The droid is set for a 2.1 update and the UI looks great! Anyone know if the hero 2.1 will have animations like the one shown in the link below (youtube video)
http://phandroid.com/2009/12/21/android-2-1-on-the-motorola-droid/
No
because I believe the cpu on the droid is a generation better than the hero's.
In the mobile game, going from the Hero generation cpu to the cpu thats in the iPhone 3g S, snapdragon etc is quite a large jump.
Actually i believe the difference is only from 528mhz to 550mhz.
These caps are not even attainable without using SetCPU to force the frequencies either. I would expect the Droid to show barely any increase in performance
also you have to remeber that when the droid came out it was very laggy (worse than the hero was) and it took fixes in software, so if hero roms have sum fixes im sure we can run the same animations, epecially as we have a smaller screen so should take less memory.
Clock speed is irrelevant its like comparing one core from a 2.6ghz i7 against a 2.6ghz pentium 4. Also as far as I know the hero has no discrete graphics processing? the droid has the powervr sgx chip thats in the iphone 3gs/n900, I don't know if the UI in 2.1 is accelerated by the gpu but if it is the performance difference between the droid and the hero is huge.
Hello, the Hero runs Raging Thunder very smoothly, infact I was shocked at how well it ran. I'm sure the hero can handle those animations.
It also says that the thing that droid is running is android 2.1+Sense. So if we're getting 2.1 then that means that will be coming with it.. right?
2.1 System Image!!
It just might be a MERRY CHRISTMAS.
System image for GSM HERO (Android 2.1) found over at Androidspin: http://bit.ly/5zIOnj
notxel21 said:
It just might be a MERRY CHRISTMAS.
System image for GSM HERO (Android 2.1) found over at Androidspin: http://bit.ly/5zIOnj
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Hello, I don't think this is going to be what our update will be.
well i think those animations will work on the hero...when it gets ported on it..
cause as u can see in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74MEoDVi7x8 the espresso rom has animations too, and they work on the hero (well not that fast, but thats because the rom isnt 100% yet)
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well i think those animations will work on the hero...when it gets ported on it..
cause as u can see in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74MEoDVi7x8 the espresso rom has animations too, and they work on the hero (well not that fast, but thats because the rom isnt 100% yet)
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The animations are not on that video, and I hope thats not the final rom. The app screen looks horrible! I like the current scheme on the hero, simple and effective.
well yeah they are not the saaaaame animations as the 2.1 on the droid, but there are animations when u wanna open menus etc.... just look further in the video...so that tells me: animations are possible
lets cross the fingers
Zida2k said:
well yeah they are not the saaaaame animations as the 2.1 on the droid, but there are animations when u wanna open menus etc.... just look further in the video...so that tells me: animations are possible
lets cross the fingers
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Thats already possible with the current Hero! Just switch it on in the settings.
The animation I was looking for was the one where the app screen animates with translucent floating icons into place.
May be too intensive for the Hero, but we can always hope!
Is it possible to port the Droid rom to the Hero ? Because i like it
would be kinda cool....
The droid rom has allready been ported to the G1. So, a port for the Hero wont be far away
including its fancy animations?
because if the g1 can handle then the hero will also
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including its fancy animations?
because if the g1 can handle then the hero will also
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has the G1 been seen to run it smoothly?
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Hi i wanted to know if sense ui will ever be ported to samsung moment
i wanted to buy this phone but the moment has a faster processor and a qwerty keyboard ...
i love the moment but i love the sense ui on the hero..
so i decided to go with the moment.. hoping that sense ui will be ported over..
HTC Sense is a software UI layer on top of the Google Android OS developed and maintained by HTC only. Business wise, it would be rather stupid to give away HTC Sense to competitors like Samsung so they can port the Sense UI to their Samsung Moment phone. So the Sense UI is a business advantage for HTC.
It's safe to say you won't see the official Sense UI ported to Samsung Moment anytime soon, unless Samsung provides a UI layer that looks very similar to the Sense UI, then you'd have some sort of copyright infringement and HTC may file a lawsuit against Samsung.
So the straightforward answer is: You won't see the official Sense UI by HTC ported to any other non-HTC Android phone.
Thanks for your reply.
Is sense ui a theme?
or is it the actual operating system.
the main reason why i went with the moment was i heard the hero lagged.
that the sense ui ran slow when multiple apps were open
well the samsung moment has an 800mhz cpu and another cpu just for the modem... but i don't the speed for that one lol
so pretty much the moment is a speed monster compared to other android phones.
i love htc [i had an htc vogue wm6.5v13 & zen her0]
but they were outdone this time =[
jdm4life said:
Thanks for your reply.
