I know this is a grey area, but Verizon determines whether a data plan is forced based on ESN, right? So if I were to put a Touch Pro on Verizon with a cloned ESN from an older phone, could I use it without the data plan?
martyxng said:
I know this is a grey area, but Verizon determines whether a data plan is forced based on ESN, right? So if I were to put a Touch Pro on Verizon with a cloned ESN from an older phone, could I use it without the data plan?
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technically yes since they can only identify the device by comparing to the E$N (they cannot access your device remotely to see what OS you are running).
egzthunder1 said:
technically yes since they can only identify the device by comparing to the E$N (they cannot access your device remotely to see what OS you are running).
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Excellent. That's good to hear. I still don't understand how it is legal for Verizon to force the data plan even if you don't buy a subsidized phone from them! Imagine buying a new car and then getting a bill for driving on every toll road in the state every month even if you never drove on one!
Now I just need to find out if it's still possible to get a Sprint Touch Pro onto Verizon or not. I'd like that extra 100 megs of RAM! I was thinking about buying a Sprint Touch Pro on ebay, then trying to get it activated on Verizon, but even people at the Verizon stores in my area don't seem to be clear on whether or not a Sprint phone works on Verizon!
Yes, plan is based on ESN.
But, you will need to flash the Touch Pro with a shipped Alltel or Verizon ROM before changing ESN or flashing custom rom.
The above statement is totally incorrect. There are methods to change ESN and the rom has nothing to do with it. However there are different radios out there that can work for this purpose.
cleanser said:
The above statement is totally incorrect. There are methods to change ESN and the rom has nothing to do with it. However there are different radios out there that can work for this purpose.
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Agree with cleanser. No need to do any kind of flashing. You need however, to SuperCID the device in order to change the E$N.
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How possible is[nt] this?
Anyone got a clue? I would love t move, BUT I don't have $350 for a new mogul [vx6800]
I gather this isn't legally possible without having Sprint unlock your phone (which they said they'll start doing, AFTER contracts run out), and then having Verizon permit your unlocked phone onto their network.
There are probably ways of doing it yourself, but they're not legal. And they require more intimate knowledge of the phone networks than I possess.
Yes and no
Greetings,
It would work as the devices are pretty much the same, major diff is the MSL. Sprint uses an algorithm to compute this code based on ESN, where Verizon just uses 000000 on all units. This could be changed easily and you could even have a ROM cooked up that would load the VZW applications loaded up. Where you run into a problem is that both carriers look at the ESN range that your unit falls in and will deny you just simply based on that alone. It is a rule of the carrier as opposed it not working. Maybe they will open the rules one day, as they actually do use the same CDMA network, as a consultant I work on Sprint, VZW, Alltel, and many others systems.
The way I see it, if sprint is allowing the phones to go global, then it should work. I remember in the days when i was in love with the e815 for vzw. The e816 came out, which is a black version, but it was only for amped mobile. I was able to swap out the rom and then use the e816 on verizons network. I'm not sure if its the same for sprint, but maybe since they're all cdma phones anyway.
I'm tempted to try a VZW ROM on my phone and see what happens... I got as friend with VZW I could call in and try to activate under her account... Maybe I'll try it.
I apologize for the misleading Title, but i would really like to know if theres a method on "transferring" our current unlimited plans, onto a CDMA EVDO Modem.
Can this be done by copying all the necessary login information, and certifications, or what? To be honest i don't even know, Thats why im asking.
Also if someone knows and this is possible... What are the required EVDO Adapters. Please list some Mini-PCI cards if available as well. That is of course if this is POSSIBLE.
Why i ask: Using WMWifiRouter, or Just using internet sharing... is great, but what if i don't have my phone with me. It be a hell-of-alot nicer to just have it implemented onto a EVDO Modem if i had one.
If someone has an answer then the title of this thread would be quite useful now wouldn't it. Lol
Nope you cant do this because the Hardware device number or ESN is what authorizes you on the network and what keeps track of all the data for billing purposes. They already have many cdma modems for your computer my dell has one integrated into it but you have to assing it a seperate phone number from your phone and pay another DATA plan to use it.... Hope that Helps you out...
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Nope you cant do this because the Hardware device number or ESN is what authorizes you on the network and what keeps track of all the data for billing purposes. They already have many cdma modems for your computer my dell has one integrated into it but you have to assing it a seperate phone number from your phone and pay another DATA plan to use it.... Hope that Helps you out...
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isn't there a way to mask the ESN on a EVDO Modem, if so which one would let you (or rather how would you go about doing it). It seems like a simple task really.
In fact, if you Just go to your EPST Settings (open phone, Punch in ##PST#, Select View) all the information is there. The ESN number and what-not.
Well ESN cloning is illegal, especially for those purposes. But no, the ESN and that is hardwired to the phone. That is why you have that sticker in the back under the battery. You may be able to change it in the software, but it still won't work.
There are some people out there who can clone ESN's, but its very very illegal and will get you very very sued.
