Okay, so I know that the xv6800 ain't generous on RAM, but I'm constantly running low. Usually well under 10 megs. I'm using memmaid to try and keep things in check, but I'd really like to get more freed up for use.
Any suggestions on utilities that might help? Are there specific files (like fonts?) that get read into RAM on boot up that I could look at trimming down to get more room?
Thanks,
Chris
You could post what ROM, Page pool size, apps, homescreen plugins, etc.. you are currently using. That could give us a base to help you with.
I use oxios memory to recover stale ram and the stock task manager to close apps and I bott at 32mb available. Obviously I am running nueROM3, so every rom is different.
I am running DCD 3.2.6 and after a night or two after charging, I'm down to about 8 megs and have to soft reset. MemMaid helps a tiny bit during day-to-day use.
I also found out that when I put my SD card in, it drops from about 25mb to 15mb instantly. I don't know if that's due to programs I have running on my SD card or some power setting. I yank it out....10MB magically re-appears.
I run iLauncher with some shortcuts to programs on my SD card, and have all of my TomTom maps on them as well. As far as that goes, nothing else I can think of as to why my RAM drains night after night and why I lose that 10MB.
You're not alone.......
Have you tried uninstalling programs and seeing where the big leak is? I only install programs like games to the memory card. Nothing that runs as a regular day-to-day process. Its something to try. Then maybe re-install to the main memory to see if that helps.
kdj67f said:
Have you tried uninstalling programs and seeing where the big leak is? I only install programs like games to the memory card. Nothing that runs as a regular day-to-day process. Its something to try. Then maybe re-install to the main memory to see if that helps.
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Not yet. I just got an extra refurb 6800, so I plan on doing some testing with your suggestions (don't have the ability to go w/o my normal phone for too long for testing). I also only have games installed to my SD card, so I'm thinking it could be some of the power settings I tweaked with when I had my 6700 (as far as the losing-RAM-when-inserting-card issue).
After the end of charging, filesys.exe, device.exe and gwes.exe are all around the 6-8MB mark (I made it down to 4MB of available RAM two days ago). I don't know if it's a program leak, or again, maybe something I did with the power settings.
Time will tell......
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You could post what ROM, Page pool size, apps, homescreen plugins, etc.. you are currently using. That could give us a base to help you with.
I use oxios memory to recover stale ram and the stock task manager to close apps and I bott at 32mb available. Obviously I am running nueROM3, so every rom is different.
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Okay, I'm running build 20275.1.3.3 dcd ROM.
Not sure where to find my page pool size.
For apps, it depends, but my usuals are Mobile Shell, Media Player, SPB Online, eReader, and PIE. Mobile runs in the background of course, and I'm lucky to have two of the other programs open. If I try a third it usually slows WAY down and often hangs.
Today screen plugs ins = 0. I use Mobile Shell's NOW screen as my home screen. Which reminds me, I've got spbWatcher running somewhere in there too.
Have you tried dotFred Taskmanager to look at all your running apps?
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Have you tried dotFred Taskmanager to look at all your running apps?
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Good suggestion.
I have never ran it, but SPB mobile shell was thought to eat ram, much as manila does. I could be wrong though... Lots of weather and mail plugins constantly nibble at ram too over the course of a day..
signal34 said:
I am running DCD 3.2.6 and after a night or two after charging, I'm down to about 8 megs and have to soft reset. MemMaid helps a tiny bit during day-to-day use.
I also found out that when I put my SD card in, it drops from about 25mb to 15mb instantly. I don't know if that's due to programs I have running on my SD card or some power setting. I yank it out....10MB magically re-appears.
I run iLauncher with some shortcuts to programs on my SD card, and have all of my TomTom maps on them as well. As far as that goes, nothing else I can think of as to why my RAM drains night after night and why I lose that 10MB.
