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I have an 8125 and what I like the most is that there are a bunch of excellent custom ROMS available. Alot of them have many tools and tweaks which make the phone alot better than stock. I've tried many and like the customizations (i.e. Molski and Faria's ROMS).
However, the speed of the 8125 is pretty slow. I want to "upgrade" to HSPDA and 400mhz processor with the Hermes. Unfortunately, I realize that the Hermes is newer and the development is not as advanced. But will there be custom ROMS cooked up similar to the Wizard ROMS out there?
From what I've read, there are a few roadblocks. But I don't want to spend $450 on a phone and have to wait and wait for HTC to release updates. You guys on this site are simply amazing and I would rather use your ROMS.
Thanks for any inputs before I take the plunge in getting the Hermes.
Roadblocks are falling, and custom ROMs are actually being assembled. There are still issues with flashing them to the devices but progress is being made. I am in your camp and would love to have .NET framework, and other large programs in ROM.
I want to prerequisite this post with the statement that I have read through the raphael wiki and the flash for newbs thread.
I've been a tweaker up till now (Kaiser tweak and now diamond tweak) and finally have gathered up the courage to flash a ROM on my fuze. Couple of quick questions:
First - I'm thinking NATF, any other suggestions on different ROMs and +/- of each? Which is most stable needing least tweaks? I'm on vacation right now and can afford to put in some time on this but once works starts again, 80+hr/weeks, won't have time to mess with this much.
Second - in general, once a ROM is flashed, does it need much work. that is, will I need to keep d/l new updates/tweaks and will it really become time intensive. As mentioned above, if it's going to suck up more time in the future, I might just want to stick with ATT bloat removed and a stock ROM?
Anything else I should know before I set forth??
thanks, I've learned tons from all of you guys/gals on this, fuzemobility, and ATT forums!
I've used NATF, ROMeOS and PROven ROMs. Each worked great for me. I would recommend you test each one to see which one meets your requirements or you like better... just a matter of preference as all 3 are pretty stable.
As for updates, normally there are not much updates unless there are some bugs or something not working as expected. Otherwise, the ROMs are stable enough to run for a while unless a new version comes out and you need the feature or added functionality.
The Fuze is fairly new and the cooks are busy making new ROMs so you may see a release every other day, every week, or once a month... who knows.
I definitely recommend you flash your device with something else instead of leaving the stock AT&T ROM. You'll like your device even more. Even if you don't have time to keep up with the latest release, a cooked ROM will be much better.
Good luck.
NATF for me. It performs the best on my FUZE and is very fast; it destroys the lag of the Stock ATT ROM. But in the end, you have to go with the one that works best for you and your needs.
i've been running RRE by Arupenthall and it has worked great for the last week.
It all depends. In my humble opinion, the level of sofistication goes like this: Da_G>NATF>RRE>ROMeOs>PROven
What I mean by sofistication is basicaly the level of existing softwares on the ROM and "again this is very user dependent" the speed. i exclude Da_G ROMs as they are Manilla ones "completely ripped of most 3rd party software including the TF3D interface" because they are the fastest ever and you can pretty much guess why.
Now if you're going to flash from an original, be prepared for some bugs. It's a "joy Ride" yes, but with some "issues' somewhere. It'll only depend on where you will get the issues and whether you can live with them.
My personal experience which I share with you is the following:
- Being an Egyptian, I did like the NATF ROM but it was too "AT&T" for me
- ROMeos is pretty good and stable but somethings that Monx sticks to in his Roms "which by the way is completely his right" did not appeal to me
- Da_G is super light, super fast but super empty and I use it only if I miss the good old days of my dead i-mate 2020
- RRE and PROven are very competitive and very good as well but I think the PROven one is more accomplished and the RRE is more "AT&T" friendly. These 2 are my favorite candidates right now.
- As for the ELITE one, I cannot give an opinion as I never tried one. In fact I never will until these wonderful ELITE people humble themselves and call their ROM with any other name that do not put them separated from the rest of the NORMAL Chefs who are doing a wonderful job FREE OF CHARGE to our XDA community.
