I apologize for the misleading Title, but i would really like to know if theres a method on "transferring" our current unlimited plans, onto a CDMA EVDO Modem.
Can this be done by copying all the necessary login information, and certifications, or what? To be honest i don't even know, Thats why im asking.
Also if someone knows and this is possible... What are the required EVDO Adapters. Please list some Mini-PCI cards if available as well. That is of course if this is POSSIBLE.
Why i ask: Using WMWifiRouter, or Just using internet sharing... is great, but what if i don't have my phone with me. It be a hell-of-alot nicer to just have it implemented onto a EVDO Modem if i had one.
If someone has an answer then the title of this thread would be quite useful now wouldn't it. Lol
Nope you cant do this because the Hardware device number or ESN is what authorizes you on the network and what keeps track of all the data for billing purposes. They already have many cdma modems for your computer my dell has one integrated into it but you have to assing it a seperate phone number from your phone and pay another DATA plan to use it.... Hope that Helps you out...
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Nope you cant do this because the Hardware device number or ESN is what authorizes you on the network and what keeps track of all the data for billing purposes. They already have many cdma modems for your computer my dell has one integrated into it but you have to assing it a seperate phone number from your phone and pay another DATA plan to use it.... Hope that Helps you out...
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isn't there a way to mask the ESN on a EVDO Modem, if so which one would let you (or rather how would you go about doing it). It seems like a simple task really.
In fact, if you Just go to your EPST Settings (open phone, Punch in ##PST#, Select View) all the information is there. The ESN number and what-not.
Well ESN cloning is illegal, especially for those purposes. But no, the ESN and that is hardwired to the phone. That is why you have that sticker in the back under the battery. You may be able to change it in the software, but it still won't work.
There are some people out there who can clone ESN's, but its very very illegal and will get you very very sued.
I too would be very interested in working on this. It seems to me also that if we were able to somehow clone our esn numbers to the EVDO modem it would work
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Well ESN cloning is illegal, especially for those purposes. But no, the ESN and that is hardwired to the phone. That is why you have that sticker in the back under the battery. You may be able to change it in the software, but it still won't work.
There are some people out there who can clone ESN's, but its very very illegal and will get you very very sued.
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hah its interesting to see how it kinda didn't occur to me that its very very illegal. Since its Very very illegal, its very very unlikely you'd be found out. In which case if you are, yes you could very very possibly be sued.
AH WELL, Just for the fun of it lets get started
why not use ICS or wifirouter like the rest of us?
/me is posting using ICS now...
He does use WMWifiRouter, but he wants to clone his ESN on a Sprint Computer Card to use what is meant to be a cell phone data plan as a cheap wireless laptop data plan instead of paying the $50 a month.
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I know this is a grey area, but Verizon determines whether a data plan is forced based on ESN, right? So if I were to put a Touch Pro on Verizon with a cloned ESN from an older phone, could I use it without the data plan?
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I know this is a grey area, but Verizon determines whether a data plan is forced based on ESN, right? So if I were to put a Touch Pro on Verizon with a cloned ESN from an older phone, could I use it without the data plan?
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technically yes since they can only identify the device by comparing to the E$N (they cannot access your device remotely to see what OS you are running).
egzthunder1 said:
technically yes since they can only identify the device by comparing to the E$N (they cannot access your device remotely to see what OS you are running).
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Excellent. That's good to hear. I still don't understand how it is legal for Verizon to force the data plan even if you don't buy a subsidized phone from them! Imagine buying a new car and then getting a bill for driving on every toll road in the state every month even if you never drove on one!
Now I just need to find out if it's still possible to get a Sprint Touch Pro onto Verizon or not. I'd like that extra 100 megs of RAM! I was thinking about buying a Sprint Touch Pro on ebay, then trying to get it activated on Verizon, but even people at the Verizon stores in my area don't seem to be clear on whether or not a Sprint phone works on Verizon!
Yes, plan is based on ESN.
But, you will need to flash the Touch Pro with a shipped Alltel or Verizon ROM before changing ESN or flashing custom rom.
The above statement is totally incorrect. There are methods to change ESN and the rom has nothing to do with it. However there are different radios out there that can work for this purpose.
