Ok, so after using DCD 3.3.4 for the past 6-7 months with no problems whatsoever, I had the urge to start this flashing business again. I just couldnt help myself.
So I tried out several of the 6.5 ROMS available both here and over on PPCGeeks. I dont know why, but I just cant get myself to like them. A bit too slow for my taste I guess, I dont think the Titan can handle them very well due to the RAM.
So I want to go back to WinMo 6.1 ... but before just going back to my trusty old DCD 3.3.4, any other 6.1 ROM's I should try out? I'll try DCD 4.1.2 , but some people look like they've had issues with it?
Any other 6.1 ROM's to recommend? Greatly appreciated.
I like nerdstrap's ROM but it has the same problem as most newer 6.1 ROMs where WMP won't play video that the phone records. That and typing addresses into IE6 is REALLY slow but I was using his first ROM so he may have fixed that.
I've been running DCD's 4.1.2 for about 24 hours now, and I'm loving it! More free memory and it's tons faster than the DCD ROM I was using before!
So far, no complaints from me! And SPB Mobile Shell 3 is awesome on it!
i've been using Ryan Mogul 6800's custom 2.0 Heavy 6.1 i like it alot so far very smooth and runs great
Well, after going through about a half-dozen ROM options...
DCD 4.1.2
Cant go wrong with the original
Another vote for 4.1.2
dcd is still king!!! im using 4.1.2 with spb mobile shell 3 and it works like a charm. only issue i have to report is that the txt input lags a little when typing, but it catches up and is not a major issue.
a lot of the 6.5 roms seem to be to heavy so 4.1.2 is the perfect lite solution if u already have the cabs and programs that you plan to use.
dcd and spb it seems this is the way to be
Whats SPB Mobile Shell do? I have not heard of it before
edit- Looked it up, seems really nice, but how's it do on RAM usage? Does it slow you down a lot? Seems like it would be a resource intensive program.
I've been using DCD 4.1.2 and SPB Mobile Shell 3 for about a day and a half now. I was only averaging about 10 MB RAM free before I flashed. Now I'm averaging 19-20 MB free. Everything is so much faster!!
Many thanks to DCD!!
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ryanmogul light > dcd 4.1.2
rajuabju said:
Well, after going through about a half-dozen ROM options...
DCD 4.1.2
Cant go wrong with the original
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I switched from 3.2.6 as well to 4.1.2, I was a late adopter and kicked myself for not going sooner. I had the same issue with 6.5 on the titan. Even with 3.2.6 I RARELY soft reset, but found after running a few apps I could only have one open at a time. With 4.1.2 it seems the "dynamic freeing" of RAM works better and my last 3-4 apps seem to always be open. TomTom seems to be the only one that I have to close everything, but not all the time. I still don't soft-reset.
If DCD ever posts another ROM, I will switch quick!
I'm on the last Titan Reloaded beta, and have been for a few months - it's well-behaved and pretty snappy. I'd like to try Ryan's builds, but he hasn't done one for Telus yet. Surprised not to see any other Reloaded users here...any particular reasons against it?
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Whats SPB Mobile Shell do? I have not heard of it before
edit- Looked it up, seems really nice, but how's it do on RAM usage? Does it slow you down a lot? Seems like it would be a resource intensive program.
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i dont recall what was free, but i never had any memory problems with it. it ran snappy enough for me. i think it drained the battery a little faster but nothing dramatic. i even ran it for a little while on bbsandkm's 6.5 roms and didnt have any memory issues. they have a free trial so you can check it out for yourself. if i recall correctly it installs via cab and can be uninstalled easily if you don't like it.
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I'm on the last Titan Reloaded beta, and have been for a few months - it's well-behaved and pretty snappy. I'd like to try Ryan's builds, but he hasn't done one for Telus yet. Surprised not to see any other Reloaded users here...any particular reasons against it?
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I've also been waiting for Ryan to make a Telus build
he says he'll work on one for the next rev. take a look in the heavy thread. you can help me test it.
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I've been using DCD 4.1.2 and SPB Mobile Shell 3 for about a day and a half now. I was only averaging about 10 MB RAM free before I flashed. Now I'm averaging 19-20 MB free. Everything is so much faster!!
Many thanks to DCD!!
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with rom in sig im at 20mb... like it but has a few quirks that i have encountered... last week i tried downloading some of the "heavy" roms but didnt like them as much.... im not fond of the 6.5 or titanium or whatever it was... i like the mobile 6.1 and touch flo...
however im now looking at spb mobile 3 and it looks cool... think im gonna try dcd 4.1.2 and mobile shell...... gonna do that right now...
