I decided to play with the Debug Tool 3.2 and found all the Flash flags were set to 0. I saw there was a setting for Radio Flags. I set it to 8, wrote it, rebooted, just to see if there was any change in EDGE/3G capability (I have a Euro TP and I'm in the US). Since that didnt have any noticable effect, I changed the Radio Flags to 65535 , rebooted. The Phone showed the ToucHPro boot screen, then displayed the red version numbers and thats it.
I did a hard reset to reinit everything, no help. I reflashed the radio, no good either. Just reflashed the OS to DCS 1.5, still stuck.
Perhaps theres a way to reset the flags via MTTY in the bootloader, or through an AT command. If anyone has any ideas to try, let me know.
Edits:I just viewed the DebugToolAp.html and I think i know what I did wrong. Since I wrote a value of 65535 (16 bits, all ones), Im guessing the debug app properly converted it to hex and wrote 2 bytes instead of one, overflowing into the next location, where each 1 bit disables a piece of hardware. All 1's in that location would disable everything.
Now to figure out where that flash is and how to set those 2 locations back to 0's. I'm guessing I'll need a MFG SPL that has rtask enabled.
The Debug Tool calls the flash "PureFlash". Anyone know anything about it? Perhaps I can use JTAG to write to it? (I have a Wiggler)
Edit: running info 8 reports that I have 8 bad blocks, and based on similar symptoms posted on xda, the trick seems to be to run task 2a to fix the bad blocks, then task 28 to re-format the flash. But task 2a doesn't seem to do anything.
UPDATE: All the damage I did was repaired from remote by cmonex. I've learned my lesson, leave the tinkering to the experts!
dude if you want to brick your TP,instead of bricking it send it to me. i would be glad to accept.
lover said:
dude if you want to brick your TP,instead of bricking it send it to me. i would be glad to accept.
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I'll keep that in mind next time I feel like wasting $1000
I can hear the interweb say "You dumb ass!".
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I'll keep that in mind next time I feel like wasting $1000
I can hear the interweb say "You dumb ass!".
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well kudos to you sir for bricking it and still keeping cool
maybe you can get some ideas in frankenkaiser-- it's connecting via radio SPL (OEMBSL) and I remember there is a read/write operation in there.
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well kudos to you sir for bricking it and still keeping cool
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I'm not sweating it until someone who knows better tells me I done hosed it!
I still have a Kaiser and a Hermes, so I can still make calls
I'm browsing the the strings in HARD-SPL and see a lot of references to related bits, so I'm hoping theres a simple command in there to run to reset it.
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I'll keep that in mind next time I feel like wasting $1000
I can hear the interweb say "You dumb ass!".
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well attempting to brick sounds like wasting to me.
hehehe, if you want to brick flash a kaiser radio on raphael
I'm more of a dumb ass now
Update: True to the saying "A little knowledge is dangerous", I've succeeded in making matters worse.
Realizing task 2a wasn't working in HARD-SPL, I flashed back to the stock SPL, did the task 2a and then task 28. But now I can't flash HARD-SPL back, I just get "error 262". Flashing HARD-SPL from the SD Card just hangs on the loading message (never gets to the bar graph).
Since the CID is HTC_032 (Eastern European), I can't even try a SHIPPED ROM as I can't find one yet.
Running info 8 I only get checksums for SPL, not IPL. And I still have bad blocks.
I'm guessing the only thing left is to wait for a modified SPL that I can load into RAM, jump to it, and then try reloading HARD-SPL.
I'll stop fscking with it now, if I make it any worse then I know its JTAG time.
Send it back for warranty... if YOU cant boot, then THEY cant too and see that you have modified the rom
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Send it back for warranty... if YOU cant boot, then THEY cant too and see that you have modified the rom
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Thats no fun I rather sit with it and wait for one of the big guns to advise.
I would suggest you pm cmonex , explain what you've done, and see what she recommends.
hey there, I'm checking this thread as per your PM.
classic case of reading BUT not reading enough. and also messing around more even after realizing something is wrong.. I hope you agree
I'll first try to correct all the wrong information mentioned here...
1) the debugflags have nothing to do with the 3G enabling.
2) task 2a is only useful for hermes, you're lucky it didn't kill the SPL totally. why do you think it is removed from hardspl otherwise.
3) task 28 is a plain hard reset, same as the button combo for hardreset. (BTW, many touch pro's have the same number of bad blocks, mine included, god knows why)
4) JTAG is not as simple as that. what devices have you jtagged before? any devices that have no publicly available documentation for it?
5) frankenkaiser will not work on a diamond/touch pro, because the normal USB interface is disabled in oemsbl command line and in dload mode. please no one should try setting any bootmodes in oemsbl command line!!! instant brick if you set 1, 2, or 3. and by brick I really mean brick, this touch pro right now can still boot SPL so not a true brick.
6) there is no IPL since kaiser came out. now radio bootloaders boot the SPL, not IPL.