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The above statement is totally incorrect. There are methods to change ESN and the rom has nothing to do with it. However there are different radios out there that can work for this purpose.
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Agree with cleanser. No need to do any kind of flashing. You need however, to SuperCID the device in order to change the E$N.
Ill be moving to japan by years end and was wondering what network could I use to work with the Atrix? And if anyone has any experiance living in japan, how does billing work?
From everything I've heard Japan has domestic market phones that make the Atrix look like old news. You might be better off getting a phone/plan locally when you get there.
...I beg to differ on that one.
Here in Japan, there are some good Android phones, but they're almost always locked down. For example my SH005. great phone except the battery won't last a whole day.
I picked up an Atrix I plan on unlocking and using that over here.
anything that has the 2100 band (pretty much all 3G phones in the US) will work on Softbank. if you're going there permanently, then if your phone is unlocked you can probably just drop the SIM in. if you're going temporarily then you will probably need to grab a prepaid SIM but it should still work in the phone. you pay for all minutes used, incoming calls are free, and softbank has a good deal on unlimited mail for prepaid (300 yen per month) plans.
shadowfalx had issues with softbank in JP.. he tried 2 Atrix handsets and couldn't get either of them to work with data..
It had to be his APN settings. I've used dozens of non-softbank phones over here, starting with my GSM WinMo Treo 750, and as long as the APN settings were correct, it worked on data fine. There's one other person with an Atrix I know here in Tokyo; He's a Google employee here. So I know it'll work.
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From everything I've heard Japan has domestic market phones that make the Atrix look like old news. You might be better off getting a phone/plan locally when you get there.
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Like what?
Japan is behind the times these days, still loving flip phones, blackberries and just joining the iphone love.
Symbian is alive and well in Japan. That should tell you everything.
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It had to be his APN settings. I've used dozens of non-softbank phones over here, starting with my GSM WinMo Treo 750, and as long as the APN settings were correct, it worked on data fine. There's one other person with an Atrix I know here in Tokyo; He's a Google employee here. So I know it'll work.
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Have you ever heard of people getting extremely high charges for data? I read about that on another forum (gaijinpot, search for "softbank bill" on the title, I can't link to it). They say softbank will usually not allow you to use a cell phone they didn't sell on their data network if you ask them directly. The thread is 3 or so moths old, I don't think too much has changed since then.
Again, it's all in the plan/APN settings you start off with beforehand, along with checking My.softbank.ne.jp to see if you're getting ridiculous charges...
Some people go into the store, get a prepaid phone, then just swap the SIMs. No prepaid phone here comes with data!
Others are moving from a featurephone to a smartphone. Those have data, but are tied to a specific APN. When pulling down more data than allowed from that APN, they charge exorbitant fees. Hence plan changing is a good thing.
Finally, some people go from iPhone to another Android. iPhones here have totally different APNs they attach to.
It's all in the name controlling the plans for their customers, that's all. Connect to the one you're paying for, then you shouldn't have any problem.
Again, I used an AT&T treo 750, HTC Tilt, HTC Tilt 2, from T-mobile, and an out-the-box unlocked iPhone 3GS from Singapore with no issues. Of course you NEVER tell them that you're using a different phone from the one that's on their system. But as long as you're connected properly, they generally don't care.
That being said, theres another option called B:mobile here. They're an MVNO and use DoCoMo's network. They just sell you a prepaid SIM card. I may try them out, just to see what kind of service is there and if it could save me some ¥. This guy is test one right now actually:
http://softbanksucks.blogspot.com/
Wow, that was really informative starrwulfe. I was looking for this kind of info because I just got an Atrix off of ebay and I plan to use it with a Dell Streak's SIM which I got from softbank on the 2-year contract. You're saying that if I backup my APN settings from the Streak I should have no problems on the Atrix, correct?
For the record, I pay about 9,000 yen per month. That includes ~6,000 for the unlimited data plan, ~1800 for the phone, and all the crap you have to sign in when you make the contract.
OP, If you are going to stay in Japan long enough and you intend to use a lot of data on the Atrix you may want to consider getting a basic android smartphone from softbank on an unlimited data plan and swapping SIMs.
