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Hey all... just picked up the Touch Pro the other day and was a little disheartened to see that the tethering functions can be a little troublesome.
In the past, I've used USBModem on a Treo 700p and it worked beautifully via BlueTooth with my Nokia N800. I typically don't use the devices with a laptop/desktop, as it is most often something I'll make use of when I'm out... otherwise, the standard PDANet solutions would be fine.
Soooo... questions are: have their been any solutions figured out by others who may be using a Nokia N800/N810 to tether to, or is the only current option to use the WMWifiRouter software? Even using the registry changes mentioned in other threads, I have had no luck having the Nokia find the Touch Pro - well... it does, but it sees it as being a GSM device, which I haven't figured out either. If the WMWiFiRouter is the only real option, is it known if that software takes any steps to "mask usage" or will I be dealing with Sprint wanting me to get the "phone as modem" package - additionally, if that would be a problem, could the registry modifications help with that?
Any info provided is greatly appreciated. It's the only thing that keeps it from mopping the floor with my previous machine!
//edit: I failed to mention that I am with Sprint, and the USBModem site clearly states that it does not work via BlueTooth with the Sprint service - I don't know if I've done the registry edit and tried USBModem (I don't believe so, but I've tried a fair number of combos and off the wall ideas so far, so I dunno!)
As far as I can tell, the WMWifiRouter does not let Sprint know that you are tethering since in the technical sense of the word, you are not. Pulling the 3G signal down and broadcasting it as wifi is not tethering. Just try not to use gigabytes of bandwidth every month and you should be fine.
Also, WMWifiRouter is the only solution I've found for my Touch Pro (also on Sprint) that actually works. My tethering hacks always failed after 30 seconds or so, and there seemed to be no other solutions out there besides this piece of software.
You make a good point in that it's not tethering in the sense of the word. I suppose I could also rephrase the question to ask if they can spot the activity and, if so, how easily, but it may be beating a dead horse. I did find it to be a reasonable solution outside of it being a bit of a battery drain. I don't use such functions very often at all, and as such have never brought attention to any minor tethering I've done in the past. Hopefully it will stay that way and I won't see a whack of charges on my bill. Cheers!
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Hey all... just picked up the Touch Pro the other day and was a little disheartened to see that the tethering functions can be a little troublesome.
In the past, I've used USBModem on a Treo 700p and it worked beautifully via BlueTooth with my Nokia N800. I typically don't use the devices with a laptop/desktop, as it is most often something I'll make use of when I'm out... otherwise, the standard PDANet solutions would be fine.
Soooo... questions are: have their been any solutions figured out by others who may be using a Nokia N800/N810 to tether to, or is the only current option to use the WMWifiRouter software? Even using the registry changes mentioned in other threads, I have had no luck having the Nokia find the Touch Pro - well... it does, but it sees it as being a GSM device, which I haven't figured out either. If the WMWiFiRouter is the only real option, is it known if that software takes any steps to "mask usage" or will I be dealing with Sprint wanting me to get the "phone as modem" package - additionally, if that would be a problem, could the registry modifications help with that?
Any info provided is greatly appreciated. It's the only thing that keeps it from mopping the floor with my previous machine!
//edit: I failed to mention that I am with Sprint, and the USBModem site clearly states that it does not work via BlueTooth with the Sprint service - I don't know if I've done the registry edit and tried USBModem (I don't believe so, but I've tried a fair number of combos and off the wall ideas so far, so I dunno!)
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How often are you "Tethering" anyway? I honestly don't have any problems using my phone as a modem with the reg edits to modify the connection from "ForceConnection" to "Sprint PCS" and it works great.
I'm not a dedicated "Tetherer" and use it occasionally but have never seen any problems using the Internet Sharing app and the reg edit.
I use it very rarely (at least I think I do)... maybe once or twice every couple of weeks, and I don't use it to download things from the web and whatnot. Typically, I'll access a few sites and that's about it - very limited.
