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Htc has made numerous statements that it will review the bootloader policy but as mentioned in many text we all know that just spin, I say we boycott HTC and dont buy on launch day unless the lock is down
Dear sir, I see this is your first post and I welcome you to the site, but how many of these threads do we really need?
Unfortunately, even if this entire website were to buy a EVO 3D, it would not even make a dent in the amount of profits they will get on launch. Everyone wants a 3D phone, most people don't know about rooting phones.
im not new to the site been around for 6 years under three names i keep forgetting my old passwords and i dont have access to the old email on file but my post is for boycotting upon release date not just making a statement but rather not purchasing until a fix is present
HTC doesn't really give a flying **** about our *****ing. If all of us who were previously considering the Evo 3d don't buy it, HTC wouldn't care. We are the minority, the mainstream people who don't know what root means will continue to buy It regardless.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
Htc better care, who do you think makes all of the apps that are the reason why ios and android are what they are today? If they're not smart enough to care today then they'll start caring a few months from now when all of the 3D apps are designed for the optimus and the E3D is irrelevant.
Theyre already one of the last out the gate with dual cores
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Nsandhu23 said:
HTC doesn't really give a flying **** about our *****ing. If all of us who were previously considering the Evo 3d don't buy it, HTC wouldn't care. We are the minority, the mainstream people who don't know what root means will continue to buy It regardless.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
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That is correct. But who do the majority come to when deciding which phone to buy? The geeks. Imagine if engadget, phonedog, cnet, etc... were to give the EVO 3D bad reviews? Can you imagine what the comments will say in those articles? Even if we can't make a direct impact with our own sales, we influence the minds of many of those people that are not as tech savvy as us. My whole family has HTC phones cause of me. That will soon change. I am sure we can have a very powerful impact.
randy2 said:
im not new to the site been around for 6 years under three names i keep forgetting my old passwords and i dont have access to the old email on file but my post is for boycotting upon release date not just making a statement but rather not purchasing until a fix is present
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Still could have fit in with the other threads. Just saying - not trying to be a jerk or anything.
Honestly it's tough to follow so many threads and the numbers keep growing. Somebody should just merge them lol.
WeatherTech said:
Still could have fit in with the other threads. Just saying - not trying to be a jerk or anything.
Honestly it's tough to follow so many threads and the numbers keep growing. Somebody should just merge them lol.
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This. +1 (10 char)
I for one have a job with PHONE SALES, and i am sure i am not the only one. What we think will influence the customer greatly.
Broded said:
Unfortunately, even if this entire website were to buy a EVO 3D, it would not even make a dent in the amount of profits they will get on launch. Everyone wants a 3D phone, most people don't know about rooting phones.
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Not true. We are the enthusiasts who shape consumer sentiment. This news has made it to all sorts of popular blogs recently. Even a friend of mine who rarely reads tech blogs stumbled across the news. My fiancee won't even think of buying it anymore obviously because I won't -- and I'll recommend other phones to her, my friends, and my family.
That's already ~10 devices for one pointless random person -- me. I know the effect isn't as dramatic for some others, but what we show off, what we brag about, what we get excited for and lust over... is highly contagious. The legendary HD2 didn't merely sell because of its "awesome features." It's still moderately (shockingly) popular today among enthusiasts and is happily sold and traded online -- because of the community.
Even if it's just a placebo effect for the masses (who won't ever know what "flashing" could possibly mean), placebo effect and public sentiment is one of the biggest influences the advertizing world has ever known.
Now the clincher -- many people besides the forum-goers here look to HTC as an alternative to Apple out of principle (or bad experience). They need just ask one enthusiast or read one of the many popular tech sites now posting this news to know that they shouldn't buy the device. How? They'll just read that it's "locked, unopened, encrypted, spurned by uber-geeks" just as the Apple product was.
Don't underestimate our power. Use it. Such social gathering and protest won revolts in random middle eastern countries. It even won a partial concession from Motorola and its formerly horrific bootloader policy. It's powerful, and it works. Vote now (link in sig, takes seconds) and/or contact HTC. Better yet, have your friends do the same. Welcome to Web 2.0 power, people.