Exactly.
I have a Sharp Galapagos SH005 here now, but like you, I'm switching to an Atrix too (in fact it should be here before Saturday) and that's exactly what I plan to do.
Easy way to tell what APN you should connect to is to check the color of the SIM cards. Black ones are iPhone only cards, gray ones with green bands specifically say "SMARTPHONE" on them-- they go into the Android phones here. Feature phones have a regular gray card.
You can find the APN info and password easily by googling a little... But if you can back up your APN info, can you share it with me? mine is locked (current phone can't be rooted)
Ok, now I'm having trouble here with getting my Atrix set up on the Softbank network.
Phone calls and SMS work, but data doesn't.
Seems they have some unpublished APNs now with the new android phones. My Galapagos plugs into some other APN than what the normal silver cards did. Unfortunately I can't see what my APN is now on my current phone since they've locked that part out.
What I'm also afraid of is that they may have also started using things like imei checking and user agent binding as well. Great, now what can I do?
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Just so you know, I have this with sim card out of my iPhone and my atrix works on the softbank network. So it was see if only thing stopping me for connecting to softbank is apn info.
again if anybody has sharp galapogos APN information for softbank I would happily pay pal a donation
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It had to be his APN settings. I've used dozens of non-softbank phones over here, starting with my GSM WinMo Treo 750, and as long as the APN settings were correct, it worked on data fine. There's one other person with an Atrix I know here in Tokyo; He's a Google employee here. So I know it'll work.
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It was APNs....sort of. Motorola Atrix requires you to add your Username and Password to a file in '/system/etc/ppp/peers/pppd-ril.options'. With out this you can call and use wi-fi but can not use mobile data.
and for APN's this site is helpful:
http://android.modaco.com/content/a...internet-mms-apk-for-softbank-users-in-japan/
Just remember is you want tethering and aGPS add them to the list in APN Type. So it should read default,supl,mms,agps,dun,tether remember NO spaces
Starrwulf do you have root on you Galappagos phone? if so you can look at the APNs.....Let me make a guide quickly and I will update this post.
Required:
SQLite editor
Root
1) Open SQLite editor and accept the root permissions.
2) Go to Dialer storage.
3) telephony.db
4) carriers
This opens a database file with all the APNs preloaded on the phone. You should be able to look for the one that has a 'Yes' in the current field.
I assume this is the same or similar on the Galapagos (I don't have one specifically though)
Thanx _Dennis_ for being so helpful!
Unfortunately, this thing has no root-- or rather may have temporary root, but not full root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1054132
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13747122
If I could gain just enough access to that file, then maybe theres a good chance it's in there.
I don't think SuperOneClick works... any suggestions?
maybe try gingerbreak? it may gain you root but you may not be able to change anything, which would be ok.
Or even better do you have adb access? if so I will find the correct .db file.
--edit: correct file is /data/data/com.android.providers.telephony/databases/telephony.db
or try these settings:
apn carrier="SoftBank Internet"
mcc="440"
mnc="20"
apn="andglobal.softbank.ne.jp"
user="andg001softbank"
password="pumbbghkpgyybsxa"
mmsc="http://mms/"
mmsproxy="andmms.softbank.ne.jp"
mmsport="8080"
type="default,mms"
preferred="true"
from: http://android.modaco.com/content-p...-mms-apk-for-softbank-users-in-japan/page/40/
I'm on the freenode IRC channel #moto-atrix, my name is shadowfalx do to someone already having _dennis_ registered though, if you want more real time help
You, another friend of mine here on Gtalk, and I found that MoDaCo thread all at the same time!
Those settings did the trick actually! So now I'm good to go. Now I need to figure out how to push that other mms.apk thru ADB to get my useragent changed...
BTW I'm new to the Android Mod scene. I started messing with WinMo back in the States, then moved here and had a very hacked Tilt 2 on softbank... when it gave up the ghost, I went into the iPhone jailbreak scene. Now I'm here! So I'll accept any and all advice you can give me, sensei/senpai!
You don't really need the mms app Download 'Handcent' from the market and change the UA in settings. Also I suggest getting 'market enabler' requires root but it allows you to fake a US sim card in the market and get US only apps.
