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I am getting my 2 32Gb touchpads today. I bought them from officedepot.com the night (yes they were only available, or in stock, for one night) they went on sale. That was back on August 20th. They went on backorder and now they are just hours from arriving.
I have two concerns. I have read on precentral's forums that people have been having cracks near the speakers. I do hope that mine don't ever develop this. Also, there have been stories about faulty batteries that don't even last a few hours before needing a charge.
What can you guys tell me about these issues? I am worried that I'll have to call HP and complain, but I hear that HP is very generous with there support options for this tablet. (Maybe they knew that this tablet had faults all along?)
1) chill out
2) wait for when you actually get the touchpads
3a) if they have problems, contact hp support
3b) if they don't, enjoy touchpads
I have not heard any significant complaints about either of these issues.
By "cracks" I believe people were referring to the crackling sound you get if you override the volume limiter (I recommend you override the volume limiter, by the way, but do not turn the speakers up all the way).
Also, any battery could have manufacturing issues. Batteries are such mature technologies, I would say your chances of getting a defective one are the same as you would have buying any consumer electronics with built in batteries. My experience was that I was shocked at how long my battery lasted. I used Pandora all night long, on wifi, not plugged into the wall, and my battery still got me through the day the next day.
WebOS, however, is a steaming pile.
Here's an update. I opened one of my touchpads today and I'm amazed at these things. I have no cracks so far in the casing and the battery seems normal. I am used to the gtablet where it would stay at 100 % for a while then die off; the touchpad's battery meter slowly ticks down 100, 95, 92.. etc..
And by cracks I mean actual cracks in the side near the speakers. There are LOT's of posts about this on the precentral forums. I won't link to them but you can find them if you want to.
My only real complaint is that there is a problem with the camera apps. I installed two of them, freecam being one, and I get errors after I launch them. I think they can't find the camera or something.
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Here's an update. I opened one of my touchpads today and I'm amazed at these things. I have no cracks so far in the casing and the battery seems normal. I am used to the gtablet where it would stay at 100 % for a while then die off; the touchpad's battery meter slowly ticks down 100, 95, 92.. etc..
And by cracks I mean actual cracks in the side near the speakers. There are LOT's of posts about this on the precentral forums. I won't link to them but you can find them if you want to.
My only real complaint is that there is a problem with the camera apps. I installed two of them, freecam being one, and I get errors after I launch them. I think they can't find the camera or something.
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If the app cannot find the camera, then yes, you might actually have a hardware problem.
Edit: Just install FreeCam and it works fine for me D:
The Ringmaster said:
Here's an update. I opened one of my touchpads today and I'm amazed at these things. I have no cracks so far in the casing and the battery seems normal. I am used to the gtablet where it would stay at 100 % for a while then die off; the touchpad's battery meter slowly ticks down 100, 95, 92.. etc..
And by cracks I mean actual cracks in the side near the speakers. There are LOT's of posts about this on the precentral forums. I won't link to them but you can find them if you want to.
My only real complaint is that there is a problem with the camera apps. I installed two of them, freecam being one, and I get errors after I launch them. I think they can't find the camera or something.
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Try updating to the latest os (3.0.2), hopefully that should get rid of those errors?
brepublican said:
Try updating to the latest os (3.0.2), hopefully that should get rid of those errors?
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Good idea, never read if the OP did/did not update yet.
brepublican said:
Try updating to the latest os (3.0.2), hopefully that should get rid of those errors?
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my touchpads came with 3.0.2 preinstalled.
So I'm very seriously considering getting one, hopefully I can get it for around 150 on CL, but I have some questions. I do plan on installing CM9, and will probably never go to web os.
First question, what is your battery life like? I currently have a nook color on cm7, and that thing can go forever without charging. Clearly, it is unrealistic for me to expect to get better or as good life, but I don't want to have to charge it every 4 hours either. So briefly, what is your battery life during use and idle?
Second, I tried reading through the development forums, and as far as I can tell, the only way to boot cm9 is to use moboot (or cyboot?). Am I incorrect in this assumption, or can webOS be removed completely?
Lastly, knowing what you guys know, is there another tablet that you would prefer for the 150-200 price range? I actually would kind of prefer something around 7", and was considering the acer iconia a100, but the locked bootloader, lack of development, and reported crap battery life is turning me off.
