[Q] Windows Phone 8 for our Titan? - HTC Titan

Hey folks,
Do you think that our lovely Titan will receive an official update?

Yes, I think even the gen1 devices are getting the apollo update (WP8)

Finalforce1111 said:
Hey folks,
Do you think that our lovely Titan will receive an official update?
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HTC Titan theoratically should be getting uptil WP8.5 or WP9 unless those version will need extra hardware to run. Microsoft has sold major phones on contract bases. Contracts in Europe and USA are 2 years. Thus, Microsoft would ideally try and not be Android. Instead it will be more like iPhone where iPhone 3G got uptil iOS 5 but runs a little choppy now after 3 updates.

Forgive me for coming into this conversation late then;
Is the plan that Windows 8 will be an update available for anyone with a Windows 7.5 device? In other words, if i go out and buy the Titan this afternoon (most likely) and 8 comes out in a months time, il be able to load 8 on to the device? Or simply that new devices will come with 8 installed?

It's my understanding that Windows 8 and WP8 will both use a different kernel. So the CE based kernel in WP7 will not be compatible. Not sure how they'd handle the transition, but it would be nice to be able to have WP8 on the Titan.

LessThanSte said:
Forgive me for coming into this conversation late then;
Is the plan that Windows 8 will be an update available for anyone with a Windows 7.5 device? In other words, if i go out and buy the Titan this afternoon (most likely) and 8 comes out in a months time, il be able to load 8 on to the device? Or simply that new devices will come with 8 installed?
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Yes, 8 will be an update, it's not going to be a new device exclusive thing. The Titan is going to get it, as was already said in this thread. And I would not be surprised if every windows phone gets it. Every single one.
awesomeindeed said:
It's my understanding that Windows 8 and WP8 will both use a different kernel. So the CE based kernel in WP7 will not be compatible. Not sure how they'd handle the transition, but it would be nice to be able to have WP8 on the Titan.
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I don't think this is true. Any of it. First of all, WP7 uses CE 7 as the kernel and it still has support for WM6 (CE 6) applications. I haven't heard anything about a CE 8, and I highly doubt that they would move on to a CE 8 kernel so early in Window's Phone history. I could be wrong. But even if CE 8 is the new kernel, it will have zero impact on compatibility. It has already been stated that WP8 will run all WP7 apps (and frankly I don't think this even needed to be mentioning; to drop support two iterations in a row would be the death of the platform).

link68759 said:
Yes, 8 will be an update, it's not going to be a new device exclusive thing. The Titan is going to get it, as was already said in this thread. And I would not be surprised if every windows phone gets it. Every single one.
I don't think this is true. Any of it. First of all, WP7 uses CE 7 as the kernel and it still has support for WM6 (CE 6) applications. I haven't heard anything about a CE 8, and I highly doubt that they would move on to a CE 8 kernel so early in Window's Phone history. I could be wrong. But even if CE 8 is the new kernel, it will have zero impact on compatibility. It has already been stated that WP8 will run all WP7 apps (and frankly I don't think this even needed to be mentioning; to drop support two iterations in a row would be the death of the platform).
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What I meant is that I have heard WP8 will use the actual Windows 8 kernel, as in, the desktop and mobile version will use the full desktop kernel. I'm not sure how that would translate to an OTA update for us, or if that would even be possible without a tethered full wipe and reflash of the device.
EDIT: Here's where I read it... http://wmpoweruser.com/leak-confirms-windows-phone-8-will-use-the-windows-8-kernel/

You're right, they are making it the desktop kernel. I'm sure an OTA update can be done. If not, an updated ROM will be released.
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I think OTA for Windows Phone 8 will surely be rolled out. Titan being Gen 2, won't have any issues as far as all the indications go. If anything we will be flooded be amazing apps as there ought to be an influx of apps from Windows 8 devs too!
I think we hopefully will get ample of information in less than 3 weeks from now

This is a interesting topic, but if my memory not failing me, MSFT said at the start that all phones will get future updates. And while Apollo might be the first exeption or not, MSFT haven't stated any changes for future updates so I would say that until they officially says somthibg new, its business as usual. Or am I completly off? Just look at the difference between first and second gen. There was new hardware introduced but all got the update, only diff was if its no hardware for a specific function it can't simply run that...but the update brought the rest of the goodies, and even workarounds to give the best possible alternative was made.

