It seems that HTC Home likes to kill the RAM on our Titans. At first I thought it was bs but after trying a few different versions I found it to be kinda true. So in all of my investigation I've come across a version that don't kill my RAM, 2.0.814.722. This is a customized version I made and it will have to be cooked in unless you want to make a cab of it.
I accidentally posted this in the other section. So if you come across it and start shaking your head because I'm an idiot, just know I'm shaking mine aswell.
You say it is customized, can we get a screenshot?
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It seems that HTC Home likes to kill the RAM on our Titans. At first I thought it was bs but after trying a few different versions I found it to be kinda true. So in all of my investigation I've come across a version that don't kill my RAM, 2.0.814.722. This is a customized version I made and it will have to be cooked in unless you want to make a cab of it.
I accidentally posted this in the other section. So if you come across it and start shaking your head because I'm an idiot, just know I'm shaking mine aswell.
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That would be the best thing ever! Going to try it right now. Thanks a lot for your work lllboredlll!
lllboredlll said:
It seems that HTC Home likes to kill the RAM on our Titans. At first I thought it was bs but after trying a few different versions I found it to be kinda true. So in all of my investigation I've come across a version that don't kill my RAM, 2.0.814.722. This is a customized version I made and it will have to be cooked in unless you want to make a cab of it.
I accidentally posted this in the other section. So if you come across it and start shaking your head because I'm an idiot, just know I'm shaking mine aswell.
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Can you post some more information about your research?
I'm currently using 2.1, and its been pretty stable as far as memory goes. Have you used an app like Task Manager to see how much memory is actually going to that process?
And what is "customized" about this? If you've found something the rest of the titan community didn't know about, you should share your info!
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Can you post some more information about your research?
I'm currently using 2.1, and its been pretty stable as far as memory goes. Have you used an app like Task Manager to see how much memory is actually going to that process?
And what is "customized" about this? If you've found something the rest of the titan community didn't know about, you should share your info!
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No I really havent crunched numbers, mostly due to the difference being so noticeable. I run DCD 3.0.1 and all the other HTC Home version I ran dwindled my RAM down to anything from 15mb to 8mb. This version seems to hold at no less than 17mb after a full day(24hrs or more) with no soft reset or Oxios Memory being run. Once I decided to use this version I use Oxios periodically to free up ram and I'm constantly between 17 and 20 mb free. Now keep in mind that these numbers are with HTC Home running and Wisbar 3.0 along with plenty of phone calls and text messages. Not bad in my opinion......could be a hell of alot worse.
I've tried a few different ROM's from different authors and the affects are pretty much the same across the board.
Your other answers: Call me stupid but I can't seen to find anything in my processes that shows HTC Home. When I disable it the difference in my shell32.exe is .6mb (go from 3.6 to 3.0)
The standard version is black bg, this is transparent and has the vogue icons but as you know all the images can be easily changed out to your liking.
I think people want to see some screens, and know how you "customized" it...
good work bored, thanks!
definitely look forward to putting on my apron for this one
can someone make a .cab out of it for the less experienced users?
I have a cab for this version. I've been using it since I got my phone, it works pretty well.
So far things are running well. Only changes I noticed are the time numbers are a light shade of blue, the Sound phone icons are changed to a black color. Look in the file and take a look at the .png files to see the changed icons.
Not sure what else was changed, but things are humming along.
That was the customizations I was mentioning. It was mearly a image customization.
I've had great luck with v2.1.1005.722
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Isn't that the one offered in PPCKitchen? If so, I didn't have much success with it when I tested that kitchen. My RAM crapped out pretty quik. It could have been some other issue and not HTC Home. Either way I was back to DCD within hours I planned on that anyway so it wasn't much of a let down.
I've just had it as a .cab for a few months now. I'ved used it on dozens of custom ROM's and a few official ones and never had a problem. Maybe as a base for a kitchen something was getting messed up
I have installed the Kaiser Version of HTC Home and I am currently running the NEW Final Version of HTC Home ( who knows since HTC HOME 2.0 "Manilla" Came out) and I havent had memory leaks.
When you install it for sure it will take a couple MB's of memory, but I have noticed that If you disable the Favorite people tab and reboot you will see way more RAM available at boot.
This might be a reason along with the Weather tap on how HTC HOME consumes alot of memory.
Overall I am running all the tabs because I got plenty of RAM to use I especially use the weather tab.
do u have a cab for the 'new final version u run?'
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I have installed the Kaiser Version of HTC Home and I am currently running the NEW Final Version of HTC Home ( who knows since HTC HOME 2.0 "Manilla" Came out) and I havent had memory leaks.
When you install it for sure it will take a couple MB's of memory, but I have noticed that If you disable the Favorite people tab and reboot you will see way more RAM available at boot.
This might be a reason along with the Weather tap on how HTC HOME consumes alot of memory.
Overall I am running all the tabs because I got plenty of RAM to use I especially use the weather tab.
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do u have a cab for the 'new final version u run?'
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This is the HTC HOME Plugin I use
http://www.pocketemu.com/downloads20.html
and this is the HTC HOME Customizer (Final) I use
http://www.pocketemu.com/downloads18.html
They both work great for me (especially the weather patched version of HTC HOME Plugin to add local weather)
so, i have been using this for 24 hours, and I'll be darned.. it's not chewing up my memory yet...
