I know i have seen this mentioned before but in running a search never found a definitive thread on it...so forgive me if this is redundant.
Its my understanding that the same rom build but one being loaded with as many programs as the partition will allow vs. the same rom build with most extra programs taken out should have no noticeable impact on performance as long as you use the task manager to only allow the same essential programs to load at bootup. the down side of a 'light' rom is if you want to add programs later it will not be installed in the partition with the rom....even if there is space..it will take away from storage space.
My question is, if my above assumptions are correct, why do people want light roms? why not have one loaded up with all that can fit...no matter if your talking 2.1 or 3.5 (3.5 giving more space for roms due to the partition being moved).
thanks
Why installing many non needed applications isn't a good idea in ANY PC?
Because..... startup loading .dll, services, reading BIG registry file, crowded windows directory slow down the PC, decreasing available resources and memory.
A WM6 ROM is a swiss knife! Many things, to answer to all user needs... but I have mine . SO you can chose the fast way, flashing a lite rom, of the hardest way (mine), flashing a FULL rom and stopping non needed services, avoid loading uneeded dlls... The same things the chef does before releasing a lite rom . This is the hardest way, you have to know deeply WM6 structure, using a light rom is the easiest way
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Why installing many non needed applications isn't a good idea in ANY PC?
Because..... startup loading .dll, services, reading BIG registry file, crowded windows directory slow down the PC, decreasing available resources and memory.
A WM6 ROM is a swiss knife! Many things, to answer to all user needs... but I have mine . SO you can chose the fast way, flashing a lite rom, of the hardest way (mine), flashing a FULL rom and stopping non needed services, avoid loading uneeded dlls... The same things the chef does before releasing a lite rom . This is the hardest way, you have to know deeply WM6 structure, using a light rom is the easiest way
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Stop, stop, stop
My rom is really full, and isnt slower then light roms.
hehe!
There is a difference in available memory with the different SPLs, spl1.2 gives you more storage memory than spl3.5.
That said......
when a rom is loaded with programs it sometimes gives a user problems to install a new build of a said program that was loaded in rom. When you install a newer build and then try to uninstall it you might end up with a "hanged" device (this happened to me multiple times), and the only way to not see that wait cursor is to soft reset, and after soft reset, the program is still there in "remove programs", and if you try to run it after soft reset it won't run, and if you try to install it again you will get the message that the program is already installed and you have to remove it first and when you try to remove it again your device is stuck with the wait cursor again.........after all this, the only way to remove this program that you can't use anymore is to do a hard reset.
this happened to me too many times, this doesn't happen all the time though...some programs got installed over whats built in, like opera9.5 but I ended up with 2 icons in programs.
This is one of the reasons that kicked me away from full roms. I liked full roms before but after these incidents I find that lite roms don't/hardly come with those kind of problems, plus I get more space with spl1.2 to install a good amount of programs that I use regularly and still have more than 100MB left to install more programs that has to be installed to main memory.
Below are things I had said in another post and didn't want to rewrite it, so I just copied and paste (something my friend can't do on his iphone, ha, I still laugh at him about it)
Well really, Lite versions don't really bring much to the table except that it allows me to install only the apps that I need or want without having my programs folder looking like something out of a horror movie , eg. if I use the more robust SoftMake Office 2008 there's really no need for me to have MS Office installed, right?
Lite versions gives me an almost clean OS which gives me the "feeling" that my phone runs faster (even it it isn't running faster and just a subconscious feeling). Plus it installs faster .
Lite Versions are just the courtesy from the chef to us the people who wants the lite version, because the chef cooks in the apps that he wants, so for him to take out all that just for us is real generous....get what I'm trying to say?
It is nothing superior to the full, it doesn't carry the bells and whistles, its just what it is "lite". I have a plethora of cabs and only the ones I use. On a full install I hardly use 50% of the apps that comes with it....actually, I might only use 25%.
For me it all boils down to this......a lite version offers me the option of really customizing my phone, no additives, just the things I put in it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2536154&postcount=26
Hey guys,
I love my 101it and can't wait for full root.
in the mean time I've been using z4oot like everybody else.
But since yesterday that stopped working for me.
I've been running z4root and it said that temp root has been granted.... but it hasn't.
I've tried rebooting. Enabling and disabling USB debugging,but nothing works.
I feel like I'm skipping some stupid step.
Anybody has any idea?
Thanks!