Is sense ui a theme?
or is it the actual operating system.
the main reason why i went with the moment was i heard the hero lagged.
that the sense ui ran slow when multiple apps were open
well the samsung moment has an 800mhz cpu and another cpu just for the modem... but i don't the speed for that one lol
so pretty much the moment is a speed monster compared to other android phones.
i love htc [i had an htc vogue wm6.5v13 & zen her0]
but they were outdone this time =[
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Sense UI is slightly more than a theme, but it can be ported to other phones as has already been done for the Sapphire/G1. However, since it is HTC software, to put it on a Samsung Moment would be effectively warez.
The 800mhz processor is a fair bit faster than that in the Hero, but then again the Hero has more memory. Both use separate processor cores for the radio, so that is very much a wash.
I certainly wouldn't say the Moment is a speed monster compared to other Android phones - the Motorola Droid is packing an Arm A8 Cortex core CPU, which is quite a bit faster clock for clock than the Arm11 architecture of the Moment/Hero etc.
Regards,
Dave
The here has a 428mhz or a 528mhz cpu does it not?
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The here has a 428mhz or a 528mhz cpu does it not?
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Yes it does, but CPU speed is not everything! I was really pointing out that the Moment almost certainly is not as fast at the Motorola Droid.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Sense UI is slightly more than a theme, but it can be ported to other phones as has already been done for the Sapphire/G1. However, since it is HTC software, to put it on a Samsung Moment would be effectively warez.
The 800mhz processor is a fair bit faster than that in the Hero, but then again the Hero has more memory. Both use separate processor cores for the radio, so that is very much a wash.
I certainly wouldn't say the Moment is a speed monster compared to other Android phones - the Motorola Droid is packing an Arm A8 Cortex core CPU, which is quite a bit faster clock for clock than the Arm11 architecture of the Moment/Hero etc.
Regards,
Dave
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Warez?? I'm pretty sure Manila2D is HTC Software as well and it runs on the Omnia and Sense 2.5 is running on the Omnia2.
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Warez?? I'm pretty sure Manila2D is HTC Software as well and it runs on the Omnia and Sense 2.5 is running on the Omnia2.
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Warez = copyrighted software... and hence is not distributed on this forum.
If you'd like to give it a try, I would suggest that you obtain a copy of the Hero RUU someplace and extract the system.img from the ROM contained therein. From there, you should be able to find the correct pieces of the puzzle (hint: search the HTC forums for information on REMOVING SensUI or Rosie... that'll tell you what to put ON your phone).
Keep in mind. SenseUI was written for Android 1.5, so don't try to put it on any other version (it most likely will not work).
I was searching for some way to get rid of Sense UI without rooting my device and I ended up here in this discussion. Is there a way to, let us say, uninstall, or disable, or whatever, the Sense UI without rooting my device? Thank you
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I was searching for some way to get rid of Sense UI without rooting my device and I ended up here in this discussion. Is there a way to, let us say, uninstall, or disable, or whatever, the Sense UI without rooting my device? Thank you
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There's no way to completely remove it without rooting and changing ROM's.
You could install an alternative launcher e.g. LauncherPro, ADW etc. to get rid of it partially.
It will be possible?
well froyo is doing some problems to the devs.. i think it would be better to get froyo working since gingerbread will take 4 months
NO!
Minimum hardware requirements for Android 3.0 devices are: 1GHZ CPU, 512MB or RAM, displays from 3.5” and higher. (source)
beat me to it.
yea, considering the minimum system requirements for 3.0 I would have to say no. most Hero users cant even overclock past 695MHz so its a no go.
From what Im reading, theyre killing all custom UI with it too. no more Sense, no more Motoblur, no more nothing. just the new stock google UI that theyre working on.
I kinda see it as a good thing. the one problem with Android phones has been that the customization has been too vast. there needs to be more industry standards just like the iphone or we're going to run into phone wars that dont just involve iphone vs android.
I don't think that we won't be able to get Sense etc because that is the beauty of Android,freedom and customization.If we lose a little of both then...I don't know,I just don't want it to turn iPhoney!I think that they only will give a standard UI for apps so that we avoid the current situation,which is that every app has its own UI and there is no consistency.My opinion though...
If the minimum spec is 1Ghz for gingerbread, then all that news about fragmentation that google going on about is a load of rubbish!
I guess it will soon be the end of the road for the htc hero!