What sort of memory do you have free? The one I've been using, not sure which version, I have 19.50 megs free as reported by the memory app in the settings area, with x-button showing no running apps except top battery showing in the task manager. I'm using DCD's latest Telus version rom.
I get 23 on boot and 19 to 21 running, meaning after a few hours of call's, text's and such.
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Figured I would start this thread as dcd made the request. Not sure if it'll be used at all, but at least it's here. Let's keep his thread on topic.
good idea.
SO i have been working with Home and so far, when disabling the tabs one at a time, the memory leak still happens. so much so that after an hour i will have a frozen phone. I did notice that when i disabled the favorite person tab, the memory leaked slower, but it still did. I also tried older versions becasue i thought maybe version 2.1 was the prblem. nope, still happened.
I'm currently using HTC Home, latest version from the PPCGeeks OEM used in Dogguy's kitchen with dcd 2.2.3 on vzw. My leak isn't that bad, it still leaks, but it's not draining it down to nothing. Not sure if it's just a fluke or what, but I'm happy so far and it's liveable.
Edit: I'm using ONLY the home, weather, and profile tabs.
I am on the DCD 2.2.3 WM6.1 and HTC Home with the extra button plug in. My memory is terrible! After a soft reset I'm on about 18megs of ram. After half day use I'm down to about 10-13megs. Even after ending all tasks and running Oxios I only get back about 16ish.
Although ram numbers appear to be very low, the phone still seems faster than when I ran the DCD 3.17 beta.
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I am on the DCD 2.2.3 WM6.1 and HTC Home with the extra button plug in. My memory is terrible! After a soft reset I'm on about 18megs of ram. After half day use I'm down to about 10-13megs. Even after ending all tasks and running Oxios I only get back about 16ish.
Although ram numbers appear to be very low, the phone still seems faster than when I ran the DCD 3.17 beta.
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I have the same issue. It looks great after a reboot, but by the end of the day my memory is low. I have been using the HTC plugin. Are we sure that is what causes it? I have heard others say that PIE causes part of it, but I never really tested where the memory is going. Chad
I dont ever use PIE (i use opera mini), and i still have a pretty bad leak.. so im pretty sure its htc home
Is there any other alternative beside HTC Home?
pointui and pocket plus
Pocket Plus's small icons are a eye sore for me. I love the big icons that HTC home has. Pointui, never used it, but it seems that you cannot really customize it very well. Anyone try anything else?
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pointui and pocket plus
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Neither of those is a good replacement for HTC Home. You might try HTC plus though.
Yeah, I have the same issue. dcd's latest rom + HTC home = memory leak. for me, I start off after a soft reset with about 45% free ram, about 18 or 19MB. By the end of the day, it's down to about 11 or 12MB free, or about 28%.
Device still seems snappy, but I'm not running anything else on my today screen except tasks, and I use HTC task manager to close programs when I hit X.
Point UI leaks even worse.. especially in conjunction with Opera it seems.. I can wipe out 14 megs of memory after checking my mail running those 2...
pocket plus doesnt have small icons for me and pointui doesnt leak at all for meway better then htc home
I installed the Sprint ROM 3.16 and the memory leak is no longer there. Either I lucked out with reinstalling the ROM or the leak is related to the DCD rom
I have been trying Wisebar3 and Wisebar Desktop, but they both take up a log of mem. I was then trying out RLToday. I found some nice themes, but none really come close to the HTC Home. One thing nice about the RLToday is that it takes little memory. I really like HTC Home, but it just bugs me that I have to reboot the phone every other day to get the memory back. I would like to find a better replacement. Chad
Bumping this to the top because I am interested in this subject.
I dont think it has anything to do with the home. I dont even use the home and i get a bad leak. it goes down to like 10 megs after not even 10 mins and when i look to see where most of it is going i still cant see. Its like running in the background. and cant be seen
I have noticed the same leak , I am running verizon factory rom and no matter what today screan I use I have the memory leak, which I believe is a today screan leak. I have used SPD plus and mobile , and HTC which I am running now they all have caused a leak but not it seems the htc home isnt that bad. Im hoping when a offical rom update is released that is is taken care of.
I have tried DCD roms and I still had some issues with it
Yeah after trying out SEVERAL different today themes I've come to the conclusion that the major memory leak resides somewhere in windows mobile 6.1.
HTCHome does have a small leak itself, but I've come to terms with it and use it anyway and my phone is fine. I have the task manager and Oxios Hibernate (frees memory) on my launcher and use them all the time. I soft reset the phone usually once a day and it's fine.
I've tried PointUI, Wisbar, RLtoday, and HTC Plus and the major leak (the one that drops it down to > 8 mb) occurs anyway.
I'm hoping that when the final product gets released by microsoft/htc/verizon/sprint, the leak is somewhat fixed. Until then I'll be using HTCHome.
What is HTC Home? Does anyone have any screenshots? Whats the difference between home and plus?
32M at boot I am running numerous apps and no problems......smooth and fast......I had 7 apps open at once and it ran them no problem....Skyfire, messaging, etc.......I have TL loaded and still sit at 25-26M....this is by far the best ROM I have run and it is not finished yet.....the camera is not loaded until NO2Chem finishes working on it....if your looking for memory....this is for you!!!!!
is the bluetooth working on it? also, what is the link for it?
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he has a fix for bluetooth, and here is the link. you must donate to download.
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/
Sweet... I will wait till Someone finishes beta testing right now the release is only for Sprint Users and not for Verizon users.... I am looking foward when they have a verizon release.