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Signal34...
what version of MemMaid are you running? also it is possible you have too many programs running from ur SD card I only gain 4megs of ram when I remove my SD card...
on the latest version of MemMaid there is a system Tweak called "optimize" if you have this version you should try it...the lowest my memory ever gets is 11megs and then I go into the task manager close whatever is running and it gets back up to 15 or 16 megs and after a soft-reset I get anywhere between 18.4 and 20 megs free...
that is with:
SPB Mobile Shell
SPB Pocket Plus
HTC Homeplug
PhotoContacts Pro
and messaging...running at startup
pdub73 said:
Signal34...
what version of MemMaid are you running? also it is possible you have too many programs running from ur SD card I only gain 4megs of ram when I remove my SD card...
on the latest version of MemMaid there is a system Tweak called "optimize" if you have this version you should try it...the lowest my memory ever gets is 11megs and then I go into the task manager close whatever is running and it gets back up to 15 or 16 megs and after a soft-reset I get anywhere between 18.4 and 20 megs free...
that is with:
SPB Mobile Shell
SPB Pocket Plus
HTC Homeplug
PhotoContacts Pro
and messaging...running at startup
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I'm running MemMaid v2.3 and just noticed that setting, so I'll give it a whirl (many thanks! ). I just found out that my SD card issue was due to previous FATFS settings I had ported over from my 6700 days (I have my own registry tweaks cab). After clearing those out, I no longer lose that 10MB RAM when I insert the card....only about 1MB.
On startup, I now get about 17MB RAM after everything loads. Besides all of the normal system files, on startup I see:
VoiceCommand
tmail
ActiveSync
connmgr (is this normal?)
AE Button Plus
Small Menu
Magic Button
poutlook
NK.EXE (????)
My Today screen runs:
TodayTime
PhoneAlarm
TodayAgenda
iLauncher
Weather Panel
I'm still trying to figure out the charging issue, though. I don't know why I lose all that RAM....though I wonder if it has to do with having it charge via USB rather than the wall?
Thanks for all of the suggestions pdub!!
I moved a bunch of dll to SD card as well, and that seems to help some. I also discovered that SprintDB has like four or five dlls... some of them quite big! I deleted that program and that seemed to free up a lot of memory. I also got rid of everything else that I'd tested at one point but decided not to get or keep. I had a lot of old dialers on there.
Last night I had PIE, Media Player, PocketInformant, Mobile Shell, and eMail all running and still had 8 megs free.
Feeling a lot better about the memory situation now. I'll still work at tweakin' as much out of it that I can, but I'm feeling better for sure.
signal34 said:
I'm running MemMaid v2.3 and just noticed that setting, so I'll give it a whirl (many thanks! ). I just found out that my SD card issue was due to previous FATFS settings I had ported over from my 6700 days (I have my own registry tweaks cab). After clearing those out, I no longer lose that 10MB RAM when I insert the card....only about 1MB.
On startup, I now get about 17MB RAM after everything loads. Besides all of the normal system files, on startup I see:
VoiceCommand
tmail
ActiveSync
connmgr (is this normal?)
AE Button Plus
Small Menu
Magic Button
poutlook
NK.EXE (????)
My Today screen runs:
TodayTime
PhoneAlarm
TodayAgenda
iLauncher
Weather Panel
I'm still trying to figure out the charging issue, though. I don't know why I lose all that RAM....though I wonder if it has to do with having it charge via USB rather than the wall?
Thanks for all of the suggestions pdub!!
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No problem, until we can get our hands on a HTC Diamond we have to make the best of the RAM we're given...if I come up with any other MemMaid tweaks I'll let you know...I'm still trying to learn all its new functions..
Conmgr.exe seems to be a normal process, i have it as well
Willing to bet SPB Mobile Shell might be the problem
I have used mobile shell on a few different phones and I always found it to be a memory hog so I usualy end up installing it. Tried it orginaly on a Treo 700w (very bad idea) then a Samsung i760 good phone should have been plenty of memory but after a day I would be down to around 5 megs free I had already disabled the samsung today screen clock since that had a known memory leak. I have tried Mobile shell on my VX6800 with stock ROM, DCD 3.2.5, 3.2.6, and NueRom3. NueRom3 was the only one that left the device enough memory. Right now I have it uninstalled and am using Throtle Launcher seems to be a little easier on the memory.
Installing software and putting DLL's on the memory card won't free up RAM, it will free up ROM, but that makes very little if any difference on the performance of the phone.