The only problem I ran into with the reg edits was that my Nokia N800 wasn't picking it up via Bluetooth. Using this method, I can just connect to the wireless broadcast.
Hmm, well I usually use the USB cord with mine but I did us the BT DUN on to tether using a MAC and it worked just fine.
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i invested in PDAnet back when i got my Moto q and have never been happier. I get great speeds. download at 300kb/s at times. Their newest version includes options for WiFi setup as well. Definately worth the money IMO.
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i invested in PDAnet back when i got my Moto q and have never been happier. I get great speeds. download at 300kb/s at times. Their newest version includes options for WiFi setup as well. Definately worth the money IMO.
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Would you be willing to do a test with PDANet and the ICS program on our phones?
I'd like to see a comparison of DL speeds fron the same location of PDANet vs. ICS. I have the ICS cab if you are not running it right now if you like.
PDANet would work fine if I were to tether to a desktop or laptop. Problem is, I am almost never in a situation where I need such a thing. If I use it, it's via bluetooth with my Nokia N800 (since it does not support USB hosting of such devices as 'USB modems'). Bluetooth connectivity with both PDANet and USBModem is nil, with USBModem saying that it won't work with Sprint on their page.
I have found that the latest version of WMWiFiRouter (version 1.25 as of writing) works beautifully and I get reasonably speeds with it... since it's an ad-hoc wifi access point, the Nokia likes it. Problem seems to be solved and very reasonable.
Simply asked, will WMWifirouter work on the Sprint's Touch Pro? Or will it at least work as well on there as it does on my Mogul? (in that it will allow me to use the "Sprint PCS" as a teathering option instead of getting sprint's phone as modem service.)
I took a different route: Tether via USB cable which takes a lot less battery power to do than running WiFi. Yeah, cables are "old school" but they can be more practical at times.
Anyway, I can now tether my Sprint Touch Pro via a USB cable and do Internet sharing without subscribing to the "Phone as Modem" service. If you're interested in how I did that, visit THIS THREAD.
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Short answer yes it works. Longer answer it works but you still have to do the ics hack first. There is a new version out there if you register it lets you do more things. It can work with the cable as well. The cost for the liscences version is 30 dollars us. It is worth it the old free version is also still out there. They both work I have used them. Tho the old version did seem to have some problems. Not sure if it was the phone or vista causing the problems tho.
I can confirm that the lastest version 1.25 works perfectly on the Sprint Touch Pro. It does allow you to choose "Sprint" as the network instead of "Phone As Modem". Also, with the latest version, there is no need to do the ICS hack. Just install, follow the prompts, and everything needed is setup for you.
I hope that helps!
So you said you got it to work without doing the ics hack? Their website says you must a working ICS and sprint by default turns that off. I have noticed I can't get ICS to work thru usb anymore since I installed it. any way the important thing is it does work. 15 day free trial in fact they request you test with the free trial before you can buy.
Let me add that though the latest version of WiFiRouter DOES indeed work perfectly with my TP and ANY computer with WiFi capability there is one drawback. After about 45 minutes of use, the TP is almost scorching hot on the backside. I limit my usage to make sure I'm not going to fry any of the internal components on the phone. Just my two cents.
WMWifiRouter is a great program. It works great for almost all of the computers that I have that I would want to have connected to the internet when I am on the road
EXCEPT
my lenovo laptop. it will not see the network created by wmwifirouter, no matter what I do.
wmwifirouter can only set up ad-hoc connections, and not infrastructure connections.
so make sure to test it out before you go and buy a licensem just to find out that you can't use it with your primary laptop
opening the keyboard and setting up so it is kind of sitting up helps it stay cool. It also has a temp reading in the program if it gets to hot it shuts down the connection anyway. I also cheat and hook up to my playstation 3 using their standard cable for the remotes and it charges my phone while it getting me online.
