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Well ive finally done it ive had my mogul for almost 1year and i had an apache for like 2months (we got last ones before they got replaced with moguls at the sprint store) then we switched to the mogul my sisters are envious of the apps i have on my phone but i dont have alot. Im looking for all the must have apps for an 11 year old so just throw some in there that you really really like! Excuse my geek abbrivations xD
And yes ive searched around.
You might want to try the regular mogul forum. This forum is dedicated to upgrading the mogul's ROM.
why in the world would an 11-year-old have a cell phone at all - let alone something like a mogul?
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why in the world would an 11-year-old have a cell phone at all - let alone something like a mogul?
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Yeah, that's something that I would never want activated on a network..
A PDA? Great, letting a kid play is best for development.. Many of us here started quite young. My first comp was an Atari 400 at the age of 9. But a data capable cell phone? With the first HST modems I remember all the trouble that I got into..... To a long term investigation leading to the RCMP hauling me out of class and parents called in from their work. The advantages of being a minor but a later demonstration of CSIS' incompetence in passing me for a security check. I do miss my youth....
I had my first phone when i was in 3rd grade but it was an old direct connect that got surpassed by the i580 from nextel and in 5th grade i got samsung then i got the apache cause my dad got 5 and got them for like 200 each cause we got 5 then when he realized they went out of sale at sprint and got surpassed by the mogul he got them all switched. And the only one in my family that actually can WORK ELECTRONICS. As most ppl would say plz keep on topic.
chococrazy said:
I had my first phone when i was in 3rd grade but it was an old direct connect that got surpassed by the i580 from nextel and in 5th grade i got samsung then i got the apache cause my dad got 5 and got them for like 200 each cause we got 5 then when he realized they went out of sale at sprint and got surpassed by the mogul he got them all switched. And the only one in my family that actually can WORK ELECTRONICS. As most ppl would say plz keep on topic.
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Lucky you. I didn't get my first cell phone until I was 17 (had to work for it -_-).
Anyways I would recommend you get a GPS anti-theft program because you never know when other kids steal your phone or if you dropped it or if you forgot it somewhere. You could always pull up the location of the phone. But watch out, your parents could also use it to keep tabs on you
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Lucky you. I didn't get my first cell phone until I was 17 (had to work for it -_-).
Anyways I would recommend you get a GPS anti-theft program because you never know when other kids steal your phone or if you dropped it or if you forgot it somewhere. You could always pull up the location of the phone. But watch out, your parents could also use it to keep tabs on you
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Any in mind?
N715DP said:
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A phone: It depends on the person and what you do. A mogul: maybe not, but then if there's a few in the family.... It's also a nice internet device with Opera and Skyfire (though I can't get the beta yet...)
But people are getting technology younger and younger. Also these 2 year contracts and timing of the year effect how old you get your phone. I was 13 when I got mine for christmas and now I'm 15 and I got the voyager, but I had it switched for an XV6800 (which ended up being cheaper). Now I can't go back to a 'dumb-phone' Though I'm still hoping for an iPhone in a couple years can't imagine what it will be like then!
So as far as apps go: I use my phone for productivity and what not and I like customizing my phone. So for me there's Total Commander and I use the HTC Home plugin. Also I like the touch-esque comm manager and dial pad.
Also if you've got the latest sprint updates you can try something like Navizon which uses the GPS to map WiFi and cell towers. It sounds like a lot, but every 10,000 points you get $15 in cash. Currently, Navizon won't let Mogul and Titan variants map cell towers because of a system bug. So earning point may take a bit longer, but with the wireless age there's so many WiFi spots. I you use it could you click the link in my sig.
Also check some stuff out at http://www.freewarepocketpc.net
Hey-
I see that everyone decided to use your thread to criticize you for having a phone instead of just answering you question. Kinda lame.
Anyway, here is what I have:
-WM 6.1 for the threaded SMS
-S2U2 for full screen picture caller ID
-SPB mobile shell with Robodad's skin- makes the phone a lot easier to use. I like flashy and simple and mobile shell does both
-Google Maps and Live Search - Great when your out and need to fins a store or something nearby and finding cheap gas (dont think this really applies to you)
-Emerstec Jbed and Opera Mini - Great web browser
-Sprint Navigation - Good turn by turn directions for your gps. It is free with alot of sprint plans
- Sprint TV - This is really cool. It is currently working on the Mogul so enjoy while you can.
-WMWifiRouter - so that I can get internet on my laptop while I am out.
-Core player with Youtube bundle - so I can watch youtube videos
-Oxios Hibernate - Run it if your phone is being SLOW
-Advance configuration and nueLED - Just to tweak certain settings to my liking.
Hope this helps man. Let us know if you have any other questions. That is the point of this forum.
ok so we all know that the htc leo has alot of cool features you can use on it and alot of its qaulity is unique. but unfortunatly it has lots of problems too. i so far has gotten 4 brand new htc hd2's and they all have bugs and problems within them like restarting by itself many times and freezes. tell me what u think?
I love the phone. But I also have very few freezes and have never had the phone reset itself.
I've never had a defective phone. I think a lot of it is things we do to them.
nrfitchett4 said:
I love the phone. But I also have very few freezes and have never had the phone reset itself.
I've never had a defective phone. I think a lot of it is things we do to them.
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Same here. The only time I get lockups or slow-downs are after I install certain apps.
Same here..............