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[Q] windows phone 7 on the HD2

hi guys..
I think man can ask easily now after the guys did the most wonderful job ever adding the android to such a tough mobile like Leo, do we expect to upgrade our windows phone 6.5 to windows 7 .....???
any ideas about that
best regards
THis has been brought up many times before, Short answer is most likely not. There are just to many diff between the 2. With android, it runs on top of WM with 7 it would replace it and then there would be huge issues as only 3 hardware buttons would work and I bet a few things would never work.
HTC Pedia stated a couple of weeks ago that there will be a windows 7 rom available in October / November time they are currently working intergrating a new version of sence into windows!! Sounds promising!

HTC 7 Mozart - Desire clone running Windows Phone 7

Let this be just discussion first...
So today was the Windows Phone 7 announcement and a lot of new devices were announced including the HTC 7 Mozart:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/htc-7-mozart-and-7-trophy-set-out-to-conquer-the-wp7-world-7-pr/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/htc-7-mozart-first-hands-on/
Pretty similar hardware and look to our Desire... I know it's early now but do you think that we will be able to port Windows Phone 7 to our Desire? Just for fun... Android is good enough.
Moved to General as not development.
Would be much more difficult since that's 100% reverse engineering 'cause Windows Phone 7 OS is not open source at all. But not impossible, though don't expect any...
EleCtrOx666 said:
Would be much more difficult since that's 100% reverse engineering 'cause Windows Phone 7 OS is not open source at all. But not impossible, though don't expect any...
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Devs here have made wonders, and I think I saw a dev here running WP 7 on an HD 2....
I think we only need some sort of a bootloader... as the hardware is pretty similar it should boot and some parts should work.
I'm also more than satisfied with Android, but hey... as a geek, dual booting my smartphone does have some appeal
Seems unlikely. One of the biggest problems with pouring android to a wm phone is that some of the drivers are in the radio rom and that is closed. So a huge among of work goes into figuring out how to talk to the hardware then coding that into the linux kernel source. In the case of wp7, there will be no source code at all, just binaries. Without haret and debug information, there is no way to start other than flashing the rom and seeing whether it bricks. Maybe if haret got ported out would be a start. (maybe it already has, I didn't look at this for a while).
....speaking about Bravo clones, how about one that runs WinMo 6.5?
http://phonereplica.info/dual-sim/touch-g7-dual-sim-phone-htc-desire-clone.html
....and a video of the action:
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/Un6h1tEL1GE/
rete said:
....speaking about Bravo clones, how about one that runs WinMo 6.5?
http://phonereplica.info/dual-sim/touch-g7-dual-sim-phone-htc-desire-clone.html
....and a video of the action:
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/Un6h1tEL1GE/
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These clones always make me laugh a little. Why don't they just put Android on them? Lol.
I'm 100% sticking with Android but, I'd love to be able to dual boot WP7. You know, just to say I can
This would be hard work!
WP7 ist not OpenSource so creating driver etc is vey heavy!
Side note, anyone know if its going to be SIM free? Orange have the exclusive as an operator but I'm quite tempted to have a look at this...first previews are saying WP7 is VERY fast
Orange will have paid through the nose to get exclusivity of this phone so don't expect to see it sim free for at least a couple of months, they normally have either 6 weeks, 3 months or 6 months exclusive rights before going sim free.
I suppose cause the ROMs are out it could just be debranded, assuming it's not too hard to break the bootloader
given desire and mozart have very similar specs, does that mean there's a good chance android can be ported to mozart? im guessing through some kind of bootloader? anyone working on it?
Wondows 7 on htc desire
I would also love, If My HTC Desire is capable of dual boot on Windows 7 and Android. After having such a good hardware but if it does not support on software then it such hardware is of no use.
ameel said:
given desire and mozart have very similar specs, does that mean there's a good chance android can be ported to mozart? im guessing through some kind of bootloader? anyone working on it?
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Any one found a workaround to this yet? Dual booting is lovely. For this reason, I happen to put a hand on a HD2 with WinMo 6.5 and I can boot Android on it but the phone is not mine, so now Im searching for a good HTC phone that gives me the options to play with.

