Got the USCC version, wondering which names it aligns with concerning accessories, ie batteries, covers, etc.. there seems to be umpteen different versions between both CDMA and GSM.. Verizon and Sprint CDMA different? USCC CDMA??
Any help which path to follow so I don't spend too much time thinking I have the wrong one?
Thanks.
I just saw my friend with this phone personally today and it lloks exactly like my sprint touch pro. so im saying its safe to buy any sprint or altell accesories as the verizon is more boxy and so is the fuze or gsm one.
Thanks! Hope mine arrives tomorrow!
Holy Range of Phones Batman!
I see Touch Pro, Raphael, Raphael 100, Raphael 101, Raphael 800, Raphael GSM, Fuze... ugh... I just want to buy a bigger battery!!!!!!!!
Sprint and Alltel TP accessories will work fine, it's the same phone. The big difference is GSM vs CDMA (diferent design) and Verizon vs every other CDMA.
I was admiring things over at Seidio's site but not enough to pull the credit card out yet.
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It would seem to me that the XDA IIi * is all that I need. But I don't know who is planning to release the Blue Angel with the 1.3Mpx camera. Does anyone know the approximate price in whichever currency? Anyone know anything more?
*I don't care how it's branded, I just want the faster cpu and bigger cam of the IIi.
xda iis
try this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64355&item=5720213253&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
but i would rather wait for the real xda3.
Can you confirm the specs of the MDA III?
a) Is it Windows Pocket PC Second Edition (with the screen rotation)?
b) Camera resolution?
the one being sold at ebay is actually (i think) an xda iis or 2i. It has the new form factor (w/ slide out qwerty keyboard), comes with wm2003 2nd ed with landscape mode and built in wifi.
However, its screen resolution and camera and all other features are the same as xda2.
The xda 3 however, which will come out about the Q2 or Q3 of 2005, will have a faster processor (650 mhz), MP camera, better screen resolution, etc.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/09/o2_xda_update/
http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3047.html
ccc
T-Mobile in the US says they don't plan to carry it. Verizon says they expect it by early next month. I'm 99% sure I'm going to switch carriers, since Verizon also now has their high-speed EV-DO network running, and I'm tired of 40k GPRS. Plus I'd find coverage in rural areas useful.
Verizon XDA IIi
Hi Carlos
Is the Verizon version also a GSM phone, or is it a TDMA device? I have lost track of what technology Verizon is using these days.
Verizon is CDMA. So you lose things like the SIM, which I do find valuable to swap into another phone. But I don't see T-Mobile doing anything to improve data, while I watched a Verizon EV-DO user pull down 627k/second the other day. :shock:
Thanks Carlos. Yes, the data rate sounds impressive! Any idea how I would get on if I travelled to Europe? What happens with Verizon over there wit out GSM?
Your GSM roaming abilities would be zero with this device. North American only (US/Canada/Mexico). Verizon does have some roaming agreements, but you'd need a GSM phone and you'd have to set it up with Verizon in advance. Really though, it's far cheaper to buy a pay-as-you-go to use in Europe, as all the US carriers charge $1-$2 per minute for international roaming.
Thanks Carlos. Yes, I use an O2 pay and go SIM now while in UK, having found out the hrad way about T-mobile international roaming....! Guess if I switched, I would just keep some kind of GSM device for use in UK
So I purchased a UK unlocked Touch Pro and had it shipped to the US. While I hope there will be an ATT radio rom flash in the future, I have a quick question for the veterans out there:
On the Touch Pro, under the Phone Band settings, you can select "GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)"
When I do this all I receive is Edge on ATT, but aren't the UMTS bands correct already for ATT under this setting?
ajk1116 said:
So I purchased a UK unlocked Touch Pro and had it shipped to the US. While I hope there will be an ATT radio rom flash in the future, I have a quick question for the veterans out there:
On the Touch Pro, under the Phone Band settings, you can select "GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)"
When I do this all I receive is Edge on ATT, but aren't the UMTS bands correct already for ATT under this setting?
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There are several threads on this topic already...Here's one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410945
Thanks, I appreciate the reply, but I had read through that thread. I understand that the device is likely in need of a reprogrammed ROM to activate the hardware because at the end of the day it is not working. My question is specifically if the phone setting is allowing me to select the two ATT UMTS bands already why wouldn't I get 3G speed?
