Regarding HBOOT;
1.46 and 1.47 can root, while 1.49 cannot, correct?
Regarding the rooting process;
Rooting the phone does not change the HBOOT version. The version originally on the phone will remain the same after root, this is assuming Ivan's guide has been used to root.
That is all, thanks in advance.
Anyone? I really don't want to take this to IRC ..
I believe this has already been discussed. Root is only acquired via "root image" no exploit has been found. Meaning old hboot can be rooted, new hboot can NOT. "From what info I know."
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From what I have read the old Hboot was never actually rooted. A root access copy was leaked, and that is how we got root.
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I believe this has already been discussed. Root is only acquired via "root image" no exploit has been found. Meaning old hboot can be rooted, new hboot can NOT. "From what info I know."
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From what I have read the old Hboot was never actually rooted. A root access copy was leaked, and that is how we got root.
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Are either of you developers?
Regardless, if this hold true and the rooting process doesn't change your hboot version, I hold in my hand a miracle. I have a 1.49 Eris that's been rooted when it was on 1.5.
I still don't fully understand the hboot version debate going on, but I do know that my hboot version reads 1.49.
Anyone else want to chime in and explain what's going on here? I'd appreciate it.
I am not a developer, but I have a rooted Eris with hboot 1.49. I rooted before the v3 leak came out. When jcase posted the rooted rom I installed it. That's when my hboot changed. I never lost root, and my hboot was upgraded.
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.mak: The rooted roms are all running bootloader 1.47.
Leaked users are on 1.49.
So yes, to all of your questions.
.mak: The rooted roms are all running bootloader 1.47.
Leaked users are on 1.49.
So yes, to all of your questions.
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Unless you had root and installed Jcase's leakbase4rom. Then you would have root and 1.49.
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.mak said:
Are either of you developers?
Regardless, if this hold true and the rooting process doesn't change your hboot version, I hold in my hand a miracle. I have a 1.49 Eris that's been rooted when it was on 1.5.
I still don't fully understand the hboot version debate going on, but I do know that my hboot version reads 1.49.
Anyone else want to chime in and explain what's going on here? I'd appreciate it.
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I am not a dev, but I will link you to the explanation from a dev. Framework43 explains it well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6604000&postcount=13
*Edit: Oops, sorry .mak I just saw your reply in that thread. Lolz.
As it turns out, to those who didn't click the link above, the rooting process changes your HBOOT to 1.49 S-OFF, which is an engineering SPL, which is how we're able to install custom images to the Eris.
So, in short, my phone is not a miracle, it's just another rooted Eris, and my questions have been answered
So given your question. Does that mean that you can root, force s-off by following guide "backup before you root"?
Regarding HBOOT;
1.46 and 1.47 can root, while 1.49 cannot, correct?
Regarding the rooting process;
Rooting the phone does not change the HBOOT version. The version originally on the phone will remain the same after root, this is assuming Ivan's guide has been used to root.
That is all, thanks in advance.
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Late reply, I'm not a dev, still in the process of learning how to program.
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I have the leaked 2.1 v3 does that mean i rooted my phone to put it on it? Is my phone now rooted?
No. Your phone is not rooted. Leaked v3 is essentially the same as the upgrade from Verizon.
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and because i have V3 im not able to Root right?
yes
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So NO custom ROMS for me...this sucks
Yep. You, me, and loads of others using the leaked versions. Not to worry though. the devs are working on rooting the leak for us. It may take some time so just be patient.
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I'm hoping soon too, I just got a replacement with 2.1 and 1.49 hboot loaded because mine had trackball issue. The original was the same but thought I was going to get lucky with replacement. Guess I was wrong.
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hang tight guys, devs are still working on root for leakers. they're looking at a couple attack vectors and will notify everyone once they've got something working
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I have the leaked 2.1 v3 does that mean i rooted my phone to put it on it? Is my phone now rooted?
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What exactly is it that makes you think you have leak-V3?
Check your bootloader version (power phone up holding Vol-down+End/Power).
If it says 1.47.xxxx (S-ON), you can root
if it says 1.49.xxxx (S-OFF), you have already rooted
if it says 1.49.xxxx (S-ON), you have put a "leak" (V1, V2, or V3) on your phone and can not root.
Then, reboot and look at Settings->About phone->Software information. If you put a leak on there, you should be able to decipher which one it was by looking at this post on Androidforums.com
Note that you can not tell the difference between the OTA-2.1 and Leak-V3 from the O/S software information alone - determine that by looking at the bootloader (HBOOT) Version number and security status (S-OFF vs. S-ON).
bftb0
I have HBOOT 1.49 and I have S-OFF and I'm currently not rooted.
crax0r said:
I have HBOOT 1.49 and I have S-OFF and I'm currently not rooted.
