So, ever since I upgraded to windows mobile 6.1, there is one "feature" that is driving me nuts... I haven't seen any reference to it in the forums (though it's possible I just didn't read enough of the 20+ page threads), but I'm wondering if anyone knows how to disable it.
It seems that windows mobile automatically starts closing programs when I start running low on memory. Particularly Messaging and Internet Explorer are prone to suddenly not be there anymore, but other programs do it as well.
For example, I'm reading a text message, switch to contacts to update someone's information, and then I try to switch back to the text message to verify the data and it's no longer running. I start up text messaging, and contacts has closed.
Very frustrating. I'm fairly certain it does it only when memory is very low, but I much preferred the warning "yo, idiot, you're out of memory, shut stuff down" messages to this "I'm going to close this program with no consideration to what you're doing and w/out asking" approach.
Anyone have any ideas? Maybe I'm missing something obvious?
taxilian said:
So, ever since I upgraded to windows mobile 6.1, there is one "feature" that is driving me nuts... I haven't seen any reference to it in the forums (though it's possible I just didn't read enough of the 20+ page threads), but I'm wondering if anyone knows how to disable it.
It seems that windows mobile automatically starts closing programs when I start running low on memory. Particularly Messaging and Internet Explorer are prone to suddenly not be there anymore, but other programs do it as well.
For example, I'm reading a text message, switch to contacts to update someone's information, and then I try to switch back to the text message to verify the data and it's no longer running. I start up text messaging, and contacts has closed.
Very frustrating. I'm fairly certain it does it only when memory is very low, but I much preferred the warning "yo, idiot, you're out of memory, shut stuff down" messages to this "I'm going to close this program with no consideration to what you're doing and w/out asking" approach.
Anyone have any ideas? Maybe I'm missing something obvious?
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WoW. You must be running a memory HOG program in the background to run out of memory with text messaging and the contacts program.
I have bluetooth to use with my Stereo Bluetooth head phones when I listen to Windows Media and Have the Threaded Text Messaging Software in the background running ( I text alot and I need it running in the background to initiate it faster ) all with HTC Home Plugin and I dont get any memory problems. Nothing closes out.
Do you have the X-Button program installed? The one that closes things out completely when you press the X. If so this can be the problem.
Honestly I use an Alt-Tab program to switch between programs. This helps alot.
I know exactly what you mean as far as the memory management closing applications. for example i used to be able to have tomtom running, and also audio manager playing music, however if memory is low, the management always closes audio manager. Rather annoying, i've had it do it during other programs also ie. messaging, internet explorer.
That's weird.... Possibly sending hibernate signal to programs to see if some will shut down?
I haven't noticed any apps getting closed automatically but I never try to have more than a few open at a time.
Well other then recommending that you review your installations and see if there are any memory HOG programs to remove, I also recommend using Oxios Hibernate.
Check out this website for more details.
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
I have some today plugins (like SBP diary) that may be taking part of the memory. I have to blame the memory leak for the rest... on a fresh boot I have 18 meg free, by the time I start having real problems with things shutting down left and right I only have 5 free. I use QuickMenu, which has a program similar to X-Button so that I can explicitly close programs, but I can also use it to switch tasks. In WM6 it worked fine. However, unless I reboot frequently, I end up with this problem. Some things always exhibit this problem, even right after a soft reset reset. For example, if I use PIE to view a site such as youtube and I play a video clip, PIE closes in the background while the video is playing, which is very annoying.
I know that there are things to do to try to free memory... I have hibernate, I have the task manager connected to quickmenu, but I still have this problem.
taxilian said:
I have some today plugins (like SBP diary) that may be taking part of the memory. I have to blame the memory leak for the rest... on a fresh boot I have 18 meg free, by the time I start having real problems with things shutting down left and right I only have 5 free. I use QuickMenu, which has a program similar to X-Button so that I can explicitly close programs, but I can also use it to switch tasks. In WM6 it worked fine. However, unless I reboot frequently, I end up with this problem. Some things always exhibit this problem, even right after a soft reset reset. For example, if I use PIE to view a site such as youtube and I play a video clip, PIE closes in the background while the video is playing, which is very annoying.
I know that there are things to do to try to free memory... I have hibernate, I have the task manager connected to quickmenu, but I still have this problem.
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What ROM are you using? I have DCD 2.2.0 core with others mixed in and I get about 23 to 24 MB on soft boot. That is with all of my apps installed.