7) if you have no shipped rom for this, you're in a much bigger trouble than originally even if you manage to unset the flags. btw there is a way to unset them, but the way I know of will only work with hardspl, we'll see if there is any other way. but again, your biggest trouble isn't the flags right now.
ok, i'll reply to your PM too and see how to go from there.
next time do not play around that thing what uu dot know deep enough....
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I'll keep that in mind next time I feel like wasting $1000
I can hear the interweb say "You dumb ass!".
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Next time you want to throw away $1000 consider donating it to a worthwhile cause. There are lots that need the money!
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Next time you want to throw away $1000 consider donating it to a worthwhile cause.
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I don't give to charities, only to hackers!
Man I really feel for you, Ive been there and done that only it was a Hermes I'd cooked and flashed a bad rom heart broken at the time.
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Man I really feel for you
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I got what I deserved fair and square. Let that be a lesson to all the kiddies out there. There's still a .0005% chance that it an be saved. If not, then it becomes spare parts when I get a new Fuze
Let do a second chance, bro... give it back to the seller for warranty...
Another hope....
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Let do a second chance, bro... give it back to the seller for warranty...
Another hope....
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I thought about that, but no, thats not my style.
On the bright side, I flashed HyperDragon III Opal onto my Kaiser last night and I have to say its quite impressive. It's like having a Touch Pro, but faster! Cheers to Sakajati!
Just as cmonex said ..
but in my opinion it isn't bricked at all ... it's just waiting for the right spl and oemsbl to rewrite the config flag.
We'll have a look at it.
Cya,
Viper BJK
I remember GSLEON3 taking his Kaiser out of action with a task 2a for month's until Franken Kaiser came along.
Don't give up, I'm sure Viper and cmonex can get it sorted.
Ta
Dave
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Well, i ****ed up my phone.
Trying to bring it back alive failed, so I'm going to bring it
back to T-Mobile.
Does someone know a very good lie I can tell them, so I don't have to pay for the repair.
When i try to start my phone, i see a HTC splashscreen, and thats it. Normally it start with a T-Mobile splashscreen. Can they see i tried flashing my phone, or is that an assumption they make.
CCRDude said:
I don't think using bold letters and the clear word "lie" will help you a lot... you just highlight that you ask for illegal help
Maybe you should take a look at the bricked-devices topic for a chance to revive it?
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I have spent the last 3 days 30 hours orso fixing my phone. Revive is something my dead baby won't do.
vayip said:
I have spent the last 3 days 30 hours orso fixing my phone. Revive is something my dead baby won't do.
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enter the bootloader; try to flash a regular update from your provider to it.
vayip said:
Well, i ****ed up my phone.
Trying to bring it back alive failed, so I'm going to bring it
back to T-Mobile.
Does someone know a very good lie I can tell them, so I don't have to pay for the repair.
When i try to start my phone, i see a HTC splashscreen, and thats it. Normally it start with a T-Mobile splashscreen. Can they see i tried flashing my phone, or is that an assumption they make.
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I did the same with my Vodafone (UK). I just told them I'd hard reset and this is all I can see on the screen (don't get stroppy etc).
Mine will be back Tuesday, warranty repaired.
Vod UK use an outside repair centre so will probably be the same as T-Mobile if you are in UK. Mine needed a new motherboard, but there is a bit of a shortage in the UK (too many bricks???). I guess it depends on the outside service centre contract whether they charge you or T-mobile (and maybe also because I had warranty and Insurance)..
Just go in and plead ignorance, but if they want to charge you, ultimately it was you that ****ed it and not them
Toast it in the microwave for 5 seconds!
boz said:
Toast it in the microwave for 5 seconds!
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That's a new one - when car radio codes first came out they always said to put them in the freezer then stroke the chips legs to erase the cmos... never worked for me, but I'd probably get away with the microwave thing with 3 kids at home!!!
@ Olipro
If you mean the SD-card flashing, T-Mobile Holland doesn't have an update available. There is an T-Mobile Holland ROM available, but the image is older than the image installed on my phone. When checking the ROM in the white screen, it says not allow. I think i need ROM 1.21.114.3 from T-Mobile if I want to do the SD-card flash.
I only have access to the bootloader, I have bootloader 1.04, and I have access to KITL mode, but the Windows CE Platform Builder fix also doesn't work
@ ach2
I was thinking also something like that. That I hard reset my phone and now it's broke. I was also thinking something like I left my phone on the charger for the weekend, and when I came back I did a soft reset because it wouldn't go on and know I only see a HTC splash screen.
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When i try to start my phone, i see a HTC splashscreen, and thats it. Normally it start with a T-Mobile splashscreen. Can they see i tried flashing my phone, or is that an assumption they make.
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Can you think of a good reason whey the boot screen has changed from the normal T-Mobile one... just hope they don't turn on the phone. Did you try Olipro's suggestion?