Thanks, everyone!
I actually came from a nook color as well with cm7 on it. I'm so happy with my touch pad. Its the best hardware out there for the money. When I got mine I immediately put cm9 on it and it runs so smooth. Battery life is pretty good but I can't say for sure how well because I'm always on my touch pad but it last me all day at work using it non stop for internet, games, and video.
I only know of motoboot and I'm not sure if you can remove webos completely. But like I said, the specs this thing has is way worth it and just as good as some of the higher priced tablets out there IMO.
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When I was playing a lot of Jelly Defense the TP wouldn't last a day. For just surfing the web and such you'll get plenty of battery life - just don't expect nook battery life (I also came from the Nook which I gave to my wife).
I don't think there is any reason to remove WebOS. Not sure if you can, but not sure why you would want to. If you keep your docs/music in the cloud then even a 16GB TP should have plenty of storage space for you - even with two OSs on it.
I don't know what other tablets are in the $150-$200 range other than refurbs and Coby-style junk. I have been seeing some name brand tablet refurbs coming toward this price range but nothing I would think that is better than the TP right now. The only thing I'd be concerned about is the supposed Google tablet that is going to be in your price range. Not sure if there are any credible specs out there yet.
The best battery life will come from webOS. While running webOS I was able to get over a week of standby, it went from like 90% to like 2% in that time. In android I could easily get a few days of idle, with seeing about on par for my phone battery loss, I want to say in the ~1%/hour range. I can watch probably 5-8 hours of Netflix on a charge, so pulling data over wifi, and processing hardware decoded video with screen on. I don't play games other than casual like draw something.
You cannot remove webOS. This has been discussed since CM7, and I believe the first response was something along the lines of webOS is nice, the devs like it, and there may or may not be parts of it required to run android. Tri-boot was discussed to run CM7, CM9 and webOS, but that never went anywhere. Moboot is the boot menu. You are presented the boot menu at every start up. After a pre-set delay a default will boot. Cyboot is a preware app in webOS to change the default OS and delay. Moboot is the only way to enter CWM. Reboot recovery only works sometimes if at all. And there is no key combos to load into CWM. I set the moboot delay to 1 sec, and don't worry about it. I probably power cycle my TouchPad less than once every two weeks now the ROMs have settled, so that 1second isn't much in the big picture.
For me the 7" size is too small, I use my TP for web browsing 90%+ of my use, so the 3" bigger screen is used a lot, and makes a world of difference to me. Because of my use I also stayed on webOS until CM9. I have a 2.3 phone, and a 10" phone that doesn't make calls didn't appeal to me. webOS has a solid browser, and an intuitive elegant user interface. So I ranked it higher than CM7. CM9 has been great. The browser is good, but tablet optimized apps selection is still poor. Google doesn't seem motivated to change that anytime soon, and you will have the same issue on any android tablet. My TP is a stop gap until W8 tablets are out. Given the price, and other choices in the same price range, I see no reason to get anything other than the TouchPad.
If you do get the TouchPad I recommend getting a TouchStone. That is the Inductive charger. You just place the TP on this easel, and it charges, no wires. It works through cases too. I use the HP official case, I was concerned other cases might not sit on the TouchStone as securely as the official case. It has a microfiber lining in the front that cleans the screen fairly well automatically, and protects the back from fingerprints. And the TP is a fingerprint magnet without a case.
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Awesome summary Quarlow.
I love my touchpad, and with cm9 i couldnt ask for more, i do leave webos on it because there are certain things like skype video calling that i will boot into webos for, but for the most part i never leave android. You will NOT find a better tablet for that price, battery life will depend on how you tweak it. I run mine overclcocked at around1.7ghz all the time and its super fast and battery life is great, if i want to tighten down the specs i can run this badboy 9+ hours without a break.
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So I'm very seriously considering getting one, hopefully I can get it for around 150 on CL, but I have some questions. I do plan on installing CM9, and will probably never go to web os.
First question, what is your battery life like? I currently have a nook color on cm7, and that thing can go forever without charging. Clearly, it is unrealistic for me to expect to get better or as good life, but I don't want to have to charge it every 4 hours either. So briefly, what is your battery life during use and idle?