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Thanks, I appreciate the reply, but I had read through that thread. I understand that the device is likely in need of a reprogrammed ROM to activate the hardware because at the end of the day it is not working. My question is specifically if the phone setting is allowing me to select the two ATT UMTS bands already why wouldn't I get 3G speed?
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I have the UK version of the phone as well and I have the same issue. I have selected the right bands for both UMTS and GSM but all I get is EDGE. The reason for this is either a hardware limitation (no radio antenna to support 850/1900 UMTS bands (let's hope not) or the factory installed radio firmware does not include those bands or all those da#@ iPhone 3G users are hogging all the UMTS bandwidth . Hopefully all we need is to flash a new radio or ROM to unlock these bands. Just because you can select this band in phone settings does not mean the radio or hardware support it.
I guess I am crossing my fingers along with you . Thanks!
See my thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418000
Even though this is for T-Mobile im sure if tmo gets unlocked att will to. Watch that and post there if someone cracks it they will post on that thread.
I have a question for the guys only getting EDGE when they have the correct bands set.......do you have a 3G enabled SIM card? (aka a USIM, some networks require you use one for the 3G to be utilised correctly).
Hi, in answer to your question, yes I have a 3G compatible SIM. I literally plucked it out of my TyTN 2/ TILT and put it in to the Touch Pro. The Touch Pro automatically found the ATT network, and when I went in to check bands I realized that there was an option for the US UMTS bands. I am guessing that others have been right when they have stated that just because there is a menu option it doesn't mean the radios are properly enabled.
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Hi, in answer to your question, yes I have a 3G compatible SIM. I literally plucked it out of my TyTN 2/ TILT and put it in to the Touch Pro. The Touch Pro automatically found the ATT network, and when I went in to check bands I realized that there was an option for the US UMTS bands. I am guessing that others have been right when they have stated that just because there is a menu option it doesn't mean the radios are properly enabled.
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So currently you are using a HTC branded Raphael? Could you post your ROM/Radio details? (device info in settings/system) Also your ROM build (settings/system->about)?
mrvanx said:
So currently you are using a HTC branded Raphael? Could you post your ROM/Radio details? (device info in settings/system) Also your ROM build (settings/system->about)?
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I have a 3G enabled SIM, been using it with the Kaiser for the past year with good 3G reception. I now have the HTC branded Raph (UK version) with no 3G reception, only EDGE. Here's the info on my ROM/Radio:
ROM: 1.90.405.1 WWE (8/1/08)
Build: 19965.1.2.3
Radio: 1.02.25.19
OK so it seems the only radios actually in these Raphaels at the moment are all 1.02.25.19, once we have a decent way to flash a different radio stack to it we can see if it makes any difference both in the bands available and some of the reception issues we are seeing so far.
I'm not an expert in this area at all, far from it, but but was reading Black's post about his AT&T model and he has 1.01.25.16. Is this what you're going to flash it to once the HardSPL is completed given that you know his radio supports AT&T 3G?
I'm trying to keep up...
Has anybody heard an ETA for Hardspl? I know they where testing it. But any rumors on a timeframe?
My new UK Touch Pro (radio ver 1.02.25.19) is exhibiting this same behavior on AT&T... I have tried all combinations of those dropdowns under phone options without any luck. It does seem very strange that HTC put the US 3G bands in the band dropdown, but included radio software that doesn't support it...
... Why would HTC bother removing hardware supported bands in the software?
shaunco said:
My new UK Touch Pro (radio ver 1.02.25.19) is exhibiting this same behavior on AT&T... I have tried all combinations of those dropdowns under phone options without any luck. It does seem very strange that HTC put the US 3G bands in the band dropdown, but included radio software that doesn't support it...
... Why would HTC bother removing hardware supported bands in the software?
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Because they couldn't get it working well enough in time for the release date, I guess. Similar to what appears to have been the case with the Diamond. The US isn't their main concern at the moment, so delaying a US-compatible version for now in or der to get it to the rest of the world on time.
Either that or it's deliberate act to slow down the grey imports until they do a proper US release in hand with the local carriers.