Had mine since November and the only problems have been ones that Ive caused through too much tweaking.....
And a problem with T Mobiles original stock rom but that was T Mobiles fault not the HD2.......
LiL xSOULJAx said:
ok so we all know that the htc leo has alot of cool features you can use on it and alot of its qaulity is unique. but unfortunatly it has lots of problems too. i so far has gotten 4 brand new htc hd2's and they all have bugs and problems within them like restarting by itself many times and freezes. tell me what u think?
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The HD2 is a wonderful machine that gives you best performance and wonderful features.
Especially when u compares it to competitive products or the price paid.
I have HD2 , T-8585, since January and never had any freeze or self restart.
All problems I had never cased from the HD2 itself. They cased from installing soft wares which sometimes do not work properly with other soft wares. That was easily recovered with the assistance of nice guys here.
Some problems occurred from defective accessories such as croppy cheap usb-micro cable.
The HD2 is wonderful machine that can be easily converted and modified according to your needs and imagination.
Thanks for the great answers ! I think its just the T-Mobile Rom thats a complete piece of crap. Because I didnt even add anything or tweaked the first 2 phones i got and they still caused many problems within the first day no B/S. Another quick question dough, how much would it cost to buy and repair an htc hd2 LCD screen, because one of my phones screen cracked. Its not the glass outer part that broke but the inner screen.
I am agree with you all, it's a great phone fast-big screen-cool design, but....
It's worth to pay 450 euro for this phone now (AUG)?? I mean I can wait for the next generation (mabe hd3/NOV or DECEMBER) thaat will have more features like an S-AMOLED and mabe a hdmi cable, and all of that with +50 euro.
Do you know anything about new HTC phones that will be released and when, and it is worth to wait more??? Thank you!
I believe the hd2 is one of the best devices on the market. It's fast, it has wonderful features, and now it is capable of running more then one os. Even the stock winmo isn't bad if yu change the rom and don't care about downloading apps. I believe for tmo usa, the hd2 is hands down the best phone they have, other then the n1. And yes better then the samsung vibrant, which is supposed to b upgrade but doesn't even have a camera flash.my experience with samsung phones has been horrible. I don't even think froyo has been released for it. Even tho it's ported, I've been running froyo on my hd2 since late july. As for up coming phones, google htc vision aka g1 blaze. 1GHz processor, medium sized screen, slide out keyboard and android. Basically the first legit replacement for the original g1. Much better then that mediocre mytouch slide 3g. The choice is yours.personally I love my hd2, but yu might just want to wait alittle while longer.
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Btw the htc vision should b coming out before the years end. Also there is a rumored hd3 coming soon that is supposed to run wimo7. Decision, decisions lol best thing about the hd2, runs winmo 6.xx, runs linux, runs android, and most likely will run winmo7(I'm sure someone will figure out how to port it) what other phone can do that! Lol decisions decisions
*that was Sent from my HTC hd2 using XDA app*
i think its a Great phone, i love everything about it slim design customisation element big screen but unfortunately it does have its flaws eg battery life occasional freezing to name a few plus no further windows upgrade officially it looks like a dying breed imo but without the chefs on here this handset will be resurrected with android port coming through and presumably windows 7 the futures look good
I do love the phone alot and i do think its the best phone on the market but im just highly upset with its problems. My bad luck i guess hehe . I have another question dough.
What does the red or yellow dots on the back of the phone next to the battery on the lower left mean? I got a 3 phones with red dots but 1 with a yellos dot.
LiL xSOULJAx said:
I do love the phone alot and i do think its the best phone on the market but im just highly upset with its problems. My bad luck i guess hehe . I have another question dough.
What does the red or yellow dots on the back of the phone next to the battery on the lower left mean? I got a 3 phones with red dots but 1 with a yellos dot.
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all that is a reset button. First it was red, then on the newer batch, it was changed to yellow.
For me, its the best windows phone I have ever used. Although if I was thinking of buying a new phone at this stage of the year, I think I would wait till around Oct-Nov or at least i'll wai for the first release of W7 and see if it is worth the wait. But the HD2's built I think is almost perfect(virtual keys at the bottom would have made it perfect for me).
Well dasz really true ! Thanksz for all da help guysz .. Ima jusz try to find the best rom out there . I wuld like sum help on dat too if u dont mind hehe This site is very supportive and useful !! Big thumbs up
Coming from a google phone for the past 2 years and then going back to Windows I was amazed how easy it was to deal with the phone.
The issues are the same as the others freezing, lag, etc. I think its the stock ROM itself, but I wonder? Sometimes it acts like my old dash and when you have to close the tasks and use a program to clear up ram space, it annoys me.
I don't like the windows market place, in google certain programs are free, but in windows you have to pay to use features? F-that.
I awating till they perfect a andriod rom to be put in the HD2 with no issues.
The good points of the phone is that it syncs to my outlook with ease..
FenderGuy said:
Coming from a google phone for the past 2 years and then going back to Windows I was amazed how easy it was to deal with the phone.
The issues are the same as the others freezing, lag, etc. I think its the stock ROM itself, but I wonder? Sometimes it acts like my old dash and when you have to close the tasks and use a program to clear up ram space, it annoys me.
I don't like the windows market place, in google certain programs are free, but in windows you have to pay to use features? F-that.
I awating till they perfect a andriod rom to be put in the HD2 with no issues.
The good points of the phone is that it syncs to my outlook with ease..