To combat the heat I made a "cold box" out of a small (5"x5")square shipping box and an old computer fan. I just set the phone inside it with the back removed and faced down so the bottom faces the fan. It never over heats.
I use a similar method to the cld box..a small desk fan with the back cover off and the TP stays cool
Hello all
I have my Atrix for about 3 months now, and from the beginning was thinking on buying the lapdock aswell but held myself due to its over expensive price (500$ for a damn docking!!!). Personally I don't see any reason to buy a docking for just 1 device in over 150$.
I've got now a chance to buy a semi-used one for 210$ (with a spare charger) and I wanted some consolt about it:
1) Is it possible to write office docs such as word and excell on it?
2) Is it possible to connect USB storage devices to it?
Since my primery uses for it will be as a working tool for docs writing (Thesis, reports and stuff), that can replace my aging laptop and instead of buying a notebook. will it be enough for my uses?
Can I use a Ubuntu hack to make it work as a Linux laptop?
Does it worth the 210$? or should I remain assertive on my "not over 150$" policy?
Much 10xs for all
I have had mine for a month now and in my opinion is OK but very limited. First there is the WIFI only unless you get the tethering plan or can get the hack to work (I have not yet got it to work). I use mine for remotely connecting to my Windows server but use a paid app Pocketcloud which works fine with the full screen mode on the lapdock although sizing the screen is sometimes a problem.
In answer to your questions:
1 If there is an app for Office docs which there is the answer is Yes but all the lapdock is really is a large screen for your phone, if you can do it on the phone you can do it on the lapdock.
2. I believe you can but it needs a hack
In my opinion it is not really yet a substitute for a laptop but if the hacks for Ubantu, tethering, etc are refined it may be in time but it in all honesty does not appear the be there yet.
As far as price, probably worth $200.00 to me to throw in the car so that I have a larger screen to log into my server when I am on the road etc without wireless, but that is a decision you would have to make.
You can buy it cheaper online, refurbished. It comes in very good working condition. My first one had a dead pixel, but AT&T let me bring it in and they gave me a new refurb'd.
They're 175 + tax online.
It says that flash drives and mice are supported. But I'm not sure. Haven't tried.
There's also a Google Docs app if you don't want to mod your WebTop. You can get OpenOffice if you use WebTop2SD, or the Debian mod.
Hey
first 10x to you both
Second, did I understand you correct? in webtop mod I cant use 3G? whats the point then? shouldnt it supposed to be a "laptop" with all the capabilities of the Atrix?
anyway, Sinful, can you give me a link for this price?
Another question, Does anyone knows if there are 10 intch screens with HDMI inlet? It ca be a cheap replacement for the lapdock....
You CAN connect with 3G with the regular phone interface which can be full screen on the lapdock. What you cannot do without the ATT tethering plan is to use the "full" Firefox browser on the lapdock.
For the most part it works fine just using the phone interface with the phone's browser in full screen mode.
I bought a refurb from lapdock from att and have been pleased with it. I have done the debian hack and the tethering hack to get firefox to work with my data plan. In reguards to your second question, I have hooked up external usb drives without problem. It gets mounted just fine and I am able to copy files without problem. Open Office also works well.
O.K
Thanks for the clarification.
Thats quite ****ty! Why would they do that?
Anyhow, since i'm not an AT&T costumer, I obviesly dont have the 'AT&T tethering program', so I guess it will be problematic for me to use the 3G.
I dont see what the use of the lapdock if I cant use my 3G, and I really dont want to use the phone browser in full mode to be able to do so.
Well, we will have to wait for the 2.3.4 official AT&T rom, and maybe they will enable this, or just wait for a skillful dev that will do that...
Which tethering hack did you use? I could not get mine to work. Thanks
AT&T thinks that using an external display of ANY form is considered tethering, even though its technically the same "computing device", just the output/input being redirected. I had a major "phone fight" with AT&Ts support, and am in talks with my lawyer if this actually enforceable. But yes, if you want to use the standard 3G web connectivity on your webtop's Firefox browser, AT&T requires you to get the 45 USD dataplan.
