Hi Everyone,
I am hoping to replace the ROM in my Sprint Mogul phone since I cannot replace the phone for over a year. I am looking for an Android/iPhone type of interface. The less I have to use my stylus the better. And I am hoping for a snappier interface. I would also like to be able to use the camera and wifi occasionally. I also use Sprint's Navigation package often and plan to buy an off road mapping program. Every day I use calendar and contacts. Finally I use the bluetooth every day with MS voice command.
My Mogul is on ROM V 3.35.651.2, Radio V 3.35.04.
I've read through the wiki and believe I understand the process. The one area I am struggling with is which ROM will best suit my needs. From the wiki I find these choices:
dcd
scrosler
nueROM
No2chem 5067
Key kitchen
Which ROM would you recommend to best suit my needs?
No replies? So I guess DCD it is.
sonwon said:
No replies? So I guess DCD it is.
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no replies because its a silly question. read the different ROM threads and see what users are saying about them. put the pieces together based on things you read and BOOM, flash a ROM. try it out. if you dont like it, try another. very easy.
Thanks for the reply.
I was looking for a good foundation build for a stylus free experience. And hoping to save some time by not having to flash my way through a zillion ROMs.
Well I mean, these phones are not meant to be touch screen only like a iPhone. You can install a ROM with a lot of finger friendly app's and then top it off with an install of FtouchFlo which enables 4 way touch scrolling in any app that needs panned or scrolled.
That was the route I am headed in since I have another year with this phone. I am working on a list of applications now. My partial list:
iris browser
calendar+
pocketCM
manilla 2D
HTC home
HTS home customizer
s2u2
PCM keyboard
SPB mobile shell
youtubeplayer
I likely have some duplicates in this list.
sonwon said:
That was the route I am headed in since I have another year with this phone. I am working on a list of applications now. My partial list:
iris browser
calendar+
pocketCM
manilla 2D
HTC home
HTS home customizer
s2u2
PCM keyboard
SPB mobile shell
youtubeplayer
I likely have some duplicates in this list.
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you'lll want to stick with the 6.1 roms then. also, if you do 6.5 its a little intense on the mogul due to memory usage, i have roughly 8 megs free on a good day with active sync running.
i think with the ryan RUU 6.1 i had around 30-35 free
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you'lll want to stick with the 6.1 roms then. also, if you do 6.5 its a little intense on the mogul due to memory usage, i have roughly 8 megs free on a good day with active sync running.
i think with the ryan RUU 6.1 i had around 30-35 free
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Geez, assess what you have running! I have a solid 25 meg free on 6.5. You may have quite a lot going on in the background.
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Geez, assess what you have running! I have a solid 25 meg free on 6.5. You may have quite a lot going on in the background.
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just syncing to exchange is all. and whatever is at start from the firmware (using RUU light 2.1 Winmo6.5)
i changed my page size to 6, freed up alot actually.
oh, and btonetbone, are you using himem or lowmem? i still use my camera, so its under low, with high mem, i think its around 25 free
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oh, and btonetbone, are you using himem or lowmem? i still use my camera, so its under low, with high mem, i think its around 25 free
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I'm usually in high memory mode. But that doesn't usually cause a 17 meg variance; it's more like 6 or 7.
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I'm usually in high memory mode. But that doesn't usually cause a 17 meg variance; it's more like 6 or 7.
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could be why, i'm using low memory mode for the camera
I think 6.5 is worth the loss of RAM.
My custom 6.5 has about 27.5 on boot, around 24 after a day of use. That's with high mem mode. With low mem, 21M on boot. That's about as good as you will get with 6.5. If you need more RAM than that, go with 6.1. You simply won't get more than 28M on boot with 6.5.
I loaded DCD's ROM and then decided I wanted to try Ryan's WM 6.5 UI 7 heavy ROM. After loading I noticed there was only 10MB free and decided that wouldn't work for me so I went back to the DCD ROM. Now when I boot I still see Ryan's splash screen. I did the hard reset. I am guessing there is a spot where the ROM doesn't overwrite can someone nudge me in the right direction on how to replace files there?
Also, I am going to give Ryan's WM 6.5 UI 7 light ROM a try.
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I loaded DCD's ROM and then decided I wanted to try Ryan's WM 6.5 UI 7 heavy ROM. After loading I noticed there was only 10MB free and decided that wouldn't work for me so I went back to the DCD ROM. Now when I boot I still see Ryan's splash screen. I did the hard reset. I am guessing there is a spot where the ROM doesn't overwrite can someone nudge me in the right direction on how to replace files there?
Also, I am going to give Ryan's WM 6.5 UI 7 light ROM a try.
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To have more free RAM using WM 6.5 on a TITAN its recommended that you run in High Memory mode, meaning Camera Disabled. Even with my light version you are still going to need to disable camera. It all depends on what you use the phone for. If you go into Settings/System Settings/NueKernel and run in High Memory you will see a huge difference in memory. Just remember to turn camera back on before flashing to another ROM that does not include Nuekernel.
Thanks for the reply Ryan. I'll give that a try.
What about the splash screen?
Also what is the phone doing while the splash screen is showing, seems like a long wait at this spot.