Can you upload the newest No2chem rom, please?
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Can you upload the newest No2chem rom, please?
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lol...no....he said finals will be available for all, but beta builds for those who donate.....if you really want to try it, give him a buck. for all he has done for this device...people should really donate....
I just went up there and only see 6096-3pre1. Is that the rom you are talking about. Also,is it true these will work on Sprint only?
Donate, it is well worth it. Even if its only a small amount, it helps him out alot. and 3pre1 is the latest release. it is a very very stripped down version of wm but it works wonderfully. I can actually do stuff on my mogul now. Biggest noticable loss is no more camera, but he is working on that. IMO, best rom out there right now. Hands down. worth any penny in donations. I plan on donating more when i have the money to
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I just went up there and only see 6096-3pre1. Is that the rom you are talking about. Also,is it true these will work on Sprint only?
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works on my verizon got my internet and my vzw stuff
its an impressive beta release but no nuetools *sniffs*
just installed this. the screen switch is REALLY quick. my jawbone works nicely as well.
gmaps/voice command are fast too.
I have Mogul/2.47/3.42.50 & 2.04_003 w/ 60711
I donated, downloaded, and flashed. It's got a lot of memory available, but it's still buggy.
I went back to dcd 3.2.6, which also has good memory and is much less buggy with a working camera.
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I donated, downloaded, and flashed. It's got a lot of memory available, but it's still buggy.
I went back to dcd 3.2.6, which also has good memory and is much less buggy with a working camera.
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Can you elaborate as to what exactly was buggy?
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I donated, downloaded, and flashed. It's got a lot of memory available, but it's still buggy.
I went back to dcd 3.2.6, which also has good memory and is much less buggy with a working camera.
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What is buggy? I have mine loaded up with apps and have no issues at all...I had a scrolling issue where it kept scrolling on its own once....that was I first installed everything which was much earlier in the day.....been running 8-10 hours with no more issues at all.....
I flashed preview 1 last night, pulled out battery, put it back in, loaded my apps, and it ran like sh*t all day today. Great memory but very slow, buggy, half of my programs didn't work, and the battery life was terrible.
Since everyone else seemed to be having a grand time with it, I figured it was my error, and of course it was.
All it took was another hard reset, reinstall, now it runs like a charm
I've always heard people talk about these complex post-flashing rituals, but I figured it wasn't necessary. Well i guess it is a good idea to pull the battery, AND hard reset after a flash after all.
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What is buggy? I have mine loaded up with apps and have no issues at all...I had a scrolling issue where it kept scrolling on its own once....that was I first installed everything which was much earlier in the day.....been running 8-10 hours with no more issues at all.....
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The on-screen keyboard is buggy, you can't see the bottom row of characters.
I think enlarge start menu caused some problems with weirdness in the start menu.
I'm not a fan of the stock dialer, and when I tried to cab install the vogue dialer, the icon for call history was transparent to the today screen.
It seemed to run slower than dcd's rom after I added all my usual programs, even though I had more ram available.
I did not build from the kitchen, just added cabs to the pre-build, so maybe a kitchen build would be more stable. It could also be some non-compatable program that added overall bugginess.
Obviously no camera is kind of a bummer, even though i don't really use the camera all that much anyways.
Overall, I'd say it's a big step forward, and is groundbreaking in some ways. However, I still feel that today, dcd 3.2.6 is overall a more solid rom.
Sprint Users Only? Not really
Per No2Chem, the flash-ready rom is for Sprint. But the kitchen allows you to choose any carrier. I built mine from the kitchen. It took a little time to figure out how to use the kitchen and I can explain if someone needs helps.
Adjust OOM...?
Does anyone know what the 2 "Adjust OOM" options do in the nueROM3 kitchen?
I tried to find answers before posting but was unsuccessful. I just figured since the kitchen and rom itself were so stripped down, that No2Chem would not have made it a point to include them if they were useless, so yesterday I just checked them both and my phone seems fine so far...
Also - I tried posting this question on http://www.nuerom.com but when I hit "save comment" it just sits there and does not actually submit my post. Maybe I'm not signed there? is the login different than the donator login?
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The on-screen keyboard is buggy, you can't see the bottom row of characters.
I think enlarge start menu caused some problems with weirdness in the start menu.
I'm not a fan of the stock dialer, and when I tried to cab install the vogue dialer, the icon for call history was transparent to the today screen.
It seemed to run slower than dcd's rom after I added all my usual programs, even though I had more ram available.
I did not build from the kitchen, just added cabs to the pre-build, so maybe a kitchen build would be more stable. It could also be some non-compatable program that added overall bugginess.
Obviously no camera is kind of a bummer, even though i don't really use the camera all that much anyways.
Overall, I'd say it's a big step forward, and is groundbreaking in some ways. However, I still feel that today, dcd 3.2.6 is overall a more solid rom.
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1...on screen keyboard issue yes...
2 I am runnning Quick menu
3 I am running the Minimal dialer with no probs...
4. In my opinion it is the fatest rom I have used outside of JD's ROM
5. I added all of my apps and regedits through SASHAMI......and added a few OEM's through NuePackage installer.....
6 Camera is an ssue but he is working on that and I knew there was no camera before flashing....I know no camera is a deal breaker for now.....
It is a pre-release but I am sure it will all be working fine when the final build is done....but mine seems to be running fine really....