Check free memory using ATK or any other app killer. My Z4 was giving me the same issues till I fixed the free memory. My issues started when memory went below 49MB. So I uninstalled some apps and no issues so far.
Some said that you need more space for it (100MB free out of 300MB).
Some also said that it only works after they moved all their apps back to the 300MB storage after they used app2sd (and may or may not have uninstalled it before they rooted).
Some said clearing the data/cache of and reinstalling superuser/z4root worked for them.
Also, once you got it rooted, don't reboot, use hot reboot to keep your root while booting.
For me, I haven't tried the second solution, and I had to reinitialize the entire system... Thankfully appmonster backup, titanium backup, and appbrain sync makes it easy to reinstall all the apps I had.
Thank you guys.
I was able to release 78mb on my internal, cleared data and cache on both but its still not working.
I would consider formatting but since I have no root I can not backup using TB...
Ill try to clear more space later and retry.
Will post results here.
Any other ideas?
Thanks!
Consider backing up with appmonster, swiftp, usb, appbak (list of app, if app monster don't do that already), and appbrain (for quick reinstall).
I believe appmonster let you backup apks, and app list. And with appbrain, you can just copy your synched app list to the new install and tell it to install them.
I had the same problem before and as MoonPhantasm suggests... moving all apps back to the phone from internal storage let me root again. Give that a shot.
The problem is that I have way too many Alps to keep in the measly 256mb on this device...
I ended up formatting the device and now it works.
lets see how long I can go without a full reboot
Thanks all.
madhouze said:
The problem is that I have way too many Alps to keep in the measly 256mb on this device...
I ended up formatting the device and now it works.
lets see how long I can go without a full reboot
Thanks all.
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There is over 300 MB for "Alps" on the device unless you move them to SD in which case there is nearly 8 GB. There is 256 MB of RAM which only comes into play when you swap applications to background. Formatting is like swatting a fly with a grenade launcher but then if you don't know RAM from flash...
I'm finding the tablet pretty responsive without upping the CPU limit but I would prefer a more clear and workable solution than formatting every time I reboot.
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There is over 300 MB for "Alps" on the device unless you move them to SD in which case there is nearly 8 GB. There is 256 MB of RAM which only comes into play when you swap applications to background. Formatting is like swatting a fly with a grenade launcher but then if you don't know RAM from flash...
I'm finding the tablet pretty responsive without upping the CPU limit but I would prefer a more clear and workable solution than formatting every time I reboot.
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I have autocorrect to thank for the "Alps"
I agree - there are 300mb for apps, but I use a lot of apps on my device, and some are rather big (it adds up) and most of these unfortunately do not allow to move to SD Card. I can force some of them to SD using Titanium Backup, but then again once I go under a certain threshold I cannot root and therefore cannot use TB.
I would love to have more than 300mb for apps. It seems kind of stupid that out of 16GB on the device they partitioned only 300mb for apps.... Unless I am missing something... in which case please feel free to correct me.
I do appreciate the opinion though.
Ohad.
madhouze said:
I would love to have more than 300mb for apps. It seems kind of stupid that out of 16GB on the device they partitioned only 300mb for apps.... Unless I am missing something... in which case please feel free to correct me.
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You have to remember that the folks that frequent these boards are not the typical end-user. I had read that the average user installs 8 apps. I have 64, and you are probably around the same high number. The space allocated to the system apps area is not available for content storage, so to most users even the 300MB seems like too much wasted space.
I got 90 apps installed myself, and only have about 30-40MB free right now. Was full for a bit, before I uninstalled a few things... :/
It is pretty ridiculous to only have 300MB for app, when there are 8GB total space. My first time reaching that limit shocked me quite a bit.
About average users installing 8 apps, that sounds impossibly low. Over time, even average users are going to accrue quite a lot of apps. I don't think average users are good at 'uninstalling' things that they don't use til they have to.
Had the problem too and some of it was due to app2sd. Plus, apps keep disappearing when using app2sd, so this feature, one of the most important of froyo, isn't working at all.
Read in another forum that it might be a good idea to first stop all apps by using TaskControl or a similar task manager, before trying to root.
I can't seem to get Z4 to work at all now after doing the firmware update. Tablet seems a lot more stable than it was before the update but would still like to be able to use setCPU to bypass the CPU lock.
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I can't seem to get Z4 to work at all now after doing the firmware update. Tablet seems a lot more stable than it was before the update but would still like to be able to use setCPU to bypass the CPU lock.