On older PocketPC 2003 software and older, there wasn't a ROM, everything was in RAM, so it made sense to install software on to your storage cards. Since the Titan has seperate RAM and ROM, there is no need to install on to your storage card. Actually installing somethings on the storage card will slow the phone down, when the phone wakes up it has to reinitialize the card and this can take 1-2 seconds, which is one reason ring tones don't work well or will get delayed when played from the card. In my case I install all of my programs to my internal storage, copy over my ring tones, etc to my internal storage and only use my storage card as storage for backups, GPS software, and my cabs to reinstall after a hard reset.
To free up as much ram as possible, limit your number of today items, don't install MSVC, and have as few programs open as necessary. I use the HTC task manager and have it set to close all programs except ActiveSync and my phone runs on average around 20mb free at all times. I am using DCD 3.2.6. Programs like Manila and SPB Shell all are memory hogs, sure they look nice, but are they a required function for your phone, or are they just easier.... You have to be able to make the distinction in order to get more free ram on your phone. Since these programs have to be "running" to work, then they eat ram. I don't mind programs that are memory hogs, pending they aren't running 24/7. But those UI programs do eat a ton of memory.
BTC
I'm really debating dropping Mobile Shell, but I do enjoy it a lot.
There is no question it's a memory hog... usually between 2-4 megs depending on what theme I'm running.
But, it also gives me a lot of functionality. I really enjoy having the list of upcoming appointments and alarms along with a quick and easy way to adjust volume and brightness from the NOW screen.
And the menu launcher is perfect sized for fingers.
Plus I like the picture dialing rather than having to browse through my contacts. Again, nice sized for fingers.
I know there are other options out there that can do all these things, but my question is: Will they be an gentler on the memory??
I have the same dilemma. Really like all the SPB products especially Mobile Shell with the Diamond skin, but I just can't take the memory loss any more.
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Installing software and putting DLL's on the memory card won't free up RAM, it will free up ROM, but that makes very little if any difference on the performance of the phone.
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I keep seeing where people move stored programs from internal ROM to external ROM to free up RAM. That doesn't work on WM5 & WM6.
I have a number of programs installed on my Today screen, and Voice Command. Voice Command alone eats up about 3 meg of ram. But those are things I need to remove to free up RAM.
Diary over Shell...and does MemMaid really work..?
Instead of Shell, you can actually try SPB Diary, which isn't as nice as the Shell..but I found it quite useful- especially since it allows mail and text message previews and even allows a contact plugin, where your entire contact list is on the today screen under a tab (this eliminates the need to actually open the contact program, which i found sucks up 1% of RAM..lol), furthermore you can choose to pin contacts on the top so you can put the contacts you call most in a more convenient place
About the calender and appointments..it also has a tab that shows upcoming appointments and if you hit the calender's tab twice, it brings up a mini version of a calender that lets you see when things are due..etc..etc
The SPB Diary can also integrate other plugins (I realize putting IM+'s plugin into the the tabs reduces the RAM usage by a lot)
It also has a Notes tab (allows you to quickly access Notes, Word docs and Excel docs) and a Task's tab (which shows all tasks)
Of course the SPB Diary isn't as finger friendly, but I found that my fingernail and a bit of tweaking allows it for finger usage..doesn't look as nice..but if its functionality you want, the SPB Diary works very very well
I gave MemMaid a shot..and set the Optimizer to Extreme Speed and transferred several DLL's into the memory card..but nothing seems to have improved..furthermore I used the "Reclaim Memory" function and it doesn't reclaim RAM at all! Oxios Hibernate works so much better, where you can actually see an increase in RAM through the HTC Task Manager's percentage..so..does MemMaid actually work for anyone? Since I bought it already..I figure I'll keep it..but..
One more thing..if you're using A_C's S2U2, it actually brings up the RAM usage..to probably 2-3 MBs..if you want a simple locking mechanism, use the device's lock program (ugly, but does the work well) and you can have it automatically activate by using Homescreen Plus..It took a very long time to get rid of S2U2, since I liked it so much..but in the end still did it for the RAM
Some SPB Diary Pics..
