Based on the posts made here already, I have made a review/round up on this ROM. You can read it here.
Any suggestions guys?
Regards,
Carty..
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Any suggestions guys?
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do not claim anything that isn't even your own experience
for example you copypasted this bull**** from another forum post (and which post I've already answered):
"Flashing:
A completely un-documented process. The PocketPC flashed with this tool will literaly be the worst PocketPC in the world (at-aleast at the moment)
1) no warranty, no way to go back
2) the only ROM available are AP3 and AP4. None can put a new ROM on it!
3) no official ROMs anymore
4) no "self cooked" ROMs anymore"
cmonex said:
do not claim anything that isn't even your own experience
for example you copypasted this bull**** from another forum post (and which post I've already answered):
"Flashing:
A completely un-documented process. The PocketPC flashed with this tool will literaly be the worst PocketPC in the world (at-aleast at the moment)
1) no warranty, no way to go back
2) the only ROM available are AP3 and AP4. None can put a new ROM on it!
3) no official ROMs anymore
4) no "self cooked" ROMs anymore"
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The bull**** was mine but Carty, I've put a SMILEY at the end!
Without smiley is to too "strong" for the Team Effort! To be honest and without using the smiley the complete concept is "It was anxiously awaited and the TEAM released a quick first ROM , but some things are still in developing stage
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Delelopers are working to address the problems ,and if you want to have more informations or give your contribution: forum.xda-developers.com, ATHENA section. Now the AP4 flashing process is explained, and CMONEX told us they are releasing the tool to go back!
Carty please, we are on INTERNET, do you remember? Hypertext, WWW, LINKS....
Give the bull**** to the bull**** owners and give to the TEAM the space they deserve for their hard work!
This is a developers forum and they are developing and supporting their ROM. In any case I will suggest to add value to you article, giving some LINKS to the readers!
I was just about to quote sergiopi's reply
Thank you, for the complete answer and the really interesting schedule
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He had some questions which were valid from a developers point and not from and end users point of view. The Olinex has answered these points and you have quoted them out of context and without the smiley which, as he points out, completely changes the meaning of the quotes. You also have tried to make it look like they are your comments and the whole point of this thread seems to be to get more visitors to a website no one has heard of or cares about. Go back to your day job and stop talking cr*p.
Carty said:
Based on the posts made here already, I have made a review/round up on this ROM. ..
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Though you have mentioned here that this "review" is a round-up of existing posts in these forums, in the actual article you have given the impression that these views are yours. That is incorrect.
A good way of giving credit to the original authors is to clearly state the author's handle and put his/her observations in double quotes. e.g. you could have stated as follows:
As observed by Serigiopi (a senior member of the xda-developer forum)
"Flashing:
A completely un-documented process. The PocketPC flashed with this tool will literaly be the worst PocketPC in the world (at-aleast at the moment)
1) no warranty, no way to go back
2) the only ROM available are AP3 and AP4. None can put a new ROM on it!
3) no official ROMs anymore
4) no "self cooked" ROMs anymore"
Last but not the least, do not change any words or smileys in quoted text as that can convey a different impression to what the author intended (as it has done in this case).
Ok, no offense guys, Ive taken that part completely...
Regards,
Carty..
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It seems that there continues to be, and perhaps will always be a steady stream of newbies coming here...who tend to not read any of the upgrading instructions carefully before flashing a new ROM to their device. Having said that I am not holding my breath hoping that people will read this post.
Everyone must understand that its frustrating to developers and to longtime members to have to answer the same questions over and over again. Some of the members on the forum, me included, often reply to cries for help with "Read the Wiki," and people tend to get upset about it. Some of the developers have even left the forum or closed threads because of these frustrations. I don't blame them.
People must also understand that one of the reasons it is hard to find information on the forum is because of all the clutter due to people posting the same stuff over and over. That is why some posts go unanswered.