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In the latest patch they fixed the options that were allowing temp root. This was mentioned in other posts. Right now there is no root for this device.
Faldiin
Instructions I use to root my A70 IT 8 GB
Hello,
I've been using z4root on my A70 IT 8 GB, since I discovered the ping command requires root access on the Archos Gen 8 line. In the meantime, I found additional reasons to use root mode, such as:
1) MyBackupPro supports root mode for full application and data backup.
2) Swap to increase the memory on these 256 MB devices. While swapping to a SD Card isn't a good idea, I'm looking to do it on the 250 MB version.
3) 1 Ghz fix, which once I can go to the 2.0.71 firmware won't be necessary.
4) Run applications that use the ping command.
I'm using these instructions for running z4root on my system. They assume you already have z4root installed on your system. As for validating rooting was successful, there are a couple of ways on the Archos Gen 8 devices:
1) Run setCPU
2) Run the Terminal Emulator and try to use the su command. If it exists you're golden, if not then it failed.
Steps I use:
1) Let the boot process complete, but don't start additional commands.
2) Make sure USB Debugging is on and (if you want) see if there is at least 100 MB of storage left.
3) Start z4root
4) Select temp root
5) Confirm the notice about USB debugging. If it doesn't appear, something isn't right.
6) z4root will take you to the settings. At this point select development from the opened settings, disable and then enable USB debugging. Confirm the message about USB debugging.
7) Return to the home page.
8) Go back into settings -> Applications -> Manage Applications -> All Applications (tab). Go to the bottom of the list, find z4root and select it. Once there you need to:
8A) Do a Clear Data. This is important.
8B) If z4root is running do a Force Close.
8C) Return to the home screen.
9) Start z4root again.
10) Select temp root and in 5 seconds or so you should see a White flash and the text on the screen should change to say the application is finishing up.
Allow it to finish. See notes below should these steps fail to produce temporary root.
z4root will tell you it was successful whether it was or not. I don't know why. At least on the Gen 8 line checking is as simple as seeing if the "su" command exists on the system. If it does, you're golden and if not then something failed and you can't access root.
To validate success, I'll use one of the following methods:
TERMINAL EMULATOR: Start the Terminal Emulator application and issue the "su" command. If this fails, you don't have root. (Note: If this is the first time running terminal emulator in root, you'll get a message asking to give your permission for terminal emulator to have root access. If the message fails to appear, you don't have root. Again this is the first time only.)
setCPU: Start setCPU and if it is the first time ever using the command, run the Device Selection choosing "Autodect Speed Recommended." If you get a screen asking permission to add setCPU to the list of application, you're golden. If you don't get the prompt or setCPU says it failed to get root, you don't have root.
Subsequent times you use setCPU and adjust the maximum speed, you'll see a message flash on the screen about setCPU gaining superuser permission. This message is from the Superuser application. NOTE: You may see the message even before you adjust anything on subsequent uses of setCPU during the same session.
TROUBLE SHOOTING z4root:
Should z4root fail, you should try it a second time after doing a Clear Data and Force Close. If this fails, do a reboot and try again.
Should it fail all the above retries, I go back to square one. I'll uninstall it, download it again from XDA-Developers, and install it with reboots between each step. I have yet to have this last method ever fail on me.
Typically, though, I don't need to go beyond a second try with a reboot.
Should it again fail, my best success has been to uninstall z4root, reboot, reinstall, reboot, and then follow the instructions.
Good luck and hopefully your mileage will be as good as mine.
If you hear of a version working with firmware 2.0.71, please, let me know.
BGMArchos,
i'm not sure to understand you... you have root your 70it with which firmware ?
not the latest firmware. He said once he can go to the .71 firmware the 1GHz fix from rooting wont' be necessary.
But I find unrootable android device pretty ridiculous. I'll be trading this archos for another device at this rate.
I am sure perm root will come, it's just a matter of time.
Btw what alternative is there for the archos in its price range.
I use the 71 firmware and i am pretty happy with the archos at the moment.
When root comes it will just get better.
But for now I can live without root.
Biggest improvement in think is the way it handles the ram. I don't need to kill any tasks anymore like before. That was one of the most annoying things about the tablet.
Not like it was really much of an issue. You can always reboot every a while too as it reboot pretty fast.
I have a HKWWE HD2, with JP winnls hacked in.
