Hi,
I just got an HTC Touch Pro (Euro version not the Fuze). I pulled my T-mobile sim card from my T-mobile G1 with the U.S. T-mobile 3g plan and popped it in my new HTC Touch Pro. And can not get 3g. I've searched quite a bit through this forum and have noticed that this may not be possible from what others are saying however, many of those comments are dated and I was curious if there is any new progress on this front. Or if anyone has U.S. T-mobile 3g working on the ATT fuze?
Thanks for your time.
It's not possible to get 3G with T-Mobile in the US using the Touch Pro/Fuze. This is because T-Mobile uses the 1700Mhz band for their 3G. Currently VERY limited phones have this band built it. The G1 does, but that's about it for 'smartphones'.
It's a hardware and not a software issue.
This topic has been discussed AT LENGTH for the last 3 months. There is a thread already on this topic so please discuss this there.
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So I purchased a UK unlocked Touch Pro and had it shipped to the US. While I hope there will be an ATT radio rom flash in the future, I have a quick question for the veterans out there:
On the Touch Pro, under the Phone Band settings, you can select "GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)"
When I do this all I receive is Edge on ATT, but aren't the UMTS bands correct already for ATT under this setting?
ajk1116 said:
So I purchased a UK unlocked Touch Pro and had it shipped to the US. While I hope there will be an ATT radio rom flash in the future, I have a quick question for the veterans out there:
On the Touch Pro, under the Phone Band settings, you can select "GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)"
When I do this all I receive is Edge on ATT, but aren't the UMTS bands correct already for ATT under this setting?
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There are several threads on this topic already...Here's one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410945
Thanks, I appreciate the reply, but I had read through that thread. I understand that the device is likely in need of a reprogrammed ROM to activate the hardware because at the end of the day it is not working. My question is specifically if the phone setting is allowing me to select the two ATT UMTS bands already why wouldn't I get 3G speed?
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Thanks, I appreciate the reply, but I had read through that thread. I understand that the device is likely in need of a reprogrammed ROM to activate the hardware because at the end of the day it is not working. My question is specifically if the phone setting is allowing me to select the two ATT UMTS bands already why wouldn't I get 3G speed?
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I have the UK version of the phone as well and I have the same issue. I have selected the right bands for both UMTS and GSM but all I get is EDGE. The reason for this is either a hardware limitation (no radio antenna to support 850/1900 UMTS bands (let's hope not) or the factory installed radio firmware does not include those bands or all those da#@ iPhone 3G users are hogging all the UMTS bandwidth . Hopefully all we need is to flash a new radio or ROM to unlock these bands. Just because you can select this band in phone settings does not mean the radio or hardware support it.
I guess I am crossing my fingers along with you . Thanks!
See my thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418000
Even though this is for T-Mobile im sure if tmo gets unlocked att will to. Watch that and post there if someone cracks it they will post on that thread.
I have a question for the guys only getting EDGE when they have the correct bands set.......do you have a 3G enabled SIM card? (aka a USIM, some networks require you use one for the 3G to be utilised correctly).
Hi, in answer to your question, yes I have a 3G compatible SIM. I literally plucked it out of my TyTN 2/ TILT and put it in to the Touch Pro. The Touch Pro automatically found the ATT network, and when I went in to check bands I realized that there was an option for the US UMTS bands. I am guessing that others have been right when they have stated that just because there is a menu option it doesn't mean the radios are properly enabled.
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Hi, in answer to your question, yes I have a 3G compatible SIM. I literally plucked it out of my TyTN 2/ TILT and put it in to the Touch Pro. The Touch Pro automatically found the ATT network, and when I went in to check bands I realized that there was an option for the US UMTS bands. I am guessing that others have been right when they have stated that just because there is a menu option it doesn't mean the radios are properly enabled.
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So currently you are using a HTC branded Raphael? Could you post your ROM/Radio details? (device info in settings/system) Also your ROM build (settings/system->about)?
mrvanx said:
So currently you are using a HTC branded Raphael? Could you post your ROM/Radio details? (device info in settings/system) Also your ROM build (settings/system->about)?
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I have a 3G enabled SIM, been using it with the Kaiser for the past year with good 3G reception. I now have the HTC branded Raph (UK version) with no 3G reception, only EDGE. Here's the info on my ROM/Radio:
ROM: 1.90.405.1 WWE (8/1/08)
Build: 19965.1.2.3
Radio: 1.02.25.19
OK so it seems the only radios actually in these Raphaels at the moment are all 1.02.25.19, once we have a decent way to flash a different radio stack to it we can see if it makes any difference both in the bands available and some of the reception issues we are seeing so far.