I too would be very interested in working on this. It seems to me also that if we were able to somehow clone our esn numbers to the EVDO modem it would work
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Well ESN cloning is illegal, especially for those purposes. But no, the ESN and that is hardwired to the phone. That is why you have that sticker in the back under the battery. You may be able to change it in the software, but it still won't work.
There are some people out there who can clone ESN's, but its very very illegal and will get you very very sued.
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hah its interesting to see how it kinda didn't occur to me that its very very illegal. Since its Very very illegal, its very very unlikely you'd be found out. In which case if you are, yes you could very very possibly be sued.
AH WELL, Just for the fun of it lets get started
why not use ICS or wifirouter like the rest of us?
/me is posting using ICS now...
He does use WMWifiRouter, but he wants to clone his ESN on a Sprint Computer Card to use what is meant to be a cell phone data plan as a cheap wireless laptop data plan instead of paying the $50 a month.
I was a cell tech 10 years ago but now I am lost. I want to switch providers but keep my phone. Company techs say no way, have to buy new phone. That HTC 6800 and xv6800 look similar but have different guts and one will not emulate the other. Can I flash the mogul to work with verizon? If so, A few keywords for searching this site, to get up to speed would be greatley appreciated. Thanks for your help.
The phones are essentially identical if you put cosmetic differences aside. The real difference is that Sprint have that one's ESN number in their database for the phone, and Verizon have no knowledge of that phone in their database. So, if you call VZW they will say, "hmmm... nope, we can't help you." But, if you illegally change that one's ESN to the ESN of a valid Verizon phone, you can register that phone to their network. But, there is a little difference about ESN, MSL, MSID, etc. between VZW and Sprint... so if you decide to break the law well, make sure to research your topic thoroughly. It is possible though.
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The phones are essentially identical if you put cosmetic differences aside. The real difference is that Sprint have that one's ESN number in their database for the phone, and Verizon have no knowledge of that phone in their database. So, if you call VZW they will say, "hmmm... nope, we can't help you." But, if you illegally change that one's ESN to the ESN of a valid Verizon phone, you can register that phone to their network. But, there is a little difference about ESN, MSL, MSID, etc. between VZW and Sprint... so if you decide to break the law well, make sure to research your topic thoroughly. It is possible though.
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verizon now (or will soon) lets you use any phone on their network (provided its CDMA of course) so having them activate a sprint mogul shoudlnt be an issue
defaultdotxbe said:
verizon now (or will soon) lets you use any phone on their network (provided its CDMA of course) so having them activate a sprint mogul shoudlnt be an issue
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My Verizon rep said next year... and in Verizon time that means don't hold your breath.
i had heard some areas had started immediately following the announcement last november
So I did the unlock and put the new sprint rom on it. I then loaded the prl, changed the msl to all 0's. I called verizon to change it from my juke. They told me the esn is not in there database, she had to submit a form to try to get it changed, it will be some days if they do it at all. Is there anything I can do to get this to work on Verizon without them trying to add the esn and it possibly getting denied. I would like to get it up and running today. Does anybody have a way to fix this, that is in noob terms. Thank you in advance!
Yes, you can supercid it and then clone your existing esn onto it.
http://www.ringerpost.com/forums/rpost.pl?b-rt/m-1207420735/
ok I attempted to clone it to my existing juke phone that I have active on verizon. When i change the esn I get no signal. Even when prl is loaded. When I change the esn back to the stock esn, I get a signal, but verizon won't activate that esn, they called me back and said its a sprint esn and they couldn't activate it. Man I am pulling my hair out trying to figure this out. Can anybody offer some help, or post the steps they used to get this working?
any help would be great
ltent said:
any help would be great
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vzw hasnt fully made their system open yet. they wont accept an esn that they didnt sell. so no sprint esn will be activated. the only thing you can do is change the esn, but since that makes you not able to get a signal, seems like you might not be doing that right...
i don't understand what im doing wrong
You're not doing anything wrong. Verizon WILL not activate any phone on their network that doesn't have a Verizon ESN. The mogul will run perfectly fine on the network, but because it has a Sprint ESN, they will not activate it. Now...if you're trying to clone the ESN of an existing Verizon phone, that's a whole different story and is quite illegal.
I don't believe that cloning the esn from a juke will work -- because VZW knows the phone type by the esn. It seems that you would need to use an esn from a junk mogul
give it a try?
the phne should at least get a signal from that esn though. It gets nothing! Its like I'm in a no coverage zone
i just activated my sprint motoQ on verizon. they did not question the sprint ESN at all.
flashed a vz image and vz prl, and all is good.
dcd1182 said:
i just activated my sprint motoQ on verizon. they did not question the sprint ESN at all.
flashed a vz image and vz prl, and all is good.
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^^^ Thats cuz they know the power of DCD
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i just activated my sprint motoQ on verizon. they did not question the sprint ESN at all.
flashed a vz image and vz prl, and all is good.
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is it possible to use verizon phone for sprint? Then use your rom?
nathan7 said:
is it possible to use verizon phone for sprint? Then use your rom?
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I would love to know this. It would cut my bill by about 75%.
Asking the experts...