Generally if I open opera + email, I can't open any other programs. eg albums will say no memory can't open.
Settings will show 203mb program memory free and 70mb storage free
I can open fewer programs than on my old 32ram phone.
Installed are spb mob shell, pocket plus, phone suite
I don't know if it has to do with the pagepool, but you can always try a different ROM.
Are you using a 3.14 based rom without 3.03.hspl? 3.14 roms mess up the ram with any other spl/hspl.
I'm using retail shipped rom, but seriously considering android/wm7 now if only i had time to find a tomtom replacement
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I'm using retail shipped rom,
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Doesn't really answer my question, if the rom you are running is a 3.14 rom and you flashed it whilst (example) your spl was 2.08.hspl, then it will mess with stability and available ram.
Dears,
I have Xperia mini pro "Rooted" and I tried Apps2SD app and it is an amazing app but I need your help about some info cause I am a newbie in root and these stuff…
1. How can I get the app back normally to the internal memory!?
2. After I used the app with some apps, it showed me some errors but the transfer to the ROM is done.. Is it normal!? If it is not normal so how can I undo this action!?
3. What is the function of the button Disabled/Enabled!? What it enables and What it disables!?
4. My status in the app is the below..
ROM Free: 71.01 MB ROM free AR: 71.01 MB
User Free: 131.64 MB User free AR: 131.64 MB
I want to know regarding the above status if I will face any problems soon or it is fine and I want to know what the maximum or the minimum for my ROM and if this app is affecting my ROM negatively by anyway or not!? And if yes, so tell me how can I fix it!?
5. Will I receive updates normally for apps which have been moved to ROM!? And if yes, Will I be able to uninstall the apps or move them back to internal memory normally if I want to!?
6. Free ROM means faster device or Free user means faster device!? “I really care so much about my device performance as I am a gamer and I always use Multi-Tasks & I am not sure if what I am doing now will make my device’s performance better or not.. I need your advice guys!
7. Last thing & I am so sorry if I annoyed you with these amount of questions.. If I want to uninstall the Apps2SD app after I used it with some of my apps, Will the moved apps to ROM be affected or not!?
Thanks in advance & I really very much appreciate your support.
Best Regards,
DoLcEka
Hello...I'm running Elegancia and Nova browser right now with SuperUser installed. I went to place a "system reboot" shortcut on my homepage. When I went to use it it asked for "Superuser Priveleges" which I granted...but after that there was an error saying that the program couldn't work on an 'unresponsive shell" or something like that. I had the same issue when i tried to install a power down button through the power toggles app. Any idea why this is happening?
I have another question about a different issue, but I'll post it here to avoid making multiple threads. I go into advanced task manager and even after I kill everything it says there is only 300mb of RAM left...is this normal? Does the system/ROM/launcher consumer 700mb of RAM?
Also, BUMP to my first question
I will try to answer your first answer but I don't have the exact answer to this only a theory. The Widget shortcut is only valid for a Reboot on a Sense based ROM and since you are using Nova launcher...
As for your second question...
You don't have to worry about memory. The OS manages how applications use your phone’s RAM. It only allows applications and their component processes and services to use RAM when they need it. It will cache processes that you’ve been using recently in RAM, so they restart more rapidly when you open them again, but it will erase the cache if it needs the RAM for new applications. It's not a Windows like system where the more RAM you have the better the OS is responding. This is based on Linux core and the memory management is totally different. And way more effective. If this phone was built with 2Gb of RAM the cache would only cache more applications and their components processes since more space would be available for caching.
Lucky Thirteen said:
I will try to answer your first answer but I don't have the exact answer to this only a theory. The Widget shortcut is only valid for a Reboot on a Sense based ROM and since you are using Nova launcher...
As for your second question...
You don't have to worry about memory. The OS manages how applications use your phone’s RAM. It only allows applications and their component processes and services to use RAM when they need it. It will cache processes that you’ve been using recently in RAM, so they restart more rapidly when you open them again, but it will erase the cache if it needs the RAM for new applications. It's not a Windows like system where the more RAM you have the better the OS is responding. This is based on Linux core and the memory management is totally different. And way more effective. If this phone was built with 2Gb of RAM the cache would only cache more applications and their components processes since more space would be available for caching.
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Good to know about the memory. Regarding my other issue...I don't know what happened, but I reflashed the ROM without wiping and the reboot shortcut started working.