Second, I tried reading through the development forums, and as far as I can tell, the only way to boot cm9 is to use moboot (or cyboot?). Am I incorrect in this assumption, or can webOS be removed completely?
Lastly, knowing what you guys know, is there another tablet that you would prefer for the 150-200 price range? I actually would kind of prefer something around 7", and was considering the acer iconia a100, but the locked bootloader, lack of development, and reported crap battery life is turning me off.
Thanks, everyone!
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These Q's have all been asked and answered here before, multiple times. The first 2 Q's have been answered, I'm sure of it, in one thread together even.
With the search function, I found this.
Read here.
Or here.
Or here.
Or here.
Or here.
There are more, but I'm getting tired of doing homework for other people. I haven't even had my coffee this morning yet. You can easily find them though too, use the button marked 'Search'.
To your questions, though...
1. Not anywhere NEAR what you can get from your Nook. CM's an Alpha on the TP. WebOS battery life is sensational, though...even on heavy use with wifi on, in webOS, I can go a week. In webOS overnight, when I forgot to turn wifi off, it sometimes doesn't even drop 1%. In Android, it could drop 5-8% if I'm lucky.
2. Correct. No, you're not incorrect. Why would you want to throw away your free insurance and risk bricking your device? Moboot prevents you (or noobs in general) from toasting their TPs. I can't understand why people ask this question before they get their TPs. It's as if you've assumed that webOS is terrible, but it's not. Like I said, battery life is awesome. I've got CM9 on my TP, too, but webOS isn't useless...if anything, it's much[ /B] more stable than Android on this device, better battery, and everything works. Bear in mind, that on CM there is still stuff that just doesn't work! Camera, H/W acceleration (sometimes, it works in some apps).
This question is like asking a car salesman, before you buy a car, if you can take parts out of the motor without knowing about it. Sorry if I sound like a ****, but this question gets old.
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3. No. But I bet google might...but no seriously, the Kindle Fire maybe. :confused
Thank you for the answer, guys. You've convinced me to get the touchpad. I do apologize for repeating questions you guys are sick of. The search function on mobile really really sucks.
One last question, do you guys think that 200 for a used 32gb is a good deal via craiglist? I read the other thread where several users said a fair price was 160 to 170 for a used 16gb.
Yes, $200 for a 32g is a really good price. I had a second TP which I put cm9 on and sold it for $250 on CL....within 15min of posting of it....
I'd try to haggle down from $200, but to be honest it's not bad at all.
I was lucky enough to get one thru the XDA MP for $130 (a 16 gig) and I am VERY pleasantly surprised with this device. I used to have a gTab, let me tell you, this device is a lot better, and it runs Android SO well, just fix the camera and you're good to go!
Battery life for me is awesome, with my CM9 setup I get a full day with moderate use, and I mean where am I going for a week that I can't charge it? I mean seriously who doesn't charge it at night? Like if I was going to be in a cave for a week maybe I'd get a kindle or something...
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I'd try to haggle down from $200, but to be honest it's not bad at all.
I was lucky enough to get one thru the XDA MP for $130 (a 16 gig) and I am VERY pleasantly surprised with this device. I used to have a gTab, let me tell you, this device is a lot better, and it runs Android SO well, just fix the camera and you're good to go!
Battery life for me is awesome, with my CM9 setup I get a full day with moderate use, and I mean where am I going for a week that I can't charge it? I mean seriously who doesn't charge it at night? Like if I was going to be in a cave for a week maybe I'd get a kindle or something...
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That's a really good deal! I ended up with a 16 gig for 160. Kind of unfortunate, because right after I bought it, another guy offered a 32 gig for 180. Oh well, I'm still very happy with my purchase.
Hi!
Well, first the phone is not for myself but I will send it to my mom as her nokia died and I wanted a better phone with a bigger screen.
I almost went with a LG L9 4.5" but the bigger internal memory, faster CPU and better camera features on the Amaze made me change my mind.
So, I was thinking maybe I need to root it to remove anything that slows it down but in reality, mom is not a power user. I will just have her do MMS now so maybe is not worth spending time figuring out a new system (I come from Samsung, Asus Prime, Xperia) for a user that really is not going to notice any lag etc.
I got it with a 5 pin cable which seems NOT to be the right one and charges slow so one thing I am getting is an OEM 12 pin for it unless I am not right about this.