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If the minimum spec is 1Ghz for gingerbread, then all that news about fragmentation that google going on about is a load of rubbish!
I guess it will soon be the end of the road for the htc hero!
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We will first starve to death and then google might face problems!Anyway...Microsoft gave similar specs for WP7 but I've already seen a ported version running on the Diamond!What I've learned here in XDA-Devs is that we can never say never!My opinion?We will see Gingerbread on the Hero but it will never run well or smooth enough...Unless we can change its chipset!
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Wouldn't the absence of 'HTC Sense' allow JIT to play an even greater role in boosting performance?
Re: Froyo
There's also a Dalvik JIT compiler that improves overall CPU-bound code performance by two to five times compared to version 2.1.
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Wouldn't the absence of 'HTC Sense' allow JIT to play an even greater role in boosting performance?
Re: Froyo
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Nah...I'm sure they can develop some kind of patch to enable JIT with Sense like the ones here on XDA(right now I can remember Feeyo's and Villain's ones).
Will it be hard...
Hell yeah!!!!
But it isn't impossible just today some developers made ubuntu and Android 2.1 on HTC HD2
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Nah...I'm sure they can develop some kind of patch to enable JIT with Sense like the ones here on XDA(right now I can remember Feeyo's and Villain's ones).
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My point was that 'Sense' doesn't seem to benefit from JIT, and that 3.0 will have a superior UI making it unnecessary anyway. If the new UI isn't incredibly demanding (the reason for the 1ghz requirement cited?) and benefits from JIT, chances are that Hero can handle it.
Android 3.0 will also have a completely refreshed user interface. According to UnwiredView, the new UI will resemble the Cooliris-made photo gallery application that's on the Nexus One. It will feature animated transitions between apps and screens.
Google has hired Palm's former webOS user interface designer, Matias Duarte. His new position at Google is with the Android user experience team.
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h**p://tinyurl.com/39s9e3a
which rom??
none, go read the forum like the rest of us.
Technically, there are no 2.2's with sense even from HTC themselves. That changes on the Desire today or tomorrow.
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None at the moment, stay tuned for updates!
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.......... PLEASE POST IN GENERAL or Q&A NEXT TIME. thanx
htc desire will have 2.2 with sense but they wont post it till closer to xmas according to what Ive read.
who knows what will happen though, xda is a pretty smart place.
okay that there's no official 2.2 with Sense, but devs made some Desire 2.2 with Sense, as I see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732246
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=720294
Isn't it possible for Hero too?
Hero Froyo AOSP is in its early stages as it is so a sense froyo will take much more time.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/evo-4gs-android-2-2-update-starts-trickling-out-tomorrow-loads/
It's coming. August 3rd, 2010.
Didnt people start froyo as a port from the N1? if so then a port from the Desire wont be any harder as its same hardware? i am probably be wrong but nevermind!
There are 2.2 Senese ROMS for us Desire Owners. I think its not possible to port it to the Hero. 2.2 Sense is for Powerful devices
We really need Sense on the Hero, that's the major thing that is lacking on Android 2.2 at the moment.
Oh well if not then Ill have to wait to upgrade my phone to whatever is the next main standard android phone after the Desire.
Would not be so sure about that, most heros can hit 700mhz, not that bad a speed.
My work laptop runs WindowsXP and Ubuntu, with only 800mhz.
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Would not be so sure about that, most heros can hit 700mhz, not that bad a speed.
My work laptop runs WindowsXP and Ubuntu, with only 800mhz.
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MHz has nothing to do with performance. A Celeron D can run at 3GHz and will still perform more slowly than an underclocked 2GHz i7 series CPU.
In the land of mobile CPU's, our hero is very old. Even if it matched snapdragon in frequency, it would still lag behind.
Guys, are you serious that you prefer sense than launcherpro?
The only thing I missed from sense is the social network sync by contact, no big deal.
Go install Fusion Rom (Froyo) + Launcherpro and be happy!
Its not only the Laucnher. HTC has Skinned ANYTHING! And it looks great.
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In the land of mobile CPU's, our hero is very old. Even if it matched snapdragon in frequency, it would still lag behind.
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The CPU, or in fact the entire setup of my Thinkpad X22 is around 10 years old!
This is what used to piss me off about PC`s, people constantly seam to want bigger and faster, and 9 times out of 10, its not even needed.
It would appear that smart phones are going the same way.
For somebody to say "no you need a more powerfull device" is just pure spoon fed, marketing bollocks.