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with rom in sig im at 20mb... like it but has a few quirks that i have encountered... last week i tried downloading some of the "heavy" roms but didnt like them as much.... im not fond of the 6.5 or titanium or whatever it was... i like the mobile 6.1 and touch flo...
however im now looking at spb mobile 3 and it looks cool... think im gonna try dcd 4.1.2 and mobile shell...... gonna do that right now...
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Let me know how it works for you after some testing.
I'm loving DCD 4.1.2, I've got all my programs up and running, last thing to fix is GPS.
TouchFlo will never work well on the Titan due to lack of sufficient RAM. I've been looking at Mobile Shell 3 and it looks very nice, so if you report it doesnt kill RAM availability, I may try it out.
Oh, and to ANYONE who uses Adobe Acrobat 2.0 or 2.5 or whatever for PDF... I recommend you switch to Foxit Reader ASAP. It is so much faster and better in so many ways I cant believe it took me so long to switch.
wanna try dcd 4.1.2 , but just can't find the kitchen. Could anybody pointed me??
10k thanks in advance...........
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wanna try dcd 4.1.2 , but just can't find the kitchen. Could anybody pointed me??
10k thanks in advance...........
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that is ok i found the link...
but reading it im not sure what i have to do .. it says download, install, pst or whatever and enable internet while disconnected..
WHAT IS ALL THAT!!!! newbies shouldnt be toyin with this.. but then i would be out of the loop...
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whats all the new features if any? does it have the pic mail yet? (sprint)
gimme the low-down on this new rom and if its worth even updating to and why?
I see DCD got home from work and has like lightning already put together a new kitchen for it....Your rock D
No good, no bad? is this thing worth the trouble of having to reload all programs, backing up data etc.
Tregrad said:
No good, no bad? is this thing worth the trouble of having to reload all programs, backing up data etc.
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It's just a better excuse to reload your phone than "I deleted some files I shouldnt have..."
GPS is faster and more accurate.
Rev A is more stable and pie doesn't hang.
Comes with task manager, so one less cab to install. I haven't seen any major issues yet. It's like the good version of the leaked rom -- imagine that! And best of all, you can bring your gps enabled mogul into the sprint store without feeling like a criminal for having an "bootleg" rom. I prefer wm6.0 to 6.1 personally, so I'll prolly stick with stock until DCD and/or no2chem work out the 6.1 bugs a bit more, and patch up the major memory leak in those roms.
Sliced bread -- yes.
Upgrade -- yes.
just get it
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GPS is faster and more accurate.
Rev A is more stable and pie doesn't hang.
Comes with task manager, so one less cab to install. I haven't seen any major issues yet. It's like the good version of the leaked rom -- imagine that! And best of all, you can bring your gps enabled mogul into the sprint store without feeling like a criminal for having an "bootleg" rom. I prefer wm6.0 to 6.1 personally, so I'll prolly stick with stock until DCD and/or no2chem work out the 6.1 bugs a bit more, and patch up the major memory leak in those roms.
Sliced bread -- yes.
Upgrade -- yes.
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been reading about dcds new kitchen and it sounds like he got off work yesterday and slammed something together in a matter of hours that took sprint MONTHS to do and it works better LOL
did they fix the pic mail thing or is it still something they advertized with the mogul but cant do?
32M at boot I am running numerous apps and no problems......smooth and fast......I had 7 apps open at once and it ran them no problem....Skyfire, messaging, etc.......I have TL loaded and still sit at 25-26M....this is by far the best ROM I have run and it is not finished yet.....the camera is not loaded until NO2Chem finishes working on it....if your looking for memory....this is for you!!!!!
is the bluetooth working on it? also, what is the link for it?
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he has a fix for bluetooth, and here is the link. you must donate to download.
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/
Sweet... I will wait till Someone finishes beta testing right now the release is only for Sprint Users and not for Verizon users.... I am looking foward when they have a verizon release.
Can you upload the newest No2chem rom, please?
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Can you upload the newest No2chem rom, please?
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lol...no....he said finals will be available for all, but beta builds for those who donate.....if you really want to try it, give him a buck. for all he has done for this device...people should really donate....
I just went up there and only see 6096-3pre1. Is that the rom you are talking about. Also,is it true these will work on Sprint only?
Donate, it is well worth it. Even if its only a small amount, it helps him out alot. and 3pre1 is the latest release. it is a very very stripped down version of wm but it works wonderfully. I can actually do stuff on my mogul now. Biggest noticable loss is no more camera, but he is working on that. IMO, best rom out there right now. Hands down. worth any penny in donations. I plan on donating more when i have the money to
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I just went up there and only see 6096-3pre1. Is that the rom you are talking about. Also,is it true these will work on Sprint only?
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works on my verizon got my internet and my vzw stuff
its an impressive beta release but no nuetools *sniffs*
just installed this. the screen switch is REALLY quick. my jawbone works nicely as well.
gmaps/voice command are fast too.