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I don't think it's HTChome... cause i have the new nexvision rom, and its not even included. But after about three hours im down to 4 or 5 megs free.... Even when i turn my mogul on it only has about 16 or 17... Anyone figure out a fix for this?
Try installing dcd's super clean rom.
I have read all the posts and it sounds to me like it is WM6.1, so what is the best ROM without WM6.1?
got a link to superclean?
i removed all startup items except VistaHide & poutlook
I startup with 20mb ram and i dont seem to see any memory leaks that lots of other ppl are having.
btw i have nexvisions latest sprint rom. also i dont have anything on today screen (no agenda/time nothing at all)
after starting and running "Close Apps" program...it gives me 21mb free
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got a link to superclean?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367574
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I have read all the posts and it sounds to me like it is WM6.1, so what is the best ROM without WM6.1?
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2.0.0 beta was the rom with gps without 6.1
it was nice but i love 6.1 even with the memory leak, i dont worry about memory anymore. since it runs mad fast even with 1 meg free.
true about it running faster and smoother.... but still texting takes for ever when i only have 7 megs free... I guess ill just quit my B%#@#ing and wait for the fix...
I'm not running DCD's ROM but my memory usage is at 8.69MB free right now with no2chem's 5046 build and I'm running Opera Mini, Google Maps with GPS turned on and activated, PIE, and a few other things...
I wouldn't really worry about the memory getting low with WM6.1 - it manages the memory much better and the only program to throw an out of memory message for me has been NetFront 3.5 concept version on a huge site (like my Myspace page, lol)
hmm, how does one clean a memory leak, cat litter?
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I don't think it's HTChome... cause i have the new nexvision rom, and its not even included. But after about three hours im down to 4 or 5 megs free.... Even when i turn my mogul on it only has about 16 or 17... Anyone figure out a fix for this?
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I've gotten really bad memory leaks on DCD's 2.2.6, NexVisions hybrid, and No2Chem's 2.0
DCD's 2.2.0 seems to be treating me really well, and is also 6.1, so maybe try that one.
Good luck!
i have been using dcd 2.2.1 to build some of the roms with htc home 2.1 the memory leak is not bad at all im going on two days with no resets , and 14 megs left.
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I've gotten really bad memory leaks on DCD's 2.2.6, NexVisions hybrid, and No2Chem's 2.0
DCD's 2.2.0 seems to be treating me really well, and is also 6.1, so maybe try that one.
Good luck!
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could you post up 2.2.0 (megaupload rapidshare etc) no ones been able to post it up yet for Srpint, only seend the verizon one left. im having big RAM problems with 2.2.6, only 17.5 on reset and goes down below 12 leaving me unable to use Igo and other programs.
I had to go back to DCDs new rom because I had like 5 hudge problems within 2 days using NexVisions Sprint roms. I firmly believe the leak is caused by the notifications button flashing over the organiser button that had been freezing my device non stop.
After a soft reset I'm at about 17 megs. At the end of the day I'm at about 6megs, but everything still runs very smoothly. As of now it's just all numbers.
problem is its not just number. certain programs refuse to open without a certain amount of free memory (opera, miomaps/igo particularly says it needs 12). They will pop-up a box that says error needs 12mb to run free up memory and crash out. During a program it may crash the program and error out. thats a BIG deal
so by that theory HTC should refund my $125-150 for my gps software because their phone supposedly "manages memory efficiently" even though it may run smoothly because software made for the OS wont run most of the time except after soft reset. Even though for a few dollars more per unit tops, they could have made it 128mb.
were talking a $550 PDA that cant run software made for its OS because of a limitation made by the manufacturer. So its much more than "just a number" when were talking power users. Sure people who run the stock software or google maps wont have problems. But "power users" will run into those issues.
thats my MAJOR issue with it. I also refuse to buy another program for over $100 because the manufacturer made a shotty phone
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so by that theory HTC should refund my $125-150 for my gps software because their phone supposedly "manages memory efficiently" even though it may run smoothly because software made for the OS wont run most of the time except after soft reset.
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thats my MAJOR issue with it. I also refuse to buy another program for over $100 because the manufacturer made a shotty phone
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bummer... Worked fine for me with the stock Telus ROMs (WM5 and then 6), DCD's 1.6.10 and then passably with DCD 2.1.
Sure, it would have been nice to have more installed memory, but it was never advertised as such and most of us happily manage.
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im having big RAM problems with 2.2.6
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Sucks to be you for thinking that you may feel warranted to complain to the manufacturer for your experimental use of alpha/beta and hacked ROMs for your phone. Considered going back to stable releases? DCD 1.6.10 is rather rock solid. No GPS with that? A bummer again. Expect potential trade offs when you wish to hack your phone for unreleased features.
Sadly, some people demand it all and now -- without any pain.
Maybe you should return your phone? Or first ensure that you are using a stock release without ANY extra software. Something is causing you dilemma.