I am running my setup with WAD and WA3 as startup, usually always a slow go on my titan. I boot up with 27+mb of memory. I set my pagepool at 10 when i made the rom and am very happy. pre0 was a deal breaker for me cause he didn't have working bluetooth. But now that its in the rom again, i couldn't be happier.
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Does anyone know what the 2 "Adjust OOM" options do in the nueROM3 kitchen?
I tried to find answers before posting but was unsuccessful. I just figured since the kitchen and rom itself were so stripped down, that No2Chem would not have made it a point to include them if they were useless, so yesterday I just checked them both and my phone seems fine so far...
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It has to do with the "Out Of Memory" in windows mobile. (see here http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms911907.aspx) Changing that basically adjust the way WinMo handles OOM's. By lowering the threshold, WinMo doesn't close down apps as eagerly as normal.
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I also must add that having the extra RAM makes this phone an entirely different beast for me. iGO8 and Opera Mobile 9.5 caused some issues before due to how RAM hungry they are. Now, they are not a problem. But not having the camera is kind of a bummer, and the keyboard is horrible . But I will continue testing because this has MAJOR potential
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Per No2Chem, the flash-ready rom is for Sprint. But the kitchen allows you to choose any carrier. I built mine from the kitchen. It took a little time to figure out how to use the kitchen and I can explain if someone needs helps.
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I would love to try it - please do explain or pm me!
This is the biggest disappointment yet. VZW really dropped the ball. With the missing memory the phone is nearly crippled. For those that dont know all other variants of this phone have 256 megs of RAM. The VZW version as 192. I dont even see it all and the website says 128. By default TF3D is NOT even enabled. When it is... OMG! The lag is horrendous. Free RAM on first boot can be seen in my screenshot below. 45 megs!! Woot! Great job VZW. My vouge with a custom ROM boots at 75 megs free and has no freakin lag at all. Same thing with my Titan. My Titan will run circles around this disappointment in a shiny package!
This is a SAD day for me and all VZW users.
If your on VZW and are thinking of upgraded from a XV6800 or an XV6900 DONT DO IT! Its not nearly as nimble as teh sprint version. GPS is locked right out of the box. I am so let down. Luckily two days ago I got a brand new vouge. I am packaging this back up and sending it back to VZW.
UPDATE: I did some tweaking on the stock ROM and have the device running pretty decent now. Here is what I did.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2963848&postcount=30
Here is the full thread which is very similar to this one. Maybe we should kill this thread and continue on here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450196
Onto the Pros:
I can send it back
The screen is incredible!!!!
**Sorry for the rant.
Is that 45 megs free RAM while TF3D is running?
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Is that 45 megs free RAM while TF3D is running?
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No, that is no touchflow running.
Right now I am screwing around with MemMaid to see if I can tweak this thing. Its helped a little.....
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No, that is no touchflow running.
Right now I am screwing around with MemMaid to see if I can tweak this thing. Its helped a little.....
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30.09 Megs free with TF3D running. WOW!
got 4 of the phones in today, and i've been using it since 10am this morning with TF3D enabled......
TF3D works flawlessly on all the phones, no lag whatsoever in TF3D with google maps, opera, teeter, and activesync running
Does this phone have less memory than any other Touch Pro? Yes
Does it affect the performance of the phone? No. Period.
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got 4 of the phones in today, and i've been using it since 10am this morning with TF3D enabled......
TF3D works flawlessly on all the phones, no lag whatsoever in TF3D with google maps, opera, teeter, and activesync running
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Have you ever used one of my custom ROMS? This is very laggy. Can you post your free memory?
Oh man. I don't know where anyone EVER got the idea that reducing memory on a WM device was a good thing to do.
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Have you ever used one of my custom ROMS? This is very laggy. Can you post your free memory?
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i'm using the stock rom from Verizon
if your custom rom is lagging it sounds like a personal problem
I have yet to find a cooked ROM for the Verizon TP as from what i've seen everywhere the SPL unlocker for all the other TP's does not work with the VZW one
Do your ROM's work with the VZW Touch Pro?
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i'm using the stock rom from Verizon
if your custom rom is lagging it sounds like a personal problem
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You did not read my post accurately., I asked you question. I did not say I was using a custom ROM on this phone. I am asking you if you have ever used one of my custom ROMS? IF so you woul understand why I percieve this to be so laggy. My titan is much faster than this.
Everyone on VZW is using the stock rom as of now. There is no unlocker for this crippled model. NONE. They are working on it though. Its a differnt device DI than the rest of them.
What phone are you coming from? Can you give us more info so I can gauge if this is my phone having issues?
Could you post your free memory once again please?
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Do your ROM's work with the VZW Touch Pro?
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No. Only Vouge and Titan. I cant wait to get a ROM going for this if I keep it.
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got 4 of the phones in today, and i've been using it since 10am this morning with TF3D enabled......
TF3D works flawlessly on all the phones, no lag whatsoever in TF3D with google maps, opera, teeter, and activesync running
Does this phone have less memory than any other Touch Pro? Yes
Does it affect the performance of the phone? No. Period.
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Wow. I just read teh second part of your post. WOW. Did you do any speed comparisons? I did. I sat it down with the sprint model side by side today and did basic tasks like sending text, slidgin with TF3D, etc. The VZW version with less memory was much slower.
Can you tell me what benchmarks you used to determine that the speeds were the same? I will run them as well and post my results. You seem to be shooting from the hip on this. You have no proof of what you are saying. If you could once again post your memory results on fresh boot with or without TF 3d running I would love to see. Once again I am trying to determine if my device is defective. Thats the only thing that can explain this lag.