(PLEASE BARE IN MIND THAT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION WHICH COULD BE BIASED AND COULD BE ALSO WRONG, BUT IS CERTAINLY MY PERSONAL OPINION)
I've looked over the ROMs and the way i picked is just looking at the changelog and the screenshots. Some of them come with tons of stuff, some come with almost nothing. I like the more "nothing" OS so that i can add what i want to add (via CABs) and forget the rest. As a result i chose Da_G's ROM because it's similar to AT&T's minus all their stuff i wont use. I don't need the extra applications some of the others come with but other people out there love those things
Thanks for the input everyone, much appreciated. I guess I'll take a look at a couple of screen shots and go from there....
Great thread. We're not all experts and we haven't all flashed all the ROMs so this is a valuable resource.
Out of curiosity, is there a limit to how many times you can flash a Fuze?
tinpanalley said:
Great thread. We're not all experts and we haven't all flashed all the ROMs so this is a valuable resource.
Out of curiosity, is there a limit to how many times you can flash a Fuze?
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I don't think there is a true physical limit but NATF in his podcast on fuzemobility said he went through 6 tilts in 13 months since he was flashing so often. he thought it might be related to the numerous flashes and the effect on memory (i'm no electrical engineer so I can't add anything to this statement).
For any new comers to flashing, I do suggest listening to the interview with NATF on fuzemobility about pros/cons and other background on the flash process. http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=768
I'm going to go forth and put on NATF so will keep everyone updated.
One quick question though, if flashing NATF, do I still need a radio or does NATF install a radio on his ROM?
Thanks.
never mind, i found the radio thread under raphael..thanks.
Great thread for us noobs
Hi hkwildboy,
Great appreciation to hkwildboy discovering such an solution for quick GPS locking ........ & here is a CAB who find difficulty in editing Reg edit......
Mod's just for an awareness among all members i created new thread as this is a most essential part (GPS locking) most people complain of......
As per the feed back from senior's i came to know that the cab i attached was not working so please forgive me ...this thread will be closed.
Is the cab uninstallable?
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Is the cab uninstallable?
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Yes it is uninstallable......
I'm trying it out on AT&T Fuze with Shep's 3g. I'm indoors and cannot get a fix with the standard setup. Outdoors I usually get a fix within a minute or so. I will report if this improves my experience later this evening.
Thank you for sharing this.
no feed bscks
With admitted limited use, I would tend to confirm reduced lag. I was not able to get locks indoors at home or at work either with or without the cab installed so no improvement there. The lag reduction alone makes the cab worthy of install however, as I must also admit to seeing no ill/adverse effects from the install. Thanks for the heads up.
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With admitted limited use, I would tend to confirm reduced lag. I was not able to get locks indoors at home or at work either with or without the cab installed so no improvement there. The lag reduction alone makes the cab worthy of install however, as I must also admit to seeing no ill/adverse effects from the install. Thanks for the heads up.
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the cab does only help in speed lock of gps , would not help at places where you are not exposed to open space to get sat signals also depends on radio as well, i am residing at place where i do not get a proper signal...can't expect gps to work.
Does it also reduce lag or was that my imagination? I didn't think it could do anything for signal, but I know many woould like to see an answer to that question. Thanks again for making us aware.
Well I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but you do realize that both 5.08 and the new 5.10 Raphael drivers have already addressed the lock-on/aGPS issues, right ????
All you need is a newer radio, and those new drivers. Any ROM here on XDA has those drivers implemented by now.
This file/reg tweaks are really only useful if you're still running the stock ROM. In which case, how much use are you REALLY getting out of XDA ????
In any case, this fix is for stock ROM's. if you're running NATF, or Energy, or ROMeo's, or Da_G's custom ROMS, the fix for this has already been done, on the HTC side.
I'm running 6.5, and since aGPS is actually working, I'm getting locks in under 15 secs, in under 5 if I'm already connected to the internet.
mexiken said:
This file/reg tweaks are really only useful if you're still running the stock ROM. In which case, how much use are you REALLY getting out of XDA ????
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I don't want to get into any theological debate over the good and evil of it, but there's a lot of people who, for various reasons, are stuck using the stock roms or they are too fearful of flashing.
Just an example, a buddy of mine works for AT&T. One of AT&T's policies (like every other major carrier) is to hand out different handsets to the employees so that they can become familiar with them. Next month he's supposed to sample the Fuze. These types of fixes will actually be pretty useful to him for the purpose of making the fuze realistically functional.