I'm not an expert in this area at all, far from it, but but was reading Black's post about his AT&T model and he has 1.01.25.16. Is this what you're going to flash it to once the HardSPL is completed given that you know his radio supports AT&T 3G?
I'm trying to keep up...
Has anybody heard an ETA for Hardspl? I know they where testing it. But any rumors on a timeframe?
My new UK Touch Pro (radio ver 1.02.25.19) is exhibiting this same behavior on AT&T... I have tried all combinations of those dropdowns under phone options without any luck. It does seem very strange that HTC put the US 3G bands in the band dropdown, but included radio software that doesn't support it...
... Why would HTC bother removing hardware supported bands in the software?
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My new UK Touch Pro (radio ver 1.02.25.19) is exhibiting this same behavior on AT&T... I have tried all combinations of those dropdowns under phone options without any luck. It does seem very strange that HTC put the US 3G bands in the band dropdown, but included radio software that doesn't support it...
... Why would HTC bother removing hardware supported bands in the software?
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Because they couldn't get it working well enough in time for the release date, I guess. Similar to what appears to have been the case with the Diamond. The US isn't their main concern at the moment, so delaying a US-compatible version for now in or der to get it to the rest of the world on time.
Either that or it's deliberate act to slow down the grey imports until they do a proper US release in hand with the local carriers.
If AT&T doesn't want to subsidize the Pro/Diamond, HTC doesn't really have to worry about putting in 1900 support. And honestly, AT&T is too busy with the iPhone 3G to care about HTC.
On the other hand, I'm sure HTC is very interested in getting in on T-mo 3G (1700/2100). By downplaying 1900 (which is being eaten up by the iPhone, anyway), HTC can gear up for the fresh 1700/2100 band. Paired with Android, HTC could potentially gain a big chunk of US 3G networks.
I'm a touch pro user in Canada on the Rogers network. I too hope that HTC releases a radio that allows 3g network access. I don't think its a hardware limitation because it wouldn't really make sense to make two versions of the same phone just to disable parts of the radio.
I disagree with the statement that AT&T is too busy with the iPhone 3G to care about the Touch Pro. The fact is that the target audience for the two phones are entirely different and that a considerable amount of AT&T corporate customers still require their employees to use PPC based phones (even if the iPhone 3G supports email push).
Corporate standards don't usually move as quickly as they should, so of course AT&T is interested in extracting more money from customers that purchased a Tilt over the past 8 months and want to upgrade, but are not allowed to use an iPhone.
If HTC removed support because they were unable to get the software functioning properly, I can live with that. EDGE for a few months while HTC readies a new radio software package is fine... EDGE while HTC readies new hardware is not.
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If AT&T doesn't want to subsidize the Pro/Diamond, HTC doesn't really have to worry about putting in 1900 support. And honestly, AT&T is too busy with the iPhone 3G to care about HTC.
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If AT&T weren't interesting in pushing the Touch Pro, HTC wouldn't have went to the trouble and expense of making a specific hardware revision (PTT button) for them. That's not something HTC are gonna do just for the hell of it on a quiet Sunday afternoon.
Maybe I didn't read the thread well enough but did you try and flash the AT&T ROM that was posted? Maybe that might work!
I'm in a position where I'm getting rid of my iphone 3GS since my IT department at work refuses to enable them and currently my company pays my cell phone bill through their corporate AT&T plan.
I've found a great deal where I can turn a bit of profit while getting a Hero in place of my iphone (which for some reason my Exchange team will allow on the network) but I have some pretty show-stopper questions that I hope some of you can answer for me.
Here is a somewhat short list of questions that I just can't seem to find answers to.
- Will an HTC Hero run on AT&T's 3G network?
- Are there major technical problems with the phone I should be aware of?
Well.... those are really my only two questions that are REALLY making me scared to take this leap back into the Android world. I absolutely loved my G1, but it had to go when I moved to AT&T for my phone since it wouldn't run on the 3G network.
Currently no Hero works with AT&T 3G network. European and Asian version 3G is incompatible (hardware, no firmware can fix that) with AT&T's 3G network, while Sprint's verion is incompatible with AT&T at all (Sprint is a CDMA network).