WAIT A MINUTE.... 5 Posts.... Comes in only to say how great the phone is.,... You work for VZW dont you? Be honest.
Ok, I got this thing upto 60 megs of Free RAM without touchflow using MemMaid but thats the best i can get on the stock ROM. It helps the lag quite a bit actually.
Sorry, I misunderstood.......
I'm coming from an Apache using a helmi rom. Coming from that thing, the TP is night and day difference.
I have noticed that the phone lag's pretty bad when it is tilted horizontally, however the sprint phone i tested does the same thing. And again the TF3D is not any slower on the VZW phone than it is on the Sprint version, and i've been mukkin with this thing all day (hope my boss doesnt notice i didnt get any work done )
while running all the above in my previous post i had 22MB free
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Sorry, I misunderstood.......
I'm coming from an Apache using a helmi rom. Coming from that thing, the TP is night and day difference.
I have noticed that the phone lag's pretty bad when it is tilted horizontally, however the sprint phone i tested does the same thing. And again the TF3D is not any slower on the VZW phone than it is on the Sprint version, and i've been mukkin with this thing all day (hope my boss doesnt notice i didnt get any work done )
while running all the above in my previous post i had 22MB free
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Ok, then we both stand corrected. Thanks for the info. Apache was pretty slow device man. My Vouge is SMOKIN fast.
WE will have to agree to disagree. To you the device is worthwhile... To me the lacking memory has a huge impact. That fact that sprint boots with over 100 megs free and I am struggling to hit 60 while on my Vouge I can hit 75. I think I just need a custom ROM!
Hopefully this will be unlocked soon.
Yes, My boss came over today and said the same thing.. Said... Does that phone do your work for you too? I just lauged....
Two of my techs bought this phone as well. One on VZW and one on sprint. Another went out and bought the Samsung Something or other that was released with this one.
After another 15 minutes of use and tweaking I am starting to come around. i guess its not that bad for a STOCK Rom but I know it can do a whole lot more when its unlocked... Maybe I am partially frustrated that I cant get GPS yet other than VZ-Crapigator for $10.00 a month.
RE-read... TILTING IT CAN CAUSE IT TO LAG? Oh crap. Can we disable that motion sensor crap?
I put a vid up on my ftp to show you what TF3D is like on my phone with a bunch of apps running
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http://www.namtaru.com/uploads/2008/Files/TF3D_Demo.avi
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I put a vid up on my ftp to show you what TF3D is like on my phone with a bunch of apps running
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http://www.namtaru.com/uploads/2008/Files/TF3D_Demo.avi
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Ok dude, I take back what I said about you working for VZW> I am sorry. Just a bit fustrated. Check ing ouy the vid now but WMPlayer has no video, what codec is this in>?
i encoded it in xvid
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I put a vid up on my ftp to show you what TF3D is like on my phone with a bunch of apps running
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http://www.namtaru.com/uploads/2008/Files/TF3D_Demo.avi
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Holly ****, you wont believe this... Yours is way smoother than mine. Im not joking. This damn thing has to be defective. I will send it back. Yours is like what I expected. Mine... Oh no.. Nothing like yours....
Here is what mine is doing: Gets stuck on tabs like teh screen is dirty but its not, some tabs take twice as long as yours to open. For example, I go to weather and I have to kick back and wait for it to load.
I feared something was wrong with my phone and I think that proves it. When I go to work tomorrow I will compare it with my techs who got theres in.
Thanks again for posting this.... I may have to recant my initial statements.
Here's a decent video that shows the vzw touch pro booting (slowly), and then stalling when the user starts using TF3D. It get's better, but when the user starts playing music, you can hear skips in the music... The portrait to landscape change looks slow too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV8W...ab=nv&q=vzw TOUCH PRO&feature=player_embedded
I spent all evening yesterday and all day today and I have still yet to get a satisfactory ROM cooked up. I'm using the ppckitchen.org one. It's pretty straightforward, but I can't get free memory to save my life. I think I managed about 8-9 megs free on a WM 6.1 build and around 6 on a 6.5 build. Not real good. Every ROM gives me a "Low Mem (Camera Enabled)" error on the initial splash screen pretty much every single build I've done. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here. Even through free memory has been low, storage space has been more than adequate, I have barely dipped below 100 MB free storage.
So, yeah, props to all you wonderful ROM chefs out there for doing such a great job and sharing the love with the rest of us.
Now could someone please help me figure out what the bleep I'm doing wrong here? I would, ideally, like a ROM with lots of toys and goodies. Here is what I would like to include (some of these I initially tried loading as OEMs but have managed to track down CAB installers for them so will just do them all afterwards since I can't find a way to put stuff in the extended ROM with this kitchen). My main goal is to make this build as stylus free as possible. To that end, here is my want/need list for it. Please feel free to critique it. I've been out of the loop on this stuff for quite awhile so I'm not sure what programs are currently being recommended and there are way too many for me to try them all out personally so I'm open to suggestions.
WM 6.5
Weather on today screen (using Titanium Weather V3 currently)
Voice Command (have been using 1.6.21040 version in the kitchen but I took it out of the most recent attempt to free up RAM. It isn't critical right now but if I get another BT headset I will definitely want it.)
