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Hey folks,
Do you think that our lovely Titan will receive an official update?
Yes, I think even the gen1 devices are getting the apollo update (WP8)
Finalforce1111 said:
Hey folks,
Do you think that our lovely Titan will receive an official update?
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HTC Titan theoratically should be getting uptil WP8.5 or WP9 unless those version will need extra hardware to run. Microsoft has sold major phones on contract bases. Contracts in Europe and USA are 2 years. Thus, Microsoft would ideally try and not be Android. Instead it will be more like iPhone where iPhone 3G got uptil iOS 5 but runs a little choppy now after 3 updates.
Forgive me for coming into this conversation late then;
Is the plan that Windows 8 will be an update available for anyone with a Windows 7.5 device? In other words, if i go out and buy the Titan this afternoon (most likely) and 8 comes out in a months time, il be able to load 8 on to the device? Or simply that new devices will come with 8 installed?
It's my understanding that Windows 8 and WP8 will both use a different kernel. So the CE based kernel in WP7 will not be compatible. Not sure how they'd handle the transition, but it would be nice to be able to have WP8 on the Titan.
LessThanSte said:
Forgive me for coming into this conversation late then;
Is the plan that Windows 8 will be an update available for anyone with a Windows 7.5 device? In other words, if i go out and buy the Titan this afternoon (most likely) and 8 comes out in a months time, il be able to load 8 on to the device? Or simply that new devices will come with 8 installed?
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Yes, 8 will be an update, it's not going to be a new device exclusive thing. The Titan is going to get it, as was already said in this thread. And I would not be surprised if every windows phone gets it. Every single one.
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It's my understanding that Windows 8 and WP8 will both use a different kernel. So the CE based kernel in WP7 will not be compatible. Not sure how they'd handle the transition, but it would be nice to be able to have WP8 on the Titan.
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I don't think this is true. Any of it. First of all, WP7 uses CE 7 as the kernel and it still has support for WM6 (CE 6) applications. I haven't heard anything about a CE 8, and I highly doubt that they would move on to a CE 8 kernel so early in Window's Phone history. I could be wrong. But even if CE 8 is the new kernel, it will have zero impact on compatibility. It has already been stated that WP8 will run all WP7 apps (and frankly I don't think this even needed to be mentioning; to drop support two iterations in a row would be the death of the platform).
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Yes, 8 will be an update, it's not going to be a new device exclusive thing. The Titan is going to get it, as was already said in this thread. And I would not be surprised if every windows phone gets it. Every single one.
I don't think this is true. Any of it. First of all, WP7 uses CE 7 as the kernel and it still has support for WM6 (CE 6) applications. I haven't heard anything about a CE 8, and I highly doubt that they would move on to a CE 8 kernel so early in Window's Phone history. I could be wrong. But even if CE 8 is the new kernel, it will have zero impact on compatibility. It has already been stated that WP8 will run all WP7 apps (and frankly I don't think this even needed to be mentioning; to drop support two iterations in a row would be the death of the platform).
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What I meant is that I have heard WP8 will use the actual Windows 8 kernel, as in, the desktop and mobile version will use the full desktop kernel. I'm not sure how that would translate to an OTA update for us, or if that would even be possible without a tethered full wipe and reflash of the device.
EDIT: Here's where I read it... http://wmpoweruser.com/leak-confirms-windows-phone-8-will-use-the-windows-8-kernel/
You're right, they are making it the desktop kernel. I'm sure an OTA update can be done. If not, an updated ROM will be released.
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I think OTA for Windows Phone 8 will surely be rolled out. Titan being Gen 2, won't have any issues as far as all the indications go. If anything we will be flooded be amazing apps as there ought to be an influx of apps from Windows 8 devs too!
I think we hopefully will get ample of information in less than 3 weeks from now
This is a interesting topic, but if my memory not failing me, MSFT said at the start that all phones will get future updates. And while Apollo might be the first exeption or not, MSFT haven't stated any changes for future updates so I would say that until they officially says somthibg new, its business as usual. Or am I completly off? Just look at the difference between first and second gen. There was new hardware introduced but all got the update, only diff was if its no hardware for a specific function it can't simply run that...but the update brought the rest of the goodies, and even workarounds to give the best possible alternative was made.