[ROM] Lumia 800 RM-819 - 1750.805.8773.12220 Navifirm

Hi everyone!
Searching from news in Navifirm saw today that this version is rolling out to our Lumia, anyone knows about it? Flash it or not?
Does it worth?
Great search!
Unfortunately I cannot find it. The latest version I can find using navifirm 1.7+ is the 1600.2487.8107.12070.
Probably tommorow on the upcoming Microsoft event, Nokia will release new Tango (aka refresh) firmwares for the Lumia.
Nevertheless, as anyone download this and tried it?
Hi, i don't have this in my navifirm+ v1.7, if you can upload we can test this. Thanks.
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i have same navifirm and i still cant find this!!!
how can this be?
bdw dont flash this anyone!!
today is the release of WP 8 along with tango!
so
surya467 said:
i have same navifirm and i still cant find this!!!
how can this be?
bdw dont flash this anyone!!
today is the release of WP 8 along with tango!
so
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Do you think MS will release WP8 to Lumia 800? I got this phone only last night, so i'm really ignorant regarding all this.
MS. said:
Do you think MS will release WP8 to Lumia 800? I got this phone only last night, so i'm really ignorant regarding all this.
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It isn't yet clear if Microsoft is going to make the the Apolo compatible with existing phones.
There have been a lot of rumors and sayings on this but nothing official.
I think today is the day they will clarify this topic, but I believe that, with Nokia backgrounds on providing frequent updates, at least the flagship phones (Lumia 800 and 900) will be able to be updated.
Let's cross fingers and wait they have the good sense to make wp8 compatible our phones.
UPDATED: The news aren't good with T-Mobile saying: «a statement posted by a T-Mobile Germany representative that the handset definitely won’t be receiving the update. The latest information comes after T-Mobile customers pinged the operator asking when the handset was due to be released on the network.»
NO WP8 to existing LUMIA or WP phones!
All the phones will be DEAD! specially NOKIA!
Well, i figure out after a clean cache that firmware on Navifirm went out, someone was not supposed to put it online, so thats why quickly disappeared.
About Windows aka Apollo 8 , nobody at least Microsoft or Nokia can afirm that, we can only especulate and personally i think that will cause Lumia 800 and 900 are the flagship of Windows Phone, if they wont update it will be like a totally shame. Imagine if Apple launched iOS 6 only to run in the new iPhone coming...
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Well, i figure out after a clean cache that firmware on Navifirm went out, someone was not supposed to put it online, so thats why quickly disappeared.
About Windows aka Apollo 8 , nobody at least Microsoft or Nokia can afirm that, we can only especulate and personally i think that will cause Lumia 800 and 900 are the flagship of Windows Phone, if they wont update it will be like a totally shame. Imagine if Apple launched iOS 6 only to run in the new iPhone coming...
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correct...
im using the china variant tango past a month now, without FB integration but with wifi sharing and a VERY VERY NICE BATTERY BACK UP, im happy!
Well, it's official.
Although Microsoft's newly unveiled Windows Phone 8 boasts exciting features like more customization options and integration with voice-over IP, one unpleasant suspicion we had about the new mobile OS has been confirmed: current Windows Phone devices won't be able to upgrade to WP8.
That Nokia Lumia 800/900 we've just bought! Consider it a obsolete for the next year :-(.
pontopr said:
Well, it's official.
Although Microsoft's newly unveiled Windows Phone 8 boasts exciting features like more customization options and integration with voice-over IP, one unpleasant suspicion we had about the new mobile OS has been confirmed: current Windows Phone devices won't be able to upgrade to WP8.
That Nokia Lumia 800/900 we've just bought! Consider it a obsolete for the next year :-(.
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We will get an update 7.8 and there will be some new nokia apps
pontopr said:
Well, it's official.
Although Microsoft's newly unveiled Windows Phone 8 boasts exciting features like more customization options and integration with voice-over IP, one unpleasant suspicion we had about the new mobile OS has been confirmed: current Windows Phone devices won't be able to upgrade to WP8.
That Nokia Lumia 800/900 we've just bought! Consider it a obsolete for the next year :-(.
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ROFL not really.
So, What is the version about?