I have Hancent... But I don't see anywhere to change the UA in the settings.... Am I missing something?
Wanting to change my mac address on my Evo 3d from the address underneith the battery to use with my clearwire account? Is there any way to change it? I have tried the evo 4g method but cant get past the first step always get (bootloader) [ERR] Command error !!!
Does your Wimax work? If so, don't worry about it.
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My mac address on my evo is different then the address underneith the battery is there any way to repair it? I have tried the evo 4g method but cant get past the first step always get (bootloader) [ERR] Command error !!!
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i hope you have a wimax partition backup. Once you changed the MAC address (willingly or not) you made it not match with the certificated for that MAC address. WiMax and Cable Modems (on BPI1.1+) work very similar in that aspect. The only way would be to restore the mac address, and have the original Public, Private, and Root key. Which, in the phone world, there has not been any work in the extraction of these said certificates. Usually what was done in the Evo 4G (first wimax phone) a developer accidentally made a ROM with which changed just the MAC address. As of that day, it has been highly recommended to do a FULL backup of all partitions before ever even Rooting and/or S-Off'ing. I'm sorry, but unless you have that WiMax partition that you yourself made in CWM from stock, that phone will never have 4G working again. It will say "connecting... authenticating..." over and over again.
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Does your Wimax work? If so, don't worry about it.
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If his WiMax does work, then he is using someone else's 4G, and is in quite a wallop of [yet] unnoticed breaches. N2m you would prevent the original MAC user from connecting while you are connected, and vice-versa.
I guess what I should of said is that I have a clearwire modem that Im paying for and was wanting to clone that mac address to this phone is is possibile? I had a epic touch and was able to do so but got tired of the Dropping in signal problems and decided to sell it.
i am unfamiliar with what you're talking about, or why you need to clone the mac... you cant add your phones' mac into the clearwire's valid MAC list?
You have sprint service correct? If you do why would you want to do this? If you.can get clear you should be able to get 4g on your phone as well. Only way I'd see you wanting to do this is if you did not have Sprint service and had one of their wimax phones.
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sounds like he wants to use his phone as a data only device, ie no sprint service, but using clear 4g.
Instead of trying to clone your clear modem mac address, you should simply change your clearwire account to your phone's wimax mac #.
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sounds like he wants to use his phone as a data only device, ie no sprint service, but using clear 4g.
Instead of trying to clone your clear modem mac address, you should simply change your clearwire account to your phone's wimax mac #.
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ohh i get it now... ok first of all, no! if you change the MAC on your phone, your existing Root, Public, and Private certificates will NOT match. Furthermore, upon a certain set of attempted reconnects, your MAC can be banned by an automated Termination System which feeds the 4G tower. Once you change the MAC on the phone, it will NEVER authenticate into ANY 4G service EVER due to how BPI1.1+ works. And if your modem is banned, then good luck getting service from Clearwire again... Assuming you would want to go to them again seeing as how you would be sued for breach of contract as well of ToS (theft of service), which is what it is, FCC does NOT allow the cloning of any device which attains a feed for worldwideweb use, in exclusion of Router to NIC and reverse.
sooo yea... again... NO!
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however, can it be done? yes. is the information available? no. you would have to learn on getting into your phones NON-VOL settings which shouldnt be too dificult seeing as how it is linux based[may or may not need a JTAG idk if all the partitions are readable in say bootloader/fastboot]. then, you would need a JTAG cable (self-made, as I presume not many people hack your Clearwire modem as a hobby) to be able to modify the firmware in your modem, telnet into it browse to the NONVOL here as well, and extract the certificates. then its as easy as converting those certs to be just like in your phones' format. injecting them, and changint the MAC from your phone to the MAC on your clearwire modem. however, only one can be on at the same time in a specified node, only if you were like a zip code away would both be able to handshake, not even sure then, may not be allowed at all. but it COULD be done... the question is... can YOU do it? i gave you the steps already. now you just need google and ebay
*sidenote: JTAGs are not universal. oh oh... and i dont even know if there is any gui to flash your modem or even a howto... sooo . if it were a similar case in a different structure i would be all over it... but i really dont need it
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ohh i get it now... ok first of all, no! if you change the MAC on your phone, your existing Root, Public, and Private certificates will NOT match. Furthermore, upon a certain set of attempted reconnects, your MAC can be banned by an automated Termination System which feeds the 4G tower. Once you change the MAC on the phone, it will NEVER authenticate into ANY 4G service EVER due to how BPI1.1+ works. And if your modem is banned, then good luck getting service from Clearwire again... Assuming you would want to go to them again seeing as how you would be sued for breach of contract as well of ToS (theft of service), which is what it is, FCC does NOT allow the cloning of any device which attains a feed for worldwideweb use, in exclusion of Router to NIC and reverse.