Alternatively you can try FIREFOX from the app market, and run it "fullscreen" through your Android GUI-"window".
As for office application that does Microsoft's office 2010 documents, I swear by QUICK OFFICE PRO. It does excel, word, PowerPoint and adobe PDF to create/edit.
I use my ATRIX as a semi desktop on the go, via Bluetooth keyboard and the ATRIX plugged into any TV or monitor that has a DVI (with HDMI-2-DVI adapter) or HDMI jack, and use the ATRIX itself as a mouse, since the touchscreen turns into a laptop-style -mousepad
There are mods out there to run an (almost) full Ubuntu, but last time I checked they had massive storage constraints trying to make it work all the way. Not sure if they overcome them by now.
But since the bootlaoder can be now unlocked, we probably will see soon some cool ROMS that allow us to use the ATRIX in a full Ubuntu environment.
Just hoping :-D
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I have been using my atrix to do my general doc file typings. So far I am happy.
here are some stuff that you may need to know:
1. you can use an external drive as long as it is formatted FAT32.
2. you can use a cable mouse
3. look under development section and look up debian and ubuntu images for webtop. I found debian more reliable but ubuntu solution has more flexibility.
Using either solution you can install koffice or openoffice for your typing needs. If you simply want to type in text and do the formatting at a later time look up the "easy_v0.2.5-signed.zip" under debian solution. It will give you a on screen window for typing similar to notepad which is pretty nice.
There is also the webtop2sd project that is in beta. I suggest for it to come out of beta as it is not ready for general public yet.
I owned one , had hacked 3g tethering working and my opinion is NO not worth it unless you can get for 100-150 then its just OK
No. Id wait to see if there is any official webtop improvements....out of the box there is very little funvtionality.
Also, moto has said that there will be more accesories, and they have filed for a Tabdock....which may be much better if its basicly a xoom transformer. I think they released the lapdock first more as a webtop beta and to not have a tabdock compete with their zoom.
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Ive got one, and the usb drive works fine, and i have a wireless mouse that seems to work just fine, it does what ever your phone does, and stores it on your phone, so... if you consider your phone your primary computer then this is for you.... i will be trading mine in on a laptop or at the very least a net book of some kind that will allow me to use financial software and other windows/mac essential software...
its a neat idea, but at this stage its gimmicky at best.
vonh
Sorry to dig this thread up, but I just got my Lapdock and in the last month it has matured a bit more, with lots of hacks to install several Linux distros allowing to install native Linux apps to the environment.
So far, I'm very pleased and glad to leave the 15.4" laptop at home.
This is what I use my Lapdock for:
1. Remote into my job Servers and Workstations through LogMeIn. I still don't jump into Cytrix yet.
2. Browse the web natively through full Firefox for research and entertainment.
3. Remotely manage my home's NAS
4. Download, display an manage files (.RAR, .ZIP, .APK, .DOC, .PPS, .XLS, .PDF, etc)
5. A few games here and there (like AngryBirds) but honestly, I prefer to play them on the phone itself due to multitouch.
6. I manage several personal and business websites and portals, and I can pretty much do all I need to accomplish this. (FTP, Edit, Upload, Download, Code, etc)
What's lacking on the Lapdock:
1. No front Webcam (no way to answer a video call from Google Voice, Skype, etc)
2. No fron Microphone (I constantly find myself yelling so people on the other side of the line can hear me, I now use a wired headset. Maybe a BT headset would be more comfortable though.)
3. No way to input international accented characters (I hope to find a way to hack a way to implement this.)
4. No accelerated video under Webtop?
My conclusion:
For me, I think that overall it's a great complement to my Atrix as long as you don't pay more than $200 for it.
Cheers!
