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Hi i wanted to know if sense ui will ever be ported to samsung moment
i wanted to buy this phone but the moment has a faster processor and a qwerty keyboard ...
i love the moment but i love the sense ui on the hero..
so i decided to go with the moment.. hoping that sense ui will be ported over..
HTC Sense is a software UI layer on top of the Google Android OS developed and maintained by HTC only. Business wise, it would be rather stupid to give away HTC Sense to competitors like Samsung so they can port the Sense UI to their Samsung Moment phone. So the Sense UI is a business advantage for HTC.
It's safe to say you won't see the official Sense UI ported to Samsung Moment anytime soon, unless Samsung provides a UI layer that looks very similar to the Sense UI, then you'd have some sort of copyright infringement and HTC may file a lawsuit against Samsung.
So the straightforward answer is: You won't see the official Sense UI by HTC ported to any other non-HTC Android phone.
Thanks for your reply.
Is sense ui a theme?
or is it the actual operating system.
the main reason why i went with the moment was i heard the hero lagged.
that the sense ui ran slow when multiple apps were open
well the samsung moment has an 800mhz cpu and another cpu just for the modem... but i don't the speed for that one lol
so pretty much the moment is a speed monster compared to other android phones.
i love htc [i had an htc vogue wm6.5v13 & zen her0]
but they were outdone this time =[
jdm4life said:
Thanks for your reply.
Is sense ui a theme?
or is it the actual operating system.
the main reason why i went with the moment was i heard the hero lagged.
that the sense ui ran slow when multiple apps were open
well the samsung moment has an 800mhz cpu and another cpu just for the modem... but i don't the speed for that one lol
so pretty much the moment is a speed monster compared to other android phones.
i love htc [i had an htc vogue wm6.5v13 & zen her0]
but they were outdone this time =[
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Sense UI is slightly more than a theme, but it can be ported to other phones as has already been done for the Sapphire/G1. However, since it is HTC software, to put it on a Samsung Moment would be effectively warez.
The 800mhz processor is a fair bit faster than that in the Hero, but then again the Hero has more memory. Both use separate processor cores for the radio, so that is very much a wash.
I certainly wouldn't say the Moment is a speed monster compared to other Android phones - the Motorola Droid is packing an Arm A8 Cortex core CPU, which is quite a bit faster clock for clock than the Arm11 architecture of the Moment/Hero etc.
Regards,
Dave
The here has a 428mhz or a 528mhz cpu does it not?
jdm4life said:
The here has a 428mhz or a 528mhz cpu does it not?
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Yes it does, but CPU speed is not everything! I was really pointing out that the Moment almost certainly is not as fast at the Motorola Droid.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Sense UI is slightly more than a theme, but it can be ported to other phones as has already been done for the Sapphire/G1. However, since it is HTC software, to put it on a Samsung Moment would be effectively warez.
The 800mhz processor is a fair bit faster than that in the Hero, but then again the Hero has more memory. Both use separate processor cores for the radio, so that is very much a wash.
I certainly wouldn't say the Moment is a speed monster compared to other Android phones - the Motorola Droid is packing an Arm A8 Cortex core CPU, which is quite a bit faster clock for clock than the Arm11 architecture of the Moment/Hero etc.
Regards,
Dave
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Warez?? I'm pretty sure Manila2D is HTC Software as well and it runs on the Omnia and Sense 2.5 is running on the Omnia2.
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Warez?? I'm pretty sure Manila2D is HTC Software as well and it runs on the Omnia and Sense 2.5 is running on the Omnia2.
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Warez = copyrighted software... and hence is not distributed on this forum.
If you'd like to give it a try, I would suggest that you obtain a copy of the Hero RUU someplace and extract the system.img from the ROM contained therein. From there, you should be able to find the correct pieces of the puzzle (hint: search the HTC forums for information on REMOVING SensUI or Rosie... that'll tell you what to put ON your phone).
Keep in mind. SenseUI was written for Android 1.5, so don't try to put it on any other version (it most likely will not work).