sooo yea... again... NO!
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however, can it be done? yes. is the information available? no. you would have to learn on getting into your phones NON-VOL settings which shouldnt be too dificult seeing as how it is linux based[may or may not need a JTAG idk if all the partitions are readable in say bootloader/fastboot]. then, you would need a JTAG cable (self-made, as I presume not many people hack your Clearwire modem as a hobby) to be able to modify the firmware in your modem, telnet into it browse to the NONVOL here as well, and extract the certificates. then its as easy as converting those certs to be just like in your phones' format. injecting them, and changint the MAC from your phone to the MAC on your clearwire modem. however, only one can be on at the same time in a specified node, only if you were like a zip code away would both be able to handshake, not even sure then, may not be allowed at all. but it COULD be done... the question is... can YOU do it? i gave you the steps already. now you just need google and ebay
*sidenote: JTAGs are not universal. oh oh... and i dont even know if there is any gui to flash your modem or even a howto... sooo . if it were a similar case in a different structure i would be all over it... but i really dont need it
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Thats the info I was needing. And to answer othr posters questions, Im not using sprint Im on Verizon service as well as my old Epic Touch and had fully working 4g on it but Loss of service was terribile on that phone. The Epic Touch way of accomplishing my task was pretty easy but I am very familiar with modems and such that is my other hobby but I will try to do some reading up on this phone and see where it might take me thanks for a start.
Ok, this thread was closed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660357 before anything "illegal" could be discussed.
However, it does raise questions for me and possibly for others and while the power of Google is there, I'd like to ask here for clarification and educational purposes.
DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT get my thread closed by explaining how to change ESN. It has been made VERY clear that is illegal and against XDA.
However, this is the question: What is ESN and why exactly is it illegal to change it?
It was brought up in the aforementioned thread that if an Evo 3D is to be put on VM, the ESN would have to be changed.
That also brings up another question: Does the ESN have to be changed to be flashed to other carriers (Metro PCS, Cricket, Boost, etc)? If so, why are there guides on how to flash over.
Again, I'm curious about this, which is something I don't know anything about. And, again, please DO NOT get this thread closed by posting instructions on how to change ESN.
Thanks in advance for non-flaming assistance.
saboxerman said:
Ok, this thread was closed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660357 before anything "illegal" could be discussed.
However, it does raise questions for me and possibly for others and while the power of Google is there, I'd like to ask here for clarification and educational purposes.
DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT get my thread closed by explaining how to change ESN. It has been made VERY clear that is illegal and against XDA.
However, this is the question: What is ESN and why exactly is it illegal to change it?
It was brought up in the aforementioned thread that if an Evo 3D is to be put on VM, the ESN would have to be changed.
That also brings up another question: Does the ESN have to be changed to be flashed to other carriers (Metro PCS, Cricket, Boost, etc)? If so, why are there guides on how to flash over.
Again, I'm curious about this, which is something I don't know anything about. And, again, please DO NOT get this thread closed by posting instructions on how to change ESN.
Thanks in advance for non-flaming assistance.
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Although it is easy to search and find out roughly how to flash a phone to a different carrier, here's the basics.
You have to have a donor phone from the carrier you want. You clone that ESN of the donor to the new phone. As far as the new carrier is concerned, your phone will appear as the donor phone. Although I believe it is illegal to clone ESNs, it seems to be a bit of a grey area. This is because more than likely, you go buy or get a cheap boost/cricket/or other carrier phone to use as the donor and therefore you actually own that phone. It's like copying an old CD to a new burned one when it is too scratched up to play in a player to me. You own the original CD and just want to transfer it to a new CD to keep using it for your own purposes.