Sprint Navigation (we're paying for it, might as well have it unless someone knows of a better free app)
Sprint TV (not necessary but would be a plus)
Manila dialer
Finger Friendly KB of some sort (was going to install fingerkb post install)
good selection of ringones (these don't eat up program RAM do they?)
HTC Audio Manager or equivalent finger friendly music player (can the Chrome be made to use this instead of WMP) (This one is not a requirement, I don't do music much on here since I carry a Zune with me but, again, would be a plus)
Newer camera (not the version that comes on the Titan but the newer one that takes better pictures. I saw it in a ROM, not sure which one)
MusicID (post install is fine, have not seen a CAB for it though)
Java (Do I really need this, I don't really run midlets or whatever they're called?)
.net 2.0
Finger friendly browser (Opera? Firefox? are these better than the IE in WM6.5)
Streaming video player (for youtube and all the others)
Office (Excel and Word at the least)
Comm manager (is one better than the others?)
Flashlight (vjcandela or nuelight)
Selection of games (can install those from cabs too)
the new windows live stuff like the voice activated navigation. May not be any count but I want to try it.
any other useful and recommend utilities
WM 6.1
Pretty much the same as above except replace the 6.5 specific chrome stuff with Manila2D and it's configurator and the new browser is more necessary.
Like I said, though, if anyone has any advice I am all ears on this one. If I can get a properly working and stable ROM I will try to upload it for anyone else that wants it as a thank you for the help.
Hey don't quit keep going... I'm sure that the more times you try it eventually you'll get a working rom.
Thanks. I finally got up to about 11 MB with WM 6.5 by leaving Voice Command out. It's not ideal but it is a start. Need to get something to have it close programs instead of leaving them running.
Avatar28 said:
Thanks. I finally got up to about 11 MB with WM 6.5 by leaving Voice Command out. It's not ideal but it is a start. Need to get something to have it close programs instead of leaving them running.
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6.5 has nuekernel
If in low memory mode so that camera will work you loose 5-7mb.
In high memory mode you gain mb but cannot use camera.
My time to cook is coming... I can feel it...
Seems like a lot of work, but well worth it if you pull it off... Keep up your efforts!
2nd those props!
2nd those props!
So far I haven't had a lot of luck with 6.5. It seems that these phones just simply don't have enough RAM to handle it properly and give me everything I want. I guess I will have to go back to 6.1. Although, really, it probably isn't worth my time. A lot of people here at work have been complaining about their Moguls. They want their precious crackberries back (ugh!). So they're getting rid of these and swapping them out now. I'm going to wait as long as possible before I swap mine though. There's sure to be a line and, honestly, I'd just as soon keep my Mogul if I can get it stable. Otherwise I'm gonna have to come up with $350 to buy a new personal phone to feed my WiMo addiction. I can't believe AT&T has jacked up the Fuze to $350 though. Yeesh. I'm tempted to just wait until their next one comes along at this point, hopefully one that will support 6.5 officially.
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So far I haven't had a lot of luck with 6.5. It seems that these phones just simply don't have enough RAM to handle it properly and give me everything I want. I guess I will have to go back to 6.1. Although, really, it probably isn't worth my time. A lot of people here at work have been complaining about their Moguls. They want their precious crackberries back (ugh!). So they're getting rid of these and swapping them out now. I'm going to wait as long as possible before I swap mine though. There's sure to be a line and, honestly, I'd just as soon keep my Mogul if I can get it stable. Otherwise I'm gonna have to come up with $350 to buy a new personal phone to feed my WiMo addiction. I can't believe AT&T has jacked up the Fuze to $350 though. Yeesh. I'm tempted to just wait until their next one comes along at this point, hopefully one that will support 6.5 officially.
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If I read your posts correctly you have found some of the cabs for the programs you want for your build, but I saw no mention of a memory card. Have you tried building your rom and then installing the cabs to the programs you like on the memory card? Not all programs can be installed on the memory card but alot of the ones you have listed can be. I recommend at least a 2 gig. (I have a 4 gig on my phone). Just make sure its not the HC memory cards as they are not compatible with this device. Like I said Im not sure if you have already gone this route but its just a suggestion. Hope this helps.
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If I read your posts correctly you have found some of the cabs for the programs you want for your build, but I saw no mention of a memory card. Have you tried building your rom and then installing the cabs to the programs you like on the memory card? Not all programs can be installed on the memory card but alot of the ones you have listed can be. I recommend at least a 2 gig. (I have a 4 gig on my phone). Just make sure its not the HC memory cards as they are not compatible with this device. Like I said Im not sure if you have already gone this route but its just a suggestion. Hope this helps.
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I have a couple of apps that I have done that with. But, really, the problem isn't storage so much as operational RAM. I finally decided that I could either use WM 6.5 or the camera and that I would rather have 6.5. Putting the phone into high memory mode helped a lot with it, but it still quickly memory leaks down to about 12 megs free. I'm working with the chef of my current ROM over at ppckitchen trying to figure it out. I'm starting to wonder if some of these devices don't have a hardware issue that causes some people to have memory leaks or if it is possibly related to the bootloader (2.40 vs 2.47) because some people seem to have no problem with them while almost every custom ROM I have tried running seems to have a memory leak.
I always want newer and better. Last week I upgraded from dcd's 3.2.6 to 4.1.2. Much faster, better memory, speedy gps locks, and no crashes yet.
I run a few commercial medical reference programs that are a major hassle to load and activate, so it is a pain to keep flashing my phone.