Windows Phone 7.8 for Lumia 800

Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7.8 is coming in "early 2013".
Cast your mind all the way back to June of this year, when Microsoft formally made its first official announcement about Windows Phone 8. At the same event, it disappointed early adopters of its Windows Phone 7 platform by confirming that their handsets would not be eligible for upgrade to the new OS.
But the company also said that it wouldn't leave those faithful users completely out in the cold, promising to deliver an update that would bring new features, including the new-style Start screen, to first- and second-generation devices. But since that announcement, almost nothing has been discussed by Microsoft about Windows Phone 7.8. Until now.
At long last, Microsoft has broken its silence on the 7.8 update. In a blog post, Terry Myerson, corporate vice president for Windows Phone, has now confirmed some of the features that the update will bring, including a greater selection of OS 'accent colours' (20 in total), and improved lock screen features such as the Bing Picture of the Day.
Sadly, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of features here that we haven't heard already - and if you were expecting good news regarding availability, you'll probably want to sit down and pour yourself a drink. Microsoft is commiting to getting the update "tested, approved and rolled out to as many devices as possible in early 2013", so those rumours suggesting it might starting being delivered to devices this week were evidently pretty wide of the mark.
The wording there also implies that not all devices will be updated; we've already had it confirmed by LG that the Optimus 7 won't see 7.8, but it's not yet clear if other devices will join the list of handsets that won't see the OS upgrade. One other device that seems unlikely to see 7.8 is the Dell Venue Pro, a handset that had something of a troubled life before it was finally withdrawn from sale in March of this year. The last update delivered to the Dell Windows Phone was 7.5 Mango.
Myerson also confirmed that new handsets with 7.8 are already beginning to launch, and will continue to do so in order to reach "a range of lower price points"; we've recently seen entry-level devices such as the Nokia Lumia 510 being announced with Windows Phone 7.5, while the Alcatel OneTouch is expected to launch with 7.8 soon.
Evidently, we're still some way from Windows Phone 8 taking over as Redmond's sole smartphone OS.
Source: Windows Phone Blog
Yea..and its so freaking annoying that they are just giving us a new start screen and asking us to wait till early next year..!!
When the RTM ROMs are already leaked and they look quiet stable..wdf are MS playing at?
It's not just a home screen, new lock screen, smartglass support and a lot of small fixes like for IE and bluetooth file sharing and etc. WP 7.5 runs very well already,so WP7.8 is just a small fix and MS wants to make it sure, that everything will work even better.
I hope that will improve the performance of Lumia. I bought one a few days ago and I love the simplicity of the OS. And I'm a Android user
Finally, been waiting for few months now......
i hope they will update the firmware, too. especially camera-firmware for Lumia 800. i still have autofocus problems in macro-mode. interesting point is, that with another cam-app like sophiecam, the autofocus DO work, but it acts weird with the native cam-app. so this means, it has to do with software, which i hope nokia will fix with the 7.8 update.