+1 to all these questions, especially why flashing for VM would be any different than Metro, etc. I was discussing my conjecture that using the 3d on VM would be a simple matter of finding a compatible Rom with proper radios (like the VM ics leak) and doing a few minor tweaks. Then the ESN thing was brought up and thread closed.
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ESN is electronic serial number and is used to identify each device. Its something like IMEI for CDMA phones. Then, if some people has lost the phone you can report the ESN and no one can use it. But if you change it to another number you can use as long as you want. That's the main reason it is illegal.And not, you don't need to change ESN if you want to change the carrier. At least I didn't see the need. I usually buy phones from sprint and then I flash in Mexico to iusacell and the ESN is never changed.
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raptoro07 said:
Although it is easy to search and find out roughly how to flash a phone to a different carrier, here's the basics.
You have to have a donor phone from the carrier you want. You clone that ESN of the donor to the new phone. As far as the new carrier is concerned, your phone will appear as the donor phone. Although I believe it is illegal to clone ESNs, it seems to be a bit of a grey area. This is because more than likely, you go buy or get a cheap boost/cricket/or other carrier phone to use as the donor and therefore you actually own that phone. It's like copying an old CD to a new burned one when it is too scratched up to play in a player to me. You own the original CD and just want to transfer it to a new CD to keep using it for your own purposes.
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Very good explanation. Yes, I know searching it is a possibility, however, I didn't see anything that jumped out at me on this Q & A forum and figured others are curious and should now about this stuff. There are some lines that are ridiculous, but, there are some that should not be crossed and this sounds like one.
Perfect analogy with the CD burning.
coal686 said:
+1 to all these questions, especially why flashing for VM would be any different than Metro, etc. I was discussing my conjecture that using the 3d on VM would be a simple matter of finding a compatible Rom with proper radios (like the VM ics leak) and doing a few minor tweaks. Then the ESN thing was brought up and thread closed.
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Ditto, ditto, ditto.
HTC Reseller said:
ESN is electronic serial number and is used to identify each device. Its something like IMEI for CDMA phones. Then, if some people has lost the phone you can report the ESN and no one can use it. But if you change it to another number you can use as long as you want. That's the main reason it is illegal.And not, you don't need to change ESN if you want to change the carrier. At least I didn't see the need. I usually buy phones from sprint and then I flash in Mexico to iusacell and the ESN is never changed.
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So, CDMA phones have IMEI and GSM phones have ESN?
Also, it was mentioned the ESN would have to be changed to go to VM. Why would that be if the ESN doesn't have to be changed to be flashed to other CDMA networks?
saboxerman said:
Very good explanation. Yes, I know searching it is a possibility, however, I didn't see anything that jumped out at me on this Q & A forum and figured others are curious and should now about this stuff. There are some lines that are ridiculous, but, there are some that should not be crossed and this sounds like one.
Perfect analogy with the CD burning.
Ditto, ditto, ditto.
So, CDMA phones have IMEI and GSM phones have ESN?
Also, it was mentioned the ESN would have to be changed to go to VM. Why would that be if the ESN doesn't have to be changed to be flashed to other CDMA networks?
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Yes, CDMA phones have an Electronic Serial Number (ESN) and GSM phones have a International Mobile Equipment Identity (IMEI). My understanding is that if you want to use an EVO 3D on Cricket say, you have to do the donor phone swarp because they don't use the EVO 3D on thier network.
raptoro07 said:
Yes, CDMA phones have an Electronic Serial Number (ESN) and GSM phones have a International Mobile Equipment Identity (IMEI). My understanding is that if you want to use an EVO 3D on Cricket say, you have to do the donor phone swarp because they don't use the EVO 3D on thier network.
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Is that specific to Cricket?
Sorry for so many questions, but, I'd like to have a clear understanding for myself and those reading.