@ Wam7
The T-Mobile splash screen is in the extended ROM. If the extended ROM is ****ed up like mine is, it probably goes back to its embedded splash screen, and that's the one from HTC. But thats not what I'm going to say, I'm going to say how should I know.
If I remember correctly a guy has managed to dump the ROM from a Hermes and flash it to the phone... saw a thread somewhere here. If that's the case then you should just need a ROM from a fellow dutch T-Mobile owner with the newer ROM. I take it your phone is not SuperCID
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@ Olipro
If you mean the SD-card flashing, T-Mobile Holland doesn't have an update available. There is an T-Mobile Holland ROM available, but the image is older than the image installed on my phone. When checking the ROM in the white screen, it says not allow. I think i need ROM 1.21.114.3 from T-Mobile if I want to do the SD-card flash.
I only have access to the bootloader, I have bootloader 1.04, and I have access to KITL mode, but the Windows CE Platform Builder fix also doesn't work
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if you have 1.04; run the RUU on your computer; you will get a "Vender ID Error" immediately ignore this and run the updater AGAIN (do not touch or unplug your PDA) after doing this a second time it will begin to flash
vayip said:
Well, i ****ed up my phone.
Trying to bring it back alive failed, so I'm going to bring it
back to T-Mobile.
Does someone know a very good lie I can tell them, so I don't have to pay for the repair.
When i try to start my phone, i see a HTC splashscreen, and thats it. Normally it start with a T-Mobile splashscreen. Can they see i tried flashing my phone, or is that an assumption they make.
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seriously this is why MS and Carriers HATE us
Olipro said:
if you have 1.04; run the RUU on your computer; you will get a "Vender ID Error" immediately ignore this and run the updater AGAIN (do not touch or unplug your PDA) after doing this a second time it will begin to flash
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I did what you said. I connected the phone to my laptop in bootloader. I started the RUU from WMXL 0.20. My phone goes to the white screen and at 0% i get a message on my laptop the connection got disconnected. So i start the RUU again, but again the message my connection got disconnected.
So still working on a good lie.
@vayip: sounds like a problem with the USB on your laptop. Try using a different computer. BL1.04 will let you flash any OS provided your NAND isn't full of bad blocks. You're a long way away from returning your device to Tmo IMO.
On the new computer:
direct USB connect to rear port only no usb hubs
pc running windows XP
turn off screensaver/Powersave mode
close all other apps
hands off the computer for the 25 minutes or so that it takes
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@vayip: sounds like a problem with the USB on your laptop. Try using a different computer. BL1.04 will let you flash any OS provided your NAND isn't full of bad blocks. You're a long way away from returning your device to Tmo IMO.[/list]
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Does it matter if the phone is simlocked or not. My phone is not SuperCID.
The strange thing than is, i have 2 laptops. Doing the upgrade don't work on both.
Will try a normal pc then. Maybe more luck.
Follow Oli's advice about retrying the update if you get an initial vendor ID error. BL1.04 will flash any rom without SuperCID due to a bug.
You might want to jump in with mtty first to see if your NAND is full of bad blocks. If it is then your device is toast fttb.....
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seriously this is why MS and Carriers HATE us
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I completely agree! If you ****ed up your device, than you should have the courage to stand up for it and if it was not your fault, than just tell them the truth! But suggestions like "put it in the microwave for 5secs".... come on
And just a small hint: If you (for example) really put it in the microwave, than you'll better pray that no technician ever analyses your device - if so you could get into serious trouble, mate.
Btw, if you microwave it, you probalby need a new microwave too.
Edit: And i dont think its warranty would cover "I just put my Phone in there"
"So still working on a good lie."
Doesn't breaking your phone through your own actions and then getting it repaired/ replaced for free by telling lies make you a liar and a thief?
I trashed 8525, and that sucks, but it was my fault so I have to pay for it.
In my adventures flashing Roms, I've only bricked 1 Hermes (Cingular 8525). I actually told the local Cingular shop that I broke it 2 weeks after I bought it. The manager told me to bring it in and she replaced it under the 30 day in-store return policy. I was suprised because I had caused the bad NAND Block problem on the device but she said that since I was able to get an official Cingular Rom flashed onto it and it booted into WM5 (just wouldn't do anything because of memory errors).
Now I also have a very good working relationship with this store. I've gotten a phone about every 6 months from them over tha past 2 years and have given them some great info regarding WM5 devices (reccomendations on screen protectors, software & cases etc). I have 3 lines (2 with Data) and even if they don't know me by name eveyone in the store knows me by reputation.
Tomorrow I will have my spare Hermes (also 8525) so we can begin experimenting with getting some additional storage memory without risking bricking my primary phone.
The way I see it, we are taking a chance when we modify our devices.
I've had to return 2 Wizards for Warranty replacement to Cingular, both were CID Unlocked but the problems were unrelated to flashing Roms (One was because the touch screen developed a dead spot the other was because of Radio hardware issues).