So anything you like to share, I am happy to read about.
Thanks!
shaolin95 said:
Hi!
Well, first the phone is not for myself but I will send it to my mom as her nokia died and I wanted a better phone with a bigger screen.
I almost went with a LG L9 4.5" but the bigger internal memory, faster CPU and better camera features on the Amaze made me change my mind.
So, I was thinking maybe I need to root it to remove anything that slows it down but in reality, mom is not a power user. I will just have her do MMS now so maybe is not worth spending time figuring out a new system (I come from Samsung, Asus Prime, Xperia) for a user that really is not going to notice any lag etc.
I got it with a 5 pin cable which seems NOT to be the right one and charges slow so one thing I am getting is an OEM 12 pin for it unless I am not right about this.
So anything you like to share, I am happy to read about.
Thanks!
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Yes the 12 pin is better, but unless you've got the factory charger, go for a quality higher amperage one like the generic dual purpose type that can be used with a tablet. These beasts draw a lot of current, so much so that when plugged-in and used with a lesser charger, it will still be draining its battery.
Even though it's for your mom I'd still root it and install Titanium Backup. Then I'd remove the T-Mobile and HTC bloat, some of which never worked, or no longer works. Then after removing the cruft, I'd install every available update then integrate them into '/system/app' with TiBu. Finally, I'd unroot and relock it, to avoid the late night service calls she'd give you if she accidentally messed with something she shouldn't have. Then you'll be good to go.
I did this very same procedure when I hooked my mom and stepdad up with smartphones last year. They both were new to these devices. They previously owned moto RAZRs. They live outside of Memphis and I live in Miami. The one thing I feared in getting them Androids vs iPhones were the possible late night tech calls from them. So I did for them exactly what I told you and they've been happy owners ever since.
I hope this helps.
Ciao
That sounds like a good plan.
Any specific charger you recommend or anything listed for HTC tablets etc should do the trick from ebay?
Looks like THIS should work.
shaolin95 said:
That sounds like a good plan.
Any specific charger you recommend or anything listed for HTC tablets etc should do the trick from ebay?
Looks like THIS should work.
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It should work. I bought my amaze off Craig's list after I broke my HD2. I got it relatively cheap ($100), but it had no charger or data cable. I thought no big deal, I'll just use the HD2's. Thats when I discovered how much this juice uses. The HD2 charger just wasn't up to the task. I kept getting warnings about the current draw being too much and the device was unable to charge.
I wanted to resolve that right away. So I went to Best Buy and overpaid for a generic one with the highest amperage output they had. It's rated at 2.4 amps, I think my old one was rated at 0.8. You don't have to worry about too much amperage because of the regulator in the phone. Plus by getting the one I did, I figured I'd be equipped for any type of device I might throw at it in the future. That in combination with the 12 pin cable has worked for me. Now I can do even the most intensive task while plugged in and it never gives me a warning anymore about my device being unable to charge. I hope this helps, good luck!
The charger I got is rated like the original 5v 1Amp but the cable is surely not doing the job. Still I will just get that charger and call it a day.
Thanks amigo!
I want to take advantage of being able to upgrade my DNA at no cost to me, so I need to do that by the end of this year. The company is switching to employee purchase of phones starting next year. I'm on Verizon. Looking for recommendations from those that have switched, or are contemplating a switch soon. I've primarily been looking at the Turbo, LG G3, and One M8. I've been on HTC devices, so am comfortable/familiar with Sense, and currently running a One based ROM on my DNA. I'm also fond of the wireless charging options, but don't know if a lack of it is enough to rule a particular phone out. Being able to root is a plus. Also leaning to a replaceable battery being a plus as well. Wife recently picked up a Note 4. I'll look at it some more, but that seems almost too big.
Is anyone aware of any new devices due out this month? If not, what is your favorite option today and why?
Thanks!
I just got the Note 4 and love it!!
Also came from the DNA and I can tell you, you'll be very pleased with the battery life!!
I was also considering the new Nexus device but since it isn't on VZW yet and I didn't want to wait with my DNA screen shattered I went with the Note 4 and I'm definitely not disappointed.