For those who do read and have decided that they want to upgrade a G4 device, I am listing a few ways to save yourself from potentially "Bricking" your device.
1) Be cautious of ROMS downloaded from your service providers. They do not tell you wether the ROM is for a G3 or G4. These are most likely to be for a G3. This is the case with the Cingular ROM on HTC's site. Try to put this on a G4 and you will have a "Brick" for sure.
2) Be cautious of ROMS downloaded from other places on the internet. Check the RUU installer's name and look for NOID in the filename.
(i.e. newromupdateutility_wizard_noid) This tells you that this ROM was modified to not check for CID, and most likely the ROM does not change the IPL/SPL parts of the device. In other words its been modded for use on a G4.
3) Don't skip steps.
4) Be sure you know what ROM you have (from #1 & #2) before you do anything else, and if you have to modify a ROM understand everything that has to be done before you do it, it doesn't hurt to double check your steps.
I've seen several people try to flash the PDAViet ROM for the Wizard found on the internet and noticed that they "Bricked" their devices trying to install using shelltool. Had these people known that the ROM was already modded for G4's they would not be taking up space on the forum. Don't blame the tools, if they didn't work for you, you probably skipped some step(s). Help the moderators and other members looking for information keep the forum clean.
Also read Flexer's tutorial here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291471
TO DEVS & MODERATORS: Have I missed anything?
You can add a link to this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291471
does it take off everything that is on the rommy thingy?...or what...and f i want to just install it do i have to cid unlock?...( i got aa g3 now) or do i shelltool it...
lets say im going to download farias real thing...to get everything do i install it regular...or shelltool it?
From your questions, you really shouldn't be doing anything with your phone before reading the wiki on this and taking some time to read the forums a bit closer.
i didnt ask that...if u cant answer my question just say so,,,thanks for trying
TaurusBullba wasnt being mean. TaurusBullba was pointing out a few honest truths.
Hypothetically speaking, if someone doesnt know what shelltool does, despite their being a thread with almost 300 posts on using the shelltool then they are obviously not ready to flash anything yet. Furthermore if someone doesnt know which devices the shelltool is designed for then they have again demonstrated that they are not ready to flash their expensive device.
Do as TaurusBullba said and be thankful someone took the time to answer your question in a civil manner.
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does it take off everything that is on the rommy thingy?...or what...and f i want to just install it do i have to cid unlock?...( i got aa g3 now) or do i shelltool it...
lets say im going to download farias real thing...to get everything do i install it regular...or shelltool it?
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Just CID unlock your G3, you dont need shell tools for that.
i dont want to cid unlock it..and i cant...hence the reason im using shell tools...i have read the thread before but was looking for clarification...sorry for asking...and the fact that there are 300 posts makes it even easier for some1 not 2 read all the posts...to get all the information...i ditnt think anyone would read all the post to make sure there perfect with it..hence the reason all people can make threads...to post finds...and questions...and again i say...i cant cid unlock my device...does it take off everything that is on the rom?...or what...and if i want to just install the rom the regular way do i have to cid unlock?...( i have a g3 now) or do i shelltool it...lets say im going to use farias real thing...to get everything on the rom do i install it regularly...or shelltool it?
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CID unlock your phone and install the normal way. There isnt much point using shelltools with a G3 when you can just unlock it.
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and the fact that there are 300 posts makes it even easier for some1 not 2 read all the posts...to get all the information...i ditnt think anyone would read all the post to make sure there perfect with it..hence the reason all people can make threads...to post finds...and questions__________________
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The reason some threads are 300+ posts long is because so many topics are covered, so many questions are answered. By reading all the posts in the thread you might find your question is already answered, conversely by not reading all the pages you might miss something very important. For example imagine if someone didnt read the shelltool thread and missed the discussion about the virus version of shelltool, what kind of trouble would they be in then?
so i take it we should read every single page...no thanks
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so i take it we should read every single page...no thanks
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Just the kind of attitude that leads to you not knowing what shelltools does.