While walking a colleague thru his first WM6 upgrade last night, I happened to notice that my IPL had somewhere reverted to 1.00 Well, I just couldn't have that, and set out to re-up it to 1.04
Reflashed it to Vodafone OEM ROM, which for some reason also requires flashing any Radio Rom to get it past the Windows splash screen. Still showed IPL 1.00
Flashed it with the SIM-CIM unlock files, got the IPL up to 1.01
Next, still really wanting to get back to 1.04, and not being happy with a device that was running any and all ROMs I was throwing at it, I tried MTTY and tried to force 1.04nb on it, it wouldn't take it, but it didn't quit.
Then, about 4 am, I got really clever, took the 1.04.nb file, ran it thru nbhtool and made a .nbh file.
Put that on the SD card as HERMIMG.img, and fired up the bootloader.
The file flashed quickly, and gave me the Whoopie, it Worked message.
So, I removed the card, and did a soft reset. And that was the last thing the little guy ever did, reset to dead.
Good thing is our company has these things laying about like some companies have ball point pens, so getting replacement took just minutes.
Now I stick strictly to the guides, improvisation is best left for other folks.
This has been another in the continuing series "Noobs and our toys, how we break em".
... and you admit to the whole world that you are a total idiot?
... I'm convinced
You got balls kid, I'll give you that....
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Thanks for the excellent HOWTO
I'll try your procedure in a couple of months time when it's time to buy something more exciting (Toshiba Portégé G900, i-mate Ultimate 7150 or Nokia E90 -- which one shall it be?).
Actually you should have thanked him for the HowNOTTo!!
Not if you're looking for a good reason to buy another phone
simple said:
Actually you should have thanked him for the HowNOTTo!!
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That's kinda what I was going for... don't get too cocky too soon, and learn from my dorkup. And no, I don't mind admitting I bricked one, I know that many of the senior guys must have too at some point, there are those that have, and those that will.
One thing though, in the 4 or 5 months I've had a Hermes, it has been amazing to see the evolution in tools and utilities that have evolved. Now I just have to keep straight in my noob brain which tools are cross compatible.
This is exactly what happened to my hermes... I sent it to be repaired 2 months ago.. and it is still being repaired I don't know how on earth this can take so much time. They've been saying they are waiting for some "parts" for 5 weeks now :>
Isn't it a bit strange?
... special help.
I'm sorry, I'm really not tech savvy. I'm leaving for Europe in 2 days and I needed my 8525 unlocked so I could use an Italian SIM card while I'm there ... So I ran the program, the tri-color screen showed up on my phone and it's been there for a while. Does this step take a while or should I be worried about my phone? Now I did something stupid after. I accidentally closed the cmd screen with the instructions, so now it's back to "Rom Upgrade utility will start now, bla bla ... check the 'I understand' and 'I completed ...' boxes and update!" Now, those boxes haven't appeared, and it's been 15 minutes. At the beginning of this, the instruction said to make sure there's at least 50% of battery left, so I assume that means this step takes long and it's not that I've messed up? Please please help I'm kinda freaking out here ...
P.S. You guys are fantastic! Honestly ... thank you for this, and I promise I shall donate if this works. ;-)
OK, all the info you need is in the unbricking thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286755
Please read through the thread and it will help you to help yourself.
What is a "brick" [besides the orange-ish stuff we use to build homes] and why am I flashing my phone?
Also, I'm not sure which part of the process it's stuck in. It doesn't say anything about the tri-color screen?
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What is a "brick" [besides the orange-ish stuff we use to build homes] and why am I flashing my phone?
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Congratulations on that question....if you read the thread you will find out.
As I said I'm in leaving in 2 days, and there's 27 things on my to-do list. Reading that whole thread and learnign how to unlock my phone may take up hours which I don't have to spare right now.
I'd really appreciate it if someone would be willing to help, I will donate in exchange but if you can't and all the advice you have to offer is "search the threads" then ... well, I'd be quite disappointed but I guess it'll do.
Now, if you're feeling too irritable to help, please, for the sake of someone who is already nearing a nervous breakdown, is it safe for me to unplug my phone right now (with the tri-color screen still active on the phone) and soft-reset it, or will it risk messing up my phone ... which means I should leave it alone?
Thanks a million.
You're a star.
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As I said I'm in leaving in 2 days, and there's 27 things on my to-do list. Reading that whole thread and learnign how to unlock my phone may take up hours which I don't have to spare right now.
I'd really appreciate it if someone would be willing to help, I will donate in exchange but if you can't and all the advice you have to offer is "search the threads" then ... well, I'd be quite disappointed but I guess it'll do.
Now, if you're feeling too irritable to help, please, for the sake of someone who is already nearing a nervous breakdown, is it safe for me to unplug my phone right now (with the tri-color screen still active on the phone) and soft-reset it, or will it risk messing up my phone ... which means I should leave it alone?
Thanks a million.
You're a star.
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Right then, what text is displayed on the bootloader screen? (the tri colour screen you are on now)
At the very top, there's a red box that takes up 1/4 of the screen.