But there is a new GSM version coming soon to Canada's Telus which will work on AT&T's 3G network (require carrier unlocking, I assume)
http://www.telusmobility.com/en/ON/network/devices.shtml
Hi I am looking into getting a Hero. I was wondering what version of the Hero would work with the US 3G network on TMobile or AT&T. I have both services but would prefer to use this on TMobile. And how hard is it to get the phone working on the US carriers?
No 3G on both networks; EDGE only. Take a SIM, put it into the phone, voila.
Edit: I apologize for my bluntness. It's just this question has been asked ten thousand times too many :[
Not quite correct!
The Telus Hero (available in Canada) uses the correct bands for AT&T. You are still SOL on T-Mobile US though!
Regards,
Dave
Groupon has a deal for the S5 that says it's for "Verizon and GSM Unlocked":
https://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-samsung-galaxy-s5-smartphones
Is there any way to tell what model # this is? I'm guessing that it is a generic S5 and not the T-Mobile specific SM-G900T. If that's true, then it likely doesn't have the TMo specific LTE frequencies needed for full service (I'm in the Chicago area), correct?
I really hate having to find special versions of GSM devices to make full use of T-Mobile's network...
<TAP><TAP> Is this thing on???
Unlocked for all Verizon and GSM carriers.
On the same page --> https://www.groupon.com/pages/groupon-deal-images-gg-gsm-providers
Only thing is that it probably will not be compatible with WiFi calling features, but I could be wrong.
I know it would work but I was curious about whether it was the same model they sell via T-Mobile that has their unique frequency bands (1900/2100 I believe). Groupon responded to an inquiry and said it was a Verizon model so while I can't confirm it, I'm guessing it doesn't have the extra bands needed to fully make use of T-Mobile's LTE network so it would likely drop down to HPDPA+ in many locations.
According to the reviews, its a Verizon branded phone. A couple of the reviews are from T-mo users and they claimed to have issues with the sim/network not going to LTE, instead it uses their HSPA network.
If it was me, I would not buy this. It is cheap yea, but remember that the S5 is not compatible with the new band 12.
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The Chicago area isn't getting band 12 anyways, not anytime soon that is.
I'm using a Verizon S5 with a T-mobile rom and it works perfect 4g lte and all If you end up getting it just root it then look at my view forum posts.
I have been reading a lot of different things about doing this with no definitive answer. It looks like, as of recently, it should be as simple as popping in the sprint Sim card and it should work but I want to be sure before hand. Are there any downsides at all about using tmobile Note 8 on Sprint?
Hi there, I'm not sure but Sprint SIM cards are lock. You can try and see, I had Sprint before and try using there SIM card in my unlock tmobile Galaxy S7 Edge running the unlock S7 Edge firmware, it keep reconfiguring over and over. Maybe you might get better than me.
cmdauria said:
I have been reading a lot of different things about doing this with no definitive answer. It looks like, as of recently, it should be as simple as popping in the sprint Sim card and it should work but I want to be sure before hand. Are there any downsides at all about using tmobile Note 8 on Sprint?
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Sprint doesn't allow other carriers phones on their network. Unlocked or not. T-Mobile does though...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-8/help/cdma-unlock-verizon-note-8-sprint-t3732364
First question would be: Does Sprint allow to use their SIM cards within non-Sprint devices? That I can't answer. Because I never used Sprint services.
The second question is: Would the T-Mobile radios work with Sprint? LTE radios would most likely work if Sprint allows you to use their SIM card with that device. When LTE is weak or not available the answer is: No. The active radios within T-Mobile and even AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 are both LTE and GSM (Both 3G and 4G). Both Sprint and Verizon uses LTE and CDMA (each has their own CDMA) radios. You can't use GSM radios with Sprint and Verizon right now. Though that will end up changing as CDMA gets phased out.
To top things off each GSM carrier maybe using different frequencies with some (but not all) of their GSM radios. So changing a cellular device from a GSM carrier to another GSM carrier may have limits with GSM services.
Sprint and Verizon services have problems with international areas (outside of the USA) where LTE is weak or no LTE. The reason is that CDMA is very limit or doesn't exist in most international areas (outside of the USA). The areas that CDMA still works internationally (outside of the USA) will be phased out (mostly in the near future). Only a few places outside of the USA, like China, would CDMA not be phased out so quickly. But CDMA will end up completing phased out all together sometime in future (including in the US).
If you want to be truly Global then go for carriers that have both GSM and LTE, like T-Mobile, AT&T, etc. Then once you unlock the SIM then you can use your carrier's roaming (which don't need SIM unlock) or switch the SIM card with a carrier in that country to get service internationally. Just a side note: T-Mobile does have Unlimited 3G international roaming without any extra cost (this is subject to the type of plan you have with T-Mobile).