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This. +1 (10 char)
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Actually, with the amount of discussion on the bootloader it might even make sense to have another subforum for it! Lots of useful content but it's all split between threads.
we need time to assess
Just tweeted this - not really any different than the others but still
@HTC - Say no to locked bootloaders and say yes to open development. #EVO3D - #Sprint - #youlockwewalk
Let's also get Sprint's attention! I just posted a thread on there. Respond or start your own. The more attention the better. I am sure Sprint is in on this also.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/comm...ew=discussions
I disagree with you completely. The N64 emulator and the 3D capability of the EVO 3d alone would attract so many people, its like a phone and a 3DS. We are a minority, we may be able to convince other people to not buy it, but a 3D phone is attractive to the masses sort of like an iPhone is.
it is still a damn good phone with gingerbread and sense 3.0, people wouldn't give a damn about locked bootloader, ask 10 of my friends and they probably wont know what the hell a locked bootloader is. Even if it is a locked bootloader there is always a way around.
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it is still a damn good phone with gingerbread and sense 3.0, people wouldn't give a damn about locked bootloader, ask 10 of my friends and they probably wont know what the hell a locked bootloader is. Even if it is a locked bootloader there is always a way around.
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wrong, you should really take a proactive approach to this and tell your friends about the locked boot loader. Second, yes there is a way around LOCKED BOOTLOADERS, but not an encrypted hboot, recovery AND kernel. With those being encrypted, we are essentially screwed.
Sent from the last free HTC Smartphone: HTC EVO. CM7. We are legion.
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wrong, you should really take a proactive approach to this and tell your friends about the locked boot loader. Second, yes there is a way around LOCKED BOOTLOADERS, but not an encrypted hboot, recovery AND kernel. With those being encrypted, we are essentially screwed.
Sent from the last free HTC Smartphone: HTC EVO. CM7. We are legion.
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Lol i say on htcs sites and email that i will not be gettin the evo 3d bc of this to try and change there mind . But really who thinks its gonna help ? Sprint and other carriers have a roll in this to they dont want you to be able to get hot spot free anymore,
Im gonna get thr evo 3d for the phone itself
No matter if they change it or not , the evo 3d is the bEst phone coming out soon its htc , htc has the best build quality other then apple and i hate apple
But you people or can say ur gettin samsung or lg can go ahead i will wait 6 months for a full root with a leaked eng bootloader half root wont hurt untill then . What will hurt is u people going to samsung or lg and couple months down the road ur phone falls apart i would rather a great phone then a phone with a unlocked bootloader
We will get full root, some how, some way. If htc does it the way that sony is (they unlock, flag as voided), I'm sure we will find a way to use that and unlock that biotch.
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This thread is only to get answers from HTC, and the only wait to get answers is by contacting them, like the time that everybody contact them for the bootloader.
Here is the site and what i wrote...
http://www.htc.com/us/support/e-mail
Hi..
I got The HTC EVO 3D in June 22, as part of Sprint Premier Custumer I'm. But the are some things that are missing and i want to know what happened here.
For example, Flashlight APP, Battery Widget, Panaromic Camera, and the Transparent Rosie that everybody saw on CTIA Event. That is very disappointing.
I will attach a Photo of the Transparent Rosie that was anounced in the CTIA Wireless event, compared with the EVO 4G.
http://htc-phones.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/HTC-EVO-3D-And-EVO-4G-Android-Phones.jpg
Also i want to know about unlocket bootleader, when will that be coming?
I hope that my questions are answered, becuase i'm very disappointed at this thing and im planning of returning the phone.
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Also:
www.facebook.com/htc
www.twitter.com/htc
PD. Reality is I'm not really planing on returning my phone for those issues LOL, but i really whant to know what **** will they tell.
Man, some people are impatient.
Also, when contacting a company about something to do with business, a run through the spell checker wouldn't be a bad idea. Just saying.
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3vo. That is all that needs be said.
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Man, some people are impatient.
Also, when contacting a company about something to do with business, a run through the spell checker wouldn't be a bad idea. Just saying.
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3vo. That is all that needs be said.
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I have to keep a low profile, LOL
see, maybe im one of the few people who wont die at the fact that the phone is s-on, when it happens (if it does) then it will. I respect HTC for the high quality products that they release. especially with this pretty much bad ass phone.
HTC the first in just about everything.
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see, maybe im one of the few people who wont die at the fact that the phone is s-on, when it happens (if it does) then it will. I respect HTC for the high quality products that they release. especially with this pretty much bad ass phone.
HTC the first in just about everything.
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The problem now is that they have promised that it would happen. One wrong step and they will be branded as liars by their most devoted customers. It's one thing to not say anything, but once you promise to do something, then I suppose they should follow through.
@rockypr:
hope I didn't blow your cover!
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3vo. That is all that needs be said.