Porting WP8 to Titan

I still can't believe it myself too ...
But apparently DFT is managing to port WP8 on HD2 :
http://twitter.com/CotullaCode
http://www.wpcentral.com/against-all-odds-windows-phone-8-has-been-hacked-htc-hd2
http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/windows_phone_8_ported_to_the_htc_hd2-11-29-12
"Hopefully more details will be coming out soon with an actual release because as you have probably figured out, if the HD2 can run Windows Phone 8, there might be a chance for Windows Phone 7 devices too."
I guess it is right to ask ourself such a question indeed.
I don't think HD2 has something Titan doesn't have.
Surely it would be interesting to understand what DFT really has really done.
In the meanwhile I'd like to know what our beloved Titan cookers think about this.
i hope so that windows phone 8 will port to HTC titan
Don't get your hopes up. It will never happen. I wish it would. What does the HD2 have that the titan doesn't? Drivers that are more or less open sourced with a team (DFT) that specializes in them.
I don´t think, that port to Titan never be. Titan have better HW than HD2. You´ll see, port for Titan will be Now, we only waiting ...
Many phones have hardware better than the HD2, that is completely irrelevant.
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Many phones have hardware better than the HD2, that is completely irrelevant.
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not as irrelevant ... Titan is first series device with windows phone, i´m thinking, that port WP8 will be for all first series device - like trophy, hd7, mozart ... Maybe I´m wrong .... time will tell ....
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not as irrelevant ... Titan is first series device with windows phone, i´m thinking, that port WP8 will be for all first series device - like trophy, hd7, mozart ... Maybe I´m wrong .... time will tell ....
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Titan isnt first series device WP, Titan and Radar are second series. First series are HD7, Omnia etc...
bartCZ said:
not as irrelevant ... Titan is first series device with windows phone, i´m thinking, that port WP8 will be for all first series device - like trophy, hd7, mozart ... Maybe I´m wrong .... time will tell ....
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sorry HTC Titan is a Second serie of WP7
Second Windows Phone 7.5
HTC Titan
HTC Radar
First Windows Phone 7.0
HTC 7 mozart
HTC 7 pro
HTC 7 Surround
HTC HD7
HTC 7 Trophy
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sorry HTC Titan is a Second serie of WP7
Second Windows Phone 7.5
HTC Titan
HTC Radar
First Windows Phone 7.0
HTC 7 mozart
HTC 7 pro
HTC 7 Surround
HTC HD7
HTC 7 Trophy
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Yes, yes, you have right ... I mean, that except faster CPU is Titan the same device as hd7, tropy etc ......... I ´m wrong wrote it. My mystake.
Moved to General as there is nothing for the Titan at this point.
Thank you,
mf2112
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Anyway, the point is the HD2 has drivers that can be worked with and a team of expert that specialize in it.
Titan has neither. Titan will not get WP8, don't get your hopes up.
I found the photo of the HD2 a bit interesting; one the build number's last few digits were blacked out and did all the zeroes escape everybody? What I find curious is the Titan I is flashable, as of this typing the Titan II is not. I own both the HD2 and Titan and the Titan runs 7.8 much better than the HD2 though I have nothing but sincere admiration for the HD2; an incredible piece of hardware despite it's lack of memory.
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Don't get your hopes up. It will never happen. I wish it would. What does the HD2 have that the titan doesn't? Drivers that are more or less open sourced with a team (DFT) that specializes in them.
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Do you have any proof of what you are saying ?
Well not "open sourced" but here's how it works (and all of this I have gathered from browsing XDA over the years):
In order to get android to work, someone had to either find drivers or reverse engineer something for the HD2 to get the hardware to work. This led to native ports of Ubuntu and Debian and MeeGo. Whatever was done, the previously closed drivers are now well understood enough to port it around to any linux. Then I've heard that the HD2 was a WP7 test device, and those drivers were leaked from HTC (I presume). That is the ONLY reason the HD2 has WP7. I imagine the leaked drivers aided the port to WP8.
Moreover I don't know if you follow DFT, but they have entirely rewritten and replaced the original bootloader and have added the ability to multi boot up to 32 (or some absurd number) different operating systems from multiple sources. They know the HD2 in and out.