If AT&T doesn't want to subsidize the Pro/Diamond, HTC doesn't really have to worry about putting in 1900 support. And honestly, AT&T is too busy with the iPhone 3G to care about HTC.
On the other hand, I'm sure HTC is very interested in getting in on T-mo 3G (1700/2100). By downplaying 1900 (which is being eaten up by the iPhone, anyway), HTC can gear up for the fresh 1700/2100 band. Paired with Android, HTC could potentially gain a big chunk of US 3G networks.
I'm a touch pro user in Canada on the Rogers network. I too hope that HTC releases a radio that allows 3g network access. I don't think its a hardware limitation because it wouldn't really make sense to make two versions of the same phone just to disable parts of the radio.
I disagree with the statement that AT&T is too busy with the iPhone 3G to care about the Touch Pro. The fact is that the target audience for the two phones are entirely different and that a considerable amount of AT&T corporate customers still require their employees to use PPC based phones (even if the iPhone 3G supports email push).
Corporate standards don't usually move as quickly as they should, so of course AT&T is interested in extracting more money from customers that purchased a Tilt over the past 8 months and want to upgrade, but are not allowed to use an iPhone.
If HTC removed support because they were unable to get the software functioning properly, I can live with that. EDGE for a few months while HTC readies a new radio software package is fine... EDGE while HTC readies new hardware is not.
fhsieh said:
If AT&T doesn't want to subsidize the Pro/Diamond, HTC doesn't really have to worry about putting in 1900 support. And honestly, AT&T is too busy with the iPhone 3G to care about HTC.
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If AT&T weren't interesting in pushing the Touch Pro, HTC wouldn't have went to the trouble and expense of making a specific hardware revision (PTT button) for them. That's not something HTC are gonna do just for the hell of it on a quiet Sunday afternoon.
Maybe I didn't read the thread well enough but did you try and flash the AT&T ROM that was posted? Maybe that might work!
Hi,
I just got an HTC Touch Pro (Euro version not the Fuze). I pulled my T-mobile sim card from my T-mobile G1 with the U.S. T-mobile 3g plan and popped it in my new HTC Touch Pro. And can not get 3g. I've searched quite a bit through this forum and have noticed that this may not be possible from what others are saying however, many of those comments are dated and I was curious if there is any new progress on this front. Or if anyone has U.S. T-mobile 3g working on the ATT fuze?
Thanks for your time.
It's not possible to get 3G with T-Mobile in the US using the Touch Pro/Fuze. This is because T-Mobile uses the 1700Mhz band for their 3G. Currently VERY limited phones have this band built it. The G1 does, but that's about it for 'smartphones'.
It's a hardware and not a software issue.
This topic has been discussed AT LENGTH for the last 3 months. There is a thread already on this topic so please discuss this there.
Thread closed.
hi there im doing my rounds In LA soon and would love to buy a hero out there my main concern is, when i return to the UK will it work with one of my UK networks... any one have any insight into this.....
If it is unlocked , answer is tes.
My hero was on Orange UK ,and using with 3 network and will most certainly work with networks in US.
The answer is no!
The Sprint Hero is a CDMA device. It doesn't have a SIM card slot, because CDMA devices don't use SIM cards, so you can't give it another "identity" by inserting a different SIM like you can a GSM phone.
I believe that there are some phones that support both CDMA and GSM, and these can operate on both types of network because they have a radio that supports both and a SIM card slot.
Note that some CDMA networks have implemented what they call a UIM, which does the same job as a SIM card, but isn't compatible.
Regards.
Dave
Lord Lucan said:
My hero was on Orange UK ,and using with 3 network and will most certainly work with networks in US.
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In the US, it will work on T-Mobile and AT&T (GSM networks) but not Sprint and Verizon (CDMA networks). Note that you will also not get 3G from the GSM networks, because the Euro Hero doesn't support the 3G bands needed by either AT&T and T-Mobile, so EDGE is the best you will see.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
In the US, it will work on T-Mobile and AT&T (GSM networks) but not Sprint and Verizon (CDMA networks). Note that you will also not get 3G from the GSM networks, because the Euro Hero doesn't support the 3G bands needed by either AT&T and T-Mobile, so EDGE is the best you will see.