The Droid Turbo was released not too long ago, and I'm really leaning towards it for my contract upgrade in a couple of weeks. It's still an internal battery unfortunately, but what caught my attention was it having nearly twice the capacity of the DNA. Since I have to charge my DNA halfway through the day, I'd be more than satisfied with the Turbo's battery life. Plus, it has some beefy specs as well. Camera has been reported to have some trouble with delay, but that might be corrected in a software update.
I did a little more reading last night and am starting to lean towards the LG G3. A little smaller than the Note 4 which is a good thing. Replaceable battery, rootable, and with a $10 hack can be changed to Qi wireless charging. I need to go spend some hands on time with it in the store. I've considered the Turbo as well, but with the reported camera issues, and some reporting earpiece volume issues, I just find myself questioning Motorola's product testing if they send these issues out with a hope to fix them later in a software update.
starscream86 said:
I just got the Note 4 and love it!!
Also came from the DNA and I can tell you, you'll be very pleased with the battery life!!
I was also considering the new Nexus device but since it isn't on VZW yet and I didn't want to wait with my DNA screen shattered I went with the Note 4 and I'm definitely not disappointed.
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Hmm, I'm now thinking about the Note 4 as well due to its camera features and the S-pen. So, when you say pleased with the battery life...how pleased are we talking? I guess getting through the day wouldn't be nearly as much a problem as it is sometimes with the DNA?
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Hmm, I'm now thinking about the Note 4 as well due to its camera features and the S-pen. So, when you say pleased with the battery life...how pleased are we talking? I guess getting through the day wouldn't be nearly as much a problem as it is sometimes with the DNA?
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I don't know about you but toward the end of my 2 years on the DNA I'd have to plug my phone in after about 5-6hrs of moderate use or it was flat dead!
So far with the Note 4 I've actually managed 2 full days on one charge a couple times.. Keeping in mind it's a new phone so I'm playing on it a lot!
Also the fast charge is awesome! I have had it go from 50% to a full charge in about 15 minutes on the charger! (that's only using the included "adaptive fast charger" from Samsung)
The S-pen is cool! I felt like it might be one of those things that lost its "cool factor" once I played with it enough but I keep finding new useful reasons pull it out.. Easily screenshoting and cropping an Instagram post using the Screen Write function for example.
Or more obvious things like quickly jotting down a number or reminder. Which are a lot more useful and easy than I had though they would be.
The chances of getting a fully functional ROOT seem far out if it ever happens.. So that's a bit of a downside. But I can say this is the first phone I've had that I wasn't just dying to root. I honestly have very little reason to root it other than getting Lollipop before VZW and Samsung get it on the update manager.
The phone is big! I will say that.. Probably one of the only things I've had issues with is one handed typing. But I'm getting use to it. It can be very difficult stretching that thumb up to reach things with one hand but I guess that's the price we pay for a large screen. Which is a beautiful display by the way... Both cameras rock too! It's packed with fx, filters and neat camera features that are a lot of fun.
Anyway I hope you are happy with whatever you get! I did talk to a guy over the weekend who has LG G3 and he told me he "hates it" although he couldn't really tell me why.. Haha I haven't played with one but they seem pretty comparable
By the way I thought I'd share that when I got home and started typing this my battery was at 56% (after a full day of pretty heavy use) and in the time it's taken me to type this up (on the phone via tapatalk) while plugged into the fast charger I'm up to 72%
Just thought I'd share an update, in case the op might be still deciding.
I opted for the Note 4. Got it in the mail yesterday, and so far I'm very impressed! It's not as hard to handle as I thought it'd be due to its size. I have yet to give the battery a good test, gotta break it in and actually do a near full run-down, since I had it plugged in most of the day yesterday. But this display is absolutely gorgeous! Don't think I'll be using the s-pen much, but who knows, maybe I'll find more use for it further down the road. I also enjoy using the finger print scanner; I find it quicker to unlock. At times it's frustrating that it doesn't work, but that's because I'm not being precise enough.
Thought I'd share my first impressions. Thanks for the input starscream!
Guess I should've come back to update this. I wound up getting the LG G3 a week ago. Already rooted and installed Skydragon ROM and love it. I also purchased the sticker for the battery door that changes it from NFC only to NFC plus wireless charging. Battery life has been great, and I like the knock knock option for turning on the screen. Transition from my DNA to the G3 has been easy.
Appreciate the suggestions and feedback from everyone!