I have Mogul/2.47/3.42.50 & 2.04_003 w/ 60711
I donated, downloaded, and flashed. It's got a lot of memory available, but it's still buggy.
I went back to dcd 3.2.6, which also has good memory and is much less buggy with a working camera.
indagroove said:
I donated, downloaded, and flashed. It's got a lot of memory available, but it's still buggy.
I went back to dcd 3.2.6, which also has good memory and is much less buggy with a working camera.
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Can you elaborate as to what exactly was buggy?
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I donated, downloaded, and flashed. It's got a lot of memory available, but it's still buggy.
I went back to dcd 3.2.6, which also has good memory and is much less buggy with a working camera.
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What is buggy? I have mine loaded up with apps and have no issues at all...I had a scrolling issue where it kept scrolling on its own once....that was I first installed everything which was much earlier in the day.....been running 8-10 hours with no more issues at all.....
I flashed preview 1 last night, pulled out battery, put it back in, loaded my apps, and it ran like sh*t all day today. Great memory but very slow, buggy, half of my programs didn't work, and the battery life was terrible.
Since everyone else seemed to be having a grand time with it, I figured it was my error, and of course it was.
All it took was another hard reset, reinstall, now it runs like a charm
I've always heard people talk about these complex post-flashing rituals, but I figured it wasn't necessary. Well i guess it is a good idea to pull the battery, AND hard reset after a flash after all.
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What is buggy? I have mine loaded up with apps and have no issues at all...I had a scrolling issue where it kept scrolling on its own once....that was I first installed everything which was much earlier in the day.....been running 8-10 hours with no more issues at all.....
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The on-screen keyboard is buggy, you can't see the bottom row of characters.
I think enlarge start menu caused some problems with weirdness in the start menu.
I'm not a fan of the stock dialer, and when I tried to cab install the vogue dialer, the icon for call history was transparent to the today screen.
It seemed to run slower than dcd's rom after I added all my usual programs, even though I had more ram available.
I did not build from the kitchen, just added cabs to the pre-build, so maybe a kitchen build would be more stable. It could also be some non-compatable program that added overall bugginess.
Obviously no camera is kind of a bummer, even though i don't really use the camera all that much anyways.
Overall, I'd say it's a big step forward, and is groundbreaking in some ways. However, I still feel that today, dcd 3.2.6 is overall a more solid rom.
Sprint Users Only? Not really
Per No2Chem, the flash-ready rom is for Sprint. But the kitchen allows you to choose any carrier. I built mine from the kitchen. It took a little time to figure out how to use the kitchen and I can explain if someone needs helps.
Adjust OOM...?
Does anyone know what the 2 "Adjust OOM" options do in the nueROM3 kitchen?
I tried to find answers before posting but was unsuccessful. I just figured since the kitchen and rom itself were so stripped down, that No2Chem would not have made it a point to include them if they were useless, so yesterday I just checked them both and my phone seems fine so far...
Also - I tried posting this question on http://www.nuerom.com but when I hit "save comment" it just sits there and does not actually submit my post. Maybe I'm not signed there? is the login different than the donator login?
indagroove said:
The on-screen keyboard is buggy, you can't see the bottom row of characters.
I think enlarge start menu caused some problems with weirdness in the start menu.
I'm not a fan of the stock dialer, and when I tried to cab install the vogue dialer, the icon for call history was transparent to the today screen.
It seemed to run slower than dcd's rom after I added all my usual programs, even though I had more ram available.
I did not build from the kitchen, just added cabs to the pre-build, so maybe a kitchen build would be more stable. It could also be some non-compatable program that added overall bugginess.
Obviously no camera is kind of a bummer, even though i don't really use the camera all that much anyways.
Overall, I'd say it's a big step forward, and is groundbreaking in some ways. However, I still feel that today, dcd 3.2.6 is overall a more solid rom.
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1...on screen keyboard issue yes...
2 I am runnning Quick menu
3 I am running the Minimal dialer with no probs...
4. In my opinion it is the fatest rom I have used outside of JD's ROM
5. I added all of my apps and regedits through SASHAMI......and added a few OEM's through NuePackage installer.....
6 Camera is an ssue but he is working on that and I knew there was no camera before flashing....I know no camera is a deal breaker for now.....
It is a pre-release but I am sure it will all be working fine when the final build is done....but mine seems to be running fine really....
I am running my setup with WAD and WA3 as startup, usually always a slow go on my titan. I boot up with 27+mb of memory. I set my pagepool at 10 when i made the rom and am very happy. pre0 was a deal breaker for me cause he didn't have working bluetooth. But now that its in the rom again, i couldn't be happier.
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Does anyone know what the 2 "Adjust OOM" options do in the nueROM3 kitchen?