Lol @ bootleader, I think I'll use that from now on.
waiting
All I'm waiting on is root capability and then I will change from 4G to 3D.
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The problem now is that they have promised that it would happen. One wrong step and they will be branded as liars by their most devoted customers. It's one thing to not say anything, but once you promise to do something, then I suppose they should follow through.
@rockypr:
hope I didn't blow your cover!
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oh i know all about how they made that statement, I was just referring to a general state of how im just trying to be the good patient kid before christmas to open my presents
This was treir answer...
Dear Rockypr9,
I understand the importance of having your device perform to the fullest of its ability. The applications you describe were removed from the production model of the Sprint EVO 3D at Sprint's request so that it would function as intended. I do paologize for any inconvenience.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number 11USCW26ENA******.
Sincerely,
Jeffery
HTC
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I suppose the title says it all..
I know that the Amaze is lacking in development compared to devices such as the Sensation but there is so much drama here in the Amaze forums... It's kind of ridiculous.
I'm honestly considering buying an HTC Sensation just to get away from the drama here in the Amaze forum.
I really do believe that, though there are exceptions, this entire forum is full of a bunch of spoiled kids who wouldn't even have this device if it weren't for Mommy and Daddy.
Flaming and *****ing and generally behaving like children.
Alright folks.. Lets see how bad I get ripped open for this one..
I considered it for a short time but not after getting s - off. I am staying with my Amaze.
dharvey4651 said:
I suppose the title says it all..
I know that the Amaze is lacking in development compared to devices such as the Sensation but there is so much drama here in the Amaze forums... It's kind of ridiculous.
I'm honestly considering buying an HTC Sensation just to get away from the drama here in the Amaze forum.
I really do believe that, though there are exceptions, this entire forum is full of a bunch of spoiled kids who wouldn't even have this device if it weren't for Mommy and Daddy.
Flaming and *****ing and generally behaving like children.
Alright folks.. Lets see how bad I get ripped open for this one..
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This isn't the only forum that's like this, you think it is because you come here the most, I'm 15, and I bought this phone saving up for it, nobody bought it for me, Forums are always like this where noobs/no lifes go into the scene
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LOL... Get a new phone because of childish behavior on this one? Really? LMAO That's childish in itself. If you only get a phone to participate in this community, then you need friends.
Instead of dumping your awesome phone, dump the "childish community" and leave your phone the way it is.
I mean you're a senior moderator. We could actually use your abilities to help moderate this ridiculous kid zone and clean it up.
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if you want to leave i will buy your phone...
Thanks to s-off we'll get busy here and the children and foolish will get shunned.... XDA as a community is full of experienced intelligent people.. The silver spooners will learn or move somewhere else when daddy buys the next new hot item with a stupid gimmicky lock screen....
Stick around its about to get better
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glacierguy said:
LOL... Get a new phone because of childish behavior on this one? Really? LMAO That's childish in itself. If you only get a phone to participate in this community, then you need friends.
Instead of dumping your awesome phone, dump the "childish community" and leave your phone the way it is.
I mean you're a senior moderator. We could actually use your abilities to help moderate this ridiculous kid zone and clean it up.
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I'm actually a retired senior moderator. I have absolutely no powers on this site anymore. I did pm MikeChannon requesting he reinstate me to this forum only in an attempt to help straighten it up so you're both right and wrong in that regard.
As far as buying a phone just to participate in a community, you're completely wrong about that. Every single phone I have owned since my first Motorola Razr has been a touch screen HTC device and I've been an active member of XDA for almost as long.
I also have no desire to get rid of my Amaze. I simply said that since I'm thoroughly addicted to XDA, I would almost rather have a sensation where there seems to be far less drama.
You see.. I'm a grown man with a wife and daughter. I'm an auto mechanic at a respectable car dealership and I have no desire to sift through 20 pages of useless threads and posts just to read a handful of useless, practical posts.
If Mike decides to reinstate me, you have my word that you will start to notice a big difference around here.
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that would be nice to have a mod around here. and ok... im just looking to get an amaze as cheap as possible
dharvey4651 said:
I suppose the title says it all..
I know that the Amaze is lacking in development compared to devices such as the Sensation but there is so much drama here in the Amaze forums... It's kind of ridiculous.
I'm honestly considering buying an HTC Sensation just to get away from the drama here in the Amaze forum.
I really do believe that, though there are exceptions, this entire forum is full of a bunch of spoiled kids who wouldn't even have this device if it weren't for Mommy and Daddy.
Flaming and *****ing and generally behaving like children.