Any word yet on a solid release date for ICS on the Xperia S?
UPDATED ICS FAQ!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26376219&postcount=998
(updated 22 may)
To avoid 1500 threads being created around this same thing I have created this thread as the official ICS discussion thread for the Xperia S.
I dont really understand Sony's policy about software , you're creating a new phone which relaesed in feb 2012 and the most current software is ice cream sandwich and the phone comes with gingerbread , it sounds like you creating a high end notebook and it comes with vista ,
you sucks Sony , believe me I'm telling this just buying Xperia S a few hours ago .
even though u sucks , u dont destroy my feelings about sony
Therollingstone said:
I dont really understand Sony's policy about software , you're creating a new phone which relaesed in feb 2012 and the most current software is ice cream sandwich and the phone comes with gingerbread , it sounds like you creating a high end notebook and it comes with vista ,
you sucks Sony , believe me I'm telling this just buying Xperia S a few hours ago .
even though u sucks , u dont destroy my feelings about sony
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We'll just have to hope that they work hard optimising it.. I prefer a delayed optimised ICS than a crappy worthless update
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They don't say that ICS release will be end March early April ?
arc_u said:
They don't say that ICS release will be end March early April ?
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Yea, I read that as well. In fact, I read it on that Playstation news app last night
MasterLinuxer said:
We'll just have to hope that they work hard optimising it.. I prefer a delayed optimised ICS than a crappy worthless update
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i 2nd that.
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We'll just have to hope that they work hard optimising it.. I prefer a delayed optimised ICS than a crappy worthless update
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I totally get what you say, but you don't want to wait for ages to put an outdated but optimized OS on your phone? I hope for some BETA tester ROM release from Sony on Xperia S forum as well.
I'm not sure we have to wait all that much longer...
They said it can be end of March/early April, I would assume they would try and release it around then, or at least that beta you speak of. I don't think Sony wants to adopt SE's update reputation, so I would hope they would release it around when they said they will release it.
Jelly Bean is in the works, sure, but it's all down to rumors at the moment to when it will be actually released. If we are one update behind for awhile, I don't really care as long as it's optimized for the phone, and not some half-baked, rushed OS port.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/android-5-release-date-jelly-bean_n_1306952.html
I will say that coming from a Nexus S which was running CM9 (ICS), the interface Sony has put on top of Gingerbread does a great job. I thought I'd hate taking the step back but other than a few little bits, it's not that big of a difference. Things like the themed progress bars and buttons really remove some of the ugliness that GB still had.
Don't get me wrong, I am VERY excited about ICS on this device but I don't miss ICS as much as I thought I would. I can certainly hold on for a few weeks.
Nimche said:
I totally get what you say, but you don't want to wait for ages to put an outdated but optimized OS on your phone? I hope for some BETA tester ROM release from Sony on Xperia S forum as well.
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For the general public, beta roms with problems can cause much more damage reputation-wise (aka "this phone sucks, it crashes all the time lol").
Also, I like how Asus has pushed fast ICS releases for the Transformer, but it does not yet have the stability of the previous HC version. Picking up your tablet/phone for a 3 minutes read and seeing it reboot spontaneously is not that great
So I prefer Sony to be a bit late and get a good ICS release at the first try. And when it comes to the Arc/Arc S, we will know the XPS version will be close
PandaVoyageur said:
For the general public, beta roms with problems can cause much more damage reputation-wise (aka "this phone sucks, it crashes all the time lol").
Also, I like how Asus has pushed fast ICS releases for the Transformer, but it does not yet have the stability of the previous HC version. Picking up your tablet/phone for a 3 minutes read and seeing it reboot spontaneously is not that great
So I prefer Sony to be a bit late and get a good ICS release at the first try. And when it comes to the Arc/Arc S, we will know the XPS version will be close
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What I would be suggesting is for them to work harder to hit the market at a right time with fully optimized upgrade. If they don't want loss of customer like what they did back in X10 time, they need to still work faster and base on 2011 model upgrade and what we saw, they are on a right track.