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problem is its not just number. certain programs refuse to open without a certain amount of free memory (opera, miomaps/igo particularly says it needs 12). They will pop-up a box that says error needs 12mb to run free up memory and crash out. During a program it may crash the program and error out. thats a BIG deal
so by that theory HTC should refund my $125-150 for my gps software because their phone supposedly "manages memory efficiently" even though it may run smoothly because software made for the OS wont run most of the time except after soft reset. Even though for a few dollars more per unit tops, they could have made it 128mb.
were talking a $550 PDA that cant run software made for its OS because of a limitation made by the manufacturer. So its much more than "just a number" when were talking power users. Sure people who run the stock software or google maps wont have problems. But "power users" will run into those issues.
thats my MAJOR issue with it. I also refuse to buy another program for over $100 because the manufacturer made a shotty phone
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Go back to the stock ROM then and quit using beta products.
I spent all evening yesterday and all day today and I have still yet to get a satisfactory ROM cooked up. I'm using the ppckitchen.org one. It's pretty straightforward, but I can't get free memory to save my life. I think I managed about 8-9 megs free on a WM 6.1 build and around 6 on a 6.5 build. Not real good. Every ROM gives me a "Low Mem (Camera Enabled)" error on the initial splash screen pretty much every single build I've done. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here. Even through free memory has been low, storage space has been more than adequate, I have barely dipped below 100 MB free storage.
So, yeah, props to all you wonderful ROM chefs out there for doing such a great job and sharing the love with the rest of us.
Now could someone please help me figure out what the bleep I'm doing wrong here? I would, ideally, like a ROM with lots of toys and goodies. Here is what I would like to include (some of these I initially tried loading as OEMs but have managed to track down CAB installers for them so will just do them all afterwards since I can't find a way to put stuff in the extended ROM with this kitchen). My main goal is to make this build as stylus free as possible. To that end, here is my want/need list for it. Please feel free to critique it. I've been out of the loop on this stuff for quite awhile so I'm not sure what programs are currently being recommended and there are way too many for me to try them all out personally so I'm open to suggestions.
WM 6.5
Weather on today screen (using Titanium Weather V3 currently)
Voice Command (have been using 1.6.21040 version in the kitchen but I took it out of the most recent attempt to free up RAM. It isn't critical right now but if I get another BT headset I will definitely want it.)
Sprint Navigation (we're paying for it, might as well have it unless someone knows of a better free app)
Sprint TV (not necessary but would be a plus)
Manila dialer
Finger Friendly KB of some sort (was going to install fingerkb post install)
good selection of ringones (these don't eat up program RAM do they?)
HTC Audio Manager or equivalent finger friendly music player (can the Chrome be made to use this instead of WMP) (This one is not a requirement, I don't do music much on here since I carry a Zune with me but, again, would be a plus)
Newer camera (not the version that comes on the Titan but the newer one that takes better pictures. I saw it in a ROM, not sure which one)
MusicID (post install is fine, have not seen a CAB for it though)
Java (Do I really need this, I don't really run midlets or whatever they're called?)
.net 2.0
Finger friendly browser (Opera? Firefox? are these better than the IE in WM6.5)
Streaming video player (for youtube and all the others)
Office (Excel and Word at the least)
Comm manager (is one better than the others?)
Flashlight (vjcandela or nuelight)
Selection of games (can install those from cabs too)
the new windows live stuff like the voice activated navigation. May not be any count but I want to try it.
any other useful and recommend utilities
WM 6.1
Pretty much the same as above except replace the 6.5 specific chrome stuff with Manila2D and it's configurator and the new browser is more necessary.
Like I said, though, if anyone has any advice I am all ears on this one. If I can get a properly working and stable ROM I will try to upload it for anyone else that wants it as a thank you for the help.
Hey don't quit keep going... I'm sure that the more times you try it eventually you'll get a working rom.
Thanks. I finally got up to about 11 MB with WM 6.5 by leaving Voice Command out. It's not ideal but it is a start. Need to get something to have it close programs instead of leaving them running.
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Thanks. I finally got up to about 11 MB with WM 6.5 by leaving Voice Command out. It's not ideal but it is a start. Need to get something to have it close programs instead of leaving them running.
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6.5 has nuekernel
If in low memory mode so that camera will work you loose 5-7mb.
In high memory mode you gain mb but cannot use camera.
My time to cook is coming... I can feel it...
Seems like a lot of work, but well worth it if you pull it off... Keep up your efforts!
2nd those props!
2nd those props!
So far I haven't had a lot of luck with 6.5. It seems that these phones just simply don't have enough RAM to handle it properly and give me everything I want. I guess I will have to go back to 6.1. Although, really, it probably isn't worth my time. A lot of people here at work have been complaining about their Moguls. They want their precious crackberries back (ugh!). So they're getting rid of these and swapping them out now. I'm going to wait as long as possible before I swap mine though. There's sure to be a line and, honestly, I'd just as soon keep my Mogul if I can get it stable. Otherwise I'm gonna have to come up with $350 to buy a new personal phone to feed my WiMo addiction. I can't believe AT&T has jacked up the Fuze to $350 though. Yeesh. I'm tempted to just wait until their next one comes along at this point, hopefully one that will support 6.5 officially.