Thought I'd show what I meant when the Diary shows everything you might need:
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I know this has been beat like a dead horse, but if you like those RAM-intensive apps like SPB MS, M2D, HTC Home etc... Try No2chems 6152 pre3.
I have been messing with 3.2.6 and pre3 for the last few weeks trying to figure out a way to run these apps/plugins/launchers and make the best of all of it. I have a broken arm and am not able to work so i figured I would try to do something useful with my off time.
Now I just have to compile a list of all the files necessary to make pre 3 as solid as 3.2.6
I suspect there is a memory leak somewhere in the Sense UI or or in Android. When I boot my phone and kill all the apps I don't want running, I see 96MB of free ram. But after a day, with the same apps running, I am down to 46MB. This has the result (or so I assume) of making my phone feel more sluggish even though I'm running the same apps. Rebooting fixes all the sluggishness, and the Hero flies. Is anyone seeing the same thing?
I've been using it since launch and haven't had much lag.
You can always try a hard reset if its that bad.
Test it while using regular home and kill sense UI, see if there's a difference.
Well, I only get a lag from time to time. It's just that I noticed this increase in memory usage for no particular reason. I'll try to track down the offending apps if I can. I might try a hard reset though. Can't hurt.
I notice that the browser and my exchange "mail" process freeing up the most memory when I use Advanced Task Killer to "Auto-End" all non-excluded apps every hour.
Once, the mail app was taking up 30mb of RAM. It's not uncommon for the browser to take up 20 or more either. After a while, I also see what you mean, in that when I first start my phone with the same 6-9 system processes I have anywhere from 90-100MB free, and after a while when killing them, I can only get to 75-80 free.
Since I had the Mogul a while back, I tend to watch RAM closely since that phone only had a measly 20 free after boot.
Same Here
I'm seeing the same thing as well. I use TaskPanel X to track memory usage and apps. Likewise the memory seems to slowly decline over time. Additionally even if I kill all the non-critical apps so it is like it was when it booted, I'm still about 30-40MB less than after a fresh boot.
Is there ANY way to increase Device storage on HD 2 (Windows 6.5), and not to hard reset the phone after that? I really love apps, and I've installed pretty much all the neat cabs that I've found among tips and tweaks here (and elsewhere too), and when it was possible - I've installed them on storage card, but some of them doesn't work that way, so I had to install them on Device...And add to that bunch of programs as Freda, BsB, Cookie Home Tab and Editor, SlovoEd Dictionary etc....And, I've already taken care that all of my music, videos and pictures are placed in SD, My documents. But, whatever I do, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH MEMORY ON MY DEVICE STORAGE ((((((((( !!!!!And it's always critical...HELP ((please.....
you need to clear the cache memory of opera , HTC ablum ..... etc ...
Use the Clear temp .... it takes care of all this temp memory ...
I too had same problem .... its so buggin with no storage memory space in the device ...
Since I am not able to post outside link ..... ask the same question in facebook ,,, in HD2Apps link ...
Thanks for the advice! I've found Cleartemp, installed it, and cleared junk...gain about 7MB of space :/ :S (OMG, I'm going to kill myself)...and just found out that the international HD2 (the one I have) has only 448MB of RAM, and 512 ROM, that can't be increased ... While USA Version has 576MB of RAM, and 1GB ROM which is much more cheerful..And what's the point of my SD 16 GB (with 6 GB of free space), when my phone isn't working properly with critically low Device memory...Now, that's sad ....
ivona7 said:
Thanks for the advice! I've found Cleartemp, installed it, and cleared junk...gain about 7MB of space :/ :S (OMG, I'm going to kill myself)...and just found out that the international HD2 (the one I have) has only 448MB of RAM, and 512 ROM, that can't be increased ... While USA Version has 576MB of RAM, and 1GB ROM which is much more cheerful..And what's the point of my SD 16 GB (with 6 GB of free space), when my phone isn't working properly with critically low Device memory...Now, that's sad ....