I tried to find answers before posting but was unsuccessful. I just figured since the kitchen and rom itself were so stripped down, that No2Chem would not have made it a point to include them if they were useless, so yesterday I just checked them both and my phone seems fine so far...
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It has to do with the "Out Of Memory" in windows mobile. (see here http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms911907.aspx) Changing that basically adjust the way WinMo handles OOM's. By lowering the threshold, WinMo doesn't close down apps as eagerly as normal.
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I also must add that having the extra RAM makes this phone an entirely different beast for me. iGO8 and Opera Mobile 9.5 caused some issues before due to how RAM hungry they are. Now, they are not a problem. But not having the camera is kind of a bummer, and the keyboard is horrible . But I will continue testing because this has MAJOR potential
Cobaltikus said:
Per No2Chem, the flash-ready rom is for Sprint. But the kitchen allows you to choose any carrier. I built mine from the kitchen. It took a little time to figure out how to use the kitchen and I can explain if someone needs helps.
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I would love to try it - please do explain or pm me!
Hi Everyone,
I am hoping to replace the ROM in my Sprint Mogul phone since I cannot replace the phone for over a year. I am looking for an Android/iPhone type of interface. The less I have to use my stylus the better. And I am hoping for a snappier interface. I would also like to be able to use the camera and wifi occasionally. I also use Sprint's Navigation package often and plan to buy an off road mapping program. Every day I use calendar and contacts. Finally I use the bluetooth every day with MS voice command.
My Mogul is on ROM V 3.35.651.2, Radio V 3.35.04.
I've read through the wiki and believe I understand the process. The one area I am struggling with is which ROM will best suit my needs. From the wiki I find these choices:
dcd
scrosler
nueROM
No2chem 5067
Key kitchen
Which ROM would you recommend to best suit my needs?
No replies? So I guess DCD it is.
sonwon said:
No replies? So I guess DCD it is.
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no replies because its a silly question. read the different ROM threads and see what users are saying about them. put the pieces together based on things you read and BOOM, flash a ROM. try it out. if you dont like it, try another. very easy.
Thanks for the reply.
I was looking for a good foundation build for a stylus free experience. And hoping to save some time by not having to flash my way through a zillion ROMs.
Well I mean, these phones are not meant to be touch screen only like a iPhone. You can install a ROM with a lot of finger friendly app's and then top it off with an install of FtouchFlo which enables 4 way touch scrolling in any app that needs panned or scrolled.
That was the route I am headed in since I have another year with this phone. I am working on a list of applications now. My partial list:
iris browser
calendar+
pocketCM
manilla 2D
HTC home
HTS home customizer
s2u2
PCM keyboard
SPB mobile shell
youtubeplayer
I likely have some duplicates in this list.
sonwon said:
That was the route I am headed in since I have another year with this phone. I am working on a list of applications now. My partial list:
iris browser
calendar+
pocketCM
manilla 2D
HTC home
HTS home customizer
s2u2
PCM keyboard
SPB mobile shell
youtubeplayer
I likely have some duplicates in this list.
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you'lll want to stick with the 6.1 roms then. also, if you do 6.5 its a little intense on the mogul due to memory usage, i have roughly 8 megs free on a good day with active sync running.
i think with the ryan RUU 6.1 i had around 30-35 free
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you'lll want to stick with the 6.1 roms then. also, if you do 6.5 its a little intense on the mogul due to memory usage, i have roughly 8 megs free on a good day with active sync running.
i think with the ryan RUU 6.1 i had around 30-35 free
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Geez, assess what you have running! I have a solid 25 meg free on 6.5. You may have quite a lot going on in the background.
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Geez, assess what you have running! I have a solid 25 meg free on 6.5. You may have quite a lot going on in the background.
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just syncing to exchange is all. and whatever is at start from the firmware (using RUU light 2.1 Winmo6.5)
i changed my page size to 6, freed up alot actually.
oh, and btonetbone, are you using himem or lowmem? i still use my camera, so its under low, with high mem, i think its around 25 free
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oh, and btonetbone, are you using himem or lowmem? i still use my camera, so its under low, with high mem, i think its around 25 free
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I'm usually in high memory mode. But that doesn't usually cause a 17 meg variance; it's more like 6 or 7.
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I'm usually in high memory mode. But that doesn't usually cause a 17 meg variance; it's more like 6 or 7.
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could be why, i'm using low memory mode for the camera
I think 6.5 is worth the loss of RAM.
My custom 6.5 has about 27.5 on boot, around 24 after a day of use. That's with high mem mode. With low mem, 21M on boot. That's about as good as you will get with 6.5. If you need more RAM than that, go with 6.1. You simply won't get more than 28M on boot with 6.5.