I was searching for some way to get rid of Sense UI without rooting my device and I ended up here in this discussion. Is there a way to, let us say, uninstall, or disable, or whatever, the Sense UI without rooting my device? Thank you
pulses said:
I was searching for some way to get rid of Sense UI without rooting my device and I ended up here in this discussion. Is there a way to, let us say, uninstall, or disable, or whatever, the Sense UI without rooting my device? Thank you
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There's no way to completely remove it without rooting and changing ROM's.
You could install an alternative launcher e.g. LauncherPro, ADW etc. to get rid of it partially.
which rom??
none, go read the forum like the rest of us.
Technically, there are no 2.2's with sense even from HTC themselves. That changes on the Desire today or tomorrow.
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None at the moment, stay tuned for updates!
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.......... PLEASE POST IN GENERAL or Q&A NEXT TIME. thanx
htc desire will have 2.2 with sense but they wont post it till closer to xmas according to what Ive read.
who knows what will happen though, xda is a pretty smart place.
okay that there's no official 2.2 with Sense, but devs made some Desire 2.2 with Sense, as I see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732246
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=720294
Isn't it possible for Hero too?
Hero Froyo AOSP is in its early stages as it is so a sense froyo will take much more time.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/evo-4gs-android-2-2-update-starts-trickling-out-tomorrow-loads/
It's coming. August 3rd, 2010.
Didnt people start froyo as a port from the N1? if so then a port from the Desire wont be any harder as its same hardware? i am probably be wrong but nevermind!
There are 2.2 Senese ROMS for us Desire Owners. I think its not possible to port it to the Hero. 2.2 Sense is for Powerful devices
We really need Sense on the Hero, that's the major thing that is lacking on Android 2.2 at the moment.
Oh well if not then Ill have to wait to upgrade my phone to whatever is the next main standard android phone after the Desire.
Would not be so sure about that, most heros can hit 700mhz, not that bad a speed.
My work laptop runs WindowsXP and Ubuntu, with only 800mhz.
Sticky-Micky said:
Would not be so sure about that, most heros can hit 700mhz, not that bad a speed.
My work laptop runs WindowsXP and Ubuntu, with only 800mhz.
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MHz has nothing to do with performance. A Celeron D can run at 3GHz and will still perform more slowly than an underclocked 2GHz i7 series CPU.
In the land of mobile CPU's, our hero is very old. Even if it matched snapdragon in frequency, it would still lag behind.
Guys, are you serious that you prefer sense than launcherpro?
The only thing I missed from sense is the social network sync by contact, no big deal.
Go install Fusion Rom (Froyo) + Launcherpro and be happy!
Its not only the Laucnher. HTC has Skinned ANYTHING! And it looks great.
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In the land of mobile CPU's, our hero is very old. Even if it matched snapdragon in frequency, it would still lag behind.
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The CPU, or in fact the entire setup of my Thinkpad X22 is around 10 years old!
This is what used to piss me off about PC`s, people constantly seam to want bigger and faster, and 9 times out of 10, its not even needed.
It would appear that smart phones are going the same way.
For somebody to say "no you need a more powerfull device" is just pure spoon fed, marketing bollocks.
Remember the good old Amiga, or even Spectrum days, performance increases were done by the code, not like the daft PC way of doing things = "just bolt another cpu in under the bonnet"
Look at something like JIT, huge performance increases, simply by making better code, no need at all for a larger cpu.
The legend will get froyo sense in q3.
We'll port it and it will run pretty flawlessly, except that the camera will have problems like current cm6; has, until someone manages to compile a .33 kernel for the hero, including a fixed camera driver.
Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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anon2122 said:
From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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I did have a very good look at all three Froyos ROMs and then I installed 2.1 again, Android 2.1 is so far 100% better for the HTC Hero, in my opinion.
I don't think I miss much by having to individually update the apps, especially since I don't like being the first to update apps as not all updates are for the best (E.G. Astro (now with adds))
Although the Rom is meant to be faster I found it a lot slower, even though I was using Set CPU, only Fusion Rom was decent (but as other roms still had reliability problems). With 2.1 everything is much faster.
I will probably try Android 2.2 again, but I will probably wait till there is a version with Sense as in my opinion Launcher pro (plus) is so inferior in comparison. Sense is a very important feature in my opinion.