Alright folks.. Lets see how bad I get ripped open for this one..
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Im jumping ship to the one s asap. I cant stand to look at all these damn repeat forms! Plus this phone does carry a lot of drama.
ziggy46 said:
that would be nice to have a mod around here. and ok... im just looking to get an amaze as cheap as possible
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So you're saying there isn't a mod around here? I've posted plenty of warnings lately. :banghead:
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dharvey4651 said:
I'm actually a retired senior moderator. I have absolutely no powers on this site anymore. I did pm MikeChannon requesting he reinstate me to this forum only in an attempt to help straighten it up so you're both right and wrong in that regard.
As far as buying a phone just to participate in a community, you're completely wrong about that. Every single phone I have owned since my first Motorola Razr has been a touch screen HTC device and I've been an active member of XDA for almost as long.
I also have no desire to get rid of my Amaze. I simply said that since I'm thoroughly addicted to XDA, I would almost rather have a sensation where there seems to be far less drama.
You see.. I'm a grown man with a wife and daughter. I'm an auto mechanic at a respectable car dealership and I have no desire to sift through 20 pages of useless threads and posts just to read a handful of useless, practical posts.
If Mike decides to reinstate me, you have my word that you will start to notice a big difference around here.
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I'm with u on the BS here... but it wasn't this bad when Binary was here. So it can be fixed if we can get the right guy here to clean it up... aka babysit. Thanks
PS I'm also a 27 year old married man with a 9yr old son and a full time job. Also have an addiction to my phone, tablet, and gadgets... xda is just one outlet to feed the addiction
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wardfan220 said:
So you're saying there isn't a mod around here? I've posted plenty of warnings lately. :banghead:
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With all do respect wardfan, and I personally appreciate your donated time, but the Amaze forum is as cluttered and messy as I've ever seen. Its been getting worse over the last month...... 12 ICS threads... none with ICS... ya know what I mean?
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wardfan220 said:
So you're saying there isn't a mod around here? I've posted plenty of warnings lately. :banghead:
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sorry didnt see that you were a moderator... (the xda moderator tags should be bolder... so that you guys stick out)
glacierguy said:
With all do respect wardfan, and I personally appreciate your donated time, but the Amaze forum is as cluttered and messy as I've ever seen. Its been getting worse over the last month...... 12 ICS threads... none with ICS... ya know what I mean?
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You've said 12 ics threads plenty of times before, but I don't see them, either I'm blind or there's actually a lot less than that. But it's not just the mods job, it also takes plenty of help from the members for reporting things, since we can't be on all the time.
Anyways, back on topic, if you like the phone, which I know nothing about, I'd stick with it even with the childish behaviors lately. It sounds like some good stuff is going to start happening really soon.
dharvey4651 said:
I suppose the title says it all..
I know that the Amaze is lacking in development compared to devices such as the Sensation but there is so much drama here in the Amaze forums... It's kind of ridiculous.
I'm honestly considering buying an HTC Sensation just to get away from the drama here in the Amaze forum.
I really do believe that, though there are exceptions, this entire forum is full of a bunch of spoiled kids who wouldn't even have this device if it weren't for Mommy and Daddy.
Flaming and *****ing and generally behaving like children.
Alright folks.. Lets see how bad I get ripped open for this one..
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its no better in any forum
HTC Sensation Virtuous 4.0 ICS goodness.
wardfan220 said:
So you're saying there isn't a mod around here? I've posted plenty of warnings lately. :banghead:
Sent from my HTC EVO 3D via Tapatalk 2.
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I don't think that's exactly what he meant.
I'm sure you'll admit that it would be nice to have a partner to help maintain the Amaze forums. Who knows.. If Mike decides to reinstate all of my responsibilities as a Senior Mod, I can be of GREAT assistance to you. I know how to do all kinds of weird things.
I was the first person(that I know of) to figure out how to change the date stamp on any post. I actually changed the date stamp of the OP of one of my own threads in the HD2 forum by more than 2 years, predating the device.
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I don't think that's exactly what he meant.
I'm sure you'll admit that it would be nice to have a partner to help maintain the Amaze forums. Who knows.. If Mike decides to reinstate all of my responsibilities as a Senior Mod, I can be of GREAT assistance to you. I know how to do all kinds of weird things.
I was the first person(that I know of) to figure out how to change the date stamp on any post. I actually changed the date stamp of the OP of one of my own threads in the HD2 forum by more than 2 years, predating the device.