I loaded DCD's ROM and then decided I wanted to try Ryan's WM 6.5 UI 7 heavy ROM. After loading I noticed there was only 10MB free and decided that wouldn't work for me so I went back to the DCD ROM. Now when I boot I still see Ryan's splash screen. I did the hard reset. I am guessing there is a spot where the ROM doesn't overwrite can someone nudge me in the right direction on how to replace files there?
Also, I am going to give Ryan's WM 6.5 UI 7 light ROM a try.
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I loaded DCD's ROM and then decided I wanted to try Ryan's WM 6.5 UI 7 heavy ROM. After loading I noticed there was only 10MB free and decided that wouldn't work for me so I went back to the DCD ROM. Now when I boot I still see Ryan's splash screen. I did the hard reset. I am guessing there is a spot where the ROM doesn't overwrite can someone nudge me in the right direction on how to replace files there?
Also, I am going to give Ryan's WM 6.5 UI 7 light ROM a try.
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To have more free RAM using WM 6.5 on a TITAN its recommended that you run in High Memory mode, meaning Camera Disabled. Even with my light version you are still going to need to disable camera. It all depends on what you use the phone for. If you go into Settings/System Settings/NueKernel and run in High Memory you will see a huge difference in memory. Just remember to turn camera back on before flashing to another ROM that does not include Nuekernel.
Thanks for the reply Ryan. I'll give that a try.
What about the splash screen?
Also what is the phone doing while the splash screen is showing, seems like a long wait at this spot.
I always want newer and better. Last week I upgraded from dcd's 3.2.6 to 4.1.2. Much faster, better memory, speedy gps locks, and no crashes yet.
I run a few commercial medical reference programs that are a major hassle to load and activate, so it is a pain to keep flashing my phone.
Can anyone comment between how well the 6.5's work vs. dcd 4.1.2
It's a very different animal.
First and foremost, the Today Screen has been completely redone in the default Titanium screen. I'm sure you've seen it around. You can still revert back to the old Today screen with a simple setting adjustment in the Settings Menu.
Secondly, nearly everything features finger friendly scrolling. It's built in with no real need for additional items such as FTouchFLO.
Third, the start menu has been redone to make it look more contemporary. Some people like it, some don't. You can adjust it to your liking by replacing various files.
Fourth, a programmer/PPC junkie going by no2chem introduced something in his 6.1 ROMs called nueKernel which is being implemented into nearly every 6.5 ROM. It allows you to enable or disable the camera temporarily to add more available RAM. Because of this, it's possible to have more free available RAM than you've most likely seen before on the Titan. For example, my ROM (and Ryan's, and most other current 6.5 ROMs) will boot with 25+ meg free.
Fifth, please note that those are most superficial UI adjustments. They are improving things under the hood, too, to make the OS better.
Your best way to compare is by flashing. If you like 6.5, stick with it. If you don't, there are plenty of fantastic 6.1 ROMs to choose from.
if its speed what you want then stay with dcd. no 6.5 has been able to come close to dcd.
on the other hand like btonetbone said a different animal and slower no matter the tweaking.
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if its speed what you want then stay with dcd. no 6.5 has been able to come close to dcd.
on the other hand like btonetbone said a different animal and slower no matter the tweaking.
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I won't argue with this because I don't have benchmarks. DCD's ROMs are extremely fast; I used them all the up through 3.3.something and loved them.
But 6.5 isn't a hog, either. It runs very fast and snappy on my phone, and I have very little complaints regarding speed. Please don't take the above comments as saying the 6.5 ROMs are slow.
compared to dcd 6.5 is slower. i didnt say 6.5 is slow
I'll give you my opinion......... since I played with them all.
I had been running DCD 3.3.4 for 6-8 months until about a month ago when the "tinker bug" kicked in again and I had to flash and play with new ROM's.
I first went to 6.5 ROM's by RyanMogul and a few others both here and on PPCGeeks. All of them are visually stunning, but, all of them ARE slower than ROM's running 6.1
Also, for me, free memory was an issue. 6.5 simply needs more memory than 6.1 and there isn't nothing you can do about it. 6.5 ideally should be run on phones with 128MB RAM or more.
I loved 6.5 for its looks, but, I run programs like SPB Phone Suite, Pocket Weather, Palringo, and others, often simultaneously, and that just wasnt realistic with 6.5 due to low RAM availability.
So I went back to 6.1, and to good old DCD. 4.1.2 is amazing in my opinion. It has major performance and memory management improvements over his previous ROM's. It's incredibly stable, and it IS faster than any other ROM (6.1 or 6.5) I've personally tried out.
It's given my xv6800 some more life. Until the Tour comes out and I jump onto the evil Blackberry bandwagon, 4.1.2 is it for me.
I highly recommend.
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I'll give you my opinion......... since I played with them all.