The only way this would work for you is if the CDMA radio is built into all Note 8 devices. If so then you just need to flash the correct radio firmware to active the correct carrier radios. But I don't believe this is the case. And this wouldn't solve the Sprint SIM lock issue.
The short answer is no. Read this thread. I thought you could just pop in an activated SIM, but it's not that simple.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-8/help/cdma-unlock-verizon-note-8-sprint-t3732364
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First question would be: Does Sprint allow to use their SIM cards within non-Sprint devices? That I can't answer. Because I never used Sprint services.
The second question is: Would the T-Mobile radios work with Sprint? LTE radios would most likely work if Sprint allows you to use their SIM card with that device. When LTE is weak or not available the answer is: No. The active radios within T-Mobile and even AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 8 are both LTE and GSM (Both 3G and 4G). Both Sprint and Verizon uses LTE and CDMA (each has their own CDMA) radios. You can't use GSM radios with Sprint and Verizon right now. Though that will end up changing as CDMA gets phased out.
To top things off each GSM carrier maybe using different frequencies with some (but not all) of their GSM radios. So changing a cellular device from a GSM carrier to another GSM carrier may have limits with GSM services.
Sprint and Verizon services have problems with international areas (outside of the USA) where LTE is weak or no LTE. The reason is that CDMA is very limit or doesn't exist in most international areas (outside of the USA). The areas that CDMA still works internationally (outside of the USA) will be phased out (mostly in the near future). Only a few places outside of the USA, like China, would CDMA not be phased out so quickly. But CDMA will end up completing phased out all together sometime in future (including in the US).
If you want to be truly Global then go for carriers that have both GSM and LTE, like T-Mobile, AT&T, etc. Then once you unlock the SIM then you can use your carrier's roaming (which don't need SIM unlock) or switch the SIM card with a carrier in that country to get service internationally. Just a side note: T-Mobile does have Unlimited 3G international roaming without any extra cost (this is subject to the type of plan you have with T-Mobile).
The only way this would work for you is if the CDMA radio is built into all Note 8 devices. If so then you just need to flash the correct radio firmware to active the correct carrier radios. But I don't believe this is the case. And this wouldn't solve the Sprint SIM lock issue.
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ALL US Note 8s (N950U and N950U1) are identical. Same radios. Same hardware. Same everything. Only difference is the preloaded firmware. I actually think the Canadian Note 8s (N950W are the same, too, sonce they can run the N950U firmware).
So it's not an issue of missing a CDMA radio. It's an issue that Sprint will not accept the IMEI for another carrier branded Note 8 (or S8/+). You can only activate Sprint or Factory Unlocked devices on Sprint.
As Note 8 has both GSM and CDMA capabilities, why shouldn't an unlock T-Mobile work with Sprint?
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As Note 8 has both GSM and CDMA capabilities, why shouldn't an unlock T-Mobile work with Sprint?
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Sprint won't accept any devices on their network unlocked or not if they came from any other carrier. Sprint only allows Sprint phones and factory unlocked devices. Its Sprint, they suck.
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Sprint doesn't allow other carriers phones on their network. Unlocked or not. T-Mobile does though...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-8/help/cdma-unlock-verizon-note-8-sprint-t3732364
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Sprint won't accept any devices on their network unlocked or not if they came from any other carrier. Sprint only allows Sprint phones and factory unlocked devices. Its Sprint, they suck.
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i just switched my tmobile note 8 to sprint today, lol..
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ilikebigjugs88 said:
i just switched my tmobile note 8 to sprint today, lol..
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On Sprints website it still does not list the tmo note 8 as compatible for BYOD. It says only the note 8 special edition is. However it is not unlikely they stopped blocking the other U.S. carrier versions. People have gotten devices to activate in the past, but with minimal network functionality. Is your Note 8 fully utilizing the LTE network?
Either way this thread brings trouble so its now closed
Sprint allows sprint capable devices such as clean sprint,Boost and such and subsidiaries that run on sprint only.
@cp1024 @Gizmoe
The Special Edition devices are the ones sold directly by Samsung as factory-unlocked models. Samsung over the years has used the term inconsistently across their site and marketing materials.
Only Sprint calls them "Special Edition", otherwise they are the U1 models, vs U for carrier branded.
Which means they as of the time this was printed will only accept this model
Maybe some others have managed to pull something off but this is official answer
my post above is how it has always been in the past
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