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I think I know what you meant, and there is a co-mod that does his own here. I think that I'm just a little to nice and let too much slide. The funny thing, when I did get stern people got crazy about it. So do you want a nice mod or a stern one, it doesn't seem to be enough for this forum either way
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So do you want a nice mod or a stern one, it doesn't seem to be enough for this forum either way
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I believe you need one of each. Having one nicer, understanding mod and then also a NO-BS mod who doesn't give too many chances.
I was the latter of the 2. I don't know if you are familiar with the HD2 fora or not but I am responsible for the restructure it received a while back. You have NO IDEA how many temp-perm bans I had to fork out both during and after that restructure with all the warez and new users we had come in. That forum was a real mess. I was the NO-BS mod that whipped it back into shape.
I'm just saying that even though you may very well be a great moderator(sorry I don't watch much these days) and your partner as well, it never hurts to have a 3rd set of eyes helping out.
Anyways...
You can really close this thread I suppose. I was just venting I guess.. Wanted to see if I was alone in my frustrations or not..
if anything I thought the "drama" only adds to the fun of the forums
i dont see how it affects what device you wold want to own.
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You've said 12 ics threads plenty of times before, but I don't see them, either I'm blind or there's actually a lot less than that. But it's not just the mods job, it also takes plenty of help from the members for reporting things, since we can't be on all the time.
Anyways, back on topic, if you like the phone, which I know nothing about, I'd stick with it even with the childish behaviors lately. It sounds like some good stuff is going to start happening really soon.
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I just reported 6 that have been commented on in the last 7 days... lol I labeled them ics1-ics6 for Wardfan in the report box. I would have copied and pasted all 12 but my laptop screen is junked and I'm just on my thrive tablet now. That also doesn't include 3 dev requests (2 from same guy) on what we all want in a ROM or the Amaze vs Sensation/sgs2/bb/etc... I hope that's sufficient
Edit.. I see some changes being made and THANK YOU from me at least..
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I just spoke to sprint costumer service and they did infact told me that htc evo 3d is not getting ics. I also asked if we would be able to get an erly upgrade becouse of this and they said no. They also told me that if you get a new htc evo 4g lte or samsung galaxy s3 insurance will increase to 11 dollars and 99 cents a month. Deductable also increases to 200 dollars for this phones. By the way i got s-off 1.50 using the wire trick very easy i just thoght you should know.
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I just spoke to sprint costumer service and they did infact told me that htc evo 3d is not getting ics. I also asked if we would be able to get an erly upgrade becouse of this and they said no. They also told me that if you get a new htc evo 4g lte or samsung galaxy s3 insurance will increase to 11 dollars and 99 cents a month. Deductable also increases to 200 dollars for this phones. By the way i got s-off 1.50 using the wire trick very easy i just thoght you should know.
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i'll believe it ... when .. I see it?
thanks for the warning. but what sprint customer service knows changes every time u talk to someone at sprint.
Arceo85 said:
I just spoke to sprint costumer service and they did infact told me that htc evo 3d is not getting ics. I also asked if we would be able to get an erly upgrade becouse of this and they said no. They also told me that if you get a new htc evo 4g lte or samsung galaxy s3 insurance will increase to 11 dollars and 99 cents a month. Deductable also increases to 200 dollars for this phones. By the way i got s-off 1.50 using the wire trick very easy i just thoght you should know.
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Hey look another crap post about ics
Every thing you just said is junk. The deductable won't double the phone is the same price.
Also the 3D is definitely getting ics.
Also no Sprint rep really knows much about the updates ever
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In before the lock. This guy must've talked with a rookie.
What did the soup Nazis used to say on Seinfeld:
"NO SOUP FOR YOU"
Haha. I think if I were a Sprint customer service rep, it would be fun to mess with people calling up all the time asking when they were going to get the upgrade.
xblackvalorx said:
Hey look another crap post about ics
Every thing you just said is junk. The deductable won't double the phone is the same price.
Also the 3D is definitely getting ics.
Also no Sprint rep really knows much about the updates ever
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Hey man, a lil hostile there eh?
1) how do you know for certain Sprint will release ICS for the EVO 3D? Do you have a contact in Sprint? If so, pic or your lying out your ass.
2) I like how you shot down his notion that the price will increase. When has prices in this economy ever decreased or stayed the same (especially in the telecom business!). I feel you just want to start beef with OP.
3) Now lets see...this is a forum about phones, and specifically in this section we are talking about general EVO 3D subjects. Since our phone is indeed able to run ICS, what's the problem about talking about the official update in the forum? Its not like this subject is way off topic, its regarding a much anticipated update for our phones. Stop being a Negative Nancy, get off your high horse, and say something positive.