Between Android 1.5 > 2.1 there was a big difference and it was worth updating, here no such difference exist, and the main attraction of 2.2 the ability to play proper flash does not work with the Hero.
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App
wayferer said:
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App
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Yeah, i'd agree. Wait another week or two, till the issues start to go, then look again
tbh i think it is good that the scene is moving towards 2.2.
sure things dont fully work atm and certain features wont be beneficial on the hero, but at least there are people working on it so that there is an option if it is needed/wanted.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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I just posted (on my two posts) on what we have available at the moment, and what we know about Android 2.2 in relation to flash, app2sd and automatic updates. No matter what rom comes out in the future these problems will persist.
I agree that all the roms we have are just beta-like versions, and that I am hopeful that the roms will be faster in due time. I even mentioned in my 2nd post that I will try Android 2.2 again once someone manages to incorporate HTC sense to it.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
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I 100% agree with you, and I fully appreciate all the work that developers make in order to develop these roms. But at this moment in time, I found that upgrading my phone to Android 2.2 felt more of a downgrade (excluding Fusion, to some extent).
To be honest ill be very surprised, if we ever get a good Froyo rom, which is as fast as the 2.1 roms and works properly with flash. But we will have to wait and see.
Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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I can be even more specific. A few days after HTC does the first Sense Froyo ROM for Slide or Legend. But no idea how good these ROMs will be, as there will be porting needed.
I've heard/read that ONLY honeycomb makes use of the dual core.
So what's the advantage of having a dual core phone running gingerbread?
Nvm I found some information.
Sry for makimg a new useless topic
Where did you find the information?
Please post the Link!
All of the information I've read shows that Ice Cream should be the build with this integrated.
It's somewhat baffling that it's taken this long considering that for the average phone user, how smooth the phone is plays a huge part in whether they like it or not.
iOS has had GPU UI acceleration since its inception, how have the Android team members let this slide? Is it simply because the implementation requires a massive structural re-write?
Tossing the 2D UI acceleration over to the GPU should theoretically increase the speed of the OS as well, since it frees up the CPU to focus on its own tasks.
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iOS has had GPU UI acceleration since its inception, how have the Android team members let this slide? Is it simply because the implementation requires a massive structural re-write?
Tossing the 2D UI acceleration over to the GPU should theoretically increase the speed of the OS as well, since it frees up the CPU to focus on its own tasks.
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Caching is primarily what makes it so smooth on the iPhone, not GPU acceleration; though that helps a fair amount, also. The lack of heavy use of caching everything in the UI for what seems like all Android UIs is what has baffled me about Android UIs. Home screen launcher replacements like LauncherPro use it, and it makes everything nice and silky smooth. I've honestly been thinking that most UI designers for the hardware companies simply do not know what they are doing.
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All of the information I've read shows that Ice Cream should be the build with this integrated.
It's somewhat baffling that it's taken this long considering that for the average phone user, how smooth the phone is plays a huge part in whether they like it or not.
iOS has had GPU UI acceleration since its inception, how have the Android team members let this slide? Is it simply because the implementation requires a massive structural re-write?
Tossing the 2D UI acceleration over to the GPU should theoretically increase the speed of the OS as well, since it frees up the CPU to focus on its own tasks.
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it's not that simple...ios is missing a lot of features. i read that it doesn't support java and just object-oriented C++.
Since android was started, phone developers have pushed it in directions that Google didn't originally plan for. That's why the nexus s only had single core, and afaik, all the dual core phones have software on top of android to manage the dual core processing, which doesn't really do much for them. yes they're faster, but i think not as fast as they could/should be.
i'm assuming the next nexus will be a dual core, and with android that has support for them. if so, it'd blow all dual cores away to this point, because processor management is more efficient the lower in the stack it's handled.
however, what with the nexus s 4g being recently released, i'm not expecting the next nexus to be around anytime soon as G focus on tablets.