i think asking him to read 300 plus pages of anything is asking too much. And he is right that we all can post threads for a reason. But still most of the info he is seeking can easily be answered by reading the first page of the original shelltools thread.
personally i hate when people say "just unlock it" because people like me who can't void the warranty can't unlock it (i have a g3, but used shelltools to try and keep the warranty) This guy has read enough to know that it doesnt cid unlock your device.
to answer his original question, im pretty sure it just flashes the os and ipl and spl or anything (thats what happened with mine) Ive used nottosmarts and xplore with no problems with it. I say just try it and see if you get the full effect.
I see the users frustration with questions such as this, but this is a forum thats known for the way it is always willing to help a new user out. All we ask is the new user just does some research and not be baby fed.
And killacam even if there is a hint of attitude, they just dont want you to brick your phone, so take take it too much to heart
The issue here is that 99% of the people asking about shelltools are people that shouldn't be flashing their phone. You may be one of the exceptions but the lack of information in your posting about what you do know makes it hard to judge.
The fact is that even shell tool (and any unauthorized tool for that matter), can "brick" your phone and most of the time (read a few threads) people blame the people posting these tools. If you are worried about warranty then you should just be happy with your phone's built in OS.
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The issue here is that 99% of the people asking about shelltools are people that shouldn't be flashing their phone. You may be one of the exceptions but the lack of information in your posting about what you do know makes it hard to judge.
The fact is that even shell tool (and any unauthorized tool for that matter), can "brick" your phone and most of the time (read a few threads) people blame the people posting these tools. If you are worried about warranty then you should just be happy with your phone's built in OS.
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are you talking to me? Why should i be happy with the packaged OS? Why can't i use a workaround that was developed from someone in these forums? In fact, i dont see a reason why anyone wouldn't use shelltools because of the fact that it saves the warranty.
Oh and a lot of programs can brick your phones, even the basic rom update if it's used in the wrong manner. And i don't like the way you went about this post; next time you need help maybe you shouldn't ask it, because that's apparently what you would like everyone else to do. I agree that he shouldnt have looked more at the shelltools thread, but to make a statement about me doesn't make sense.
It's never asking too much of a person to do things if he really wants to do it. Anyway, he doesn't have to read through the whole 300 pages as not every page has the information he needs, just browse through it mate and look for your magic keyword "G3"...
It was worth the 300 pages though, believe me, if I didn't I woundn't be using Core2.0 right now..
i dont think there is a warranty issue here since he wants to upgrade his OS and that would void his warranty (or not?)
the only way to learn is READING and if he doesnt want to read and expect someone else to do it for him thats a bit lazy on your part but here is my advice.....
1)if you can CID unlock your device (if you dont care about your waranty do it) this way you wont have any issues when upgrading to a different ROM
here is a link for some good info about cid unlocking http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/170
or here you will find lokiwiz
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249474
2)if your question is what exacly Shell too does (what it does to the .nbk file) thats a question that you shouldnt be asking since you havent been able to flash a rom and that a question for a more experienced user.
3)read the first page of the Shell too thread that should answer all your questions if not be more specific about what you have done and what you can and cannot do this way we can help you directing you to the treads that might help you
4)and if none of this have help you you can PM me. i have flash several G3 and G4 devices and havent bricked any one of them.
As you can see i dont post as much im more of a Reader (the only way to learn) i usually dont post to ask but to help...thats why this forum is wonderful ...hope i helped in some way if not search....read this forum and google are your best friends
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i dont think there is a warranty issue here since he wants to upgrade his OS and that would void his warranty (or not?)
the only way to learn is READING and if he doesnt want to read and expect someone else to do it for him thats a bit lazy on your part but here is my advice.....
1)if you can CID unlock your device (if you dont care about your waranty do it) this way you wont have any issues when upgrading to a different ROM
here is a link for some good info about cid unlocking http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/170
or here you will find lokiwiz
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249474
2)if your question is what exacly Shell too does (what it does to the .nbk file) thats a question that you shouldnt be asking since you havent been able to flash a rom and that a question for a more experienced user.