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So does this mean that no matter what rom i put into the phone, it will always be lagging and freezing as it normally would?
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So does this mean that no matter what rom i put into the phone, it will always be lagging and freezing as it normally would?
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I wouldnt say that since most of the roms here seem to make it run better, but Windows mobile is crap compared to Linux.
The HD2 has the same features as my Andriod phone Google maps, You Tube, Google Browser, yet run like crap on the windows mobile phone. GPS take forever to lock on and the maps just has a differnet feel to it..Youtube runs differnet and the browser is crap
Does this phone really have a 1 ghz processor? It feels like my a phone is on 450ghz at times, again maybe window mobile requires too much?
I'm going to flash a rom on the phone since I am tired of the battery drain which is annoying
I have a Nexus One that I am in the process of selling since I like the Hd2 alot more.
The Hd2 does everything I could ever ask of a smartphone and more:
- Free turn by turn GPS directions
- Emulator gaming
- Word/Excel documents
- Bluetooth keyboard support (Android cant do this at all)
- Voice recorder
- Gorgeous 4.3' monster screen
- Tethering
I haven't had any problems with my Hd2 whatsoever. If anything Android gave me more problems than Windows Mobile. The only reason you hear about Android more is it's newer and the media want's to push it as hard as they do with Apple stuff for ratings...
I'm bored with my HD2. Because its working perfectly. I guess I need a new phone with lots of problems
I love the phone. It's design is great, the screen is amazing and the hardware is beefy. What really makes the phone though is the community and chefs here at XDA. I lose count of the amount of times I have reflashed my phone. With different ROMS, experimenting and messing around. It's a great device if you like doing that. It makes you pity the iSheep followers, really..
However, my main 2 drawbacks are this: 1) The battery life is poor.. although that is understandable with the screen and hardware it's got to supply. 2) the fact that HTC have confirmed that they will not be supporting/supplying WinMo 7 for the device. However, I hold out hope that will not be a problem for the clever guys here at XDA .
I just came back from Warped Tour and I'm checking out the videos I recorded...these videos are actually legit. The quality looks damn good and the sound is ****in sick. I hate myself for the way I was holding my phone though because I can tell when I was cupping it wrong but other than that, it sounds damn good (and I'm super picky when it comes to audio).
On top of that...phone was unplugged since 8 AM...right now I'm at home with 8%...I'm shocked. Running all stock...no root. Good job HTC.
Wooo Dallas!
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Wooo Dallas!
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Haha hell yeah!
This phone is actually, gradually pissing me off each day.. Great to hear your liking it. It does take great photos.
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Another stock user.
This is finally a phone that I have no problem running stock. I have gotten used to the 3 dot menu bar, which will be fixed in an update soon anyway. Everything is just great. Using the OG Evo stock on Froyo was a terrible experience because the battery life was horrendous. The Evo 3D was laggy and also had poor battery life. But this phone... this phone is smooth and lasts long. Everything about it is just... good.
Until a JB ROM is available, I probably won't root.
Problems with stock:
* google wallet doesn't work
* tapping an address in a web page almost never brings up the maps app like it always does on og evo, instead it brings up the web google maps which is slow and battery killer
* phone numbers and addresses are generally less often automatically recognized than they were on the og evo. I often have to manually copy, home, open other app, paste
* the browser search/address bar doesn't clear itself when you want to enter something new. You have to backspace through a zillion character long url and query string, or long-press until the edit panel comes up, choose select-all, then choose cut, THEN you can finally type in you're web site or search term. Or you can set your home page to google and keep going menu->home. This was somehow never a problem on the og evo.
* multiple actions popup menu on a detected structure disabled thanks to Apple. If you tap on a phone number, you don't get a useful "dial, add to contacts, share, copy, etc" menu. Instead it just dials.
* menu button. Saying it will be fixed is meaningless. So many things were never fixed for the entire lives of so many phones and other devices. My $2000 Sony Vaio P still has no workable video driver, not even for windows let alone linux, and the thing is completely obsolete by now. Htc could fix the menu button ONLY by faking a hardware menu button which they may not even be able to do because Google probably has to vet the os and they won't ok that as it's opposite of ics policy. App developers are supposed to update their apps. Htc can't update everyone elses apps. So the menu button is here to stay.
* multitasking. Apps restart instead of resuming, web pages load and render from scratch just because you had to switch to some other app for a second. This _could_ be taken as a normal compromise for a tiny handheld computer, except we've all already owned phones, even old ones from years ago with much less ram and much less cpu that did a lot better. Even iphones are better. Og evo was better. Palm Pre was better. Palm Treo was better!
* you have a dual-core cpu, but you're only using one core. No performance or on-demand option, no option to use both cores when plugged in (better car/navigation, faster syncing or backups while docked, etc)
And of course there are the hardware / firmware problems that doesn't matter if you're stock or not:
* wifi hand-off bug
* cell radio low signal and inconsistent signal
* no extra capacity battery possible since no removable battery or replaceable battery cover. I have to carry around a mophie juice pack and a usb cable! Sooo elegant and portable!
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KEYofR said:
Problems with stock:
* google wallet doesn't work
* tapping an address in a web page almost never brings up the maps app like it always does on og evo, instead it brings up the web google maps which is slow and battery killer
* phone numbers and addresses are generally less often automatically recognized than they were on the og evo. I often have to manually copy, home, open other app, paste
* the browser search/address bar doesn't clear itself when you want to enter something new. You have to backspace through a zillion character long url and query string, or long-press until the edit panel comes up, choose select-all, then choose cut, THEN you can finally type in you're web site or search term. Or you can set your home page to google and keep going menu->home. This was somehow never a problem on the og evo.