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So far I haven't had a lot of luck with 6.5. It seems that these phones just simply don't have enough RAM to handle it properly and give me everything I want. I guess I will have to go back to 6.1. Although, really, it probably isn't worth my time. A lot of people here at work have been complaining about their Moguls. They want their precious crackberries back (ugh!). So they're getting rid of these and swapping them out now. I'm going to wait as long as possible before I swap mine though. There's sure to be a line and, honestly, I'd just as soon keep my Mogul if I can get it stable. Otherwise I'm gonna have to come up with $350 to buy a new personal phone to feed my WiMo addiction. I can't believe AT&T has jacked up the Fuze to $350 though. Yeesh. I'm tempted to just wait until their next one comes along at this point, hopefully one that will support 6.5 officially.
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If I read your posts correctly you have found some of the cabs for the programs you want for your build, but I saw no mention of a memory card. Have you tried building your rom and then installing the cabs to the programs you like on the memory card? Not all programs can be installed on the memory card but alot of the ones you have listed can be. I recommend at least a 2 gig. (I have a 4 gig on my phone). Just make sure its not the HC memory cards as they are not compatible with this device. Like I said Im not sure if you have already gone this route but its just a suggestion. Hope this helps.
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If I read your posts correctly you have found some of the cabs for the programs you want for your build, but I saw no mention of a memory card. Have you tried building your rom and then installing the cabs to the programs you like on the memory card? Not all programs can be installed on the memory card but alot of the ones you have listed can be. I recommend at least a 2 gig. (I have a 4 gig on my phone). Just make sure its not the HC memory cards as they are not compatible with this device. Like I said Im not sure if you have already gone this route but its just a suggestion. Hope this helps.
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I have a couple of apps that I have done that with. But, really, the problem isn't storage so much as operational RAM. I finally decided that I could either use WM 6.5 or the camera and that I would rather have 6.5. Putting the phone into high memory mode helped a lot with it, but it still quickly memory leaks down to about 12 megs free. I'm working with the chef of my current ROM over at ppckitchen trying to figure it out. I'm starting to wonder if some of these devices don't have a hardware issue that causes some people to have memory leaks or if it is possibly related to the bootloader (2.40 vs 2.47) because some people seem to have no problem with them while almost every custom ROM I have tried running seems to have a memory leak.
Ok, so after using DCD 3.3.4 for the past 6-7 months with no problems whatsoever, I had the urge to start this flashing business again. I just couldnt help myself.
So I tried out several of the 6.5 ROMS available both here and over on PPCGeeks. I dont know why, but I just cant get myself to like them. A bit too slow for my taste I guess, I dont think the Titan can handle them very well due to the RAM.
So I want to go back to WinMo 6.1 ... but before just going back to my trusty old DCD 3.3.4, any other 6.1 ROM's I should try out? I'll try DCD 4.1.2 , but some people look like they've had issues with it?
Any other 6.1 ROM's to recommend? Greatly appreciated.
I like nerdstrap's ROM but it has the same problem as most newer 6.1 ROMs where WMP won't play video that the phone records. That and typing addresses into IE6 is REALLY slow but I was using his first ROM so he may have fixed that.
I've been running DCD's 4.1.2 for about 24 hours now, and I'm loving it! More free memory and it's tons faster than the DCD ROM I was using before!
So far, no complaints from me! And SPB Mobile Shell 3 is awesome on it!
i've been using Ryan Mogul 6800's custom 2.0 Heavy 6.1 i like it alot so far very smooth and runs great
Well, after going through about a half-dozen ROM options...
DCD 4.1.2
Cant go wrong with the original
Another vote for 4.1.2
dcd is still king!!! im using 4.1.2 with spb mobile shell 3 and it works like a charm. only issue i have to report is that the txt input lags a little when typing, but it catches up and is not a major issue.
a lot of the 6.5 roms seem to be to heavy so 4.1.2 is the perfect lite solution if u already have the cabs and programs that you plan to use.
dcd and spb it seems this is the way to be
Whats SPB Mobile Shell do? I have not heard of it before
edit- Looked it up, seems really nice, but how's it do on RAM usage? Does it slow you down a lot? Seems like it would be a resource intensive program.
I've been using DCD 4.1.2 and SPB Mobile Shell 3 for about a day and a half now. I was only averaging about 10 MB RAM free before I flashed. Now I'm averaging 19-20 MB free. Everything is so much faster!!
Many thanks to DCD!!
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ryanmogul light > dcd 4.1.2
rajuabju said:
Well, after going through about a half-dozen ROM options...
DCD 4.1.2
Cant go wrong with the original
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I switched from 3.2.6 as well to 4.1.2, I was a late adopter and kicked myself for not going sooner. I had the same issue with 6.5 on the titan. Even with 3.2.6 I RARELY soft reset, but found after running a few apps I could only have one open at a time. With 4.1.2 it seems the "dynamic freeing" of RAM works better and my last 3-4 apps seem to always be open. TomTom seems to be the only one that I have to close everything, but not all the time. I still don't soft-reset.
If DCD ever posts another ROM, I will switch quick!
I'm on the last Titan Reloaded beta, and have been for a few months - it's well-behaved and pretty snappy. I'd like to try Ryan's builds, but he hasn't done one for Telus yet. Surprised not to see any other Reloaded users here...any particular reasons against it?