I had been running DCD 3.3.4 for 6-8 months until about a month ago when the "tinker bug" kicked in again and I had to flash and play with new ROM's.
I first went to 6.5 ROM's by RyanMogul and a few others both here and on PPCGeeks. All of them are visually stunning, but, all of them ARE slower than ROM's running 6.1
Also, for me, free memory was an issue. 6.5 simply needs more memory than 6.1 and there isn't nothing you can do about it. 6.5 ideally should be run on phones with 128MB RAM or more.
I loved 6.5 for its looks, but, I run programs like SPB Phone Suite, Pocket Weather, Palringo, and others, often simultaneously, and that just wasnt realistic with 6.5 due to low RAM availability.
So I went back to 6.1, and to good old DCD. 4.1.2 is amazing in my opinion. It has major performance and memory management improvements over his previous ROM's. It's incredibly stable, and it IS faster than any other ROM (6.1 or 6.5) I've personally tried out.
It's given my xv6800 some more life. Until the Tour comes out and I jump onto the evil Blackberry bandwagon, 4.1.2 is it for me.
I highly recommend.
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Thank you for explaining that so eloquently. I think you've just convinced me to go back to 6.1 after running 6.5 for roughly a month. 6.5 is amazing and very finger friendly, but not the OS for the Titan. Just uses too much memory, no matter what. I've tried different programs to free up RAM and keep me from soft resetting 2 or 3 times a day, but none of them really work. On 6.5 I can almost never run 2 apps at once, unless they are very small. So back to good ol DCD for me. At least until I get a new device! (touch pro maybe )
Just my 2 cents
Currently I am running Mattsm 6.5 23003b and this morning I was running 4 apps and switching between them with enough memory for all of them. I was on a website, Biblegateway, had a java application open, Go Bible by Jolon Faichney, Word 6.1 and Windows Mobile 6.5 Titanium Today (this skin allows both vertical scrolling and on some panes, horizontal movement) which I was using as the switching point to jump back and forth. I have run DCD ROMs in the past and they are great ROMs but if you want to see what is possible with your Titan follow the different developers.
Showtime7 said:
Thank you for explaining that so eloquently. I think you've just convinced me to go back to 6.1 after running 6.5 for roughly a month. 6.5 is amazing and very finger friendly, but not the OS for the Titan. Just uses too much memory, no matter what. I've tried different programs to free up RAM and keep me from soft resetting 2 or 3 times a day, but none of them really work. On 6.5 I can almost never run 2 apps at once, unless they are very small. So back to good ol DCD for me. At least until I get a new device! (touch pro maybe )
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
I'd love to see Ryan prove this by releasing his "light" rom with a required cab. I bet if the rom didn't have all the the extra ring tones and addons he includes, we'd boot to more than 17.5mb I've available in his wm7 rom.
I'm glad you mentioned you can turn off the new today screen. I'm not impressed so far. But the big thing is that my GPS is working again which it never did with DCD's last release.
BrianLayman said:
One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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I was just thinking, DCD should change his name to Optimus Prime
BrianLayman said:
One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
I'd love to see Ryan prove this by releasing his "light" rom with a required cab. I bet if the CAB didn't have all the the extra ring tones and addons he includes, we'd boot to more than 17.5mb I've available in his wm7 rom.
I'm glad you mentioned you can turn off the new today screen. I'm not impressed so far. But the big thing is that my GPS is working again which it never did with DCD's last release.
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Please don't mumble about me incoherently. My ROMs do not use any CABs besides 1.1 Heavy and thats 1 out of 7 ROMs. Version 1.1 Heavy installs Google maps using a cab and M2D via Auto Customization.. Otherwise there is not a single CAB involved in the any other of my ROMs flashing and booting the first time..
The ringtones are not a CAB.. They are added ingredients used while cooking a ROM in a kitchen..
Release my ROM without the required cab...??? wtf.. lol
I know I should include less ringtones but I do the best I can. I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb pointing out any imperfection you can find to take away from its luster..
I release several versions so if you want pretty and loaded, you get that. If you want ugly and slim, you get that too. And a few things in between. Like I said I try.
I will remove some of the ringtones next time I cook and relocate several installs to make sure they stay only in the windows directory because I know what you guys mean.
Some ppl are just dicks. I'm currently running ryans 6.5 the heavy one. He did a great job since I want 6.5 on my mogul till the TP2 comes out. I turned off most of the things I don't need like the new today screen and the camera which I hardly ever use, I'm consistently at over 25mb but I mostly use my phone to get e-mails and txt.
dcd1182 said:
i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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Hey who's this guy?? Glad to see your alive and well dcd.... Just another thanks for all you've done for the community....
dcd1182 said:
i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash. Free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in.