* multiple actions popup menu on a detected structure disabled thanks to Apple. If you tap on a phone number, you don't get a useful "dial, add to contacts, share, copy, etc" menu. Instead it just dials.
* menu button. Saying it will be fixed is meaningless. So many things were never fixed for the entire lives of so many phones and other devices. My $2000 Sony Vaio P still has no workable video driver, not even for windows let alone linux, and the thing is completely obsolete by now. Htc could fix the menu button ONLY by faking a hardware menu button which they may not even be able to do because Google probably has to vet the os and they won't ok that as it's opposite of ics policy. App developers are supposed to update their apps. Htc can't update everyone elses apps. So the menu button is here to stay.
* multitasking. Apps restart instead of resuming, web pages load and render from scratch just because you had to switch to some other app for a second. This _could_ be taken as a normal compromise for a tiny handheld computer, except we've all already owned phones, even old ones from years ago with much less ram and much less cpu that did a lot better. Even iphones are better. Og evo was better. Palm Pre was better. Palm Treo was better!
* you have a dual-core cpu, but you're only using one core. No performance or on-demand option, no option to use both cores when plugged in (better car/navigation, faster syncing or backups while docked, etc)
And of course there are the hardware / firmware problems that doesn't matter if you're stock or not:
* wifi hand-off bug
* cell radio low signal and inconsistent signal
* no extra capacity battery possible since no removable battery or replaceable battery cover. I have to carry around a mophie juice pack and a usb cable! Sooo elegant and portable!
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This is one of those posts where I'm confused...I don't actually know what you're trying to gain from it...Do you want me to root? I'll root when I'm good and ready...right now I'm enjoying this phone and my stock experience. Just came back from an iPhone and I'm just happy to be back with Android. I have no desire to root because there's nothing wrong with stock. The problems you pointed out aren't even really problems...and if small things like the ones you mentioned are enough to tip you over...then idk how you'll ever be happy. Just enjoy the phone
ms79723 said:
Do you want me to root? I'll root when I'm good and ready...right now I'm enjoying this
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Spoken like a true virgin.
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BrianBaker said:
This phone is actually, gradually pissing me off each day.. Great to hear your liking it. It does take great photos.
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Why is that? I remember you were loving it when you first got it
KEYofR said:
Problems with stock:
* google wallet doesn't work
* tapping an address in a web page almost never brings up the maps app like it always does on og evo, instead it brings up the web google maps which is slow and battery killer
* phone numbers and addresses are generally less often automatically recognized than they were on the og evo. I often have to manually copy, home, open other app, paste
* the browser search/address bar doesn't clear itself when you want to enter something new. You have to backspace through a zillion character long url and query string, or long-press until the edit panel comes up, choose select-all, then choose cut, THEN you can finally type in you're web site or search term. Or you can set your home page to google and keep going menu->home. This was somehow never a problem on the og evo.
* multiple actions popup menu on a detected structure disabled thanks to Apple. If you tap on a phone number, you don't get a useful "dial, add to contacts, share, copy, etc" menu. Instead it just dials.
* menu button. Saying it will be fixed is meaningless. So many things were never fixed for the entire lives of so many phones and other devices. My $2000 Sony Vaio P still has no workable video driver, not even for windows let alone linux, and the thing is completely obsolete by now. Htc could fix the menu button ONLY by faking a hardware menu button which they may not even be able to do because Google probably has to vet the os and they won't ok that as it's opposite of ics policy. App developers are supposed to update their apps. Htc can't update everyone elses apps. So the menu button is here to stay.
* multitasking. Apps restart instead of resuming, web pages load and render from scratch just because you had to switch to some other app for a second. This _could_ be taken as a normal compromise for a tiny handheld computer, except we've all already owned phones, even old ones from years ago with much less ram and much less cpu that did a lot better. Even iphones are better. Og evo was better. Palm Pre was better. Palm Treo was better!
* you have a dual-core cpu, but you're only using one core. No performance or on-demand option, no option to use both cores when plugged in (better car/navigation, faster syncing or backups while docked, etc)
And of course there are the hardware / firmware problems that doesn't matter if you're stock or not:
* wifi hand-off bug
* cell radio low signal and inconsistent signal
* no extra capacity battery possible since no removable battery or replaceable battery cover. I have to carry around a mophie juice pack and a usb cable! Sooo elegant and portable!
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About half of those issues are still there after you root ..but I still love her for some reason..Although I am starting to wanna use aosp more and more everyday.and I used to be a sense guy all the way..I just feel that stock has become more elegant than it used to be and sense is starting to remove essential functionality from android ie multitasking that should be no issue on a phone of this caliber..and I wish sense was as smooth as tw..but tw is an ugly stepsister to sense
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Why is that? I remember you were loving it when you first got it
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nothing that wont be fixed with development.
My main reason for not enjoying this phone is that any time I play a game or watch you tube for a while Sense has to reload a lot when going back to the home screen.
Also after installing or updating apps the phone tends to get really bogged down for 15-20 seconds..Im just coming to the realization that Sense(although slimmed down) is still a fat ***** that causes more bad then good.