Regards,
Dave
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this doesent answer my question it does the opposite.....
im trying to find out.. if a US hero that i buy in the US will work on any uk network....??
My previous post answered your question! The second post was commenting on what Lord Lucan had said.
Regards,
Dave
so dave in the us cant i just buy a sim free non network hero... ?
The "worldwide" GSM Hero does not support any of the 3G bands employed by networks in the US. So, if you were to buy a GSM Hero, it would work on either T-Mobile US or AT&T, but the best you would get, data wise, is EDGE whilst you are in the US. When you come back to the UK, you would be able to get 3G.
The US Hero, otherwise known as the Sprint Hero, is a CDMA device. This will not work at all on any UK networks.
Regards,
Dave
cool thanks for reply's dave.. looks like im gonna get one. ok so does anyone know where i could pick one up while im there.. im staying in west hollywood.
Why do you want to physically buy one in the US?
You can buy one from Expansys in the US for $540, or in the UK for £370 (with £30 worth of vouchers).
Assuming you could find a local retailer which stocks them in West Hollywood with prices similar to Expansys, you'd have to pay sales tax on it @ 9.75% would bring the cost pretty close to £370.
Regards,
Dave
becasue i have loads of usd to burn and not loads of GBP are you glad you now know my business......anyway back to where a retailer might be
i dont thing it would have uk 3g
would it?
Sorry probably none of my business but what use would the Sprint hero serve you in the UK since it is not possible to connect to any UK network or did I misunderstand. Wouldn't you be better off with the UK hero, at least that one could be rooted. Personally I would rather have that one, but the grass is always greener right.
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Sorry probably none of my business but what use would the Sprint hero serve you in the UK since it is not possible to connect to any UK network or did I misunderstand. Wouldn't you be better off with the UK hero, at least that one could be rooted. Personally I would rather have that one, but the grass is always greener right.
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no wrong your whole post is a wrong... i have a USD budget for every year.. so i dont care what price it is i just wanted to get one while im out there.. and as currently posted before like 3 times.. i don't want a sprint one.....so where might i be able to pick a non sprint hero up while in LA.. ?????????
mceiht said:
no wrong your whole post is a wrong... i have a USD budget for every year.. so i dont care what price it is i just wanted to get one while im out there.. and as currently posted before like 3 times.. i don't want a sprint one.....so where might i be able to pick a non sprint hero up while in LA.. ?????????
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umm...there is no non-sprint hero in the US. The cdma hero aka the US hero aka the SPRINT hero is ONLY available on sprint and from sprint. This phone does not use a sim card or any thing like it, when you turn one on for the first time it automatically connects to the sprint network and is linked to the number of the sprint subscriber that purchases by the phones unique ESN number, which cannot be changed legally. If you want a chinless hero, the one that is available on sprint and does not look at all like the UK hero, it will only and can only connect to CDMA networks and as far as I know only sprint. So no my post was not A wrong, I admitted to being kinda lost I just asked what use would a phone that you can not use as a phone serve you, a also asked if I had misunderstood, which I am sure now that I did not, you seem to be the lost one. When you get your US hero and try to unlock it for a gsm network, where are you going to stick the SIM card, please send me a video of you trying to put it into the phone, that will be fun to watch.
Hi,
Recently i have aquired and HTC Hero.
While i was reading posts here at xda, i encountered people talking about GSM and CDMA, where i got really confused.
I've searched google to answer my questions and only i could find was Sprint version and Europian vertion, plus got more confused.
Here is the link of the Hero i have:
http://www.phonehouse.pt/DetalheProduto.aspx?pid=2054
What are the deferences about those two Hero's?
What vertion do i have?
if you put a simcard in it it is GSM, if not it is CDMA. the picture you linked is AFAIK a gms hero, not sure whether you can tell it for sure just by looking at it. GSM and CDMA are different mobile network technologies, to make it short GSM is europe CDMA is usa.
With the hero its quite easy though, the CDMA version looks different to the GSM.
But phones normally look the same.
Pretty sure you have a GSM Hero. That looks to be a European site (selling in Euros) - is it Portugal? All European Heros are GSM. The CDMA ones are for the Sprint network in the USA. The main difference is that they use different mobile phone technology. And the GSM one has a SIM card the CDMA one does not.