It says:
HERM100
IPL-SSPL by Des
HERM100
SPL-1.09.ds
The second 1/4 of the screen below the red is green, followed by blue, then at the very bottom a white block that says "USB".
Thank you. Sorry I've just got so much to deal with right now ... I didn't mean to snap.
Soft reset the device, see if it boots up normally.
It did boot up normally, it's working fine now.
Shall I restart the process or leave it be?
probably best to leave it be, when you get back from your holiday take some time to read through the wiki and the relevant threads before continuing. If you read up you will know what to expect and what to do if the unexpected happens, will save the panic
My holiday's going to be until September the 17th. I need the phone ... for the holiday. So I can get local numbers wherever I go. :-/
Best thing might be to buy a right POS mobile there?
Thanks ... figured it out. :-D
I did have a backup POS phone, too ... this one's just the one I keep if I wanna stay organized, pretty important on a trip.
Its not that hard to SIM unlock a hermes there is a sticky I believe with the app or just search for hermes CID unlocking. make sure you choose to SIM unlock not CID. hell run both CID and SIM unlock won't hurt anything. also before you do anything flash SPL7 on your phone if you don't know what it is search also!
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Its not that hard to SIM unlock a hermes there is a sticky I believe with the app or just search for hermes CID unlocking. make sure you choose to SIM unlock not CID. hell run both CID and SIM unlock won't hurt anything. also before you do anything flash SPL7 on your phone if you don't know what it is search also!
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Austinsync,
Now I am confused and obviously need to read even more but if you could spare a few moments then you'd save me a great deal of time. I already have HardSPL(7) from OliPro and thought that this had effecively CID unlocked my device to allow me to flash non-T-Mobile (my provider) ROMs onto the device- I checked and Olipro lists SuperCID as a core Hard-SPL feature.
I have seen lots of SIM and CID unlocking and understand that but has the HardSPL effectively rendered much of that advice on CID unlocking advice unecessary? I have seen someone (on the WM6 Hermes Forum) indicate that HardSPL 'temporarily' CID unlocked the device!
Any comments welcome - just hope I've not been too lapse in only reading about a thousand pages...
So I've been a silent observer and massive leach on this forum for sometime, and I've felt like I should try to contribute something back to the community. I can't program ****, I'm little more than an adv. newb at this point. But I do understand how to flash roms, where to find things on the forum, Hard SPL, radio upgrades, REg edit, and all manner of things that most noobs don't. So the way I would like to give back to the community as a whole is to try to answer questions, ANY questions noobs might have without flaming them. My hope is that alot of the questions that annoy our senior members can be directed here, and I can help people find the answers to their questions. I usually check in 2 or 3 times a day, and as long as the traffic doesn't get overwhelming I'll do my best to help.
Thanks to all the chefs, Moderators, and senior members who contribute so much to keep me crack addicted to my stupid cell phone.
where can I find a threaded "palm" like sms application?
totally kidding, this is the most asked question on here i think.
I think rather than do a Q and A, see if you can post step by step "noob" questions defining the differences between hardSPL, radios, ... and why everyone talks about them.
That would be a good bit of information that we can add to the wiki. Just define the key words everyone talks about or something. Personally, I have flashed a few roms on my 8525s but still dont read enough to determine why people like the older radios vs the 1.48. and why some roms dont have radio and such vs ones that do. That alone would be beneficial to me.
GOD you guys are idiots, fricking n00bs.. USE THE SEARCH! ..
j/k ..
Radio
hoyter said:
where can I find a threaded "palm" like sms application?. Personally, I have flashed a few roms on my 8525s but still dont read enough to determine why people like the older radios vs the 1.48. and why some roms dont have radio and such vs ones that do. That alone would be beneficial to me.
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From what I can tell people some people use older radios for several reasons.
1st Flashing the radio is potentially extremely perilous. It's not hard to do but if something goes wrong it CAN potentially brick your phone. Even if you have Hard SPL. Therefore some tend to be more conservative about flashing their radios. Roms are available without the radio for this reason as well, it's less dangerous and people have varying opinions about which radio is best
2nd which radio is best for you seems to depend somewhat on what area you live in, what service you have, and whether battery life or performance is more important to you. Their are various opinnions about which radio version is better but they all seem somewhat subjective. PEople report better signal strength with one version or another, or better battery life with one version or another. But from what I can tell 1.48 and 1.40.3 seem to be two of the favorites. 1.48 because it's new and doesn't seem to be causing TOO many problems, and 1.40.3 because its tested and most haven't had trouble with it.
Hope this helps.
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GOD you guys are idiots, fricking n00bs.. USE THE SEARCH! ..
j/k ..