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Spoken like a true virgin.
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yessir!
BrianBaker said:
nothing that wont be fixed with development.
My main reason for not enjoying this phone is that any time I play a game or watch you tube for a while Sense has to reload a lot when going back to the home screen.
Also after installing or updating apps the phone tends to get really bogged down for 15-20 seconds..Im just coming to the realization that Sense(although slimmed down) is still a fat ***** that causes more bad then good.
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I'm slowly realizing the same thing about Sense too...it really is trying to mess up the experience for me but there are just too many good things about this phone...
ms79723 said:
This is one of those posts where I'm confused...I don't actually know what you're trying to gain from it...Do you want me to root? I'll root when I'm good and ready...right now I'm enjoying this phone and my stock experience. Just came back from an iPhone and I'm just happy to be back with Android. I have no desire to root because there's nothing wrong with stock. The problems you pointed out aren't even really problems...and if small things like the ones you mentioned are enough to tip you over...then idk how you'll ever be happy. Just enjoy the phone
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Bro- THANK YOU. I've been meaning to put something to that effect for two.weeks but hammered home(far more succinctly and lucid than I would) every issue I have . Of all of those I think the rerendering when you come off an app then return to it-however brief it just shouldn't happen at this point. Nice post, and , being a solutions oriented gentleman a la woody Paige, I just hope these issues get addressed promptly in our very productive community.
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KEYofR said:
Problems with stock:
* google wallet doesn't work
* tapping an address in a web page almost never brings up the maps app like it always does on og evo, instead it brings up the web google maps which is slow and battery killer
* phone numbers and addresses are generally less often automatically recognized than they were on the og evo. I often have to manually copy, home, open other app, paste
* the browser search/address bar doesn't clear itself when you want to enter something new. You have to backspace through a zillion character long url and query string, or long-press until the edit panel comes up, choose select-all, then choose cut, THEN you can finally type in you're web site or search term. Or you can set your home page to google and keep going menu->home. This was somehow never a problem on the og evo.
* multiple actions popup menu on a detected structure disabled thanks to Apple. If you tap on a phone number, you don't get a useful "dial, add to contacts, share, copy, etc" menu. Instead it just dials.
* menu button. Saying it will be fixed is meaningless. So many things were never fixed for the entire lives of so many phones and other devices. My $2000 Sony Vaio P still has no workable video driver, not even for windows let alone linux, and the thing is completely obsolete by now. Htc could fix the menu button ONLY by faking a hardware menu button which they may not even be able to do because Google probably has to vet the os and they won't ok that as it's opposite of ics policy. App developers are supposed to update their apps. Htc can't update everyone elses apps. So the menu button is here to stay.
* multitasking. Apps restart instead of resuming, web pages load and render from scratch just because you had to switch to some other app for a second. This _could_ be taken as a normal compromise for a tiny handheld computer, except we've all already owned phones, even old ones from years ago with much less ram and much less cpu that did a lot better. Even iphones are better. Og evo was better. Palm Pre was better. Palm Treo was better!
* you have a dual-core cpu, but you're only using one core. No performance or on-demand option, no option to use both cores when plugged in (better car/navigation, faster syncing or backups while docked, etc)
And of course there are the hardware / firmware problems that doesn't matter if you're stock or not:
* wifi hand-off bug
* cell radio low signal and inconsistent signal
* no extra capacity battery possible since no removable battery or replaceable battery cover. I have to carry around a mophie juice pack and a usb cable! Sooo elegant and portable!
Sent from my htc_jewel using xda premium
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Bro- THANK YOU. I've been meaning to put something to that effect for two.weeks but hammered home(far more succinctly and lucid than I would) every issue I have . Of all of those I think the rerendering when you come off an app then return to it-however brief it just shouldn't happen at this point. Nice post, and , being a solutions oriented gentleman a la woody Paige, I just hope these issues get addressed promptly in our very productive community.
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KEYofR said:
Problems with stock:
* google wallet doesn't work
* tapping an address in a web page almost never brings up the maps app like it always does on og evo, instead it brings up the web google maps which is slow and battery killer
* phone numbers and addresses are generally less often automatically recognized than they were on the og evo. I often have to manually copy, home, open other app, paste
* the browser search/address bar doesn't clear itself when you want to enter something new. You have to backspace through a zillion character long url and query string, or long-press until the edit panel comes up, choose select-all, then choose cut, THEN you can finally type in you're web site or search term. Or you can set your home page to google and keep going menu->home. This was somehow never a problem on the og evo.
* multiple actions popup menu on a detected structure disabled thanks to Apple. If you tap on a phone number, you don't get a useful "dial, add to contacts, share, copy, etc" menu. Instead it just dials.
* menu button. Saying it will be fixed is meaningless. So many things were never fixed for the entire lives of so many phones and other devices. My $2000 Sony Vaio P still has no workable video driver, not even for windows let alone linux, and the thing is completely obsolete by now. Htc could fix the menu button ONLY by faking a hardware menu button which they may not even be able to do because Google probably has to vet the os and they won't ok that as it's opposite of ics policy. App developers are supposed to update their apps. Htc can't update everyone elses apps. So the menu button is here to stay.
* multitasking. Apps restart instead of resuming, web pages load and render from scratch just because you had to switch to some other app for a second. This _could_ be taken as a normal compromise for a tiny handheld computer, except we've all already owned phones, even old ones from years ago with much less ram and much less cpu that did a lot better. Even iphones are better. Og evo was better. Palm Pre was better. Palm Treo was better!