I may have not been around during the Hero days but I was around during the OG EVO incarnation (I still remember toastcfh's God Mode). I feel XDA been getting more hostile by the day and its sad to see such a good community get tainted by negative nancys.
akiradavis said:
Hey man, a lil hostile there eh?
1) how do you know for certain Sprint will release ICS for the EVO 3D? Do you have a contact in Sprint? If so, pic or your lying out your ass.
2) I like how you shot down his notion that the price will increase. When has prices in this economy ever decreased or stayed the same (especially in the telecom business!). I feel you just want to start beef with OP.
3) Now lets see...this is a forum about phones, and specifically in this section we are talking about general EVO 3D subjects. Since our phone is indeed able to run ICS, what's the problem about talking about the official update in the forum? Its not like this subject is way off topic, its regarding a much anticipated update for our phones. Stop being a Negative Nancy, get off your high horse, and say something positive.
I may have not been around during the Hero days but I was around during the OG EVO incarnation (I still remember toastcfh's God Mode). I feel XDA been getting more hostile by the day and its sad to see such a good community get tainted by negative nancys.
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These posts are old and just misguide people.
And no I have no inside source. But wanna bet me ics won't make it to the 3D?
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Guys if you disagree with a post just ignore it. Flaming back only encourages useless posts like these and I guarantee you the mods have better threads to moderate then another ICS update thread full of crap.
E=MC420
Maybe it feels hostile because of the redundant **** that keeps getting posted. Or how about the continuous negative feedback that people post that the EVO 3D isn't getting this, or it can't do that, or that this new phone is better.
I know I get irritated when I constantly see posts like that.
Not saying yours is, but that's the feeling I've been getting when I sit down and try to catch up on my forum when I'm finally off work.
Personally, I'd rather see threads that talk about what my phone can do, not what it can't. Don't know about others, but I have this phone for another year. Not trying to constantly read about my phone's deficiencies.
akiradavis said:
Hey man, a lil hostile there eh?
1) how do you know for certain Sprint will release ICS for the EVO 3D? Do you have a contact in Sprint? If so, pic or your lying out your ass.
2) I like how you shot down his notion that the price will increase. When has prices in this economy ever decreased or stayed the same (especially in the telecom business!). I feel you just want to start beef with OP.
3) Now lets see...this is a forum about phones, and specifically in this section we are talking about general EVO 3D subjects. Since our phone is indeed able to run ICS, what's the problem about talking about the official update in the forum? Its not like this subject is way off topic, its regarding a much anticipated update for our phones. Stop being a Negative Nancy, get off your high horse, and say something positive.
I may have not been around during the Hero days but I was around during the OG EVO incarnation (I still remember toastcfh's God Mode). I feel XDA been getting more hostile by the day and its sad to see such a good community get tainted by negative nancys.
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First of all, the only definitive answer to this is that a person who is higher up in the food chain (Sprint Executive John Tudhope VP of Product David Owens) did slip out that it would be coming in mid-June. This was on Engadget. Granted, it's still not here, but this could've been misinterpreted by him to mean mid-July. The fact is, Sprint stands to lose A LOT if they don't release this update. Why it's taking so long, no one really knows.
Second, you're right in the fact that the increase is imminent. They even state when you buy the phone, and you must agree to it, that the insurance and deductible do go up for the phone.
Third, while this may be the place to talk about it, creating ANOTHER thread about a date where there still isn't ICS for the EVO 3D isn't exactly the way to go about it. I understand the frustration from many people about cluttered forums. This probably isn't a necessary thread. This should have, instead, been posted HERE.
I mean look at the title and its enough. No ics for evo and a date
Like he's Sprints ceo announcing it? Every one is aware that no one has any real clue when we're getting it. But it's about ninety percent sure we are.
Kthxbye another thread on the subject is never needed again, but we'll have three within the hour.
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First of all, the only definitive answer to this is that a person who is higher up in the food chain (Sprint Executive John Tudhope) did slip out that it would be coming in mid-June. This was on Engadget. Granted, it's still not here, but this could've been misinterpreted by him to mean mid-July. The fact is, Sprint stands to lose A LOT if they don't release this update. Why it's taking so long, no one really knows.
Second, you're right in the fact that the increase is imminent. They even state when you buy the phone, and you must agree to it, that the insurance and deductible do go up for the phone.