Nimche said:
What I would be suggesting is for them to work harder to hit the market at a right time with fully optimized upgrade. If they don't want loss of customer like what they did back in X10 time, they need to still work faster and base on 2011 model upgrade and what we saw, they are on a right track.
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How many brands have upgraded their lineup to ICS so far "at a right time and fully optimized"? If Sony delivers an upgrade before end of Q2 they're still in a comparable time with other brands unless all the others suddenly deliver it in the following 1-2 months, because so far only Samsung (that is the biggest Android manufacturer at the moment) is barely pointing to an imminent SGS2 upgrade (based on rumors, not even officially yet).
Therollingstone said:
I dont really understand Sony's policy about software , you're creating a new phone which relaesed in feb 2012 and the most current software is ice cream sandwich and the phone comes with gingerbread , it sounds like you creating a high end notebook and it comes with vista ,
you sucks Sony , believe me I'm telling this just buying Xperia S a few hours ago .
even though u sucks , u dont destroy my feelings about sony
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Here's your choice.
1.Be the first that has ICS.
2.Wait 2 more months and get a fully optimised ICS, totally optimised for your phone. That probably runs better than a HTC or Samsung on ICS with the same specs.
btw ICS isn't a super drastic update or something, you're acting like it's the difference between Window 3.11 and Windows 7.
Razje said:
Here's your choice.
2.Wait 2 more months and get a fully optimised ICS, totally optimised for your phone. That probably runs better than a HTC or Samsung on ICS with the same specs.
btw ICS isn't a super drastic update or something, you're acting like it's the difference between Window 3.11 and Windows 7.
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I agree
Alien987 said:
How many brands have upgraded their lineup to ICS so far "at a right time and fully optimized"? If Sony delivers an upgrade before end of Q2 they're still in a comparable time with other brands unless all the others suddenly deliver it in the following 1-2 months, because so far only Samsung (that is the biggest Android manufacturer at the moment) is barely pointing to an imminent SGS2 upgrade (based on rumors, not even officially yet).
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Htc have already released ics for their sensation phones, also alot of manufacturers would have phones released next month with ics onboard.
I'm not buying the Xperia S until the ics update comes out, it just doesn't feel right to spend $600+ aud on a high end phone that comes with a 1.5 yrs old os that my current phone is running. If ics doesn't come out by april. I'm buying a new phone from the other manufacturers which does have ics.
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btw ICS isn't a super drastic update or something, you're acting like it's the difference between Window 3.11 and Windows 7.
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It is (probably more like xp to windows 7), just hw acceleration and support for the google chrome browser is reason enough for the upgrade.
ICS is the only reason I am upgrading from my n1
Well, thanks for all the comments up there ^^^.
I did the ICS upgrade that ZD did in arc board and have it on my arc and it was based on Vanilla ICS. I got the best battery and performance I have ever got on any android phone (owned 4 so far)
Second, optimization with Sony won't be there ever. While I agree there are lots of work with custom UI and setting and adding extra stuff that Sony does't with their on-top of OS thing, but if you pay attention, the OS on Xperia S 2.3.7 that should be optimized, its not even close to being optimized. Battery is like hell, I got rid of all the junk apps (bascially everything) and have nothing to run live, plus battery of this phone is bigger that arc (yes, screen is larger as well) but still not close even to arc.
I like to be optimist about this situation, but I was more hoping for a Beta version so maybe our beloved developers could make something out of it.
You guys don't worry, I won't be waiting for Sony to release its optimized ICS since I really don't care about the UI.
I hope I didn't go over board since we are all here to have fun.
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Htc have already released ics for their sensation phones, also alot of manufacturers would have phones released next month with ics onboard.
I'm not buying the Xperia S until the ics update comes out, it just doesn't feel right to spend $600+ aud on a high end phone that comes with a 1.5 yrs old os that my current phone is running. If ics doesn't come out by april. I'm buying a new phone from the other manufacturers which does have ics.