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There is only a single 1.49 S-OFF bootloader "in the wild" - and it is from the ROOT ROM.
That does not mean that you must have a rooted OS on top of it - you can "root" the Eris, in the sense of installing that very bootloader (1.49 S-OFF), and then back-install any OS you like on top of it (manually).
For instance, I have had stock 1.5 running on my phone for experiments, but with the root (1.49 S-OFF) bootloader sitting there as the bootloader. The "O/S" is not "rooted" - but the bootloader is there which would allow me to write anything I want to the phone. So, calling that "not rooted" is semantically accurate - if you are only talking about the OS on top.
Having said that, there is not a single chance that you have 1.49 S-OFF on your phone without it having been touched by the root-PB00IMG.zip HTC ROM at one point or another in its past. Either that or you work for HTC.
bftb0
Lucky you mine is s-on
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Question,
I have 2.1 ota My HBoot is 1.46 and s=on
can this be rooted?
And why/how do I have Hboot 1.46 with 2.1 I havn't done anything but the OTA
[email protected] said:
Question,
I have 2.1 ota My HBoot is 1.46 and s=on
can this be rooted?
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Yes.
[email protected] said:
And why/how do I have Hboot 1.46 with 2.1 I havn't done anything but the OTA
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Your phone has the 1.46 bootloader precisely because it is an "older" phone (in relative terms), and also because it has only seen OTAs in it's operating history - the OTA process for the Eris has never replaced the bootloader. (There have been 3 OTAs now, and none of them replace the bootloader.)
Good luck with the rooting!
bftb0
Thank exactly what I needed to know.
Now off to root (screw up) my phone
Hello XDA,
I want to first say, Thank you all for what you have dome. If it was not for everyone on this forum, I would have never been able to root my Eris. Okay, so now on with the question. I am running KaosFroyo 2.2 WITH HBOOT 1.49 S-ON. now, the PSfreedom wiki says in order for this to work, your Hboot should say PB00100 XC ENG S-OFF. Mine says PB00100 XC ENG S-ON. Can anyone confirm that you HAVE to have S-OFF? I am just wondering if I would still be able to preform, giving the fact I AM rooted. Do I have to change to a different HBOOT version? Also, if I have to change, is there a way I can just change the HBOOT withought re-flashing my KaosFroyo rom? Like, ONLY install a different HBOOT? Thanks in advanced, and keep up the good work!
P.S. Givin the fact that I am new here, It would not let me post an "outside link" to the PSfreedom Wiki, due to possible spam.....
Yes you need s-off and the only way to get it is to re-root (from my understanding)
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Thank you for the reply. That is what I figured. But how would re-rooting it make it any different?
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Everything you will need is contained within this thread. Have a read and enjoy!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=776336
Thank you very much for the help. I followed the guide and now I'm running 1.49.200 S-OFF. Although, did not backup, so it went back to the stock 2.1... So I just re-rooted back to KaosFroyo. Oh well, all is good now! Thank you again!
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I have looked thru the noob guide and the General forum and no luck. I need to send my Bolt in for replacement they sent the new one already but need to send the old one back. Can someone point me the way to the thread please. It was rooted with the 3 step method
thanks alot
As long as you didn't use Revolutionary to root or install the hard patched hboot from Shadowmite's thread (you will know if you did) the directions for rooted users in this thread will get you back
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009423
Just FOLLOW DIRECTIONS EXACTLY and it should be easy as pie.
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What do you do if you used Revolutionary to root your TB?
sreddos said:
What do you do if you used Revolutionary to root your TB?
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You can't switch back to stock if you used Revolutionary. Not yet until they develop a way to do it.
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CanesDrew said:
You can't switch back to stock if you used Revolutionary. Not yet until they develop a way to do it.
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Here is the guild and video to to unrooted
thunderboltforums.com/forum/htc-thundebolt-hacking-guides/5427-rs-guide-how-return-stock-revolutionary-root.html
youtube.com/watch?v=Ug5pEv9y5r0&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Yes you can
CanesDrew said:
You can't switch back to stock if you used Revolutionary. Not yet until they develop a way to do it.
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I have done it 2 times. There is a way. Here is the thread. Follow directions to the T.
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/fo...ow-restore-stock-rooted-non-rooted-users.html
Mig1234 said:
I have done it 2 times. There is a way. Here is the thread. Follow directions to the T.