Can anyone comment between how well the 6.5's work vs. dcd 4.1.2
It's a very different animal.
First and foremost, the Today Screen has been completely redone in the default Titanium screen. I'm sure you've seen it around. You can still revert back to the old Today screen with a simple setting adjustment in the Settings Menu.
Secondly, nearly everything features finger friendly scrolling. It's built in with no real need for additional items such as FTouchFLO.
Third, the start menu has been redone to make it look more contemporary. Some people like it, some don't. You can adjust it to your liking by replacing various files.
Fourth, a programmer/PPC junkie going by no2chem introduced something in his 6.1 ROMs called nueKernel which is being implemented into nearly every 6.5 ROM. It allows you to enable or disable the camera temporarily to add more available RAM. Because of this, it's possible to have more free available RAM than you've most likely seen before on the Titan. For example, my ROM (and Ryan's, and most other current 6.5 ROMs) will boot with 25+ meg free.
Fifth, please note that those are most superficial UI adjustments. They are improving things under the hood, too, to make the OS better.
Your best way to compare is by flashing. If you like 6.5, stick with it. If you don't, there are plenty of fantastic 6.1 ROMs to choose from.
if its speed what you want then stay with dcd. no 6.5 has been able to come close to dcd.
on the other hand like btonetbone said a different animal and slower no matter the tweaking.
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if its speed what you want then stay with dcd. no 6.5 has been able to come close to dcd.
on the other hand like btonetbone said a different animal and slower no matter the tweaking.
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I won't argue with this because I don't have benchmarks. DCD's ROMs are extremely fast; I used them all the up through 3.3.something and loved them.
But 6.5 isn't a hog, either. It runs very fast and snappy on my phone, and I have very little complaints regarding speed. Please don't take the above comments as saying the 6.5 ROMs are slow.
compared to dcd 6.5 is slower. i didnt say 6.5 is slow
I'll give you my opinion......... since I played with them all.
I had been running DCD 3.3.4 for 6-8 months until about a month ago when the "tinker bug" kicked in again and I had to flash and play with new ROM's.
I first went to 6.5 ROM's by RyanMogul and a few others both here and on PPCGeeks. All of them are visually stunning, but, all of them ARE slower than ROM's running 6.1
Also, for me, free memory was an issue. 6.5 simply needs more memory than 6.1 and there isn't nothing you can do about it. 6.5 ideally should be run on phones with 128MB RAM or more.
I loved 6.5 for its looks, but, I run programs like SPB Phone Suite, Pocket Weather, Palringo, and others, often simultaneously, and that just wasnt realistic with 6.5 due to low RAM availability.
So I went back to 6.1, and to good old DCD. 4.1.2 is amazing in my opinion. It has major performance and memory management improvements over his previous ROM's. It's incredibly stable, and it IS faster than any other ROM (6.1 or 6.5) I've personally tried out.
It's given my xv6800 some more life. Until the Tour comes out and I jump onto the evil Blackberry bandwagon, 4.1.2 is it for me.
I highly recommend.
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I'll give you my opinion......... since I played with them all.
I had been running DCD 3.3.4 for 6-8 months until about a month ago when the "tinker bug" kicked in again and I had to flash and play with new ROM's.
I first went to 6.5 ROM's by RyanMogul and a few others both here and on PPCGeeks. All of them are visually stunning, but, all of them ARE slower than ROM's running 6.1
Also, for me, free memory was an issue. 6.5 simply needs more memory than 6.1 and there isn't nothing you can do about it. 6.5 ideally should be run on phones with 128MB RAM or more.
I loved 6.5 for its looks, but, I run programs like SPB Phone Suite, Pocket Weather, Palringo, and others, often simultaneously, and that just wasnt realistic with 6.5 due to low RAM availability.
So I went back to 6.1, and to good old DCD. 4.1.2 is amazing in my opinion. It has major performance and memory management improvements over his previous ROM's. It's incredibly stable, and it IS faster than any other ROM (6.1 or 6.5) I've personally tried out.
It's given my xv6800 some more life. Until the Tour comes out and I jump onto the evil Blackberry bandwagon, 4.1.2 is it for me.
I highly recommend.
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Thank you for explaining that so eloquently. I think you've just convinced me to go back to 6.1 after running 6.5 for roughly a month. 6.5 is amazing and very finger friendly, but not the OS for the Titan. Just uses too much memory, no matter what. I've tried different programs to free up RAM and keep me from soft resetting 2 or 3 times a day, but none of them really work. On 6.5 I can almost never run 2 apps at once, unless they are very small. So back to good ol DCD for me. At least until I get a new device! (touch pro maybe )
Just my 2 cents
Currently I am running Mattsm 6.5 23003b and this morning I was running 4 apps and switching between them with enough memory for all of them. I was on a website, Biblegateway, had a java application open, Go Bible by Jolon Faichney, Word 6.1 and Windows Mobile 6.5 Titanium Today (this skin allows both vertical scrolling and on some panes, horizontal movement) which I was using as the switching point to jump back and forth. I have run DCD ROMs in the past and they are great ROMs but if you want to see what is possible with your Titan follow the different developers.