It is (probably more like xp to windows 7), just hw acceleration and support for the google chrome browser is reason enough for the upgrade.
ICS is the only reason I am upgrading from my n1
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You mean the Sensation ICS update officially released only in a couple of countries with bugs as idiot as links not opening in the browser?
If your priority is having ICS and Jelly Bean when released ASAP your only real option is a Nexus Galaxy. As of today Android is still a train wreck when it comes to OEM updates...
you people should look at SGSII forums.People are complaining about the rushed ICS official update.
heard a rumor that from next version, Android upgrades will become independent of manufacturer. in other words, upgrades will be available to all devices directly from Google (providing the device has version 4.0 and above and that the hardware can support the new version).
any truth to that statement? or just a wishful thinking?
looks impossible to me.
I am about to buy this phone because it is just so damn good for it's very low price tag, however one thing is bugging me about it. I came here to find that there are no Marshmallow ROMs for it yet and the main reason for me wanting to upgrade my phone in the first place is so that I will be able to run the latest Android ROM's without performance problems. I am currently on CyanogenMod 13 on my old Samsung Galaxy S3 and I like it, but it is slow. The Redmi Note 2 doesn't even have CyanogenMod support.
Is this because Xiaomi are going to release an official MIUI based on Marshmallow? I don't want to buy this phone if it means I am going to be stuck on MIUI or on an older version of Android. I am a bit perplexed because this phone sold a lot so why hasn't anyone made Marshmallow for it yet?
Do you think that development is going to pick up for this device or is this device a bad option if you want to run the latest Google Android (not MIUI)?
Certainly, the RN2 is a lot of hardware for the money, but without source code, things are limited to either repacked/tweaked roms, or roms that are built from source, but have significant hardware functionality imperfections because source is not available. It doesn't seem clear to me whether Xiaomi will release a Marshmallow-based MIUI for the RN2 or not. Some people say yes, some people say no, so until it actually happens (if it ever does), who knows. I also bought the RN2 because it was so much hardware for the price, but I am also disappointed with the lack of CM and similar. This is certainly not for a lack of people not trying, but it seems like certain parts of the hardware will never become functional with CM unless the necessary source code is released. If you don't happen to use these parts of the hardware, well, maybe it doesn't matter. Personally, I have stuck with sMIUI because all the hardware is completely working, but I sure wish a CM version with all working hardware will eventually emerge.
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Certainly, the RN2 is a lot of hardware for the money, but without source code, things are limited to either repacked/tweaked roms, or roms that are built from source, but have significant hardware functionality imperfections because source is not available. It doesn't seem clear to me whether Xiaomi will release a Marshmallow-based MIUI for the RN2 or not. Some people say yes, some people say no, so until it actually happens (if it ever does), who knows. I also bought the RN2 because it was so much hardware for the price, but I am also disappointed with the lack of CM and similar. This is certainly not for a lack of people not trying, but it seems like certain parts of the hardware will never become functional with CM unless the necessary source code is released. If you don't happen to use these parts of the hardware, well, maybe it doesn't matter. Personally, I have stuck with sMIUI because all the hardware is completely working, but I sure wish a CM version with all working hardware will eventually emerge.
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Thanks for the explanation. It seems really unfortunate that they haven't released the source. I guess I should either buy the more expensive Mi4 (which I believe the source is released for) or I can just wait it out and see if the source code get's released for the RN2. It seems strange to me that they wouldn't release Marshmallow-based MIUI for such a popular, fairly new phone. I think they will release it. If they release MM-MIUI then will that enable other developers to bring stock Android Marshmallow or CyanogenMod to the RN2?
M will deffo be released for RN2. Main reason we still dont have it is:
a) first "official" device with M is supposed to be mi5
b) MTK prolly didnt polish 6.0 yet
Major companies that use X10 (eg Sony & HTC) didnt realse M for their devices either, at least as far as i know, however they are planned. So yeah M will arrive eventually, which is great, but that doesnt mean custom roms will get any better. And knowing xiaomi, and their kernel release policies, this is pretty much 100%. Pretty sure they still havent released any kernel source for their older MTK powered devices.