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Whats SPB Mobile Shell do? I have not heard of it before
edit- Looked it up, seems really nice, but how's it do on RAM usage? Does it slow you down a lot? Seems like it would be a resource intensive program.
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i dont recall what was free, but i never had any memory problems with it. it ran snappy enough for me. i think it drained the battery a little faster but nothing dramatic. i even ran it for a little while on bbsandkm's 6.5 roms and didnt have any memory issues. they have a free trial so you can check it out for yourself. if i recall correctly it installs via cab and can be uninstalled easily if you don't like it.
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I'm on the last Titan Reloaded beta, and have been for a few months - it's well-behaved and pretty snappy. I'd like to try Ryan's builds, but he hasn't done one for Telus yet. Surprised not to see any other Reloaded users here...any particular reasons against it?
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I've also been waiting for Ryan to make a Telus build
he says he'll work on one for the next rev. take a look in the heavy thread. you can help me test it.
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I've been using DCD 4.1.2 and SPB Mobile Shell 3 for about a day and a half now. I was only averaging about 10 MB RAM free before I flashed. Now I'm averaging 19-20 MB free. Everything is so much faster!!
Many thanks to DCD!!
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with rom in sig im at 20mb... like it but has a few quirks that i have encountered... last week i tried downloading some of the "heavy" roms but didnt like them as much.... im not fond of the 6.5 or titanium or whatever it was... i like the mobile 6.1 and touch flo...
however im now looking at spb mobile 3 and it looks cool... think im gonna try dcd 4.1.2 and mobile shell...... gonna do that right now...
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with rom in sig im at 20mb... like it but has a few quirks that i have encountered... last week i tried downloading some of the "heavy" roms but didnt like them as much.... im not fond of the 6.5 or titanium or whatever it was... i like the mobile 6.1 and touch flo...
however im now looking at spb mobile 3 and it looks cool... think im gonna try dcd 4.1.2 and mobile shell...... gonna do that right now...
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Let me know how it works for you after some testing.
I'm loving DCD 4.1.2, I've got all my programs up and running, last thing to fix is GPS.
TouchFlo will never work well on the Titan due to lack of sufficient RAM. I've been looking at Mobile Shell 3 and it looks very nice, so if you report it doesnt kill RAM availability, I may try it out.
Oh, and to ANYONE who uses Adobe Acrobat 2.0 or 2.5 or whatever for PDF... I recommend you switch to Foxit Reader ASAP. It is so much faster and better in so many ways I cant believe it took me so long to switch.
wanna try dcd 4.1.2 , but just can't find the kitchen. Could anybody pointed me??
10k thanks in advance...........
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wanna try dcd 4.1.2 , but just can't find the kitchen. Could anybody pointed me??
10k thanks in advance...........
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that is ok i found the link...
but reading it im not sure what i have to do .. it says download, install, pst or whatever and enable internet while disconnected..
WHAT IS ALL THAT!!!! newbies shouldnt be toyin with this.. but then i would be out of the loop...
I always want newer and better. Last week I upgraded from dcd's 3.2.6 to 4.1.2. Much faster, better memory, speedy gps locks, and no crashes yet.
I run a few commercial medical reference programs that are a major hassle to load and activate, so it is a pain to keep flashing my phone.
Can anyone comment between how well the 6.5's work vs. dcd 4.1.2
It's a very different animal.
First and foremost, the Today Screen has been completely redone in the default Titanium screen. I'm sure you've seen it around. You can still revert back to the old Today screen with a simple setting adjustment in the Settings Menu.
Secondly, nearly everything features finger friendly scrolling. It's built in with no real need for additional items such as FTouchFLO.
Third, the start menu has been redone to make it look more contemporary. Some people like it, some don't. You can adjust it to your liking by replacing various files.
Fourth, a programmer/PPC junkie going by no2chem introduced something in his 6.1 ROMs called nueKernel which is being implemented into nearly every 6.5 ROM. It allows you to enable or disable the camera temporarily to add more available RAM. Because of this, it's possible to have more free available RAM than you've most likely seen before on the Titan. For example, my ROM (and Ryan's, and most other current 6.5 ROMs) will boot with 25+ meg free.
Fifth, please note that those are most superficial UI adjustments. They are improving things under the hood, too, to make the OS better.
Your best way to compare is by flashing. If you like 6.5, stick with it. If you don't, there are plenty of fantastic 6.1 ROMs to choose from.
if its speed what you want then stay with dcd. no 6.5 has been able to come close to dcd.
on the other hand like btonetbone said a different animal and slower no matter the tweaking.
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if its speed what you want then stay with dcd. no 6.5 has been able to come close to dcd.
on the other hand like btonetbone said a different animal and slower no matter the tweaking.
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I won't argue with this because I don't have benchmarks. DCD's ROMs are extremely fast; I used them all the up through 3.3.something and loved them.
But 6.5 isn't a hog, either. It runs very fast and snappy on my phone, and I have very little complaints regarding speed. Please don't take the above comments as saying the 6.5 ROMs are slow.
compared to dcd 6.5 is slower. i didnt say 6.5 is slow
I'll give you my opinion......... since I played with them all.