Metro PCS doesn't use the Evo 3D on their network, however, there are instructions on flashing the phone to their network. Is that illegal? If so, how is that thread still up in the Development forum?
saboxerman said:
Is that specific to Cricket?
Sorry for so many questions, but, I'd like to have a clear understanding for myself and those reading.
Metro PCS doesn't use the Evo 3D on their network, however, there are instructions on flashing the phone to their network. Is that illegal? If so, how is that thread still up in the Development forum?
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So after some searching and watching some videos on youtube, you may not have to change the ESN to flash to a different carrier.
raptoro07 said:
So after some searching and watching some videos on youtube, you may not have to change the ESN to flash to a different carrier.
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Yeah...I can't hit YouTube at work. They have it blocked.
So, the question now is whether or not it is true the ESN has to be changed for VM. If so, why would it have to be changed?
saboxerman said:
Yeah...I can't hit YouTube at work. They have it blocked.
So, the question now is whether or not it is true the ESN has to be changed for VM. If so, why would it have to be changed?
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Okay, more info after more seraching.
You do not need to change the ESN (the process using a Donor phone) if the carrier you are attempting to use will accept your ESN. However, from what I have read, Virgin Mobile will only accept the ESN from a phone they have sold. Some carriers will allow ESNs on their network. In order to get a phone onto VM, you will have to get a donor and change the ESN (mentioned before as ILLEGAL). You could try flashing it, there are some guides out there to VM, but may not be able to activate without changing the ESN (Again ILLEGAL).
Ok, so lets sum it up. Most CDMA carriers only allow phones on their network that they themselves sold. Meaning it HAS to be branded by them. I.E. Sprint, VM, Boost (depends on who you talk to), Verizon, and a few others. On the other hand some carriers allow any ESN to be put on their network.
And that is where it lies. Because VM will not add ANY ESN to their database that they didn't sell. But for say like Cricket, they will allow any CDMA phone to their network. Thats why for Cricket all you have to do is get your data profile setup correctly and get the ESN registered with them.
But for VM, you have to change ESN's which in fact in black and white is illegal. There is no grey area. If you modify an ESN in any way shape or form you are breaking the law.
Cool, can we close this thread now?
I think that sums up everything and now I have a very clear picture of what the deal is.
Thank you to everyone who contributed to the answer and I hope this helps others out there with the same question.
Cool to close the thread?
Okay I have searched entire site and no information what so ever. So here goes.
I have a Motorola Photon - Rooted thanks to forums.
There is a wireless service here in Ohio with CDMA phones called Revol Wireless with a month-to-month unlimited talk/text/web plan. But their phones are trash and are allowing other CDMA phones to be flashed to their service.
Corner stores all over columbus, with cell phone vendors inside, are flashing Sprint phones with bad ESN's to Revol Wireless.
I took my phone in ti multiple stores. Revol supports the Motorola Photon but wants to charge me $40-$60 JUST for the flashing service on top of the inital $50 monthly service fee.
Now, if I wanted to spend $100+ on a new phone I would just hit craigslist for a GSM unlocked.
Does ANYONE here know HOW I can do this without having to pay some over priced carry-out?
I can provide little information to get you started on the how-to...
Here is what you will need:
Rooted Android
USB data cable
Android drivers
HW Virtual Serial Port
CDMA Workshop 2.7 or 3.x higher
I have seen there is a simple "One click process" through software called Houdinisoft but they also charge a ridiculous amount of money for even a 1 time key.
But all over the internet I see people (those who know what they're doing) doing this process manually with no fee's.
Please help me save some money. -_-
FriendlyStalker said:
Okay I have searched entire site and no information what so ever. So here goes.
I have a Motorola Photon - Rooted thanks to forums.
There is a wireless service here in Ohio with CDMA phones called Revol Wireless with a month-to-month unlimited talk/text/web plan. But their phones are trash and are allowing other CDMA phones to be flashed to their service.
Corner stores all over columbus, with cell phone vendors inside, are flashing Sprint phones with bad ESN's to Revol Wireless.
I took my phone in ti multiple stores. Revol supports the Motorola Photon but wants to charge me $40-$60 JUST for the flashing service on top of the inital $50 monthly service fee.