I think I'm going to buy the Mi4 rather because its kernel is open. I want to know that I'll be able to get android roms of any new releases. It's a real shame because the Redmi Note 2 is cheaper and a more superior device, but I have read that Mediatek are scumbags when it comes to releasing kernels because they want to force you to buy a new device when your OS becomes outdated which goes against the open source licence of Linux. Oh well, I guess that's business.
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If they release MM-MIUI then will that enable other developers to bring stock Android Marshmallow or CyanogenMod to the RN2?
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If they release MM-MIUI for the RN2, unless they release the source code, this will still mean that roms are cooked/repacked, or built from source, but probably imperfectly due to lack of source. Though MIUI is based on Android, I don't think there are free and open MIUI repositories where one could grab the necessary source code for the RN2.
At this point, like everyone said, it is very unlikely that Xiaomi will ever release the source code for the RN2. Without it, custom ROMs will never be proper, and it's the reason there are no MM builds yet.
However, even though MIUI is horrible and God knows that I hate it, it's quite usable. A version of the Xposed framework that works on the latest MIUI builds has been released a couple of days ago, and with it you can get most of the functionality a custom ROM provides. It's not perfect, and I'd prefer AOSP, but it is, IMO, the best this phone has to offer at the moment.
I only got mine about three months ago, and while there were many times I came to regret my purchase, every other phone in this price range and slightly above has inferior hardware. With that said, if you want a phone running AOSP or something very close to it, you'd be better off getting a Nexus or a device that is officially supported by CM.
Thanks all. I was just about to buy the RN2 but I am glad I posted here first. I've learnt a lot and I don't think I would be happy with a phone that has a closed source kernel. The Mi4 has a smaller screen, no SD slot, slower, and costs more, but its kernel source is released and it is supported by CM13. Still very good value for money so that's gonna be my next phone.
It actually isnt slower. Benchmarks only. If you run them side by side with either MIUI or CM youll see than Mi4 is actually much faster than RN2, so yeah, its a better option if you have the money
i have heard that Sailfish os is being built for sony X right? So when will it release....im so exciting....
Who you heard it from that it's being built
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Who you heard it from that it's being built
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Mate, check this Link for further information.
If you're a fan of Jolla (a mobile platform that's part Linux, part Android and loosely based on Nokia's MeeGo project), good news. The company has announced it will be releasing an official version of its Sailfish operating system for a number of Sony Xperia handsets. The news came from the firm's press event at MWC this morning, and adds a big-name brand to the currently mixed list of devices that the plucky (persistent?) mobile software has officially been ported to.
The first device to work with Sailfish, or rather, the first handset to be shown running it at MWC, is the Xperia X. Jolla says that there will be more compatible models, but the X is what it chose to show it off. Of course, Sailfish is technically available on many devices already, if you're willing to work with an unofficial port, but this time Jolla's partnered with Sony and its Open Device Platform for better compatibility.
Despite Jolla showing Sailfish on a working handset here in Barcelona, it seems there are still a few kinks to iron out. A representative told me features like "double tap" (to wake the device) aren't working yet, and support for 64-bit devices isn't as comprehensive as it is for 32-bit models (if you're into custom software, you'll likely know which yours is).
It's always nice to see alternative operating systems finding their way to mainstream phones, and seeing a Sony Xperia X running something other that the default Android certainly makes it a little bit more eye catching. I tried it for a few minutes and could see that the basic navigation was working no problem. But mostly, if you're into Jolla (which enjoys a steadfastly loyal community), then this is above all a good sign that Jolla's still committed to what it's doing.
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If you want the official version, you'll still have to wait though. Jolla says it won't be out until late spring/early summer.
Regards
Very nice going to have a read up on this later then see what I can find out
I'll have to make my rom quick enough for people to try
No one on xx device will know me but I'm festa20 and can't get on my account. I did team Xperia roms was a long time ago but with the lack of support for this device I'm guna have a dig around with some stuff see what I can make