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You JUST couldn't resist could you!
ok, so i just got my 8525 saturday, havent done much of anything, just got around to putting all of my contacts into outlook and syncing onto my phone. i want to get to the point where i can check out different roms and what not, so i started with the hardsplv7 installation, and two tries in a row i got an error regarding my device not being connected via usb correctly or something, yet im clearly connected because i just synced and such. help a dude out
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ok, so i just got my 8525 saturday, havent done much of anything, just got around to putting all of my contacts into outlook and syncing onto my phone. i want to get to the point where i can check out different roms and what not, so i started with the hardsplv7 installation, and two tries in a row i got an error regarding my device not being connected via usb correctly or something, yet im clearly connected because i just synced and such. help a dude out
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Well since I like the idea of a flameproof zone, I will jump in here as well. Before you even consider posting a total newb question you should have read a couple of dozen posts, just like yours. Because then you would know that you would get flamed for not posting all of the important information. Are you using XP or Vista? what radio version are you using, what bootloader did your phone come with. What IPL/SPL?
my bad, IPL-1.01, SPL-1.40 Olipro. XP
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You JUST couldn't resist could you!
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yeah my moneys with Madcap180, i saw this posted a day or so ago and wondered how long till loweryr gets the ****s with the nooby questions.
Have you tried this?
mattblaxin said:
my bad, IPL-1.01, SPL-1.40 Olipro. XP
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Check out this site by Mrvanx he has put a lot of work into helping people out
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=27
There are detailed instructions on how to do this. AND it's very important that you do. Don't give up if you have problems getting hardspl as I'm sure you already know it makes flashing ROMS much safer.
st3v3 said:
yeah my moneys with Madcap180, i saw this posted a day or so ago and wondered how long till loweryr gets the ****s with the nooby questions.
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There has hardly been any action here for weeks. So at this rate I'll be on to my next phone before I get "the ****s with the nooby questions" But your right if it takes off I'll probably regret it
alright, learned a lot in the last...day or so, flashed olipro finally, tried out some roms, settling with jasjammins black majik for the time being, and flashed radio 1.50. now time to figure out some more cool things to jump into
okay, the sim and cid unlocker is confusing the hell out of me... if i've installed hardspl 2.10 olipro and it enables supercid, then why do i need to unlock the sim or the cid...? do i need to use the unlocker in order to upgrade my rom to a new one...? i'm using an at&t 8525...
thanks for this thread by the way... sometimes i just need things to be explained in a plain clear fashion from people who know how to use the english language and sometimes when i read things on here the english language is butchered and things don't come across right and becomes confusing... i'm just looking for simple answers to simple questions...
from what ive gathered so far, olipro basically puts the device into a temporary supercid mode when flashing so you wont run the risk of bricking the phone via a corrupted cid, so i dont know why one would need to be permanently cid unlocked. And as far as sim unlocking, that is so that u can use ur phone with any carrier using sim cards, att, tmobile, etc. and if u have the 8525 and are using cingular i dont see why u would need to sim unlock unless ive missed something as im still a "noob" to a lot of this stuff but im workin on it
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from what ive gathered so far, olipro basically puts the device into a temporary supercid mode when flashing so you wont run the risk of bricking the phone via a corrupted cid, so i dont know why one would need to be permanently cid unlocked. And as far as sim unlocking, that is so that u can use ur phone with any carrier using sim cards, att, tmobile, etc. and if u have the 8525 and are using cingular i dont see why u would need to sim unlock unless ive missed something as im still a "noob" to a lot of this stuff but im workin on it
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Sounds like you have a good grasp of the concepts you mentioned.
bashing posts have been deleted. I have no tolerance for newbie bashing, especially on this thread which is specifically titled. I will start handing out bans if I see this again
mattblaxin said:
from what ive gathered so far, olipro basically puts the device into a temporary supercid mode when flashing so you wont run the risk of bricking the phone via a corrupted cid, so i dont know why one would need to be permanently cid unlocked. And as far as sim unlocking, that is so that u can use ur phone with any carrier using sim cards, att, tmobile, etc. and if u have the 8525 and are using cingular i dont see why u would need to sim unlock unless ive missed something as im still a "noob" to a lot of this stuff but im workin on it
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yeah, i'm still a noob more or less, but it's getting better... it's just some of this stuff is a little complicated and i like to see things done on a step by step basis, like a cookbook... here is the recipe and here are the ingredients and here is how you put them altogether and viola, a fine dish...
okay, i understand about the temp supercid when flash thanks to hardspl 2.10 olipro... i don't know why someone would need to have a permanently unlocked cid either, since i can't seem to find an explanation as to what a cid unlock will get you... a sim unlock i understand fully about moving the phone to other networks via a sim... i'm just interested in knowing if i have to do anything besides run hardspl 2.10 olipro to upgrade to a new rom...