Now, if I wanted to spend $100+ on a new phone I would just hit craigslist for a GSM unlocked.
Does ANYONE here know HOW I can do this without having to pay some over priced carry-out?
I can provide little information to get you started on the how-to...
Here is what you will need:
Rooted Android
USB data cable
Android drivers
HW Virtual Serial Port
CDMA Workshop 2.7 or 3.x higher
I have seen there is a simple "One click process" through software called Houdinisoft but they also charge a ridiculous amount of money for even a 1 time key.
But all over the internet I see people (those who know what they're doing) doing this process manually with no fee's.
Please help me save some money. -_-
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To make the phone work on there network all you really need to do is flash their prl to your phone and have them add your esn to their network. That's all that is really necessary. You can find plenty of info on prl flashing. It may be tough to find their prl. I think if you just get your phone to roam on their network with the esn added you can *228 to update it?
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na7q said:
To make the phone work on there network all you really need to do is flash their prl to your phone and have them add your esn to their network. That's all that is really necessary. You can find plenty of info on prl flashing. It may be tough to find their prl. I think if you just get your phone to roam on their network with the esn added you can *228 to update it?
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Thank you the time replying but no that doesnt help at all
It's a little more involved than that, but getting the prl on the phone will make talk and text work.. But that's about it. If you've never flashed a phone to another carrier and cant follow a tutorial online you might as well pony up the cash and have someone else do it. I've done lots of sprint and verizon phones flashed to cricket and it can be time consuming depending on the phone. A tutorial online to flash to cricket would be very similiar to what carrier you're trying to flash to, but you are gunna need all the carrier specific information for you Revol. I've never heard of them.
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Thank you the time replying but no that doesnt help at all
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well what exactly are you looking for then? am i not understanding something?
you'd also need to edit APN's for mms.
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It's a little more involved than that, but getting the prl on the phone will make talk and text work.. But that's about it. If you've never flashed a phone to another carrier and cant follow a tutorial online you might as well pony up the cash and have someone else do it. I've done lots of sprint and verizon phones flashed to cricket and it can be time consuming depending on the phone. A tutorial online to flash to cricket would be very similiar to what carrier you're trying to flash to, but you are gunna need all the carrier specific information for you Revol. I've never heard of them.
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it's pretty much that. prl and esn. plus apn's of course. i don't see what else could possible need to be touched to make it work.
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well what exactly are you looking for then? am i not understanding something?
you'd also need to edit APN's for mms.
it's pretty much that. prl and esn. plus apn's of course. i don't see what else could possible need to be touched to make it work.
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Never been able to get a phone on cricket to OTA with *228 after entering the PRL and have the data work. Always had to tinker around with cdma workshop and QPST. I have done less than 10 phones though so maybe I'm not that seasoned at it.
boredmug said:
Never been able to get a phone on cricket to OTA with *228 after entering the PRL and have the data work. Always had to tinker around with cdma workshop and QPST. I have done less than 10 phones though so maybe I'm not that seasoned at it.
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I forgot to mention the most obvious ones I assume everyone knows the min and mdn numbers. It's been a while for me... for data you need to edit the nv item I believe. Those are all super easy. It can be done in just minutes!
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na7q said:
I forgot to mention the most obvious ones I assume everyone knows the min and mdn numbers. It's been a while for me... for data you need to edit the nv item I believe. Those are all super easy. It can be done in just minutes!
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Yea, the nv items.. it's mostly pretty easy as long as you have all the info to enter.. i had problems with a galaxy s2 on cricket where i had to try tons of different prl's to get data and calls to work correctly.. don't know why.
Sorry for no reply
Thank you guys, for the time you took to reply to me. Sorry I have not been responding. I have been trying to do as much research on this as I possibly can before i get into it. But I still have no idea what you're talking about.
I can admit im in over my head. I root every android phone I have ever had. I have jail broken every ipod I ever had with 0 casualties because I find an online tutorial and follow STEP BY STEP. lol
But there is no tutorial anywhere for this.
Im VERY good at following directions but you guys arent giving directions you are giving steps of what needs done. Not how to do them. Im sorry I AM a noob that just reads tutorials. I dont wanna take a crash course on this phone lol.