I have been reading and following the titan for some time and are ready to purchase. Looking at Verizon vs. Sprint for new device, Verizon is way more expensive. Looking at eBay there are many for Sprint and next to zero for Verizon.
I would like to bid on a "clean ESN" phone for Sprint, then activate on Verizon. Possibly even activate on Sprint for some time then switch. (I have under 2 months left on my contract).
I have found a few that are NIB for a seller and asked for the ESN. He states he gives them only to the winner. I say red flag, but does he have a security issue (I could clone it??)?
And from above, could I do the double activate or if Verizon says it is clean only do it there?
Thanks.
I am also trying to do this. I have the cracking 6800 package, followed the instructions and was able to get the cid to all o's, although i am stuck in CDMA workshop and cant change the ESN because i am not sure what port to connect on( i have tried all them no luck) Anyone with any ideas would help me out alot. Also if the phone is currently unlocked with 2.4 loader but has the sprint 3.35 radio is it safe to flash to a stock verizon rom? Do i need to even do this? I have flashed with a custom rom then selected verizon as my carrier but in EPST config it still shows SPCS.
dcd1182 said:
i just activated my sprint motoQ on verizon. they did not question the sprint ESN at all.
flashed a vz image and vz prl, and all is good.
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SHOW OFF.......lol
were not worthy!.....were not worthy!
Can someone please help me I have a Touch Pro for sprint, but I recently changed to US cellular. Is there anyway I can use my phone on the US Cellular Network?
Probably not.. they only allow US Cellular branded phones on their network.
jjohn999 said:
Can someone please help me I have a Touch Pro for sprint, but I recently changed to US cellular. Is there anyway I can use my phone on the US Cellular Network?
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i understand that us cellular wont activate it but i have a way around that problem. i just need to know how to program the phone for there network.
find someone with a windows mobile phone and look at the settings from QPST from them.
Then find a carrier cab i think DCD made one im not sure if USCC stants for us cellular http://dcd1182.n715dp.com/index.php?dir=hermann/carriers/
Good luck
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find someone with a windows mobile phone and look at the settings from QPST from them.
Then find a carrier cab i think DCD made one im not sure if USCC stants for us cellular http://dcd1182.n715dp.com/index.php?dir=hermann/carriers/
Good luck
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im a noob when it comes to flashing to another carrier. i have flashed over to the us cellular rom, but still get sprint when i dial out.
Load the latest PRL
http://corolada.com/prl/
I'm not sure if US cellular uses DMU key authentication, you might need to change that too. (i doubt it, but search google or something)
Also search google for threads on converting a sprint TP to verizon and you might find steps on how this is done although its a diff carrier.
does anybody have the DMU setting for US cellular or know if they use it?
cleanser said:
Load the latest PRL
http://corolada.com/prl/
I'm not sure if US cellular uses DMU key authentication, you might need to change that too. (i doubt it, but search google or something)
Also search google for threads on converting a sprint TP to verizon and you might find steps on how this is done although its a diff carrier.
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no a key used.
for the settings check out http://sites.google.com/site/victorbush/htc-6800-1/epst-data-settings
The problem you will run into is that until they add your ESN into their system, no matter what you do the phone won't work on USCC.
Customer support won't activate a phone with an unknown ESN, they will require that you go to a store, and unless you can find a store with a tech who doesn't mind breaking the rules, you will never get it activated.
All roms for the most part are mostly universal, so putting on USCC's rom won't help, because the phone doesn't physically say USCC on it, when their actual phones do, will basically make it impossible to get accomplished.
BTC
I am receiving a US Cellular Touch Pro on Monday. People at the main US Cellular told me to buy one on Ebay lol. Well I did & will have the settings. Cant you just call in & give them the new ESN?
Viper Matrix Wireless said:
I am receiving a US Cellular Touch Pro on Monday. People at the main US Cellular told me to buy one on Ebay lol. Well I did & will have the settings. Cant you just call in & give them the new ESN?
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they do have a (white)list of their 'GOOD' ESN numbers, since HTC customizes the phone for them and will provide them a list of the ESN numbers sold...
YMMV to get a tech to activate an unknown ESN number... the system may not even allow it if it doesn't match the whitelist
im actually really interested in this... for my old Titan however, my sisters phone broke, and shes broke as well (har har), my old Titan still works fine, I want to give it to her and activate it on USCC but am running into the tech problem...
I second the interest, I have a Verizon Touch Pro that I am going to try and activate on US Cellular, the settings would be fantastic.
cleanser said:
find someone with a windows mobile phone and look at the settings from QPST from them.
Then find a carrier cab i think DCD made one im not sure if USCC stants for us cellular http://dcd1182.n715dp.com/index.php?dir=hermann/carriers/
Good luck
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would this work the other way around (us cellular to sprint)?
You may have luck with USCC if you get a nice tech.. but you can NOT activate a non-sprint phone on sprint.. period... they are very particular about that.... & if you want a chance of activating your phone on USCC, have it all programmed for them before you even take it in.... that way they will see no major work needs to be done, and presto!