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don't get depressed, you can install most of the apps to the storage card (and keep in device memory only the system ones, as e.g. cookies home tab etc.), then search xda forums for tweaks to move internet explorer and opera cache files to storage card, use clearttemp from time to time (or invest in MemMaid), and you should not lack memory any more
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Is there ANY way to increase Device storage on HD 2 (Windows 6.5), and not to hard reset the phone after that? I really love apps, and I've installed pretty much all the neat cabs that I've found among tips and tweaks here (and elsewhere too), and when it was possible - I've installed them on storage card, but some of them doesn't work that way, so I had to install them on Device...And add to that bunch of programs as Freda, BsB, Cookie Home Tab and Editor, SlovoEd Dictionary etc....And, I've already taken care that all of my music, videos and pictures are placed in SD, My documents. But, whatever I do, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH MEMORY ON MY DEVICE STORAGE ((((((((( !!!!!And it's always critical...HELP ((please.....
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you should install cleanram as it helps free some ram...also get cleartemp as it'll show you what's eating your space up like googlemap and youtube caches so you can delete them easily...and finally don't forget to soft reset
the next tip helps MOST
one more very important thing which saves a LOT of space if you're on stock rom or your cooked rom doesnt have it(highly unlikely) is moving the album cache...read the thread here and look out for 4tune's cab
you should also read tboy200's thread and look at tips 65 and 67
Thanks, this was very helpful ... I'm happy again ! I've already got tired of reseting my phone..twice a day minimum
I'm currently using CronosDroid 2.13 (2.1) and was on Modaco 3.2 (1.5) previously.
Within 10 mins of switching on my phone Taskiller widget reports only 30-35mb of free memory. No problem right? 30mb is more than enough? Wrong. Anytime free memory drops below about 50mb phone gets stupidly sluggish.
I do have 120+ apps installed, but surely you should be able to do that on a platform that has 50,000+ apps available? I know HTC Hero is 1 year old hardware, but hardly obselete.
Is it just me or does Android suck at managing memory? I'm not a dev, but surely memory management is a key part of an OS..?
Is there something I'm doing wrong? Anyone else have this problem?
It's starting to get annoying having to kill all tasks every 15 mins....
BoogWeed said:
I'm currently using CronosDroid 2.13 (2.1) and was on Modaco 3.2 (1.5) previously.
Within 10 mins of switching on my phone Taskiller widget reports only 30-35mb of free memory. No problem right? 30mb is more than enough? Wrong. Anytime free memory drops below about 50mb phone gets stupidly sluggish.
I do have 120+ apps installed, but surely you should be able to do that on a platform that has 50,000+ apps available? I know HTC Hero is 1 year old hardware, but hardly obselete.
Is it just me or does Android suck at managing memory? I'm not a dev, but surely memory management is a key part of an OS..?
Is there something I'm doing wrong? Anyone else have this problem?
It's starting to get annoying having to kill all tasks every 15 mins....
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You should make friends with dkelley. He has 160+ apps, and after hacre modified Froyd to work for loads of apps, he stopped getting lags.
Not sure what the fix was though, but I'm sure it still carries through to today...
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I have a second HTC Hero which runs Android 1.5. The phone says there is 980KB memory left. However, when I go to Task Manager to kill apps to help with the memory, it says there is 91MB left. I cannot use the phone much and cannot open up messages to read or send texts.
How can I check what is causing the memory problem on the phone itself? I assume what is on the SD card does not affect the internal memory?
Everytime i used a taskkiller on 1.5 i ended up with a phone that would crap out on memory. Could uninstall everything and it still would say not enough memory. Did a factory reset en left the taskkiller out.. no more problems. Some how 1.5 seems not able to let the used memory go when killed by a taskkiller... meaning memory runs out that was my problem at least..
hth
How can you kill apps without a Task Killer though?
You don't have to. Android does this fine by itself
Sent from my Froyo Hero using Xda app.
Two questions:
1 What method and how does Android kill tasks without a task manager?
2 Are there any bits and pieces I can remove from the Android operating system but then reinstall them if necessary - things that are stored on the phone?
Memory as in RAM or memory as in phone storage memory?
Those are different things.
Task killers clear up RAM, phone memory is cleared by uninstalling applications.
If it indeed is RAM you are talking about, I don't know why it would do that.
The internal taskkiller has a minimum, and it is above 980kb.