* you have a dual-core cpu, but you're only using one core. No performance or on-demand option, no option to use both cores when plugged in (better car/navigation, faster syncing or backups while docked, etc)
And of course there are the hardware / firmware problems that doesn't matter if you're stock or not:
* wifi hand-off bug
* cell radio low signal and inconsistent signal
* no extra capacity battery possible since no removable battery or replaceable battery cover. I have to carry around a mophie juice pack and a usb cable! Sooo elegant and portable!
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And guess what? Almost none of those things apply to me because I don't use them. Menu button has already been fixed on the One X, so it will be fixed here. And so on.
I like that this is the first HTC phone that doesn't need SBC kernels
NewZJ said:
I like that this is the first HTC phone that doesn't need SBC kernels
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Hahaha yup! Glad to see you on here man
ms79723 said:
This is one of those posts where I'm confused...I don't actually know what you're trying to gain from it...Do you want me to root? I'll root when I'm good and ready...right now I'm enjoying this phone and my stock experience. Just came back from an iPhone and I'm just happy to be back with Android. I have no desire to root because there's nothing wrong with stock. The problems you pointed out aren't even really problems...and if small things like the ones you mentioned are enough to tip you over...then idk how you'll ever be happy. Just enjoy the phone
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I'm not trying to gain anything, or rather, what were you trying to "gain" from your original post?
I don't care what you do or don't do.
You basically said "everything is fine" and pointed out a few reasons why you think so. And I said "no it's not" and pointed out a few reasons why I don't think so. It's called discussion.
I agree the phone is more or less functional and usable out of the box. So what? If that is good enough for you then I submit you have low standards and are possibly bad at math because you can get that for a lot cheaper than this phone with a much better actual phone since even the cheapest dumbphone has a pretty good working cell radio, you know, being it's primary reason for existing and all.
I have the capacity to be laid back and not sweat things I can't change just as you seem to. That's a great virtue to have. Congratulations. But I personally paid full out of pocket price for a lot more than the basics. Of course I know early adopters suffer the shakedown period. That in no way excuses HTC, because, this thing was not sold to us as a beta test unit. It was sold as a product. They are obligated to deliver that product.
Saying everything is great, when it's not, doesn't help anyone. It doesn't get problems fixed, it doesn't let HTC and Sprint know they are failing to deliver and pissing off customers.
As for being laid back, well hell why do you assume I'm not? This is just a web forum post man not some major part of my life. I'm on vacation in Key West if you must know, idly killing time playing with my phone because that's what Key West is about, just chilling and hanging out by the pool. or the beach. or Willie T's on Duval st. My girl is in the pool chatting with the other guests in the pool and none of us has a lick of clothes on. You see it's possible to recognize something needs a lot of improvement, and care about it, _even_ while at the same time recognizing it's place in the grand scheme.
Caring about things in general has an important, a very important place in the grand scheme. At the moment it's this phone. But it's not that this phone litterally itself is so important.
Enjoy your phone if you do.
But if you ask why everyone seems to have complaints, there are reasons. Beleive it or not, it's not just because everyone is just that ridiculously anal.
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I'm not trying to gain anything, or rather, what were you trying to "gain" from your original post?
I don't care what you do or don't do.
You basically said "everything is fine" and pointed out a few reasons why you think so. And I said "no it's not" and pointed out a few reasons why I don't think so. It's called discussion.
I agree the phone is more or less functional and usable out of the box. So what? If that is good enough for you then I submit you have low standards and are possibly bad at math because you can get that for a lot cheaper than this phone with a much better actual phone since even the cheapest dumbphone has a pretty good working cell radio, you know, being it's primary reason for existing and all.
I have the capacity to be laid back and not sweat things I can't change just as you seem to. That's a great virtue to have. Congratulations. But I personally paid full out of pocket price for a lot more than the basics. Of course I know early adopters suffer the shakedown period. That in no way excuses HTC, because, this thing was not sold to us as a beta test unit. It was sold as a product. They are obligated to deliver that product.
Saying everything is great, when it's not, doesn't help anyone. It doesn't get problems fixed, it doesn't let HTC and Sprint know they are failing to deliver and pissing off customers.
As for being laid back, well hell why do you assume I'm not? This is just a web forum post man not some major part of my life. I'm on vacation in Key West if you must know, idly killing time playing with my phone because that's what Key West is about, just chilling and hanging out by the pool. or the beach. or Willie T's on Duval st. My girl is in the pool chatting with the other guests in the pool and none of us has a lick of clothes on. You see it's possible to recognize something needs a lot of improvement, and care about it, _even_ while at the same time recognizing it's place in the grand scheme.
Caring about things in general has an important, a very important place in the grand scheme. At the moment it's this phone. But it's not that this phone litterally itself is so important.
Enjoy your phone if you do.
But if you ask why everyone seems to have complaints, there are reasons. Beleive it or not, it's not just because everyone is just that ridiculously anal.
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I just got back from Key West! What in the world hotel are you at though? Didn't see any clothing optional ones, haha. Only saw the clothing optional bar (Garden of Eden) over on Duval. Nice relaxing place, Key West is. Spent 5 days there. We stayed at The Inn at Key West, which has the largest pool on the island. It was pretty awesome.