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I don't want to get into any theological debate over the good and evil of it, but there's a lot of people who, for various reasons, are stuck using the stock roms or they are too fearful of flashing.
Just an example, a buddy of mine works for AT&T. One of AT&T's policies (like every other major carrier) is to hand out different handsets to the employees so that they can become familiar with them. Next month he's supposed to sample the Fuze. These types of fixes will actually be pretty useful to him for the purpose of making the fuze realistically functional.
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I understand where you're coming from. However, most of XDA's fame and notoriety came from ROM's. Nowadays, it has fixes/updates to things, but at its core, its a place for custom ROMs for HTC phones.
BTW, I should have clarified. AT&T released an official, updated ROM for the Fuze. It, among other things, addressed this issue. So if someone is scared to run a custom ROM, they can always just flash to the official update, and still, problem solved with aGPS.
I have worked for AT&T, so I now the specific program you're referring to. By now, all Fuze's should be shipped with latest update. And even if not, its not very hard to flash to something he likes, and then flash it all back to stock when he needs to turn it in....
And btw, not every carrier does that. At least, not the one I work for now....
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BTW, I should have clarified. AT&T released an official, updated ROM for the Fuze. It, among other things, addressed this issue. So if someone is scared to run a custom ROM, they can always just flash to the official update, and still, problem solved with aGPS.
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I may be mistaken, as I only spent a few minutes looking, but I can't find an officially released rom update for the Fuze anywhere on HTC or AT&T's site. AT&T's support FAQ claims there's no updates yet. Assuming these sites aren't misrepresenting the facts, I'm pretty sure you're mistaking the firmware update with the Leaked version here: A-GPS works in 5.08 leaked AT&T ROM. Keep in mind, that version leaked less than 6 weeks ago and AT&T is famously slow to release.
You're picking at exactly the point I said I didn't want to get into, that we shouldn't be discussing "To Flash or Not To Flash". Fact is that there's some people who can't...or won't...flash their phones, but installing a cab that notably improves GPS performance with minimal (at this point, virtually zero) risk is surely good for them. There's no reason to knock a good solution if it exists. My point is, XDA isn't just about the latest ROMs, and from the reading I've been doing on here for the last couple of years, I don't believe it's ever been just about the roms.
I'd be willing to bet there's going to be a fair number of people getting use out of this fix. Nearly 300 downloads in just the last 3 days, I suspect at least 10% of those downloaders are getting a lot out of XDA without using a custom rom. In other words, cut these guys some slack, they're doing good work even if it doesn't apply to the majority.
Hi krish_nank
This cab works well with my rom : ROMeOS v.1.95.1 WWE.
Regards,
PB
speed_pour and mexiken stay on topic please.
if you both want to discuss certain things that don't concern the meaning of this thread please pm each other or do it on the msn.
you both have installed the cab? if yes, what are the experiences?
thanks and regards
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Hi krish_nank
This cab works well with my rom : ROMeOS v.1.95.1 WWE.
Regards,
PB
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in which way did it worked well? i know it is for faster gps locks.
But can you be more concrete?
thanks
I dont suppose this also corrects the gps satellite bars for signal not showing does it ?
(IE TomTom , Igo , and a few others dont report the signal strength )
Thanks Much
GSM Raphael owners take note!
pretty funny. Also a good indication of the subjectivity of this problem and the power of the "placebo effect".
Sorry to say, but this cab really doesn't do anything. It sets pollinterval to 500 which is below the 1 second chip update capability. Da_G demonstrated the ineffectiveness of this. Pollinterval should be 1000. Also this cab sets the logs to 32, another setting that has been proven ineffective.
To fix the missing satellite display, TomTom must be upgraded to v7.910.9185.
There is an AT&T test ROM underlying acquisition time fixes to the GPS system. This correctly enables AGPS resulting in consistent 15 second lock times. It has no effect on position lag.
If you really want to understand GPS issues you must patiently read through the entire mammoth thread located in the raphael forum titled "touchpro GPS lag problems". Switch to the forum and sort by views. It is one of the most viewed threads there. It describes in great detail the various GPS issues starting on about post 300. Videos and real cabs containing tested tweaks are there too.
Here is your quiz. Once finished reading you will be able to easily understand and differentiate between these:
what is position lag?
what is speed lag?
what is a cold start, warm start, hot start?
what is ephemeris and how does AGPS affect this?
how does AGPS differ from QuickGPS?