Since the SGS2 is so fast for web browsing and flash content, as well as UI, what type of magic do they do if they aren't altering the basic Android system? Does it involve using dual-core? How specific are the Samsung optimizations and are they low-level enough for Google to say this would be great in Ice Cream and thus steal that optimization from them? Is TouchWiz actually faster than stock Android? Or is that impossible since it is built on top of Android? Will the browser speed translate to other installed browsers, or is it specific to the stock browser? I really don't know how far Samsung or any other manufacturer can customize the software beyond just superficial skins and whether or not deep customizations change the system fundamentally and possibly break certain apps.
I didn't really investigate this issue deeply, but I think it works out like this:
Right now, the android sdk (2.3) provides no means to use more than one CPU core.
Still, multicore CPUs will increase performance because background processes can use CPU time on the core not being used by the running app.
This also applies to garbage collection (GC) which happens periodically (I guess you can trigger it manually too) whilst an app is running. With more than one core, the GC won't block the app which makes it feel "smoother".
I remember reading about Google's plans to improve multicore-support in android 2.4. It will take some time for existing apps to use it though (like it's happened with desktop applications).
Then just imagine the performance of the SGS II device with hardware acceleration support.
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All of the information I've read shows that Ice Cream should be the build with this integrated.
It's somewhat baffling that it's taken this long considering that for the average phone user, how smooth the phone is plays a huge part in whether they like it or not.
iOS has had GPU UI acceleration since its inception, how have the Android team members let this slide? Is it simply because the implementation requires a massive structural re-write?
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Since Honeycomb utilizes GPU for UI rendering, I guess it will be available on Ice Cream too.
Android is handicapped by the big range of hardware used by manufacturers. Some GPUs are simply too slow or have other issues which will make GPU acceleration fail. This is not an issue for Apple, because there is no hardware choice on iOS.
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Since the SGS2 is so fast for web browsing and flash content, as well as UI, what type of magic do they do if they aren't altering the basic Android system? Does it involve using dual-core? How specific are the Samsung optimizations and are they low-level enough for Google to say this would be great in Ice Cream and thus steal that optimization from them? Is TouchWiz actually faster than stock Android? Or is that impossible since it is built on top of Android? Will the browser speed translate to other installed browsers, or is it specific to the stock browser? I really don't know how far Samsung or any other manufacturer can customize the software beyond just superficial skins and whether or not deep customizations change the system fundamentally and possibly break certain apps.
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All parts of android (2.3) are open sourced, so Samsung can customize anything they want. They don't have to release the changed version as open source though (except for the GPLed parts, like the kernel) - so we'll probably never know what they've been doing.
german wikipedia says that gingerbread 2.3.3 features dual-core support ...
Link it please, thats odd.
My German is bad as I only read it for a couple of year but here is the Wikipedia page http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(Betriebssystem)
At the bottom you have "Dual-Core-Unterstützung" on 2.3.3 which means it support it.
But as always Wikipedia is never 100% correct so who know
I read that they will re-release a gingerbread version (2.4?) that will take advantage of Dual-core apps. So basically, they add dual-core support and it will also still be gingerbread but version 2.4 of android.
Come to think of it, they did the same thing with Eclair (2.0 and 2.1) already.
Hope this helps
I think they have already done that with "Gingerbread 2.3.3", Instead of calling v 2.4 GINGERBREAD as well, they made the changes in "Gingerbread" and gave it versioning 2.3.3.
Thats what it looks like all on Wikipedia pages. Highlights 2.3.3 as a Major release.
Yes, the wiki says that dual-cores are supported from 2.3.3 and it says too that dual-core-apps are supported on single-core smartphones! --> Thats an indication for real dual-core support!
I'm just waiting for when Android decides to implement GPU UI acceleration.
Even if apps are offered dual core support, if both of those cores are still working on UI animations instead of tossing it to the GPU, it seems like 3 steps forward, 2 steps back.
As I understand it, Gingerbread (2.3) offers limited dual-core support. If your phone has a 2nd core available, then it will move the Garbage Collector onto the 2nd core which means there will be a lot less lag in applications and games when the GC fires off to remove unused resources.
http:/ /developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html
It's under the 'enhancements to games' section I believe.
Honeycomb (3.0) offers full UI hardware acceleration and makes full use of both cores - so wait for Ice Cream to come to phones and it will be fully supported.