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Correct me if i am wrong but here is what i see :
1-Battery is descent but if it fails for whatever reason , i have to ship it back to fix the battery . Also not sure in terms of development, what would it mean to not be able to do a battery pull. Also if the battery dies, gotta wait for it to charge
2-This is the only HTC phone that does NOT do surf and talk on 3g
3-No micro sd , i am on unlimited and i was planning on buying full price to keep it , but in the future if they decide to screw us over and take it away completely ( verizon is not exactly loyal to their customers ) I am pretty much SOL.
4- No bluetooth and simultaneous aux in like the rezound had. SO if I am in the car and I have my bluetooth paired and the aux in , it will not route my music to the aux port like the rezound did and route my phone calls to my bluetooth.
So what do the new owners think, did i get it right ?
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Correct me if i am wrong but here is what i see :
1-Battery is descent but if it fails for whatever reason , i have to ship it back to fix the battery . Also not sure in terms of development, what would it mean to not be able to do a battery pull. Also if the battery dies, gotta wait for it to charge
2-This is the only HTC phone that does NOT do surf and talk on 3g
3-No micro sd , i am on unlimited and i was planning on buying full price to keep it , but in the future if they decide to screw us over and take it away completely ( verizon is not exactly loyal to their customers ) I am pretty much SOL.
4- No bluetooth and simultaneous aux in like the rezound had. SO if I am in the car and I have my bluetooth paired and the aux in , it will not route my music to the aux port like the rezound did and route my phone calls to my bluetooth.
So what do the new owners think, did i get it right ?
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#1 Pretty much just like the iPhone... There is a certain button combo you press/hold that will act as a "battery pull". I'm not sure what it is off the top of my head since I haven't had to do it (I have a Rezound).
#2 The only plus about the fixed back is the phone will definitely feel sturdy! I've got an extended battery on my Rezound and man it's annoying how squeaky it is.
#3 Hope they don't mess with unlimited. I don't use much storage luckily. I just checked my Rez and I only had a few GB's used total between the internal and external storage.
#4 I couldn't get that to work on my Rezound... Either I'm doing it wrong or maybe it's how my car handles it?
The only thing that has me questioning hitting the pre-order button is how often I will need to use voice/data over 3G (since this doesn't have the ability). Decisions decisions...
gps
tehknics said:
#1 Pretty much just like the iPhone... There is a certain button combo you press/hold that will act as a "battery pull". I'm not sure what it is off the top of my head since I haven't had to do it (I have a Rezound).
#2 The only plus about the fixed back is the phone will definitely feel sturdy! I've got an extended battery on my Rezound and man it's annoying how squeaky it is.
#3 Hope they don't mess with unlimited. I don't use much storage luckily. I just checked my Rez and I only had a few GB's used total between the internal and external storage.
#4 I couldn't get that to work on my Rezound... Either I'm doing it wrong or maybe it's how my car handles it?
The only thing that has me questioning hitting the pre-order button is how often I will need to use voice/data over 3G (since this doesn't have the ability). Decisions decisions...
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If you are like me and depend on google nav all the time driving , you will need it . 4g is not very reliable driving across state lines and if u get a phone call and need to re route - well then you to make a decision between which one is more imp ... doing it once might not be a big deal , but on a long road trip might become really irritating .
That's a good point... I never thought of it affecting me that way.
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despite all these little cons im still going to get it becuase of the specs
I am happy
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despite all these little cons im still going to get it becuase of the specs
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I am glad you said that, i really wanted to know peoples opinion of my points . I know the specs are beastily , i am so broken hearted that it has all these problems because I know htc has phenomenal reception. I am ready throw my gs3 in my toilet bec of my reception
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I am glad you said that, i really wanted to know peoples opinion of my points . I know the specs are beastily , i am so broken hearted that it has all these problems because I know htc has phenomenal reception. I am ready throw my gs3 in my toilet bec of my reception
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lol and it should not be that hard to root and unlock and s-off
with cm10 or aokp this phone will be a monster
really
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lol and it should not be that hard to root and unlock and s-off
with cm10 or aokp this phone will be a monster
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See we would still be having the same issues .
Any my experience is with HTC is that sometimes they refuse to release a bootloader unlock tool .
I am afraid not as many developer will jump on this because of 1- release of note in the same time 2- release of nexus 4 in the same time 3- how exclusive this device is to verizon . Now you narrowed it down to a handfull of devs that have to do the following : Unlock bootlaoder if htc refuses to it , port a custom recovery to it , and of course root it and then here is the biggest problem , FIX THE RIL TO WORK WITH AOSP .
Over in the rezound world that took a year and if it wasnt for Chad , they would have never had it . and the signal is still shakey.
jmichaels1982 said:
See we would still be having the same issues .
Any my experience is with HTC is that sometimes they refuse to release a bootloader unlock tool .
I am afraid not as many developer will jump on this because of 1- release of note in the same time 2- release of nexus 4 in the same time 3- how exclusive this device is to verizon . Now you narrowed it down to a handfull of devs that have to do the following : Unlock bootlaoder if htc refuses to it , port a custom recovery to it , and of course root it and then here is the biggest problem , FIX THE RIL TO WORK WITH AOSP .
Over in the rezound world that took a year and if it wasnt for Chad , they would have never had it . and the signal is still shakey.