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/fo...ow-restore-stock-rooted-non-rooted-users.html
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Except if you had read JCASE's thread, you'd know you're not supposed to go back to the MR1 RUU.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1008824
CanesDrew said:
Except if you had read JCASE's thread, you'd know you're not supposed to go back to the MR1 RUU.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1008824
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That is not referring to the MR1 build. It says 1.0xxxx. MR1 is 1.13.605.7. That is the pre-release build that was used for downgrading in the original root process. The problem was that build had an old hboot that wouldn't interrupt the flash before the security warning happens. Which was a serious issue when we only had 2 RUUs newer than that to recover with. Anything from the release firmware (1.12.605.6) and up should be perfectly fine.
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Revvolutionary
JBO1018 said:
As long as you didn't use Revolutionary to root or install the hard patched hboot from Shadowmite's thread (you will know if you did) the directions for rooted users in this thread will get you back
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009423
Just FOLLOW DIRECTIONS EXACTLY and it should be easy as pie.
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This does work for revolutionay too to get s-on. I have done it twice. These developers are amazing. You need to know ADB to do it but it works.
I got the same site at: http://www.thunderboltforums.com/fo...ow-restore-stock-rooted-non-rooted-users.html
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This does work for revolutionay too to get s-on. I have done it twice. These developers are amazing. You need to know ADB to do it but it works.
I got the same site at: http://www.thunderboltforums.com/fo...ow-restore-stock-rooted-non-rooted-users.html
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I know you can get back to s-on from Revolutionary. I was just saying as long as he didn't use Revolutionary the simple method in the thread I linked would work just fine.
Edit: I just realized you linked to the same instructions I did and you can NOT get back to s-on with that method if you used revolutionary. Revolutionary installs a hard patched hboot that prevents it from being overwritten by any hboot without issueing a specific fastboot oem command.
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I know you can get back to s-on from Revolutionary. I was just saying as long as he didn't use Revolutionary the simple method in the thread I linked would work just fine.
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Got ya! All is good!
Mig1234 said:
Got ya! All is good!
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Read my edit in previous post.
You need to follow Scotty85's tutorial in post 22 of this thread to get s-on after Revolutionary Untill they release an s-on tool.
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I know you can get back to s-on from Revolutionary. I was just saying as long as he didn't use Revolutionary the simple method in the thread I linked would work just fine.
Edit: I just realized you linked to the same instructions I did and you can NOT get back to s-on with that method if you used revolutionary. Revolutionary installs a hard patched hboot that prevents it from being overwritten by any hboot without issueing a specific fastboot oem command.
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sorry to hijack this thread. but i have the same problem...i rooted my phone via ADB...what radio/ROM should i install? MR1? any links would be much appreciated.
Soooo, I have been living a relatively blissful existence in the rooted world rocking cyanogenmod 7. For a couple of reasons I decided to try the latest "official" gb leak from HTC... And I've lost root...
So, my question is: what/where am I? My s-key is still off... I originally rooted using the revolutionary method, should I redo the root process?
Thanks in advance!
seamusz said:
Soooo, I have been living a relatively blissful existence in the rooted world rocking cyanogenmod 7. For a couple of reasons I decided to try the latest "official" gb leak from HTC... And I've lost root...
So, my question is: what/where am I? My s-key is still off... I originally rooted using the revolutionary method, should I redo the root process?
Thanks in advance!
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What exactly did you flash?
The latest gingerbread leak for the thunderbolt (from Android Police) is what I flashed.
"[Exclusive Download] Gingerbread Build 2.11.605.3 Full RUU And New Radio For HTC ThunderBolt"
I'd post a link, but I'm not yet allowed.
seamusz said:
The latest gingerbread leak for the thunderbolt (from Android Police) is what I flashed.
"[Exclusive Download] Gingerbread Build 2.11.605.3 Full RUU And New Radio For HTC ThunderBolt"
I'd post a link, but I'm not yet allowed.
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Well, when you flash an RUU (something you really shouldn't do unless you want a bone stock device) you're going to loose root because HTC doesn't root their ROMs.
You should be able to just reflash a new recovery (since the RUU probably wiped it) and superuser and be good. If not, reflash the recovery and try a rooted version of the ROM. And stay away from RUUs... If you'd rooted with ADB you'd be looking at a completely bone stock, S-On device right now.
If you want to try newest leak rooted and running very nicely load my Vigor lookalike or xdabolt in development section both based off 2.11.605.3 mine has a few more tweaks and custom kernel his is more stock if you want that with HTC kernel.
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Since you still have S-off you're still rooted. Download Superuser from the market. And clockworkmod comes with rom manager from the market if im not mistaken.