I know that wikipedia isnt always right but if i assume that it is right this time it says that what you just wrote Xailter was integrated in 2.3 and real dual-core support in 2.3.3 :
2.3 features:
Linux-Kernel 2.6.35.7
Unterstützung von WebM
Unterstützung von HTML5 Audio [31]
Unterstützung von Google TV
Unterstützung von Near Field Communication
Parallele Garbage Collection für ruckelfreiere Animationen
verbesserte Integration von sozialen Netzwerken
Unterstützung von Gyroskopen (nicht zu verwechseln mit Bewegungssensoren) und anderen Sensoren (u.a. Barometer, Schwerkraftsensor)[32]
Integrierter SIP-Client für VoIP[33]
Integrierter Downloadmanager[33]
Unterstützung des Ext4-Dateisystems[34]
translated something like "parallel garbage collection for smoother animations"
while 2.3.3 features:
Dual-Core-Unterstützung
Unterstützung von Dual-Core-Apps auf Single-Core-Geräten
verbesserte Unterstützung der NFC-Technik
verbesserte Bluetooth-Unterstützung
kleinere Verbesserungen
which means dual-core support
support for dual-core apps on single-core-devices
improved support of nfc
improved support for bluetooth
minor improvements
if we can believe in what wikipedia says ... 2.3.3 features dual-core support
and i think it is true because it would just make sense to support the hardware that is releasing right now
source: de. wikipedia. org/wiki/Android_%28Betriebssystem%29#Versionsverlauf
sry for the spaces .. but i'm not allowed to post outside links
I thought it worth opening a discussion on the recent Google engineer's Google+ post on how ICS handles hardware acceleration vs. Honeycomb. That is to say, it doesn't offer "more" hardware acceleration at all.
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
Not to say that ICS won't be more highly optimized nor that it might not have better multi-core support (I have no idea if it does or doesn't), but it's not going to offer magically better hardware acceleration than Honeycomb.
Thoughts?
That was an interesting read when I saw it earlier, yes. I can't really say what the consequences of it are, as I haven't used Honeycomb. At least we can take from it that, as Tegra 3 has the most powerful GPU on any Android device, it has the most potential to be the smoothest in operation?
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That was an interesting read when I saw it earlier, yes. I can't really say what the consequences of it are, as I haven't used Honeycomb. At least we can take from it that, as Tegra 3 has the most powerful GPU on any Android device, it has the most potential to be the smoothest in operation?
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Unlikely.
When it comes to hardware acceleration and multi-core support, then Android 4.0 is pretty much the same as Honeycomb. My only hope is that the UI of Android 4.0 is better, as it is not very laggy on my Galaxy Nexus.
Multi-core will play more role when there are a lot of parallel tasks, it might affect some games, but overall, while it will be the best Android tablet yet, it won't be the best tablet ever. For that we still have to wait at least a year or more.
so they're saying it's just their piss poor optimization for ANYTHING that makes dual core devices with 1GB of ram run like crap on their OS.
dissapointing.
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Unlikely.
When it comes to hardware acceleration and multi-core support, then Android 4.0 is pretty much the same as Honeycomb. My only hope is that the UI of Android 4.0 is better, as it is not very laggy on my Galaxy Nexus.
Multi-core will play more role when there are a lot of parallel tasks, it might affect some games, but overall, while it will be the best Android tablet yet, it won't be the best tablet ever. For that we still have to wait at least a year or more.
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It's...a paradox!
Optimization is the name of the game. ICS will help the Tegra 2 tabs, but i suspect it will have an even greater impact on the prime.
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When it comes to hardware acceleration and multi-core support, then Android 4.0 is pretty much the same as Honeycomb.
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Indeed. I was really referring to this in the linked article:
As device screen resolution goes up, achieving a 60fps UI is closely related to GPU speed and especially the GPU’s memory bus bandwidth.
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I think the reality is ...
Google screwed the pooch when it came to having non-native apps (aka framework based) be accelerated *efficiently* in pre-3.0 days. Some operations did go to the GPU then, but the fact was some sub-view getting invalidated caused much more rendering than was needed.