It might be that the page pool on your ROM is high. If it is high it tends to speed up your device but you sacrifice memory. Are you using one of DCD's new ROM's? Because I believe his new ROM's have a higher page pool then before to cope with WM6.1.
taxilian said:
So, ever since I upgraded to windows mobile 6.1, there is one "feature" that is driving me nuts... I haven't seen any reference to it in the forums (though it's possible I just didn't read enough of the 20+ page threads), but I'm wondering if anyone knows how to disable it.
It seems that windows mobile automatically starts closing programs when I start running low on memory. Particularly Messaging and Internet Explorer are prone to suddenly not be there anymore, but other programs do it as well.
For example, I'm reading a text message, switch to contacts to update someone's information, and then I try to switch back to the text message to verify the data and it's no longer running. I start up text messaging, and contacts has closed.
Very frustrating. I'm fairly certain it does it only when memory is very low, but I much preferred the warning "yo, idiot, you're out of memory, shut stuff down" messages to this "I'm going to close this program with no consideration to what you're doing and w/out asking" approach.
Anyone have any ideas? Maybe I'm missing something obvious?
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i've heard of oxios causing this phenomena, something in the way of how it alters things when you run it. I use oxios exclusively to manage my ram, and have done so for a long time. the newer dcd roms are a lot better at this, some 6.1 roms though have a terrible memory leak.
Honestly though, you really shouldnt ever have that many apps open at one time. i start to freak out when i get down to 15mb free
try to use something where you can monitor your ram on the today screen, like batterystatus today plugin along with mbutton to see the open apps in the taskbar, and oxiosw memory apps to keep it all tidy.
I'm having the same issue, but not sure it has to do with low memory. I have dcd 2.1.0 rom with Spb pocket plus 4.0, mobile shell and oxios. If I'm going from say IE to any other program and go back fairly quickly to IE it would is still active but If I'm on another program for more than a minute it closes down on its own
Strangly having same issue here. Bus most annoying for internet sharing, and Messenger Live, can't be memory issue, nothing else is running! It just closes stuff as it feels like it.
Using Task Manager 2.0 here, no X-Button.
Mine is doing the same thing and I am running DCD 3.1 ROM. Sometimes I can have only 2 apps open and it will close the one that I am not in. Just 5 secs ago I had opera mini running and spb wallet. I had opera mini running and minimized it with the ok button and then opened SPB wallet from the start menu to get a password and when I went to go back to opera mini it was gone. This seems to be happening to me when I get ~8M of RAM left. This is very annoying. I am running quite a few programs in the background though.
SPB mobile shell 1067kb
S2u2 613kb
tmail 125kb
Wisbar Lite 65kb
Mortscript 16kb
AEB 13k
Ftouchsl 5k
I have had all these programs running before on a WM6 rom and never had this issue. and I never map the ok key to close.
Guys, sooner or later you're going to have to come to terms that the Titan only has 64 mb of ram, with over 50% of it being used by the system. This means you only get about 23-26 mb of free ram with a CLEAN rom. Taking a look at some of the applications you use, I can see why the system is auto closing stuff. WM 6.1 does this so your freakin os won't crash due to no memory. I use a LOT of software and I still end up with 22 mb free at boot. This is because I choose not to use certain programs that eat ram. If you absolutely need to use all that bloat, go back to WM 6.0 until a device with more ram comes out.
Nothing I'm using should be going above 22MB (which is free at startup)
Here's what I use and how much ram they eat up:
Garmin Mobile 5-7
Opera same
Navizon 2.7
GPS Viewer 1
other stuff (no more than 4 at most) less than 1MB
But I use Garmin Mobile in the car and not Opera becuase I don't have a data plan. And If i'm using Opera I wouldn't have garmin on as I would be at a house or mall or something like that.
But with JUST garmin Navizon and GPS viewer (with free ram mind you) garmin will close everything else (sometimes)when I activate it. However, with all three open and garmin in he back it won't close....
Ha..first off..Navizon has to be the BIGGEST pile of bloat I've ever used on my ppc. I had it installed for about 5 minutes before I trashed it.
WM 6.1 doesn't close programs when you run out of ram. It automatically senses when certain programs are eating ram, and when it gets low it closes programs to ensure you don't run out of ram.
If it's closing programs it means something you're running is causing your ram to drop tremendously. I've never had WM 6.1 close any of my programs.
Hello, i had the same problem on my Hermes. But i solved it. Just changed this two registry Keys.