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Since you still have S-off you're still rooted. Download Superuser from the market. And clockworkmod comes with rom manager from the market if im not mistaken.
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No. S-off is S-off, not root by any stretch of the imagination. Let's not confuse people by mixing terms that aren't interchangeable.
loonatik78 said:
No. S-off is S-off, not root by any stretch of the imagination. Let's not confuse people by mixing terms that aren't interchangeable.
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I was told that when i first rooted my phone that as long as i had S-Off that meant i still had root. Never saw anyone say any differently until just now when you did. I'll check it out. I am far from being a developer I just know what i been told and what I have found out on my own. So if I am wrong then ignore my previous post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838909
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I was told that when i first rooted my phone that as long as i had S-Off that meant i still had root. Never saw anyone say any differently until just now when you did. I'll check it out. I am far from being a developer I just know what i been told and what I have found out on my own. So if I am wrong then ignore my previous post.
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S-off merely allows root permissions to persist beyond reboot. It primarily locks out writing to /data and /system, and without those, root is impossible. The difficulty in rooting a new device is finding a way around the bootloader security to achieve SU access so that exploits can be used to write a new bootloader that won't check for root and will allow writing to /system and /data. Once security is off, gaining SU status is fairly easy. It is entirely possible to have S-off and run a non-rooted ROM. I hope that clears up confusion. If I'm wrong somewhere in this, I hope someone corrects me.
I'm currently stock (hboot 1.5,, software# 2.08.651.2,,prl version 21083). I am about to root as soon as I'm 100% sure of the procedure from start to finish. My question is, should i take any OTA updates before I root?,,,,,,,I'm fully aware of the risk in doing this, coming from the evo4g( really don't want to be stuck stock for months, while everyone else is flashing away),,,,I'm a firm believer of searching, before asking, but if there's a better software version to gain root from, I want to be running it.
I do realize that starting out with this version of software means I'm stuck with hboot 1.5,,just couldn't find any posts referencing later OTA software versions possibly being better or worse to root from
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I do realize that starting out with this version of software means I'm stuck with hboot 1.5,,just couldn't find any posts referencing later OTA software versions possibly being better or worse to root from
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Nope, it matters not what software version you're on. Only hboot, and in you're case, like me, you're screwed either way :'(
I guess I figured as much, thanks,,,I'm a little confused about current root methods for hboot 1.5,,,I see there's fastboot/copynpaste/htc unlock(not too scary),,,install SU,,,something, something can't unlock boot partition(no kernals),,,possibly fastboot install recovery in order to be able to do so. I also read in another thread, there are two ways. The HTC way and a better XDA way, of rooting,,,I'm sold on a better XDA way,,,any suggestions?
The only way to root hboot 1.5 is to use the htcdev unlock.
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I'm currently stock (hboot 1.5,, software# 2.08.651.2,,prl version 21083). I am about to root as soon as I'm 100% sure of the procedure from start to finish. My question is, should i take any OTA updates before I root?,,,,,,,I'm fully aware of the risk in doing this, coming from the evo4g( really don't want to be stuck stock for months, while everyone else is flashing away),,,,I'm a firm believer of searching, before asking, but if there's a better software version to gain root from, I want to be running it.
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Take the OTA (2.17.651.5) then unlock with htc method.
If you unlock now and use cstom recovery, you will have to flash stock recovery in order to update to (2.17.651.5) latest OTA.
And it will also break root i think. so better update first then unlock then root.
I have some updated info put together from several posts that may help you on your tour if hboot 1.50
[Guide] My Hboot 1.50 HTC Unlock/recovery/rom/kernel flashing notes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1495358
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mpgrimm2 said:
I have some updated info put together from several posts that may help you on your tour if hboot 1.50
[Guide] My Hboot 1.50 HTC Unlock/recovery/rom/kernel flashing notes http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1495358
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i think you have copied that link from another post of yours so it will not work as XDA automatically shortens the link with "...." so please replace the "show....php" with "showthread.php" or use http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1495358
Thanks man. I've been trying to figure it out for a while.
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Take the OTA (2.17.651.5) then unlock with htc method.
If you unlock now and use cstom recovery, you will have to flash stock recovery in order to update to (2.17.651.5) latest OTA.
And it will also break root i think. so better update first then unlock then root.
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i tryed that and that didnt work for me. i saw in the command line that it was unlock but the phone never when to the unlock screen. what should i do
Thanks for the info, I read another member saying he had to relock to update then unlock again,,,I took the 2.17.651.5 OTA today and plan to root tonite,,,also thanks for the links!!