Rayan
i have searched all over the net pulling what hair i have left out...i have rooted my galaxy s and i have rooted my archos 101 with urukdroid 101 all working ok.
after a long time searching i found out how to change the wpa settings in uruk but when i use wifi manager if finds my sgs but when i click it..it just hangs on connecting or getting ip address.
i feel like i almost made it but missing something somewhere.
can anyone help
my archos is now just sitting here collecting dust, until i use it wifi with my phone i am starting wish i had not got it now. as nice as it is, it is useless without the internet outside my house. i do not need it where i live as i have a pc, i have unlimited internet on my phone. i would like to be able to take it too work and use it there but looks like this is not going to happen as i think it is all lies that people say here and other forums that they got it working wifi from an android phone. so i will give it few more weeks then i might sell it at cex before it goes any more down in price. then i will save up for a ipad at least i know i can use this on the net like i do with my ipod touch.
So here's my problem. My Ps3 has been banned from my parents WiFi (despite my being a straight A student, captain of the golf and soccer teams, and working fulltime in the summers. Any who, I still have access to the WiFi through my phone and was wondering if I could use the droids built in tethering to create a wireless access point for the ps3?
Here's the unique part, I bought the phone myself off of ebay and it has a bad esn (so WiFi only).
Is this possible? If itI matters, I have access to the network settings and can change a couple of less noticeable settings but I can't just unblock the ps3 as that would be noticed and followed up with a password change.
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So here's my problem. My Ps3 has been banned from my parents WiFi (despite my being aapplied straight A student, captain of the golf and soccer teams, and working fulltime in the summers. Any who, I still have access to the WiFi through my phone and was wondering if I could use the droids built in tethering to create a wireless access point for the ps3?
Here's the unique part, I bought the phone myself off of ebay and it has a bad esn (so WiFi only).
Is this possible? If itI matters, I have access to the network settings and can change a couple of less noticeable settings but I can't just unblock the ps3 as that would be noticed and followed up with a password change.
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WIFI Tethering is through 3G only
Really? I've read on a couple sites about there being a mobile AP settings menu under the wireless and networks settings menu of some phones, this isn't present on mine (eclipse 1.3).
What about setting up bluetooth dun on a pc, and then setting up a wireless access point (on the DROID) using the bluetooth in place of 3G?
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Really? I've read on a couple sites about there being a mobile AP settings menu under the wireless and networks settings menu of some phones, this isn't present on mine (eclipse 1.3).
What about setting up bluetooth dun on a pc, and then setting up a wireless access point (on the DROID) using the bluetooth in place of 3G?
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I'm sure that in theory there is a way to EVENTUALLY get it working. But if you're trying to get a PS3 working through tethering and you mention Bluetooth in that, you're getting nowhere fast. Bluetooth is insanely slow.
On a good day, my internet tops out at 1mbps max. Isn't that the top speed of bluetooth 2.1 or is it 512kbps or am I making a complete fool of my self?
If dragonzkiller says it will not work then you can be assured you will not get it to work.
The WiFi Tether app works on 3G only, as it uses your phone's WiFi card to broadcast a signal.
Unfortunately, the broadcast signal is Ad-hoc and the PS3 only connects to infrastructure, so even if you did get it to work on WiFi, the PS3 wouldn't read the Ad-hoc network that your phone was broadcasting.
Alright I concede, oh well. Can't win them all
Thanks for the really speedy responses
Do your parents regularly regulate the router? Since you say you have access to the router's settings, are the ports the PS3 uses blocked or is the PS3's MAC address blocked? If it were those situations, you could change the blocked ports or MAC address by just one number. That way it still appears like the PS3 is being blocked. In the MAC address list, I'd also move the PS3 one to the middle so that it's not the last one on the list. This is based off the simple routers I've had in the past and my own experience growing up with restrictive parentals. If your steps creak, I also reccommend placing your footing away from the middle and close to the wall where the boards are nailed and flush. Also use your hands to better distribute the weight and at least avoid a really loud creak. If they are light sleepers, put your car in neutral and roll it out of the driveway. Don't start your car until you pushed your car down the road a bit. I have a lot more advice on the subject if you want. Just don't ask me what to do when your gf pinned you down in her foyeur at 2am and your phone butt dials your evil sister that will tell mom. There's no answer for that.