Hkey_Current_USER/Software/HTC/Taskmanager
Enable Autokill change from 1 to 0
Hkey_Current_USER/Software/HTC/Taskmanager
MemoryThreshold change from 9437184 to 943718
Now it works perfect. No more closing Tasks automatically.
Greets
ckraus000 said:
Hello, i had the same problem on my Hermes. But i solved it. Just changed this two registry Keys.
Hkey_Current_USER/Software/HTC/Taskmanager
Enable Autokill change from 1 to 0
Hkey_Current_USER/Software/HTC/Taskmanager
MemoryThreshold change from 9437184 to 943718
Now it works perfect. No more closing Tasks automatically.
Greets
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I am running a stock rom and it doesn't seem to have those keys. Could you post the exact spelling for the values (for example, is the value "Enable Autokill" or is it "EnableAutokill")
A clip for the registry itself would be even better.
Thanks for the tip!!!
ckraus000 said:
Hello, i had the same problem on my Hermes. But i solved it. Just changed this two registry Keys.
Hkey_Current_USER/Software/HTC/Taskmanager
Enable Autokill change from 1 to 0
Hkey_Current_USER/Software/HTC/Taskmanager
MemoryThreshold change from 9437184 to 943718
Now it works perfect. No more closing Tasks automatically.
Greets
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thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou!! I'll try this out, if it works then one of my biggest gripes with this device will be addressed! I played with a friend's Tilt and the amount of available RAM blew me away but this will definitely help with the craptastic memory!
ckraus000 said:
Hello, i had the same problem on my Hermes. But i solved it. Just changed this two registry Keys.
Hkey_Current_USER/Software/HTC/Taskmanager
Enable Autokill change from 1 to 0
Hkey_Current_USER/Software/HTC/Taskmanager
MemoryThreshold change from 9437184 to 943718
Now it works perfect. No more closing Tasks automatically.
Greets
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This appears to have solved my issue with this. I run no2chem 5069k with a 10mb Pagepool. I use Oxios and have ~24 mb of ram at boot. I normally encounter problems when trying to switch between apps. I use the LastFM app and prior to this fix I would OK out of the app and it would close 5-10 seconds after OKing out. Even with a fresh boot. With this fix implemented I have successfully had it running in the background for 10+ minutes while switching between using Google Maps, Live Search and IE. Note that none of the programs closed.
Keep in mind your mileage may vary from ROM to ROM and app to app. I'm guessing that it is exclusive to a certain version of HTC Task Manager. Also possibly maybe exclusive to some type of Memory Mangement App. All I know is that I have been fighting this closing issue since no2chem 5066 IIRC and this has apparently solved it. I've used the same app loadout since I've had my Mogul pretty much.
What I did:
I did not have these registry keys. I created the:
"HKCU\Software\HTC\TaskManager" key
then created a binary-dword for "Autokill" with Decimal value "0"
then created a binary-dword for "MemoryThreshold" with Decimal value of "943718"
I have rebooted my phone several times and have not had any close issues.
Radio: 3.39.10
PRL 60613
PRI.03_003
Current Mogul app load:
Oxios Memory
AC IMSelecter
Lonely Cat Games Slick
Unyverse Ltd Upvise
MS Hearts (yeah, yeah... I'm an addict)
Dashwire
Vicsoft Cleartemp
Youtube youtubeplay
WMwifirouter (.91 IIRC)
Singer's Creations Weather Watcher
HTC Diamond MP3 Trimmer
Google Maps
MS Live Search
PocketPicture
PocketCM Contacts .23
TP PPC-6800 Hacks
PocketToolman (ver, unknown
Total Commander
.net CF 2.0 (certain old programs can't use the ver 3.5)
ShoZu Mobile
GC Java Pack 1.1
TCPMP .72
Opera 9.5 Beta (build ???)
ELF Calc Skin
Someguy sMMS
vtable software lastcab
moBlog
Pocket CM Keyboard .14
EDIT: 20+ minutes and still no app closes, still browsing and switching between. I'm going to delete the keys, soft reset and test again just to make sure
ive found that 6.1 seems to establish a "baseline" of how much ram it wants to keep free, if i let it have 22-23mb free after a soft reset it will kill any apps in the background to get back up to 23mb, even if the app it kills is only using 500k or so
if i open a bunch of apps right after a soft reset, and get the ram down to about 10mb, i can run all day perfectly stable, and keep all those apps open, or close them and open others and be fine, but i let it free up more ram and 6.1 realizes it can have more ram it starts closing apps to reach the "new" baseline
Alright...