Remember the good old Amiga, or even Spectrum days, performance increases were done by the code, not like the daft PC way of doing things = "just bolt another cpu in under the bonnet"
Look at something like JIT, huge performance increases, simply by making better code, no need at all for a larger cpu.
The legend will get froyo sense in q3.
We'll port it and it will run pretty flawlessly, except that the camera will have problems like current cm6; has, until someone manages to compile a .33 kernel for the hero, including a fixed camera driver.
it is possible ported HTC chacha ROM for HTC hero? is ported to myTouch 3G Slide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039644 and HTC Aria
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225858
thanks for reply.
isaac12 said:
it is possible ported HTC chacha ROM for HTC hero? is ported to myTouch 3G Slide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039644 and HTC Aria
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225858
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Fun idea but I dislike the idea of using my phone in landscape all the time. and even more with the keyboard.. But yea funny idea.
Yeah, it's not a very practical idea to be honest. I haven't used the software yet so I don't know what we'd be missing without the "Facebook Button". I guess that if it was ported then maybe a button could be mapped from the current layout. Who knows.
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Yeah, it's not a very practical idea to be honest. I haven't used the software yet so I don't know what we'd be missing without the "Facebook Button". I guess that if it was ported then maybe a button could be mapped from the current layout. Who knows.
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It is possible to map a button, for example the search button, to act like the facebook button Someone did it with the salsa rom
Habarug said:
It is possible to map a button, for example the search button, to act like the facebook button Someone did it with the salsa rom
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actually there is guide too on it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695936&highlight=remap
only point to be noted is instead of heroc use hero and the keys r numbered differently but u can figure it out wen u pull ur keypad.nl file
I can't think why you would want to do this. Some of the custom ROMs out there are based on the same version of Android, unless you're after SENSE 3.0 or something...
Nice idea, but I think the Chacha (the wife has one) is to unique to port, static keyboard, landscape view...
please port only for test
Habarug said:
It is possible to map a button, for example the search button, to act like the facebook button Someone did it with the salsa rom
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yes, remapping is not a problem.
To change it
find "hero-keypad" in \system\usr\keylayout\
edit hero-keypad with root explorer
change key 231 to "key 231 HTC_SHARE "
then your call button is your facebook share button
but i have also a update.zip for that.
why port software that can't help us in any way?)))...we have a lot of working roms that rock...
Want to see a working Sense 3.5 on the hero, and i believe that it will work without any problems
Stefan
yes I want to try Sense 3.5
if this is possible.
it should be possible
sense 2.1 runs on our hero smooooth
3.0 not.. need dual core
BUT sense 3.5 just needs an 800 Mhz processor and not that much ram (not much more then 2.1)
yes i know 800 Mhz agains 710 (max) armv6 are like apple's and peers
but its more likely to get sense 3.5 then 3.0
hope someone will port it soon
i tried but im not good enough
stroobach said:
it should be possible
sense 2.1 runs on our hero smooooth
3.0 not.. need dual core
BUT sense 3.5 just needs an 800 Mhz processor and not that much ram (not much more then 2.1)
yes i know 800 Mhz agains 710 (max) armv6 are like apple's and peers
but its more likely to get sense 3.5 then 3.0
hope someone will port it soon
i tried but im not good enough
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wow, you have a vivid imagination.
not only is the 800 Mhz processor quite a bit faster than most of us can overclock reliably (which is in the mid to high 600Mhz range), but that phone's chipset has on-board GPU hardware that the hero lacks which speeds up rendering immensely and may even be required by the pre-compiled htc sense executables on that phone. Depending on compile flags etc it's possible that rom may never run at all on the hero, even slowly.
There is no reason to believe it will run or won't run - there are far too many variables.
I'll tell you one thing - I WANT to see someone try this, and if anyone can do it I vote for JieeHD with some help from erasmux, elelinux, ninpo, Riemer and others.
isaac12 said:
it is possible ported HTC chacha ROM for HTC hero? is ported to myTouch 3G Slide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039644 and HTC Aria
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225858
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YES IT IS... there is any concret feature that u like? because its not necesary to port the all the rom... (landscape, etc..)
maybe u can emule the features with any apk or theme
just coming back to the hero forum to put my input in here,
im sorry to say it but i think it is extremely unlikely you will get sense 3.5 on the hero.
we have just got a port on the desire and even that involved heavy modification of egl libs. its only a first beta at the moment and it runs smooth but it is plagued by intermittent lag once you start restoring apps. we use scripts and things to speed it up but in the end it still just isnt that smooth!
sorry to crush people's dreams of what could be but i just wanted to state the reality of course a dev could give it a damn good try to get it ported and may very well succeed!