3)read the first page of the Shell too thread that should answer all your questions if not be more specific about what you have done and what you can and cannot do this way we can help you directing you to the treads that might help you
4)and if none of this have help you you can PM me. i have flash several G3 and G4 devices and havent bricked any one of them.
As you can see i dont post as much im more of a Reader (the only way to learn) i usually dont post to ask but to help...thats why this forum is wonderful ...hope i helped in some way if not search....read this forum and google are your best friends
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no, upgrading the OS through shelltools will not void the warranty. (that is if you change it back before you send it in for repair )
i agree with pretty much everything you said, and that's one thing people need to learn, is that if you read a little bit, things will just absorb and you will then gain some knowledge. these are expensive little machines to be messing around on lol.
The Real Thing won't work on it
You can try, but Faria's Real Thing won't work on a G3 CID-locked device using ShellTool. I tried already. What I did was just CID-Unlocked my G3 a few days ago. If you need to send it in for repairs, you can always lock it back up using the CID-unlocking software called Lokiwiz. Then you can just use the RUU to flash the image
I figured out how I bricked my Athena. I used the wrong unlocker version.... I downloaded it out of the "Official Athena File Library" thread, It's still linked to the original version.
I'm going to try V3 when my replacement gets here, I just can't help myself
I'm certainly not blaming this on anyone else but I think that the link should be fixed considering the name of the thread. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only mornon on the internet.
Thanks for all your work Oli.
There seems to be a lack of one central location for files and radios. ie , I'v been searching for the last few days on google and yh and still haven't really found any cooked roms that would have it all. Considering that donations are a big part I do not see how someone who bricked their device due to "incorrect" file linking would donate
hmm this gives me ideas. i guess i better talk with ltxda....
Are you thinking about banning morons?
kingpin748 said:
I figured out how I bricked my Athena. I used the wrong unlocker version.... I downloaded it out of the "Official Athena File Library" thread, It's still linked to the original version.
I'm going to try V3 when my replacement gets here, I just can't help myself
I'm certainly not blaming this on anyone else but I think that the link should be fixed considering the name of the thread. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only mornon on the internet.
Thanks for all your work Oli.
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thank you lots for letting us know. i contacted the person who started the thread (part of the athena project), he's removed the megaupload link.
until your post, we've been clueless as to why so many people keep bricking their athenas.
once again, THANKS
OK, just to make sure. I have a standart X7500 with the official WM6 ROM.
Will the unlocker from the first post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315831
Where it says "click here to download" work with my device?
Can someone post the correct unlocker? I'm rather confused with the files and threads floating around, so with any other newbie. Although I've been flashing past devices with cooked ROM, it is only here that I am having trouble understanding the instructions in flashing or unlocking.
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OK, just to make sure. I have a standart X7500 with the official WM6 ROM.
Will the unlocker from the first post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315831
Where it says "click here to download" work with my device?
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that's fine.
yetdy said:
Can someone post the correct unlocker? I'm rather confused with the files and threads floating around, so with any other newbie. Although I've been flashing past devices with cooked ROM, it is only here that I am having trouble understanding the instructions in flashing or unlocking.
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i don't see where the confusion comes from, wouldn't you think the official thread for the unlocker is the one that has the right file posted by its developer.
you would, but people are morons.
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i don't see where the confusion comes from, wouldn't you think the official thread for the unlocker is the one that has the right file posted by its developer.
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Quite true but after reading all the stuff about athenas bricking. You will be confused and will not know which file to download and install. It was good that this particular thread was posted. At least there were some forum members who were kind enough to upload the correct unlocker they personally used and tested and posted the url in a separate thread. Now, I was able to unlock my athena without confusion or fear that the unlocker that I got will brick my athena.