My one year old V10 has developed issues with the charging port. Won't fast-charge, won't connect to PC, but will slow charge. I've ruled out cables, charging bricks, and the battery itself as the issue as they were all fine the day before. I can deal with the loss of fast-charging on the phone by charging my spare OEM LG batteries in my LG charging cradle. The big problem that it has also started having the problem of rapid battery discharging. About 3-4 times faster than the day before the issue started. Was getting nearly a full day of use from fully charged battery, now just 4-5 hours. Checked battery usage stats and found nothing new or unusual. Has to be hardware related. Really don't want to toss out and replace the phone yet. Is there anything I can try to fix issue?
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My one year old V10 has developed issues with the charging port. Won't fast-charge, won't connect to PC, but will slow charge. I've ruled out cables, charging bricks, and the battery itself as the issue as they were all fine the day before. I can deal with the loss of fast-charging on the phone by charging my spare OEM LG batteries in my LG charging cradle. The big problem that it has also started having the problem of rapid battery discharging. About 3-4 times faster than the day before the issue started. Was getting nearly a full day of use from fully charged battery, now just 4-5 hours. Checked battery usage stats and found nothing new or unusual. Has to be hardware related. Really don't want to toss out and replace the phone yet. Is there anything I can try to fix issue?
EDIT: One more issue to add to above - Battery draining to 0% while phone is completely POWERED OFF!
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Well, with the info from your other post it sounds like a hardware issue. The V10 has a 1 year warranty. How precise are you when you say one year?
Heck, we don't condone fraud, but if if it's something they can deby and say that it's the battery, brick your phone and request a replacement. Just make sure you're still under warranty.
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Well, with the info from your other post it sounds like a hardware issue. The V10 has a 1 year warranty. How precise are you when you say one year?
Heck, we don't condone fraud, but if if it's something they can deby and say that it's the battery, brick your phone and request a replacement. Just make sure you're still under warranty.
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Unfortunately, about a month out of warranty. That's why I'm looking for a DIY solution. Very disappointing that I should have this issue on an expensive flagship phone from a major manufacturer.
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Unfortunately, about a month out of warranty. That's why I'm looking for a DIY solution. Very disappointing that I should have this issue on an expensive flagship phone from a major manufacturer.
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Yikes. Yea, we also shouldn't have to deal with a boot loader that doesn't respond to half the commands.
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Yikes. Yea, we also shouldn't have to deal with a boot loader that doesn't respond to half the commands.
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Even more so disappointing since there is so much to like about this phone. I came to the V10 from a Galaxy S5 which was just the absolute champion of rugged durability and awesome hardware specs of it's day. Until now the V10 has impressed in every way I need as a stalwart daily driver, from the best camera in the business to the fantastic screen, killer audio, and one of the last flagships to sport a removable battery.
The hardware business has always been brutal for these manufacturers to turn a profit, but I think maybe what we are seeing now is a lot of cost-cutting, corner-cutting moves by the OEMs to save a few pennies at the expense of durability. I mean, I have 10 year old flip phones in a box in the garage that still power on and work for god sakes!!!
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Even more so disappointing since there is so much to like about this phone. I came to the V10 from a Galaxy S5 which was just the absolute champion of rugged durability and awesome hardware specs of it's day. Until now the V10 has impressed in every way I need as a stalwart daily driver, from the best camera in the business to the fantastic screen, killer audio, and one of the last flagships to sport a removable battery.
The hardware business has always been brutal for these manufacturers to turn a profit, but I think maybe what we are seeing now is a lot of cost-cutting, corner-cutting moves by the OEMs to save a few pennies at the expense of durability. I mean, I have 10 year old flip phones in a box in the garage that still power on and work for god sakes!!!
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I know the feeling. I have had two nexus phones, both had such a disgustingly poor camers, and with the lack of ability to add an sd card, I switched to something that would be rugged, and have some great features. My first phone was the LG G2x. Another ground-breaking flagship. It was the first dual-core phone. Unfortunately the engineering was such that the developers couldn't get a fully functioning LP ROM. To make weird engineering worse, they had partnered with Nvidia to make it and uses a closed-source software component. They never released the source, of course, and there was a lot of finger pointing at that being most of the issue.
Tmobile replaced mine after my 1yr because of my FPS wasnt working. I just flashed a stock .kdz and locked my bootloader before hand.