Why does AGPS have no effect on either lags?
More importantly, you will understand exactly what you need to do to turn your Raphael into one of the absolute best handheld GPS devices out there.
Or, you could just load one of the fixed ROMs and run TomTom v7.910.9185 (yes, position lag is partially based on the navigator you are using)
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pretty funny. Also a good indication of the subjectivity of this problem and the power of the "placebo effect".
Sorry to say, but this cab really doesn't do anything. It sets pollinterval to 500 which is below the 1 second chip update capability. Da_G demonstrated the ineffectiveness of this. Pollinterval should be 1000. Also this cab sets the logs to 32, another setting that has been proven ineffective.
To fix the missing satellite display, TomTom must be upgraded to v7.910.9185.
There is an AT&T test ROM underlying acquisition time fixes to the GPS system. This correctly enables AGPS resulting in consistent 15 second lock times. It has no effect on position lag.
If you really want to understand GPS issues you must patiently read through the entire mammoth thread located in the raphael forum titled "touchpro GPS lag problems". Switch to the forum and sort by views. It is one of the most viewed threads there. It describes in great detail the various GPS issues starting on about post 300. Videos and real cabs containing tested tweaks are there too.
Here is your quiz. Once finished reading you will be able to easily understand and differentiate between these:
what is position lag?
what is speed lag?
what is a cold start, warm start, hot start?
what is ephemeris and how does AGPS affect this?
how does AGPS differ from QuickGPS?
Why does AGPS have no effect on either lags?
More importantly, you will understand exactly what you need to do to turn your Raphael into one of the absolute best handheld GPS devices out there.
Or, you could just load one of the fixed ROMs and run TomTom v7.910.9185 (yes, position lag is partially based on the navigator you are using)
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Hi Sir, May be i was wrong as i am not a technically sound person about the mobile working.....if you really believe this cab doesn't have helped any one or doesn't help any way....please close the thread.....once it is done i will delete the cab too. I don't want to waste many people time & useless long thread with out working fix.........
By the way it is been mentioned that this cab act as an tweak to get quick satellite fix not to correct a lagging problem ....
Please close this thread if possible or delete the thread itself Thank you
Hi Krish,
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Can you please split this forum into two areas. I really hate 6.5 it is so buggy at the moment and I am finding my self spending a long time searching through these articles to see what is available. I know the titles sometimes help with "6.5" etc but it would be so much more easier if their was actually sub categories in this category
Doubt it as most if not all roms will be 6.5 b4 long.
i don't know about this. 6.5 is still beta so it will be buggy but there's no point to making another section because when it officially releases soon, 6.1 will be fazed out and die like all the rest that came before it. otherwise there would have been a Windows 2003, WM5, WM6 section opened also, but since they are updates to the same OS there's not much point to making a section for it due to the fact that eventually everyone will upgrade to it when its fully stable
my two cents
cjensen25 said:
Can you please split this forum into two areas. I really hate 6.5 it is so buggy at the moment and I am finding my self spending a long time searching through these articles to see what is available. I know the titles sometimes help with "6.5" etc but it would be so much more easier if their was actually sub categories in this category
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I completely agree, I have been attempting to ignore all 6.5 ROMs, because they are far too buggy, and the won't work with my Redfly, when I try to install the drivers for it, it just freezes my device, and I wind up having to HR. Plus the official release of 6.5 isn't due until Q4 2009 anyway, so it will be a while until we see any "official" ROMs.
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I completely agree, I have been attempting to ignore all 6.5 ROMs, because they are far too buggy, and the won't work with my Redfly, when I try to install the drivers for it, it just freezes my device, and I wind up having to HR. Plus the official release of 6.5 isn't due until Q4 2009 anyway, so it will be a while until we see any "official" ROMs.
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I thought the release is this month??? Maybe it will be 4q before phones start off with 6.5, but im sure XDA forums will have 6.5 before that.
So what bugs are you encountering? Maybe you could compile a list and let the chefs tackle them. There's not many that I can find using RRE's or Da_G's so maybe try one of those?
But yea, please let everyone know what bugs you're experiencing so people can take a look at the root cause and potentially fix them?... I am eagerly awaiting your response to this.
