDA's cannot use other SIM's - I have no idea why the dumbed-down US market meekly accepts that
The perfect combo is tri-frequency hardware, such as PDA manufacturers used to provide but do not any more (no excuses, it's just straight cost-cutting and sleight-of-hand marketing BS to suit the greedy telcos)
The HD2 released in Aus through Telstra is hardware-filtered for 2100/850 Mhz, the best available combo for world-wide use (not perfect, of course)
The HD2 released in EU/Asia is 2100/900 Mhz. This will access 3G in most cities world-wide (note that China uses 2100/850) but has limited coverage in regional areas - yes, I know there many 900 Mhz deployments but these are very limited geographically
The HD2 released in the US is 1900/850 Mhz. This is very limited for world-wide cities and excludes 3G coverage for those countries that use 2100/900 Mhz
None of this has any relation to GSM coverage, so please do not confuse them
Is the hardware actually different?
I live in NZ and unfortunately bought a T-Mobile unit which is set up for 1700/2100mHz which means that when in the cities I get full broadband, but in the regions I only get dial up speeds through GSM.
My question is does anyone know if the hardware could actually use the 900mhz broadband - or is it a pipe dream on my part that hopefully someone will release a ROM to access some previously hidden hardware?
I do recall with my Touch that there was a GPS built into the hardware that no-one was aware of for a year or two!
mikey555 said:
I live in NZ and unfortunately bought a T-Mobile unit which is set up for 1700/2100mHz which means that when in the cities I get full broadband, but in the regions I only get dial up speeds through GSM.
My question is does anyone know if the hardware could actually use the 900mhz broadband - or is it a pipe dream on my part that hopefully someone will release a ROM to access some previously hidden hardware?
I do recall with my Touch that there was a GPS built into the hardware that no-one was aware of for a year or two!
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The hardware is definitely different...
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The T9193 is an Australian phone made for Telstar (their cell phone company).
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The Phone company in Australia is Telstra (just in case you are goggling it and wonder why you cant find it)
t9193 vodafone
i can use 900/2100 bands on t9193
i use Vodafone australia on Telstra hd2 with quick 3g data everywhere
what are the hardware differences?????
am i alone?
is there anyone else in this community that has
T9193 + Vodafone AUS + Custom ROM/Radio
Everyone keeps pasting crap about incompatibility but it seems to be fine