Well I got my new Advantage and flashed it with the V3. Success! I'm now running Dual and I love it. I'd like to thank everyone who worked on the unlocker and ROM.
I have a hurricane and i would like to upgrade it to WM6.1..
But now i want a guide! Because the last time i just did it, i bricked it.. The SPL flash went wrong and now the hurricane is dead.. completely dead.. But unfortunally i have another one i wish to try it on but i need an exact guide..
And then i suspect my other hurricane to be some kind of prototype.. I flashed the "patched_ruu" and it went fine but after that i just got a white screen and now the device dosn't work.. I have tried to get help but as it seems it is not repairable.. So i would like to know if the device i have is a "genuine" hurricane? How can i check that?
The other hurricane i had was not branded.. Nothing was stated on the cover.. The one i want to flash now is branded "Qtek 8200" and the splash screen says "Test Only - Not for sale"
Can somebody help me here ? Iam afraid to brick this device too !
Guys damned i need some help here !
There are more than enough upgrade guides. Just look into the longer WM5 or WM6 threads and make sure that the ROM you downloaded really is intended for your device. Don't just assume and better check twice. HTC devices have confusingly many codenames and are sold under dozens of different brand names. Even some people writing guides confuse one or the other model.
Sorry, I know this is the answer you just didn't want. But reading the threads provides just the kind of information you need if you don't want to brick the second phone.
Regards,
Dirk
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There are more than enough upgrade guides. Just look into the longer WM5 or WM6 threads and make sure that the ROM you downloaded really is intended for your device. Don't just assume and better check twice. HTC devices have confusingly many codenames and are sold under dozens of different brand names. Even some people writing guides confuse one or the other model.
Sorry, I know this is the answer you just didn't want. But reading the threads provides just the kind of information you need if you don't want to brick the second phone.
Regards,
Dirk
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I assumed it was a rom intended for my device, cause the rom i downloaded was in the WM6 from this forum.. The guide in the thread i found isn't very desciptive.. Others have downloaded and got it to work on their device but somehow i did something wrong OR it could be because my device was a sample.
No one with a little spare time ?
Hi,
Can we please have a separate sticky thread which clearly and precisely describe the procedure for replacing the Official ROM with a cooked ROM? Like we have in Vox Forum - all the senior members has a very clear readme file for flashing the Vox with their ROMs- I found that is not the case with this forum. Plus there is jockeyw's post for spl. As I am a bit confused also do not know why I need to hardspl my Gene as it is unbranded!
Sorry for my BAD english
Hey thats a great idea. I was thinking about it for some time but didn't found the time to create one. As soon as i get some time, i'll do it with pleasure. Then we can keep the first post in the thread updated based on user responses. What say?
Regarding your query, Your phone is unbranded means it is not tied up, or in other wordsm sim locked to any particular provider. But HTC is your provider in that case. So its not really unbranded, its just not tied to a particular operator.
The original SPL checks ROM for whether it is signed by digital certificate of HTC or not and does not gives permissions to unsigned ROMs or ROMs that are signed using some other certificate. The custom ROMs are signed by using the personal certificate of the chef which doesn't meets this criteria. Therefore, the SPL also needs to be replaced with one that doesn't checks for any particular certificate.
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krazy_about_technology said:
Hey thats a great idea. I was thinking about it for some time but didn't found the time to create one. As soon as i get some time, i'll do it with pleasure. Then we can keep the first post in the thread updated based on user responses. What say?...
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Thanks a million for the info. Actually I was confused since I didn't have to USPL my Vox.
But I will wait for some time before I flash my Gene. I don't want to brick my Vox just one day after buying It . I would rather wait for your stickey post
BTW after flashing my Gene with, say GENE_wm6.1_19971wwe fusion9.0_new_gene_GENEs (SN:HT 8XX) - will there be more free space? Any ideas? Or can you please tell me by using which ROM will give me most free space?
Thanks in advance.