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Ah, that could fit with what you were saying. Man, now I wish I could find the exact quote. I'd like to better understand what you were saying with this added bit of info. I've searched for about 20 minutes with no luck.
You were responding for the 20th time to someone asking why you'd only released a ROM and one that didn't have games or something in it. I read it to say that if the ROM was smaller and people installed their req software via cabs, in general, everyone would have more free program memory. Which seemed to make sense... I just carried it a little further than you meant, and assumed then that items installed to the device later didn't affect the amount of "ram" available. sigh... I miss the days the memory slider on my old e750 that allowed me to override balance between storage memory and program memory. Anyway, thanks for the additional info.
RyanMogul6800 said:
Please don't mumble about me incoherently. My ROMs do not use any CABs besides 1.1 Heavy and thats 1 out of 7 ROMs. Version 1.1 Heavy installs Google maps using a cab and M2D via Auto Customization.. Otherwise there is not a single CAB involved in the any other of my ROMs flashing and booting the first time..
The ringtones are not a CAB.. They are added ingredients used while cooking a ROM in a kitchen..
Release my ROM without the required cab...??? wtf.. lol
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Ryan, dude, slow down a minute and read what I actually typed.
I never said anything about your current ROMS requiring CABs nor did I say that you'd released a ROM that was a missing required CAB.
I was talking about doing an experiment, making a test build, to prove a theory about memory usage. Sometimes that's what we do, we try an idea, see if it improves the situation and drop it when it doesn't pan out. Heck, I didn't even expect you to be reading this thread. So, I certainly wouldn't have been criticizing you or your work here.
What worries me more is the "Please don't mumble about me". No one said anything against you. Even if people do say stuff about your works, don't take it as a criticism about you, personally. If you keep doing that, you'll lead a miserable life as a developer.
I know releasing no-cost software on which everyone has an opinion is difficult. But if you are so uptight, so quickly, you really should step back from reading threads for a bit. This place WILL drive you nuts if you let it, but it will happen much faster if you take everything as a judgment of your worth.
RyanMogul6800 said:
I know I should include less ringtones but I do the best I can. I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb pointing out any imperfection you can find to take away from its luster..
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As explained above, I've never criticized a single feature of your ROM. I mentioned 17.5 free on your heavy ROM with the wm7 extras, but I consider that darn good for your heaviest ROM. I've booted under other roms to 15 something.
And as far as "I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb", well... you should.
Take all the input and critiques you can. After 20 years as a programmer I know bugs happen. I'm not perfect. Making good stuff makes me proud, but I'll tell you now that I won't ever create a perfect piece of complex software on the 1st or 10th go around. If someone points out a problem, then that is a chance for my stuff to be even better, if I decide I want to fix it.
I am now running your 6.1 light version, which I think is incredible. Your roms have resolved several issues I've had with this refurb phone I am now using. And while I am extremely impressed with the level of detail you've gone to(like the fact that you've included the right codecs/dlls for tcpmp to play wma files on 6.1), you should not be surprised that I have found a nit-picky mistake and have some suggestions for you to consider.
I'd not share them here in any case, as it is off topic to this thread, and if it will hurt your feelings or honor for me to post it anywhere, I'll keep the information to myself. At least the one suggestion, will add a missing feature to your ROM, but I'll leave it up to you.
my mogul will be here this week and i want to unlock it and flash the latest gps rom and radio. the ppc will be for sprint. id also like to install a light weight but fast 6.5 rom as well. can you guys point me in the right direction? will the bell 3.42.50 radio work on this phone?
thanks in advance!
anybody???
There's a wiki somewhere but you can use this from over at ppcgeeks.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=33857
This tells you how to do everything.
okay but can you guys recommend a lightweight 6.5 rom?
I alternate between RyanMogul's heavy 6.5 ROM (he makes a light too - I just haven't tried it) and bbsandkm's light 6.5 ROM (over at ppcgeeks). Both are great!
I vote for bbsandkm's light 6.5 ROM
I vote for ryanmoguls It seems to be there one I always go back to.
You bought a Mogul? Please tell me for less than $25...
If you want lightweight stick with a stripped down 6.1 ROM. Unless you really want Titanium or the Honeycomb (both of which I absolutely hate) then I've seen no benefit to running 6.5. Then again I haven't tested Ryan's 6.5 so maybe that one actually doesn't suck like all the others I've tested. They just eat tons of RAM with no difference other than Titanium and Honeycomb.
I second 6.1... Get DCD's 4.1.2 and you will have at least twice as much free ram as when you use 6.5... I tested 6.5 for about two weeks, went back to dcd's rom and I will never flash back to 6.5. It's just the fastest, lightest rom I've experienced, and it has some nice features as well. His older roms are good too but you miss out on some things like the touchflo in menus and in PIE. Well if you like soft resetting every couple hours then go for 6.5, knock yourself out. But if you're looking for overall best, most convenient, fastest, smoothest rom, I'd strongly recommend DCD's 4.1.2. With the right CAB's you will be able to suit it up how you like, but once you go 6.5 there's very little programs you can install and still have reasonable ram to work with.