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sense 2.1 runs on our hero smooooth
3.0 not.. need dual core
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not true mate i have it in my dhd, and in the htc desire of my wife
dkelley said:
wow, you have a vivid imagination.
not only is the 800 Mhz processor quite a bit faster than most of us can overclock reliably (which is in the mid to high 600Mhz range), but that phone's chipset has on-board GPU hardware that the hero lacks which speeds up rendering immensely and may even be required by the pre-compiled htc sense executables on that phone. Depending on compile flags etc it's possible that rom may never run at all on the hero, even slowly.
There is no reason to believe it will run or won't run - there are far too many variables.
I'll tell you one thing - I WANT to see someone try this, and if anyone can do it I vote for JieeHD with some help from erasmux, elelinux, ninpo, Riemer and others.
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LOL Don
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We have a ChaCha port for our Legends. It was pretty cool the first day...then everyone lost interest.
It didn't come with a software keyboard.
Gee, I wonder why. ;-)
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Hi all,
Had my EVO 3D now for two days and it's a great phone, the 3D features are superb (probably a novelty but i'm enjoying them for now)
I've rooted and s-off'd my phone and the bootloader is unlocked.
I've installed a few roms, mostly sense, but pretty much everyone i have tried is quite laggy, not all the time but laggy in parts, now i was under the impression that this was pretty much the same phone (bar a few bits) as the sensation.
The sensation roms that i've had were superb, no lag (or very very little) and they worked perfect for the most part.
Is this because it's not been developed for -for very long? Or is this something which we will have to get used to?
EG: If anyones wondering what i'm on about, spin your carousel around and when it's about to re-align with the last window, it jitters slightly, the sensation on lets say insert coin never did this.
I'm running leedroid at the moment, the roms good it just stutters a bit, i've also tried king cobra, mikrunny, shooterbeats, the only one i've not tried is honeycombo.
Oh and i'm using lees kernel too at 1.5ghz max 400mhz min.
I'm not having a go at the dev's because in my eyes they're a bunch of geniuses whom we could not have our beloved androids without, my hat comes off to all of them, it's just i'm noticing a fair bit of lag through all the roms i've tried.
Any one elses input on this would be good.
Cheers.
I have used a few ROM/kernel combinations that would cause my second core (CPU1) to go completely offline. Its not supposed to be on all the time (although you can set it to be); but it is supposed to come on under heavy load. This tutorial helped me solve that problem. Maybe will help you too?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20519070&postcount=3129
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I have used a few ROM/kernel combinations that would cause my second core (CPU1) to go completely offline. Its not supposed to be on all the time (although you can set it to be); but it is supposed to come on under heavy load. This tutorial helped me solve that problem. Maybe will help you too?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20519070&postcount=3129
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Thanks m8, I did get the app, bought it too nice app but i haven't noticed any change in terms of speed or performance and it does have that irritating lag when swiping between some screens.
I know sense isn't perfect but my DHD was smoother than this with sense 3.0 roms.
EDIT: Just checked the setting within system tuner pro (has to be pro, the free one doesn't allow the switching of the cores) , don't set it to boot, set it to init.d script instead, the second core hadn't come on active until i did this, it's probably going to rinse my battery but if it makes it smoother (which it has) then great.
Thanks man.
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So in short.
Buy system tuner pro.
Switch on all cores, via settings - Active tweaks - force all cpu's online - init.d
Go back and select CPU from main page.
Knock up the frequency to whats safe / needed.
Enjoy a smoother rom and a shorter battery life
i like fresh never lags on my phone stock kernel its probably as close to stock as you can get but it has a lot of goodies i don't like all the flashy colors of other rom's if that sounds like what u like check out fresh
twiztidninja said:
i like fresh never lags on my phone stock kernel its probably as close to stock as you can get but it has a lot of goodies i don't like all the flashy colors of other rom's if that sounds like what u like check out fresh
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I will do m8, thanks.
I've been living with the Desire HD and Sensation for some time now and the roms on both of those phones are superb, no lag whatsoever, they just work and i only realised how well when i put the two of them together and swiped the carousel, the sensation was about 10fps better off, very noticable when you compare them, i really hope the dev's get their heads together on this.
Try ledriod mega quick
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geordie 34 said:
Try ledriod mega quick
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Yea i'm using Leedroid at the moment, it is the fastest rom out there for the GSM EVO3D but i think there is still room for improvement.