Third, while this may be the place to talk about it, creating ANOTHER thread about a date where there still isn't ICS for the EVO 3D isn't exactly the way to go about it. I understand the frustration from many people about cluttered forums. This probably isn't a necessary thread. This should have, instead, been posted HERE.
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Sprint isn't going to lose anything by not releasing the update.. what do you think they are going to lose?
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Fact is HTC has already put out ICS. Therefore they have to provide source and will for it. We don't need the official Sprint update. Just source. When that happens you'll see. Doesn't matter what Sprint does now at this point. We need kernel source which they have yet to provide but will and have to.
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Sprint isn't going to lose anything by not releasing the update.. what do you think they are going to lose?
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Educate yourself.
Both Sprint and HTC are listed there. And to top it off, with an Executive (My apologies, this was actually David Owens, VP of Product that stated this) saying on a very well-known blog (on a video none-the-less), that the update is coming, I think that's a lot to look out for.
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i'll believe it ... when .. I see it?
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How will you see it, if they don't do it??
Having been very satisfied with using MeanRom Gingerbread on my Evo 3D, I didn't know if I would like moving to ICS, but now I absolutely love it. After all, I could get nearly 2 days out of my battery with the cpu tweaks available for the GB ROMs, which are not available for ICS kernels yet.
That being said, from what I have been reading, it is a safe bet that your Evo3D will never see an OTA update from Sprint, and if you want ICS, you're gonna need to root your phone.
After being so impressed with MeanRom (GB), I decided to tryout the MeanRom ICS version, but the battery life is really not very good, and the phone seemed to lag terribly at times. I was holding out hope this would be improved, but considering the developer has recently purchased a Evo 4G LTE, I think he is moving on, and I have given up hope on this ROM. I considered going back to GB, but decided to try two other ICS ROMs that I really like. They are lightning quick, and have excellent battery life. First is Cool ICS, which has built in Beats Audio, and makes a surprising difference via Bluetooth to a Bose Soundlink (which is awesome, by the way).
The other ROM that I am fond of, but seems to be lacking a few features is the NegaLite BluRom ICS. I wanted to send a request to the developer, but unfortunately, I am unable to do so until I get 10 posts, so I guess this is why you had to see me ramble away on this reply.
Its getting mighty chilly in here.
Me thinks the zero tolerance rules are about to kick in.
I usually optimistic regarding updates, especially with Sprint (HTC is ok, i feel someone in HTC is the source of our VM leak in the first place). However recently I've been feeling this phone is slowly becoming a bastard child for HTC/Sprint. They want to forget how they weren't able to hit their sales mark with this device and they are looking towards the future (One Series).
In a business sense, ICS will not give Sprint their ROI if they were to spend time delivering it as an OTA. They will rather allocate their limited man-power to supplement their latest and greatest devices. Sadly, its just business, and there's nothing we can do about it since we're sadly slaves to the Tele-gods.
Personally, now that I know I love rooting/hacking/modifying my phone, I know my next purchase will be a Nexus device that will bypass Telecoms entirely.
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I've been doing some searches regarding that 18-month upgrade cycle Google mentioned last year in their I/O conference. Sadly it was a hollow promise:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...nt-get-an-upgrade-to-ice-cream-sandwich/17295
Again we don't need Sprints update. Just HTC's source which they will provide. This is all useless.
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Can we please get this worthless thread closed. On top of everything else that has been said, I do not believe that any of this information came from CS but from the OP's mind. This is nothing but a classic troll thread......
This is absolutely RIDICULOUS, we have been waiting for an entire month for the 1.22 source code but the galaxy note 10.1 has source already AND THE DEVICE DOESN'T COME OUT FOR A FEW MORE WEEKS!!!!! IS IT REALLY THAT HARD FOR HTC TO UPLOAD A 100MB FILE FOR USE TO USE??? It bugs the hell out of me just how little HTC cares about releasing this stuff...
Souce link: http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...te-10-1-kernel-source-weeks-ahead-of-release/
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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exactly! and ive been tempted to get samsung phones after seeing the s2 and s3 but with all the word about their phones being kinda shotty when it comes to build quality i always end up staying htc... its a vicious circle where you can't win
Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
this is the last htc phone im getting
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Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
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or they will release it as soon as they update us to the new update the the one x got
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this is the last htc phone im getting
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i think im going to have to join you on this
This is my first HTC phone... I come from mostly samsung. I will not be getting another htc until they step us... The phone build quality is great but all my phones live in otter cases so that does not matter....