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Thank you for explaining that so eloquently. I think you've just convinced me to go back to 6.1 after running 6.5 for roughly a month. 6.5 is amazing and very finger friendly, but not the OS for the Titan. Just uses too much memory, no matter what. I've tried different programs to free up RAM and keep me from soft resetting 2 or 3 times a day, but none of them really work. On 6.5 I can almost never run 2 apps at once, unless they are very small. So back to good ol DCD for me. At least until I get a new device! (touch pro maybe )
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
I'd love to see Ryan prove this by releasing his "light" rom with a required cab. I bet if the rom didn't have all the the extra ring tones and addons he includes, we'd boot to more than 17.5mb I've available in his wm7 rom.
I'm glad you mentioned you can turn off the new today screen. I'm not impressed so far. But the big thing is that my GPS is working again which it never did with DCD's last release.
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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I was just thinking, DCD should change his name to Optimus Prime
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
I'd love to see Ryan prove this by releasing his "light" rom with a required cab. I bet if the CAB didn't have all the the extra ring tones and addons he includes, we'd boot to more than 17.5mb I've available in his wm7 rom.
I'm glad you mentioned you can turn off the new today screen. I'm not impressed so far. But the big thing is that my GPS is working again which it never did with DCD's last release.
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Please don't mumble about me incoherently. My ROMs do not use any CABs besides 1.1 Heavy and thats 1 out of 7 ROMs. Version 1.1 Heavy installs Google maps using a cab and M2D via Auto Customization.. Otherwise there is not a single CAB involved in the any other of my ROMs flashing and booting the first time..
The ringtones are not a CAB.. They are added ingredients used while cooking a ROM in a kitchen..
Release my ROM without the required cab...??? wtf.. lol
I know I should include less ringtones but I do the best I can. I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb pointing out any imperfection you can find to take away from its luster..
I release several versions so if you want pretty and loaded, you get that. If you want ugly and slim, you get that too. And a few things in between. Like I said I try.
I will remove some of the ringtones next time I cook and relocate several installs to make sure they stay only in the windows directory because I know what you guys mean.
Some ppl are just dicks. I'm currently running ryans 6.5 the heavy one. He did a great job since I want 6.5 on my mogul till the TP2 comes out. I turned off most of the things I don't need like the new today screen and the camera which I hardly ever use, I'm consistently at over 25mb but I mostly use my phone to get e-mails and txt.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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Hey who's this guy?? Glad to see your alive and well dcd.... Just another thanks for all you've done for the community....
dcd1182 said:
i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash. Free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in.
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Ah, that could fit with what you were saying. Man, now I wish I could find the exact quote. I'd like to better understand what you were saying with this added bit of info. I've searched for about 20 minutes with no luck.
You were responding for the 20th time to someone asking why you'd only released a ROM and one that didn't have games or something in it. I read it to say that if the ROM was smaller and people installed their req software via cabs, in general, everyone would have more free program memory. Which seemed to make sense... I just carried it a little further than you meant, and assumed then that items installed to the device later didn't affect the amount of "ram" available. sigh... I miss the days the memory slider on my old e750 that allowed me to override balance between storage memory and program memory. Anyway, thanks for the additional info.
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Please don't mumble about me incoherently. My ROMs do not use any CABs besides 1.1 Heavy and thats 1 out of 7 ROMs. Version 1.1 Heavy installs Google maps using a cab and M2D via Auto Customization.. Otherwise there is not a single CAB involved in the any other of my ROMs flashing and booting the first time..
The ringtones are not a CAB.. They are added ingredients used while cooking a ROM in a kitchen..
Release my ROM without the required cab...??? wtf.. lol
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Ryan, dude, slow down a minute and read what I actually typed.
I never said anything about your current ROMS requiring CABs nor did I say that you'd released a ROM that was a missing required CAB.
I was talking about doing an experiment, making a test build, to prove a theory about memory usage. Sometimes that's what we do, we try an idea, see if it improves the situation and drop it when it doesn't pan out. Heck, I didn't even expect you to be reading this thread. So, I certainly wouldn't have been criticizing you or your work here.
What worries me more is the "Please don't mumble about me". No one said anything against you. Even if people do say stuff about your works, don't take it as a criticism about you, personally. If you keep doing that, you'll lead a miserable life as a developer.
I know releasing no-cost software on which everyone has an opinion is difficult. But if you are so uptight, so quickly, you really should step back from reading threads for a bit. This place WILL drive you nuts if you let it, but it will happen much faster if you take everything as a judgment of your worth.
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I know I should include less ringtones but I do the best I can. I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb pointing out any imperfection you can find to take away from its luster..
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As explained above, I've never criticized a single feature of your ROM. I mentioned 17.5 free on your heavy ROM with the wm7 extras, but I consider that darn good for your heaviest ROM. I've booted under other roms to 15 something.
And as far as "I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb", well... you should.
Take all the input and critiques you can. After 20 years as a programmer I know bugs happen. I'm not perfect. Making good stuff makes me proud, but I'll tell you now that I won't ever create a perfect piece of complex software on the 1st or 10th go around. If someone points out a problem, then that is a chance for my stuff to be even better, if I decide I want to fix it.
I am now running your 6.1 light version, which I think is incredible. Your roms have resolved several issues I've had with this refurb phone I am now using. And while I am extremely impressed with the level of detail you've gone to(like the fact that you've included the right codecs/dlls for tcpmp to play wma files on 6.1), you should not be surprised that I have found a nit-picky mistake and have some suggestions for you to consider.
I'd not share them here in any case, as it is off topic to this thread, and if it will hurt your feelings or honor for me to post it anywhere, I'll keep the information to myself. At least the one suggestion, will add a missing feature to your ROM, but I'll leave it up to you.