In 3.x they added an option to have apps say "please accelerate me", but that option is an "opt-in". That choice was done for back-compatibility (not *every* operation in the framework is allowed to be accelerated which means some apps could break).
In reality, most of the "OS" level apps did an opt-in, but not everything. I also doubt general "market" apps do the opt-in (unless they are 3.x+ only).
In 4.x, it's going to be an "opt-out" strategy. So, if an app is broken in ICS, then the developer needs to update/fix their code (IFF necessary, since most are likely to "just work").
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Unlikely.
When it comes to hardware acceleration and multi-core support, then Android 4.0 is pretty much the same as Honeycomb. My only hope is that the UI of Android 4.0 is better, as it is not very laggy on my Galaxy Nexus.
Multi-core will play more role when there are a lot of parallel tasks, it might affect some games, but overall, while it will be the best Android tablet yet, it won't be the best tablet ever. For that we still have to wait at least a year or more.
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From what I understand, Honeycomb offers dual-core support. ICS offers greater support than only dual-core.
While that whole read was a little bit disappointing, I am still convinced that ICS overall has been cleaned up compared to Honeycomb/Gingerbread and will make better use of the exceptional hardware of Android devices. The Verge gave ICS an absolutely glowing review in their review of the Galaxy Nexus (they notably said that it was the single greatest leap in the Android OS), and for my particular phone (HTC Sensation), the people who have tried a pre-alpha build of ICS have said that it's already a good deal smoother than Gingerbread ROMs, and of course they aren't even using fully fleshed out builds of ICS.
Whether or not ICS offers things a lot of people have been talking about like greater hardware acceleration, I don't care. As long as it's smoother and can finally hold up a torch to the speed of iOS, that's all that matters. I couldn't care less about the means to achieve that.
I think the biggest gain tye dev community (and in turn the userbase) is going to get from ics is that they will finally release source for a tablet branch of android.
The Janitor Mop said:
the people who have tried a pre-alpha build of ICS have said that it's already a good deal smoother than Gingerbread ROMs, and of course they aren't even using fully fleshed out builds of ICS.
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I've no doubt that ICS significantly improves on Gingerbread on phones. The question is, how significant will the improvement be from Honeycomb on tablets?
Not saying either way, just moving the discussion along.
wynand32 said:
I've no doubt that ICS significantly improves on Gingerbread on phones. The question is, how significant will the improvement be from Honeycomb on tablets?
Not saying either way, just moving the discussion along.
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Of course, there is no way to say for sure. But Gingerbread has dual-core support just like Honeycomb does. Assuming part of the reason these pre-alpha ICS builds for my phone are so fast is better multi-core support, then I would think there's good evidence ICS would also improve multi-core support over Honeycomb. I don't think there's any reason to doubt that ICS will be faster on tablets than Honeycomb was, though I will admit we really do have no way of knowing how much. Ultimately, I say we give up the whole "in theory" game, wait for our TF Prime's to ship, and then update them to ICS once that update becomes available. Considering that Asus promised a before the end of the year update, I'd assume that means mid-January is the latest we get ICS. That's only about 5-6 weeks from now to wait to personally be able to see what ICS can do.
A great reply to the initial post:
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
If you're into this stuff, it's a pretty interesting read.
I'll read it, but he starts by saying that webOS performs without lag. Um, what?
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Even Nvidia have confirmed already that software will not matter when it comes to the tegra 3 chipset...
It treats all software the same quad core optimized or not. I dont think ICS will improved anything other than maybe anti-piracy. It will also suck down your 1gb ram alot quicker too because it requires more ram to operate than honeycomb.
Here is a video from nvidia showing how the cores work with software, quad core optimized or not.
http://www.hardwareclips.com/video/5447/NVIDIA-Tegra-3-Fifth-Companion-Core
ModestMuse23 said:
A great reply to the initial post:
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
If you're into this stuff, it's a pretty interesting read.
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wynand32 said:
I'll read it, but he starts by saying that webOS performs without lag. Um, what?
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Haha! He's mostly right, but as the owner of a TouchPad he probably should have kept WebOS off his list of those that "do it right".