I think I'm going to nexus next.... I like flashing to much for this crap...
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I agree. Really frustrating!
Every time I pose the question on their Facebook it gets deleted almost immediately.
I really don't understand what is going on with HTC these days. They used to be much more responsive to this kind of stuff.
I'm just not sure what to do about it.
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upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d).
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I'm pretty sure that the heavy delay on the ics upgrade for the EVO 3d was on sprints end...especially since the virgin mobile variant received its upgrade quite a bit sooner...but I do wish they'd release source sooner it is annoying but hey I love their devices so I'll stick it out for a while and see if things get better lol
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I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
I will never go Samsung
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I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
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Agreed gps can be a bear with Samsung. Also in almost every modem update its like the first modem they did ever. Better connection, lower battery. Next version bad connection, good battery, rinse, repeat.
Oh and as I have said before. Still waiting on evo 4g 4.67 ota kernel source. Well over gpl time. Now they don't even respond to my requests, at least they used to, until I advised them of the dates... And I'm sorry, 5.07 ota, doesn't qualify as reseting the clock,.
There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
I'd rather put my nuts in a vice than buy a Samsung phone. We have custom kernels that work with the latest ota anyway. HTC for life!
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There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
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no i bought this phone because i had the original evo 4g and loved it more than any other phone, then when i saw this phone i knew i had to get it. i love this phones build quality and the hardware in it but its b.s. that htc will not release source. i don't even care about aosp since sense 4 actually seems like something useful and not crazy bloated like sense 2.0+ i just want some kernels to run on sense so we can get some proper fixings going on instead of modifying the hell out of the old base's source and using every work around in the book to get them to function properly. not to say that the kernels we are starting to see are bad. and the saying "oh should have got a nexus" is bullsh*t if i wanted one i would have got one, but instead i wanted the evo lte and its more up to date and better hardware. if i wanted an already outdated phone i would have just stuck with my original evo. the point is, no matter what phone you buy you SHOULD be able to do what you want with it and you SHOULD be givin the proper code to do it with. and since htc is failing to do this, it is the reason there is a new thread every week complaining about it and they have a damn good reason to do so because this is ridiculous. so if you don't like the threads then tough sh*t because your going to keep seeing them till it drops and it will happen again with the next update. get used to it
Edit: and you can't honestly sit there and say that this isn't completely unnecessary. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE SOURCE READY, all they have to do is upload it within a day or 2 of an ota like samsung and people would be happy. and what do they have to lose by releasing it? they already got our money when we bought the phone so what do they care what we do with it?
now lets stop this here, we don't need another thread of keyboard warriors
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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Yeah, that^.
PsiPhiDan said:
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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I agree with you for the most part.
What I disagree on is Sense NOT being toned down and less obtrusive. Sense 4.0 is much better than Sense 3.0 was. It's much smoother, it looks better, and keeps the functionality it needs while not being too bloated like previous versions of Sense were.
What drags the Sense experience down is the memory management, which is lacking. I would argue that is less of an issue with Sense and more of an issue of optimization of memory. I for one never had Sense reloads when I was stock, but then again I was never running a ton of apps at once. All HTC has to do is make the memory management less aggressive and we wouldn't have nearly as many problems.
Sense DOES utilize this phone's hardware very well, and you can see that in how smooth everything is. We just need that memory management worked on. If we had more RAM in the phone it would be PERFECT.
I still don't understand the RAM argument. We aren't even that close to maxing our RAM, so why do we need more? I've been told by people much more informed than me about Android that it utilizes RAM differently than Windows, so 100MB free is no different than 1.1 GB free. I agree with you that the memory management is at fault here, but I think that's the end of the story.
Edit: TouchWiz is much smoother than Sense, and many people had many Sense reloads while stock... I'm not sure I care for Sense 4.0 much more than I did 3.0, especially considering the fake multi-tasking.
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okay guys heres a thought....how about instead of turning on each other, and starting the talk of "ill never own an HTC again" crap, you do something productive and start a movement against HTC proactively to be loud about them being lazy on releasing source code?....Leaving HTC isn't going to fix the issue at hand, as they wont see the effect in their sales #'s by the few in the dev community leaving to make them give a F....What they will do is react to a giant community outcry over a pressing issue on slow source release! They did it with the locked bootloaders so another push for source might make them change their ways...
Just saying, threads saying "this is my last htc device b/c they are slow are releasing source..." are silly and pointless....
Do something to make a change and start a vocal complaint movement instead of just sitting here and complaining/whining about it on xda!