I had been running DCD 3.3.4 for 6-8 months until about a month ago when the "tinker bug" kicked in again and I had to flash and play with new ROM's.
I first went to 6.5 ROM's by RyanMogul and a few others both here and on PPCGeeks. All of them are visually stunning, but, all of them ARE slower than ROM's running 6.1
Also, for me, free memory was an issue. 6.5 simply needs more memory than 6.1 and there isn't nothing you can do about it. 6.5 ideally should be run on phones with 128MB RAM or more.
I loved 6.5 for its looks, but, I run programs like SPB Phone Suite, Pocket Weather, Palringo, and others, often simultaneously, and that just wasnt realistic with 6.5 due to low RAM availability.
So I went back to 6.1, and to good old DCD. 4.1.2 is amazing in my opinion. It has major performance and memory management improvements over his previous ROM's. It's incredibly stable, and it IS faster than any other ROM (6.1 or 6.5) I've personally tried out.
It's given my xv6800 some more life. Until the Tour comes out and I jump onto the evil Blackberry bandwagon, 4.1.2 is it for me.
I highly recommend.
rajuabju said:
I'll give you my opinion......... since I played with them all.
I had been running DCD 3.3.4 for 6-8 months until about a month ago when the "tinker bug" kicked in again and I had to flash and play with new ROM's.
I first went to 6.5 ROM's by RyanMogul and a few others both here and on PPCGeeks. All of them are visually stunning, but, all of them ARE slower than ROM's running 6.1
Also, for me, free memory was an issue. 6.5 simply needs more memory than 6.1 and there isn't nothing you can do about it. 6.5 ideally should be run on phones with 128MB RAM or more.
I loved 6.5 for its looks, but, I run programs like SPB Phone Suite, Pocket Weather, Palringo, and others, often simultaneously, and that just wasnt realistic with 6.5 due to low RAM availability.
So I went back to 6.1, and to good old DCD. 4.1.2 is amazing in my opinion. It has major performance and memory management improvements over his previous ROM's. It's incredibly stable, and it IS faster than any other ROM (6.1 or 6.5) I've personally tried out.
It's given my xv6800 some more life. Until the Tour comes out and I jump onto the evil Blackberry bandwagon, 4.1.2 is it for me.
I highly recommend.
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Thank you for explaining that so eloquently. I think you've just convinced me to go back to 6.1 after running 6.5 for roughly a month. 6.5 is amazing and very finger friendly, but not the OS for the Titan. Just uses too much memory, no matter what. I've tried different programs to free up RAM and keep me from soft resetting 2 or 3 times a day, but none of them really work. On 6.5 I can almost never run 2 apps at once, unless they are very small. So back to good ol DCD for me. At least until I get a new device! (touch pro maybe )
Just my 2 cents
Currently I am running Mattsm 6.5 23003b and this morning I was running 4 apps and switching between them with enough memory for all of them. I was on a website, Biblegateway, had a java application open, Go Bible by Jolon Faichney, Word 6.1 and Windows Mobile 6.5 Titanium Today (this skin allows both vertical scrolling and on some panes, horizontal movement) which I was using as the switching point to jump back and forth. I have run DCD ROMs in the past and they are great ROMs but if you want to see what is possible with your Titan follow the different developers.
Showtime7 said:
Thank you for explaining that so eloquently. I think you've just convinced me to go back to 6.1 after running 6.5 for roughly a month. 6.5 is amazing and very finger friendly, but not the OS for the Titan. Just uses too much memory, no matter what. I've tried different programs to free up RAM and keep me from soft resetting 2 or 3 times a day, but none of them really work. On 6.5 I can almost never run 2 apps at once, unless they are very small. So back to good ol DCD for me. At least until I get a new device! (touch pro maybe )
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
I'd love to see Ryan prove this by releasing his "light" rom with a required cab. I bet if the rom didn't have all the the extra ring tones and addons he includes, we'd boot to more than 17.5mb I've available in his wm7 rom.
I'm glad you mentioned you can turn off the new today screen. I'm not impressed so far. But the big thing is that my GPS is working again which it never did with DCD's last release.
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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I was just thinking, DCD should change his name to Optimus Prime
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
I'd love to see Ryan prove this by releasing his "light" rom with a required cab. I bet if the CAB didn't have all the the extra ring tones and addons he includes, we'd boot to more than 17.5mb I've available in his wm7 rom.
I'm glad you mentioned you can turn off the new today screen. I'm not impressed so far. But the big thing is that my GPS is working again which it never did with DCD's last release.
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Please don't mumble about me incoherently. My ROMs do not use any CABs besides 1.1 Heavy and thats 1 out of 7 ROMs. Version 1.1 Heavy installs Google maps using a cab and M2D via Auto Customization.. Otherwise there is not a single CAB involved in the any other of my ROMs flashing and booting the first time..
The ringtones are not a CAB.. They are added ingredients used while cooking a ROM in a kitchen..
Release my ROM without the required cab...??? wtf.. lol
I know I should include less ringtones but I do the best I can. I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb pointing out any imperfection you can find to take away from its luster..