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Do your parents regularly regulate the router? Since you say you have access to the router's settings, are the ports the PS3 uses blocked or is the PS3's MAC address blocked? If it were those situations, you could change the blocked ports or MAC address by just one number. That way it still appears like the PS3 is being blocked. In the MAC address list, I'd also move the PS3 one to the middle so that it's not the last one on the list. This is based off the simple routers I've had in the past and my own experience growing up with restrictive parentals. If your steps creak, I also reccommend placing your footing away from the middle and close to the wall where the boards are nailed and flush. Also use your hands to better distribute the weight and at least avoid a really loud creak. If they are light sleepers, put your car in neutral and roll it out of the driveway. Don't start your car until you pushed your car down the road a bit. I have a lot more advice on the subject if you want. Just don't ask me what to do when your gf pinned you down in her foyeur at 2am and your phone butt dials your evil sister that will tell mom. There's no answer for that.
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Hehehe That is all
Yeah, I considered that. Might do it if I get desperate after midterms end this week.
The stairway thing I've known for a while, but the car ones a good suggestion, especially since my car has a dying catalytic converterand makes more noise than a heavy metal band.
The part about the gf had to suck for you, but luckily I've got enough dirt on my siblings that I don't have to worry (too much)
One of my favorites is to wait until everyones asleep and then leave a note on the counter saying I had to go to school early to work on ____ if you end up not being able to get back before they wake up this covers you and if you get back before they wake up you can just destroy the note.
Use PC as AP
Not sure if this is still a problem for you, but do you have a PC connected to the internet? If so, you can probably set up the PC as a wifi access point. This is really easy to do in Windows 7, and even easier in Linux (if you know what you're doing). There is also a program called Connectify that you can install to do this on Windows, but if you have Win 7, then all you need to do is run a few simple commands at the cmd prompt to set up your PC as a wifi AP.
quit soccer and golf and take up basketball, only then will your parents see you are truly ready for their wifi waves
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If dragonzkiller says it will not work then you can be assured you will not get it to work.
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Yea he's kind of a big deal around here lol
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HitMyKush said:
quit soccer and golf and take up basketball, only then will your parents see you are truly ready for their wifi waves
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Hockey is where it's at.
I am a fan of your username.
More to the point, though, is that I don't believe this to be possible. Tethering is designed to be an access point through 3G/4G.
It would be painfully slow anyway. With 40Mb/s broadband you would struggle to get 1Mb/s if you routed it through your phone.
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Hockey is where it's at.
I am a fan of your username.
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Yes hockey is where its at
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No, No, No. Quit all sports and pick up a guitar. Music makes people happy. And chicks like guys who can play the guitar.
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No, No, No. Quit all sports and pick up a guitar. Music makes people happy. And chicks like guys who can play the guitar.
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I prefer to play the violin personally...but I'm self taught and not all that good but I tell you it is an awesome feeling when you can make a violin sing in only the way a violin can
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I prefer to play the violin personally...but I'm self taught and not all that good but I tell you it is an awesome feeling when you can make a violin sing in only the way a violin can
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I've always wanted to try out a violin. Never knew anyone with one to play though. Im self taught as well. Guitar, bass, drums and a little bit of piano. I love music
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I've always wanted to try out a violin. Never knew anyone with one to play though. Im self taught as well. Guitar, bass, drums and a little bit of piano. I love music
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The toughest part about the violin for me was finger position....notes are not too close together in the first position but in the third they are right on top of each other, but if you are just slightly off in either position the note is just sour and not right...but when you're on absolutely beautiful...also bow tension pressure etc is tough to get used to....you can get a cheap one for around 120-150 but if you love music you know how cheap instruments can be and sound
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