So...
That reg edit appears to do nothing. But. I think I may have stumbled onto something that may be causing the issue.
Reset 3 times and tried lastfm with removed reg keys. Nada - multitasked as previously mentioned with no issue. Had me confused. Then I realized I had never run Oxios Close/Hibernate since my last boot. Something I generally do at least once or twice a day, my phone usually doesn't get reset unless I'm installing something. Closed lastfm, ran Closeapps, launched lastfm and tried to multitask, closed out within 5-15 seconds. Something that Oxios (and most likely other tools like it) messes with WM memory management. I realize that even after a fresh boot I'll sometimes run Oxios (quick way to check ram). Either it loads something into memory or the function is sends is somehow looping or causing WM memory to close nonfocused apps.
So, essentially not any further along, but maybe mem management apps are more responsible than many have guessed before? Anyone else have some time to do some independent research?
Ive got a few question about my new htc hero so here they are.
1: What apps use internet in the background and does the weather widjet use internet.
2: Do you think 500mb is enough to download lots of apps and surf the web or should i be careful.
3: And if these apps use internet in the background is there a way to turn it off so it only connects to wifi.
Most of the default apps use background internet, email, stocks, weather etc,
Currently I am on 500mb so far but since im at home a lot of the time I mainly use wifi so I'm probably not the best person to answer this question.
If you disable the Mobile Network option, either from the end call menu or the HTC widget, this will stop all data traffic on your phone but you can still use SMS and make and recieve calls. Therefore if you leave wifi enabled and this disabled, they should only use wifi.
Thanks i just don't want to go over the limit as the charges are horrific £2 for 1 mb so it a big deal as to my second question i would love to here the opninion from someone who travels around lots and uses the internet out and about.
Another question just sprung to mind does the gps require internet and does it use it or is it an actual GPS?
Its an actual GPS chips set... will use the internet to down load data to help it fix a position quickly... essentially data telling the handset where the satellites are.
Also will use the position itself initially using the cell towers for a rough location, then update as soon as the GPS gets a fix.
TBH, the Hero gets a satellite fix faster than any handset I've used before.
So the GPS does use data but hardly any?
Uses data, and yes, hardly any. If you turn off data it will just take longer to get a fix while it searches for satellites.
Thanks i could still use the opinion of someone who uses there phone lots for internet and things like that as im still not sure weather 500mb is enough.
I've still to get an out of memory error.
The Hero has plenty of RAM, all handled very well by the OS.
Search the Hero forum, see if you can find anyone saying their Hero keeps running out of RAM
And RAM is not the same as storage... the Hero has enough RAM for running apps and IMHO enough memory to store applications.
blood9656 said:
Ive got a few question about my new htc hero so here they are.
1: What apps use internet in the background and does the weather widjet use internet.
2: Do you think 500mb is enough to download lots of apps and surf the web or should i be careful.
3: And if these apps use internet in the background is there a way to turn it off so it only connects to wifi.
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To answer to your questions,:
1. app that use internet are internet browser, weather widget, gmaiul, the htc mail app, peep .... .depends also what soft you downloaded from the market.
2.The 500mb you're refering too here is the ROM. Yes it is sufficient for lots of applications. If you really want, you can also download application to your memory card using a2sd.Check the modaco site or paul's thread of his custom rom. As for RAM, the hero comes with 288mb. this is what makes the phone lag or not. If you have a lot of apps running in the background, it obviously will eat a lot of RAM but don't worry cause taskiller is here to save the day and good news is that a new firmware will be out soon that fix this. (check the youtube vid)
3.Well if you don't want applications to use the internet, you can configure them not to update and just do so manually. Mobile Network and wifi cannot connect at the same time. so once connected to wifi, mobile network will be temporarily off.
Hope that helped!!
Believe me, you don't need a task killer or task management app.
Android will manage your RAM very effectively given the chance.
joemax said:
Believe me, you don't need a task killer or task management app.
Android will manage your RAM very effectively given the chance.
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hey joemax,
In fact android manages it very well indeed but i sometimes feel the need of more ram. Even with rss feeds, facebook application, mails n stuff, browser open, the phone responds good, no doubt abt that but if you try to load a game such as devilry huntress ( LOL )on top of that, you'll find all the jewels( or whatever it's called) falling in slow motion.