im running with att, got my 8525 on ebay already unlocked with an older version of olipro installed and the black shadow rom. I flashed to the newest version of olipro (after a few difficulties with the 260 error which i havent really had since), flashed to a newer radio (1.50) and tried like 5 different roms. I have no idea if my phone is perma sid unlocked. If u want some step by step recipe type directions check out the mrvanx website and read one of the guides for installing one of the roms which are on there, starts off with installing olipro and goes thru till the end, and if the guide isnt dealing with the rom u want just substitute the one u want in
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im running with att, got my 8525 on ebay already unlocked with an older version of olipro installed and the black shadow rom. I flashed to the newest version of olipro (after a few difficulties with the 260 error which i havent really had since), flashed to a newer radio (1.50) and tried like 5 different roms. I have no idea if my phone is perma sid unlocked. If u want some step by step recipe type directions check out the mrvanx website and read one of the guides for installing one of the roms which are on there, starts off with installing olipro and goes thru till the end, and if the guide isnt dealing with the rom u want just substitute the one u want in
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right... i went to mrvanx' site and read the instruction 10 times over... seems straight enough... i'm going to try out the tnt 2.0 6 meg+htc rom, but i wanted to start from scratch with the phone... right now i'm a little stuck... i tried a hard reset just to get everything back to where it was, but i don't think i'm doing it right or the at&t 8525 that i have (which is brand new from at&t) isn't giving me the screen i need to be seeing according to the wiki... the wiki states that if you want to hard reset, hold down the 2 softkeys (the two keys on the left and the right at the top of the keyboard) and press the reset switch with your stylus at the bottom of your device, then you should be presented with a screen that says 'R' for reset or 'X' for exit... i didn't get that screen at all, but it does do a reset (apparently), but my name and contacts are still intact... i thought a hard reset was a total wipe of the device... maybe i'm wrong...?
also, i go to the bootloader screen and it says herm100 ipl-1.04 and below that it says herm100 spl-2.10.olipro... most confusing...
okay... here is an update on the hard reset... i instead went into the clear settings applet and hard reset that way... however, when i do a bootloader screen check, it still says ipl-1.04 and spl-2.1.olipro... i thought it would change everything back... so now it is all clear... i'll reformat my minisd card to fat32 and then i'll install the new tnt 2.0 and see what happens... i'll keep you up to date on any issues...
Okay today I intentionally bricked my phone. Not once, not twice, but 6 times with three bad ROM's (long boring day) and pulled the USB during the flashing at around 20%-95% as well as other no,no's
The experiment. To see how fast, and what I would use to unbrick it. Now being stuck in an all white screen or bootloader might bring fear or tears to some, but what I discovered is probably the best and easiest way to get your phone back to life in a relatively short amount of time.
If this has been covered before or mentioned elsewhere I didn't see it so I apologize if thats the case.
After I bricked each time I simply hooked up the usb cable to my pc. As you know when you are bricked or stuck in a loader Active Sync does not launch. What I found was that if you use a factory WM6 AT&T ROM it will still connect via usb and will flash said ROM 100% of the time restoring you're phone to a working state.
Now I did this 6 times today and it worked every time. I mean I really f'd with this second phone unplugging, Task Manager'd out during a flash, hard reset during a flash, etc. Every time it worked.
Hope this helps.
Well, you have been only lucky for 1 reason:
You always 'bricked' your device when it was in the middle of flashing the OS! This does not really matter as long as BOOTLOADER and CID are intact!
Do the same experiment but this time pull the plug at 15% and you will most likely fail to recover from that! At around 15% is the moment where the CID block gets written to the phones ROM.
Be very carefully that you do not 'brick' your device earlier because of in the state before 15% IPL and SPL are getting flashed! If you destroy the bootloader you can't do anything anymore!
If you are going to try that out please flash your phone first with the nbh from the CINGULAR WM5 (it is in the wiki) by using CustomRUU! CINGULAR WM5 has KITL enabled and you will be able to 'unbrick' your device by using the GUIDE in the WIKI.
I WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE IF YOU BREAK YOUR DEVICE TO A POINT OF NO RECOVERY POSSIBLE!
CID block is never written to the phone, it's just an area of storage inside the GSM chip.
however, if incomplete code is flashed to the GSM chip, the radio AT interface cant' boot... and then there's no way of talking to it, hence making it now dead.
On a different note, if the Radio Bootloader is in the middle of flashing (although I believe 0108 is persistent) and the connection is broken, you're now royally ****ed.
So, the GSM chip is not in the phone then?
<just kidding!>
However,
pulling the plug around 15% will most likely end in a brick! That was where I had my pc crash - thankfully KITL was enabled!
Tried again
Okay I did this at 12% and then at 16% (could not time it right for 15%) and I was able to recover. If I am just one lucky bastard, and this is highly against the odds, I would say don't do this on purpose like me.
My only point of the experiment was to see if I was to ever brick, at least I knew of one possibility that would recover it. And when looking at it like that it was a success.
Now that all is back to normal, I have HARD SPL.7 and have no issues.
ihavetinyballs said:
Okay I did this at 12% and then at 16% (could not time it right for 15%) and I was able to recover. If I am just one lucky bastard, and this is highly against the odds, I would say don't do this on purpose like me.
My only point of the experiment was to see if I was to ever brick, at least I knew of one possibility that would recover it. And when looking at it like that it was a success.