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So what bugs are you encountering? Maybe you could compile a list and let the chefs tackle them. There's not many that I can find using RRE's or Da_G's so maybe try one of those?
But yea, please let everyone know what bugs you're experiencing so people can take a look at the root cause and potentially fix them?... I am eagerly awaiting your response to this.
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seriously i have nil to no bugs with 6.5...
but if you are there are ether related to rom or something you are doing. But ether way you should compile a list in the respective thread to address these alleged issues.
IMHO 6.5 runs far better and quicker than 6.1 ever didd, as far as bugs none that are of any consequence for me
yes man, that is the consensus. plus all the chefs are jumping on it and not looking back broheem.
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IMHO 6.5 runs far better and quicker than 6.1 ever didd, as far as bugs none that are of any consequence for me
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Agreed. After finally getting the guts to flash today I can say that 6.5 is how 6.1 should've been. Great interface, much faster. No bugs for me so far.
Whats funny is my 6.5 rom is FAR more stable and reliable than the stock rom that came on my AT&T Fuze... or pretty much any other 6.1 rom I ever flashed to. I can go weeks without having to preform a single soft reset.
A Huge thanks to whoever is hosting the file!
I just downloaded the full file in 1.5 mins!
I agree. . at least for the time being. Break them up a bit.
I was hesitant to move to 6.5 because of said "bugs". Honestly, I haven't seen a single bug since going to 6.5 though. Works much better than 6.1 ever did.
Great response guys.
After reading through all your articles I decided to give 6.5 another shot. I tried 6.5 and experienced alot of bugs ... missing calls ... GPS not working etc.
HOWEVER...
I have just flashed the "EnergyROM Series 3.0 21215" and it seems stable enough for me... the only bug I have found so far is it keeps turning the backlight down even when I set it not too.. so going to have a dig around on the forums to see if anyone else is experiencing this issue.
Thanks again guys
To the split i vote....
No bugs in 6.5 so far but i not really intend to turn back to 6.1 i think is a good idea to split the forum into 2 piece so 6.1 or 6.5 funs no have to bother with the other builds...
My two cents: 6.5 is pretty stable for me too. On the issue propose, each of the 5, 6 or so top chefs have like 2 or 3 roms and I have no trouble finding what I'm looking for on the very first page of the forum. The threads are well labelled too.
If a split is to be made, I'd suggest making a subforum for the 6.1 ROMs, and keep the 6.5 ones in here.
I think its a good idea to split. So far, i only can see these different between WM6.1/WM6.5 :
1-No HTC WM6.5 specific addons/goodies atm.
2-Titanium by M$
3-LockScreen
4-More Outlook Ehancements.
5-Looks like M$ trying to make the WM6.5 OS more independent without 3rd party addons.
Cant wait for HTC device shipped with WM6.5 & get all the HTC goodies soon to make WM6.5 more usable
typically, we don't split. This has happened many times in the past. Are you guys really having problems figuring out which is which?
Its not that it's hard to differentiate, but it would be easier to find the ROMs that people are interested in. Like me, I have been trying to completely ignore the 6.5 ROMs, because they don't work for me. So it would be nice to split them, or at least have a way to organize them.
Hello,
I am quite new to the HD2, in fact I will receive it this week (I hope).
I move from a Samsung Omnia and I chose the HD2 mainly because I always had memory issues with iGO. The biggest amount of RAM memory on HD2 shall make it work (at least I expect).
Looking at this forum is great because I already have an idea on which apps to install to customize the phone.
Having myself an installed cooked ROM in my Omnia for RAM availability reasons, I know that putting a cooked ROM in the HD2 is not a choice. The question is which one to choose? Being novice, does it mean that I have to read all the posts to have the whole picture? This is a question that every newcomer will ask I guess.
Everybody that cooks a ROM will say their one is the best. You have performed a hard work to build and maintain it and it is understandable. But is it possible to have a collaborative sticky post resuming the available ROMs, their main objective (performance, GUI, available apps,...) so that at least it is easy to know where to look at first according to the user's need?
Right now, I am looking for a ROM having low power consumption and a big amount of free RAM.
Regards,
Javier
Well you'll have to do your own research for that. Go read each thread's first few posts and make an informed decision. Hint ? Look for a Titanium ROM if you want the most RAM available.