It does not matter at all that other devices have better specs. Nearly any phone made after the HD2 has better specs. Specs are irrelevant. The HD2 is a special beast. In fact I don't think any other phone can even run android natively- all the android "ports" for other WM phones rely on HarEt, whereas the HD2 can run it natively... So afaik the HD2 is the only device that can natively run another OS.
Asking when *your* random phone is going to be able to do cool things like the phone that has *years* of community development behind it is rather self serving, a little ignorant and kind of annoying.
If you really want it to happen, put a bounty on it with a reward. Then maybe someone could work a miracle... If it were to be any Gen 2 windows phone, I suppose it would be the Radar or the Titan though, given that we have HSPL. But IMO the titan/radar are going to be left behind very quickly as the hacking scene transitions to WP8 devices.
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Well not "open sourced" but here's how it works (and all of this I have gathered from browsing XDA over the years):
In order to get android to work, someone had to either find drivers or reverse engineer something for the HD2 to get the hardware to work. This led to native ports of Ubuntu and Debian and MeeGo. Whatever was done, the previously closed drivers are now well understood enough to port it around to any linux. Then I've heard that the HD2 was a WP7 test device, and those drivers were leaked from HTC (I presume). That is the ONLY reason the HD2 has WP7. I imagine the leaked drivers aided the port to WP8.
Moreover I don't know if you follow DFT, but they have entirely rewritten and replaced the original bootloader and have added the ability to multi boot up to 32 (or some absurd number) different operating systems from multiple sources. They know the HD2 in and out.
It does not matter at all that other devices have better specs. Nearly any phone made after the HD2 has better specs. Specs are irrelevant. The HD2 is a special beast. In fact I don't think any other phone can even run android natively- all the android "ports" for other WM phones rely on HarEt, whereas the HD2 can run it natively... So afaik the HD2 is the only device that can natively run another OS.
Asking when *your* random phone is going to be able to do cool things like the phone that has *years* of community development behind it is rather self serving, a little ignorant and kind of annoying.
If you really want it to happen, put a bounty on it with a reward. Then maybe someone could work a miracle... If it were to be any Gen 2 windows phone, I suppose it would be the Radar or the Titan though, given that we have HSPL. But IMO the titan/radar are going to be left behind very quickly as the hacking scene transitions to WP8 devices.
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I have to agree. I stopped flashing my smart phones for quite some time and just recently picked it up. The HD2 is that device we all wish every other device since could do. If there is to be a WP8 port, that is the device that will garner the most attention. Currently as of this typing, I have the NexusHD2 on that device. It isn't Samsung's mini-beast, the Galaxy S3 nor is it enabled with that beautiful touch screen, but the HD2 is a stud among steers. The day my HD2 is put to rest, it will be buried with honors.
link68759 said:
Titan will not get WP8, don't get your hopes up.
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Don't mind for me DO getting my hopes up
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Don't mind for me DO getting my hopes up
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Patience, patience, patience. There is rumor there is a HTC Titan III, the HTC Zenith in the pipeline. I know there are many who have this philosophy that they must get their hands on the latest and state of the art devices. I don't doubt that Windows Phone 7 should have been what we now know is Windows Phone 8. There's nothing more irritating than the inability to not run programs like Skype as they do on Android and an overall general attitude that appears contrary to customer loyalty 101. Today (as of this typing) we do not know if the SPLs on the HTC 8X, Nokia Lumia 820 and 920 and future unknown devices in the pipeline will be akin to the HTC Titan II (Radiant) which remains unlockable. It is unlikely there will never be another device like the HD2 and for me, that is what is wrong with carriers and Microsoft in regards to the devices they sell within the United States and Canada; it is internationally how different and many of us wish we had their device hardware.

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