Showtime7 said:
I second 6.1... Get DCD's 4.1.2 and you will have at least twice as much free ram as when you use 6.5... I tested 6.5 for about two weeks, went back to dcd's rom and I will never flash back to 6.5. It's just the fastest, lightest rom I've experienced, and it has some nice features as well. His older roms are good too but you miss out on some things like the touchflo in menus and in PIE. Well if you like soft resetting every couple hours then go for 6.5, knock yourself out. But if you're looking for overall best, most convenient, fastest, smoothest rom, I'd strongly recommend DCD's 4.1.2. With the right CAB's you will be able to suit it up how you like, but once you go 6.5 there's very little programs you can install and still have reasonable ram to work with.
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I don't think you used a good 6.5 if that's the case. After everything is installed on my ROM, I boot with over 25 meg free. At the end of the day, I'm still well above 21.
I'm not saying 6.1 is bad - in fact, I spent a day on DCD 4.1.2 and remembered what good work he did. It's a fantastic ROM, but I have not ever seen that poor memory on 6.5.
unL33T said:
If you want lightweight stick with a stripped down 6.1 ROM. Unless you really want Titanium or the Honeycomb (both of which I absolutely hate) then I've seen no benefit to running 6.5. Then again I haven't tested Ryan's 6.5 so maybe that one actually doesn't suck like all the others I've tested. They just eat tons of RAM with no difference other than Titanium and Honeycomb.
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Well, 6.5 is slightly more finger-friendly than 6.1, like, finger scrolling works in most apps on a bare 6.5
I tried a least 4 different roms... new released ones, this was like 2 weeks ago. Please point me to a stable, fast 6.5 rom with that much available memory and I will take what I said back, but I tried numerous roms with no luck. None anything even close to DCD's.
Showtime7 said:
I tried a least 4 different roms... new released ones, this was like 2 weeks ago. Please point me to a stable, fast 6.5 rom with that much available memory and I will take what I said back, but I tried numerous roms with no luck. None anything even close to DCD's.
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I'm not saying I'm as good as DCD; he has waaaay more technical knowledge than I could ever lay claim to. But here you go. My ROM boots on the initial flash in the high 20's of free RAM. Make sure you set this to High Memory Mode under Start -> Settings -> System -> Kernel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532030
Thanks, I'll try it out tonight and report back.
I just finished a WM 6.1 Build 21042 kitchen. Its pretty straight forward.
So far so good, looks like I was wrong. But I don't know how annoying it will be to have to reset every time I have to use my camera. I'll see how well the memory holds after I get my apps, though with 6.5 as I remember apps are hardly needed, at least not for finger friendliness.
Kwokinator said:
Well, 6.5 is slightly more finger-friendly than 6.1, like, finger scrolling works in most apps on a bare 6.5
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The newer versions of 6.1 have this as well.
Also, I actually prefer to NOT have that functionality in a ROM because then I can install FTouchFlo and have finger friendly gestures working in almost EVERY program whether it came with the ROM or not. If it's built into the OS it becomes harder to figure out how to make the built in gesture functionality not conflict with FTouchFlo.
It is nice sometimes though to just flash a ROM and have finger gestures right out of the box.
OK so after running this ROM for a while I can see its mostly like the rest of the 6.5 roms I've tried. It started with the most available ram I've seen in a 6.5 rom but that is mainly due to the disabled camera. I start off at about 26mb free after flash, 23mb free on boot after installing all my apps and whatnot. Few hours later, I'm at 10-15mb free. I must be missing something here. No I don't use apps running in the background, yes I use hibernate every now and then. Still no use, I'm under 15mb free now without a camera. With DCD's rom I was just using I never went under 15, with my camera enabled. So I am thinking about flashing back, but I'm not completely sure. Maybe I'm missing something.
Showtime7 said:
OK so after running this ROM for a while I can see its mostly like the rest of the 6.5 roms I've tried. It started with the most available ram I've seen in a 6.5 rom but that is mainly due to the disabled camera. I start off at about 26mb free after flash, 23mb free on boot after installing all my apps and whatnot. Few hours later, I'm at 10-15mb free. I must be missing something here. No I don't use apps running in the background, yes I use hibernate every now and then. Still no use, I'm under 15mb free now without a camera. With DCD's rom I was just using I never went under 15, with my camera enabled. So I am thinking about flashing back, but I'm not completely sure. Maybe I'm missing something.
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Exactly what I experienced in the 6.5 ROMs I tried.