I release several versions so if you want pretty and loaded, you get that. If you want ugly and slim, you get that too. And a few things in between. Like I said I try.
I will remove some of the ringtones next time I cook and relocate several installs to make sure they stay only in the windows directory because I know what you guys mean.
Some ppl are just dicks. I'm currently running ryans 6.5 the heavy one. He did a great job since I want 6.5 on my mogul till the TP2 comes out. I turned off most of the things I don't need like the new today screen and the camera which I hardly ever use, I'm consistently at over 25mb but I mostly use my phone to get e-mails and txt.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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Hey who's this guy?? Glad to see your alive and well dcd.... Just another thanks for all you've done for the community....
dcd1182 said:
i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash. Free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in.
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Ah, that could fit with what you were saying. Man, now I wish I could find the exact quote. I'd like to better understand what you were saying with this added bit of info. I've searched for about 20 minutes with no luck.
You were responding for the 20th time to someone asking why you'd only released a ROM and one that didn't have games or something in it. I read it to say that if the ROM was smaller and people installed their req software via cabs, in general, everyone would have more free program memory. Which seemed to make sense... I just carried it a little further than you meant, and assumed then that items installed to the device later didn't affect the amount of "ram" available. sigh... I miss the days the memory slider on my old e750 that allowed me to override balance between storage memory and program memory. Anyway, thanks for the additional info.
RyanMogul6800 said:
Please don't mumble about me incoherently. My ROMs do not use any CABs besides 1.1 Heavy and thats 1 out of 7 ROMs. Version 1.1 Heavy installs Google maps using a cab and M2D via Auto Customization.. Otherwise there is not a single CAB involved in the any other of my ROMs flashing and booting the first time..
The ringtones are not a CAB.. They are added ingredients used while cooking a ROM in a kitchen..
Release my ROM without the required cab...??? wtf.. lol
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Ryan, dude, slow down a minute and read what I actually typed.
I never said anything about your current ROMS requiring CABs nor did I say that you'd released a ROM that was a missing required CAB.
I was talking about doing an experiment, making a test build, to prove a theory about memory usage. Sometimes that's what we do, we try an idea, see if it improves the situation and drop it when it doesn't pan out. Heck, I didn't even expect you to be reading this thread. So, I certainly wouldn't have been criticizing you or your work here.
What worries me more is the "Please don't mumble about me". No one said anything against you. Even if people do say stuff about your works, don't take it as a criticism about you, personally. If you keep doing that, you'll lead a miserable life as a developer.
I know releasing no-cost software on which everyone has an opinion is difficult. But if you are so uptight, so quickly, you really should step back from reading threads for a bit. This place WILL drive you nuts if you let it, but it will happen much faster if you take everything as a judgment of your worth.
RyanMogul6800 said:
I know I should include less ringtones but I do the best I can. I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb pointing out any imperfection you can find to take away from its luster..
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As explained above, I've never criticized a single feature of your ROM. I mentioned 17.5 free on your heavy ROM with the wm7 extras, but I consider that darn good for your heaviest ROM. I've booted under other roms to 15 something.
And as far as "I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb", well... you should.
Take all the input and critiques you can. After 20 years as a programmer I know bugs happen. I'm not perfect. Making good stuff makes me proud, but I'll tell you now that I won't ever create a perfect piece of complex software on the 1st or 10th go around. If someone points out a problem, then that is a chance for my stuff to be even better, if I decide I want to fix it.
I am now running your 6.1 light version, which I think is incredible. Your roms have resolved several issues I've had with this refurb phone I am now using. And while I am extremely impressed with the level of detail you've gone to(like the fact that you've included the right codecs/dlls for tcpmp to play wma files on 6.1), you should not be surprised that I have found a nit-picky mistake and have some suggestions for you to consider.
I'd not share them here in any case, as it is off topic to this thread, and if it will hurt your feelings or honor for me to post it anywhere, I'll keep the information to myself. At least the one suggestion, will add a missing feature to your ROM, but I'll leave it up to you.
my mogul will be here this week and i want to unlock it and flash the latest gps rom and radio. the ppc will be for sprint. id also like to install a light weight but fast 6.5 rom as well. can you guys point me in the right direction? will the bell 3.42.50 radio work on this phone?
thanks in advance!
anybody???
There's a wiki somewhere but you can use this from over at ppcgeeks.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=33857
This tells you how to do everything.
okay but can you guys recommend a lightweight 6.5 rom?
I alternate between RyanMogul's heavy 6.5 ROM (he makes a light too - I just haven't tried it) and bbsandkm's light 6.5 ROM (over at ppcgeeks). Both are great!
I vote for bbsandkm's light 6.5 ROM
I vote for ryanmoguls It seems to be there one I always go back to.
You bought a Mogul? Please tell me for less than $25...
If you want lightweight stick with a stripped down 6.1 ROM. Unless you really want Titanium or the Honeycomb (both of which I absolutely hate) then I've seen no benefit to running 6.5. Then again I haven't tested Ryan's 6.5 so maybe that one actually doesn't suck like all the others I've tested. They just eat tons of RAM with no difference other than Titanium and Honeycomb.