But yes, the os in majority of the cases takes care of it . I just mentioned it to give a full answer to our friend here .
Cheers/
Fair enough.
Just I have not seen any slow downs since logging out of Twitter, stoping Peeps updates and started using Twidroid.
Then, I don't play games on my Hero apart from maybe Teeter or Labyrinth now and again.
Thanks agian well i just upgraded and got 1gb monthly data so i should be fine now.
Ahhhh... you meant 500MB data plan
Sorry I thought you were on about handset memory.
Glad you upgraded... I have an unlimited plan so do not worry about such things
Well i see your with orange and if you look at their unlimited* plan it has that star well that means fair use policy and the fair use policy is so that you can't over use it,
so im affraid to say that its a 500mb of data limit.
Depends on when you signed up for it
I started my unlimited plan when the Touch Diamond came out. It was only available while they had initial stocks of the handset, then rapidly withdrawn.
By using my Nokia N82 and then N85 (TD went back as its battery was useless and syncing to OS X painful) as a tethered modem (via Bluetooth), I easily racked up over a Gig of data on multiple months, max one month was 1.9GB.
Used instead of lousy hotel wired internet connect. HSPDA was sooo much faster.
NEVER had an issue with a limit or usage.
This may of course be dependant on my history with Orange, I've been with them for over 8 years and I use my handset for work mainly, thus I have very large bills compared to the average user.
Gives me a very high category for upgrades and a very large point score with Orange premiere. On an 18 month contract I usually upgrade at around 9-10 months with no fee and no questions.
well thats pretty good but then you have been with them for 8 years.
I am that old yes
Its a pitty ive been with 02 for 4 years but i don't think they count payg the same as contracts when trying to get special tarrifs and rewards.
Which apps did you all install when the OTA hit?
My first install was network traffic stats, to learn just what was using all my gigs (turns out it was system processes)
Next was some apps to SD app.
Anyone found some really nifty froyo apps, you'd like to tell about?
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Haven't got it yet, but I plan on getting Voice Actions if it hasn't been bundled in yet. Haven't thought about anything else yet though.
Chrome to Phone is my favourite Froyo app, and my first install post OTA update. Really useful just to throw links to my device before going out; I also set it to load the pages automatically while I'm on my home network, so they're ready by the time I'm out of the door.
Other than than I've just moved a ton of my apps to the SD, nice to have the memory cleaned up a little!
Hi, So I bought an APP (legally) and so far I have been able to download it as soon as I flash a new rom.. (from market..not using any kind of backup prog)
My question is, am I going to be able to do this forever? Or will it, at some point tell me I have downloaded this app too many times or some other BS...
I ask this because my nephew has a (hrm pod) touch and obv. itunes...and he likes to mess around with it and jailbreak it and whatnot... and from what Ive seen, if he doesnt physically backup his apps/songs etc to the pc and then restore them back (godforbid the pc gets a virus and has to be re-formatted) he can't just go back intro itunes and look up his purchase history and re-install them on to his pod...
I've been using apps obtained via web/apk downloads...you know, to try them out...but there is only a few I actually use on a daily basis and would like to purchase them legally...however, again, I don't want to buy them and then a few rom flashes later be reading a message saying I have exceeded the ammount of downloads or whatever...
Please let me know what your experience has been..thanks!
I don't think there's a limit to how many times you can download it, as long as you're using your account to download it, you should be fine. But, don't take my word for that, I haven't flashed a million times to know if eventually there's a limit, but from my experience, there isn't.
Don't worry about it. There's no limit.
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I have changed roms many many times and never had a problem getting back what I paid for
Isn't cloud purchasing amazing? Buy away!
some tips.
- be aware of the google account you're syced with. (no need to worry if you only have one account)
- to access your past purchases - go into market, hit settings, hit my apps, scroll down, and if you haven't installed them already, they will be under a section called "Not installed"
- free apps that you've purchased will NOT be on this list. You will just have to search it like normal. the market does not keep track of free apps that you've downloaded for you as far as i know. the app "app brain" will if i remember correctly. I don't use it personally.
- Also, as a side note, Apple does the same thing. if you've purchased from their store, you will have access to everything you've purchased (with money, not free apps) without backing it up to any hard drive.
- this is the cloud universe and this is how it works. welcome
It looks like you can re-download as many times as you want, but you may want to root your phone and backup your apps with Titanium backup anyway.
While Google may restore your Angry Birds app, it doesn't save your scores, or the fact that you successfully completed those 30 levels.