Now that all is back to normal, I have HARD SPL.7 and have no issues.
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HARD SPL? try a different SPL and then try it again...
Oh yeah... Try to kill your bootloader too... And if it's like one of my devices
(HTC Charmer with a black screen... Only the power led lights up for half a second when I press the power button)
then try to flash your "holy" rom
eh, i don't understand why people call it bricking if only the OS needs a reflash
I wasn't clear. The phone was never hard SPL'd till after the experiment when I decided to lock the ***** up to keep it safe from doing more stupid stuff. The os flash wasn't all I crashed out on. I did this with this on purpose with the radio versions as well.
ihavetinyballs said:
I wasn't clear. The phone was never hard SPL'd till after the experiment when I decided to lock the ***** up to keep it safe from doing more stupid stuff. The os flash wasn't all I crashed out on. I did this with this on purpose with the radio versions as well.
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then you are crazy
There are 2 possible explanations for your "luck":
Either the ROM you're flashing contains nothing but the OS and maybe the EXTENDED ROM in which case it does not really matter if you pull the plug because of your BOOTLOADER and GSM will remain intact or your FLASHING UTILITY 'ignors' the BOOTLOADER / GSM flash and writes only the OS and EXTENDED (which would have the same effect as case 1 when pulling the plug!).
However,
flashing an entire ROM takes a while, especially between 12% and 30% if you flash IPL / SPL / SPLASH / GSM / OS / EXTENDED - there is enough time to pull the plug at 15% because of it takes almost a minute until it jumps to 16% ...
I don't want to animate you to try that out because of sooner or later you will brick the device for sure!
Can you host the ROM file + flashing utility you used for your experiments, so, that we can download it and take a closer look?
ihavetinyballs said:
I wasn't clear. The phone was never hard SPL'd till after the experiment when I decided to lock the ***** up to keep it safe from doing more stupid stuff. The os flash wasn't all I crashed out on. I did this with this on purpose with the radio versions as well.
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The world belongs to renegades and mavericks...
I did it with TNT's latest as well as VP3G 3.62
OK I'll bite where is WM6 AT&T ROM?
I have a bircked phone tytn (tried to unsucessfully unbrick around 50 times), not sure why or where it bricked.
Can reload but sticks at screen alignemnt EVERY TIME.
Was given as a challenge (failed so far).
If I could find this and it worked I be happy chappy long time.
If it works of mine it will work on anyone's.
Give it up dudes (or duedess if there is one out there).
Here is the secret. Use the bundled WM5 Cingular ROM from HTCs download site.
ihavetinyballs said:
Here is the secret. Use the bundled WM5 Cingular ROM from HTCs download site.
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Do you have a link, filename or even better can post on Rapidshare?
Edit: btw, the moniker is hilarious!
rob8 said:
Do you have a link, filename or even better can post on Rapidshare?
Edit: btw, the moniker is hilarious!
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He gave you the info you need. Go to HTC's site. Or use google.
K since i took the time to post this I might as well link it.
Go to the bottom of this page.
It is about time to give out a WARNING !!!
People, do not try to brick your device and trust in that you can recover from that by using the ROM from the HTC's website! This is not a magic tool and it won't bring your Hermes back to life if your device is really screwed up! There is nothing in the Cingular ROM what 'magically' does the trick! IHAVETINYBALLS was either just lucky or he isn't really bricking his device (consciously or unconsciously).
If you do not believe me ask other senior members with lots of experiences, such as OliP ...
However, I know there is no way of stopping fools to do foolish things, so, go ahead, destroy your expensive toy! You can always find a new one on eBay ... !
For all the retards who don't get it. (meaning the point)
To the dip**** retards who don't get the point. Like I said, I am probably just lucky. And like I said again, DO NOT try this unless your phone is stuck and ****ed, it was just an experiment. I have two 8525's one I bought as a refurb from AT&T for $99 and another one that was from an angry owner who threw it away at the AT&T store (as it was bricked and now "useless") and I pulled it from the garbage bin. Recovered it (just did a hard reset and put in a new battery and factory ROM and did a few experiments.
It didn't cost me anything and I did put a warning out there. The point of it all was that if you give up on bringing it back to life, maybe just maybe you should try this out.
Obviously if your phone is working just fine, don't do this or your a ****ing retard. Its meant for bricked or stuck phones as a possible recovery as it worked on said phone numerous times in various states of bad flashing and various types of ROMs.
This phone is now running vp3G 3.62 and now has HARD SPL.7, and Radio 1.54.07 and is running flawlessly.
So one mans brick/stuck frustration is making for an excellent spare / backup for me.
trying now
ok - have hybrid brick (no KITL, screwed CID and radio)
if everyone crosses their fingers at the same time maybe it will help???
will post back results!
Bugger
thanks for giving me hope! but alas...no good
hopefully someone else can figure out how to get back from a hybrid brick of no KITL and SPL 1.09