I second 6.1... Get DCD's 4.1.2 and you will have at least twice as much free ram as when you use 6.5... I tested 6.5 for about two weeks, went back to dcd's rom and I will never flash back to 6.5. It's just the fastest, lightest rom I've experienced, and it has some nice features as well. His older roms are good too but you miss out on some things like the touchflo in menus and in PIE. Well if you like soft resetting every couple hours then go for 6.5, knock yourself out. But if you're looking for overall best, most convenient, fastest, smoothest rom, I'd strongly recommend DCD's 4.1.2. With the right CAB's you will be able to suit it up how you like, but once you go 6.5 there's very little programs you can install and still have reasonable ram to work with.
Showtime7 said:
I second 6.1... Get DCD's 4.1.2 and you will have at least twice as much free ram as when you use 6.5... I tested 6.5 for about two weeks, went back to dcd's rom and I will never flash back to 6.5. It's just the fastest, lightest rom I've experienced, and it has some nice features as well. His older roms are good too but you miss out on some things like the touchflo in menus and in PIE. Well if you like soft resetting every couple hours then go for 6.5, knock yourself out. But if you're looking for overall best, most convenient, fastest, smoothest rom, I'd strongly recommend DCD's 4.1.2. With the right CAB's you will be able to suit it up how you like, but once you go 6.5 there's very little programs you can install and still have reasonable ram to work with.
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I don't think you used a good 6.5 if that's the case. After everything is installed on my ROM, I boot with over 25 meg free. At the end of the day, I'm still well above 21.
I'm not saying 6.1 is bad - in fact, I spent a day on DCD 4.1.2 and remembered what good work he did. It's a fantastic ROM, but I have not ever seen that poor memory on 6.5.
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If you want lightweight stick with a stripped down 6.1 ROM. Unless you really want Titanium or the Honeycomb (both of which I absolutely hate) then I've seen no benefit to running 6.5. Then again I haven't tested Ryan's 6.5 so maybe that one actually doesn't suck like all the others I've tested. They just eat tons of RAM with no difference other than Titanium and Honeycomb.
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Well, 6.5 is slightly more finger-friendly than 6.1, like, finger scrolling works in most apps on a bare 6.5
I tried a least 4 different roms... new released ones, this was like 2 weeks ago. Please point me to a stable, fast 6.5 rom with that much available memory and I will take what I said back, but I tried numerous roms with no luck. None anything even close to DCD's.
Showtime7 said:
I tried a least 4 different roms... new released ones, this was like 2 weeks ago. Please point me to a stable, fast 6.5 rom with that much available memory and I will take what I said back, but I tried numerous roms with no luck. None anything even close to DCD's.
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I'm not saying I'm as good as DCD; he has waaaay more technical knowledge than I could ever lay claim to. But here you go. My ROM boots on the initial flash in the high 20's of free RAM. Make sure you set this to High Memory Mode under Start -> Settings -> System -> Kernel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532030
Thanks, I'll try it out tonight and report back.
I just finished a WM 6.1 Build 21042 kitchen. Its pretty straight forward.
So far so good, looks like I was wrong. But I don't know how annoying it will be to have to reset every time I have to use my camera. I'll see how well the memory holds after I get my apps, though with 6.5 as I remember apps are hardly needed, at least not for finger friendliness.
Kwokinator said:
Well, 6.5 is slightly more finger-friendly than 6.1, like, finger scrolling works in most apps on a bare 6.5
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The newer versions of 6.1 have this as well.
Also, I actually prefer to NOT have that functionality in a ROM because then I can install FTouchFlo and have finger friendly gestures working in almost EVERY program whether it came with the ROM or not. If it's built into the OS it becomes harder to figure out how to make the built in gesture functionality not conflict with FTouchFlo.
It is nice sometimes though to just flash a ROM and have finger gestures right out of the box.
OK so after running this ROM for a while I can see its mostly like the rest of the 6.5 roms I've tried. It started with the most available ram I've seen in a 6.5 rom but that is mainly due to the disabled camera. I start off at about 26mb free after flash, 23mb free on boot after installing all my apps and whatnot. Few hours later, I'm at 10-15mb free. I must be missing something here. No I don't use apps running in the background, yes I use hibernate every now and then. Still no use, I'm under 15mb free now without a camera. With DCD's rom I was just using I never went under 15, with my camera enabled. So I am thinking about flashing back, but I'm not completely sure. Maybe I'm missing something.
Showtime7 said:
OK so after running this ROM for a while I can see its mostly like the rest of the 6.5 roms I've tried. It started with the most available ram I've seen in a 6.5 rom but that is mainly due to the disabled camera. I start off at about 26mb free after flash, 23mb free on boot after installing all my apps and whatnot. Few hours later, I'm at 10-15mb free. I must be missing something here. No I don't use apps running in the background, yes I use hibernate every now and then. Still no use, I'm under 15mb free now without a camera. With DCD's rom I was just using I never went under 15, with my camera enabled. So I am thinking about flashing back, but I'm not completely sure. Maybe I'm missing something.
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Exactly what I experienced in the 6.5 ROMs I tried.