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That is true also but one question about the galaxy note 2 for vzw. How will the development for it be will we have cm10 or only touch wiz custom roms?
jmichaels1982 said:
Correct me if i am wrong but here is what i see :
1-Battery is descent but if it fails for whatever reason , i have to ship it back to fix the battery . Also not sure in terms of development, what would it mean to not be able to do a battery pull. Also if the battery dies, gotta wait for it to charge
2-This is the only HTC phone that does NOT do surf and talk on 3g
3-No micro sd , i am on unlimited and i was planning on buying full price to keep it , but in the future if they decide to screw us over and take it away completely ( verizon is not exactly loyal to their customers ) I am pretty much SOL.
4- No bluetooth and simultaneous aux in like the rezound had. SO if I am in the car and I have my bluetooth paired and the aux in , it will not route my music to the aux port like the rezound did and route my phone calls to my bluetooth.
So what do the new owners think, did i get it right ?
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1. The new batteries that are coming out with the new phones are like night and day. HTC (not just HTC) are starting to use new batteries with better technology (I'm sure some on XDA could answer this question with details). Apple is no longer the king of battery technology if you get the hint.
2. You are going to see this more and more with Verizon phones. Verizon should have the nation coverage with 4g by the end of 2013.
3. Many of the cell phone manufacturers are moving to cloud service and you will see more of this in the future. The carriers need to reconsider their data plans in the future. Verizon knows about this phone and many others that are coming down the pipe line with no SD card slot.
4. I have not tried bluetooth and simultaneous aux with the DNA. So I'm not sure about this. But HTC had to upgrade the Beats software because it seems to be louder and much more clearer. I also don't have a buzzing sound between songs like on the Rezound.
good question
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That is true also but one question about the galaxy note 2 for vzw. How will the development for it be will we have cm10 or only touch wiz custom roms?
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If you head over to the verizon gs3 forums you will see a sticky with a ridiculous donation amount ( i think in the range of thousands ) to get one of the most elite devs to unlock the boodloader( ADAM ) . I am not sure if we will be that lucky again
Then comes the part where the RIL has to be adjusted to suit verizon weird 3g cdma tech that doesn't like AOSP very much
Till all that happens , you are stuck with touch wiz on note II which is plagued with its own set of problems
Here is what i am referring to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1760568&highlight=bounty+unlock
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1. The new batteries that are coming out with the new phones are like night and day. HTC (not just HTC) are starting to use new batteries with better technology
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I'm going to call BS on this but will gladly eat my words if you can show me a valid source for your information on this new and mysterious HTC battery tech.
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If you head over to the verizon gs3 forums you will see a sticky with a ridiculous donation amount ( i think in the range of thousands ) to get one of the most elite devs to unlock the boodloader( ADAM ) . I am not sure if we will be that lucky again
Then comes the part where the RIL has to be adjusted to suit verizon weird 3g cdma tech that doesn't like AOSP very much
Till all that happens , you are stuck with touch wiz on note II which is plagued with its own set of problems
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dangg so tell me this if i really want a good dev phone what should i get
At this point
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dangg so tell me this if i really want a good dev phone what should i get
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I feel like verizon is losing more devs because of their stunts. I hate to say this but the time will come when we have to chose between the network and dev.
They lock all their bootloaders by requesting the manufacturer to do so. Their last stunt with the loss of unlimited plans bec of an upgrade made lose a whole lot more ( ATT customers can upgrade and keep their unlimited and tmobile have the choice of unlimited 4g for extra 20 a month ).
But as of now the GS3 has amazing development , i just hate the phone its self , piss poor reception. If you have good reception then its a haven for dev.
Here is my advice , WHEN YOU A BUY A PHONE, know this , make sure u will love it as is , in its pure native stock form . Relying on verizon devs is becoming more and more scarce in comparison to the Tbolt days.
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I'm going to call BS on this but will gladly eat my words if you can show me a valid source for your information on this new and mysterious HTC battery tech.
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You are going to call BS on this??? Ok take a battery from a phone that is 3 to 4 years old with the same mah and you tell me it's the same technology????That's just common sense. What you just said is, if I went to Wal-Mart and bought a name brand battery and then bought a off brand battery. The off brand battery would out last the name brand? Not sure what is BS on this, but that's up to you.
Yeah my battery really sucks.... NOT..
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And the phone is really slow and the screen sucks... NOT.. Next time you call someone know Wtf your talking about. I never said the battery was top secret, just battery tech is getting better.
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Thank you so much
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And the phone is really slow and the screen sucks... NOT.. Next time you call someone know Wtf your talking about. I never said the battery was top secret, just battery tech is getting better.
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LIsten i am sorry about the other dude. To all who has came out here and clarified my doubts , thank you for taking the time out ! none of you had any obligations to do so and you answered all my questions perfectly ....
I love XDA for that ..
To be honest, if you have the coin to buy the DNA at full price and concerned about the Dev community associated with the device, leaving vzw and unlimited data is the best route. For years I've been a users of more than 5 gbs per month on Verizon's network, and I was getting closer typo 9 per month with lte phones. But now that phones can handle having the Wi-Fi radio on all day without murdering the battery, staying under3gb/month isn't that big of a deal at all. Between the beastly one x+, the option for unlocked international phones, being able to use true nexus devices, etc. I couldn't be happier. The DNA is a great phone, but the concerns you have (including the big one, simultaneous voice and data) it does sound like art would suit your needs better.
However, if att blows in your area or had a bass experience with them in the past, then by all means, disregard everything I've just said
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If you head over to the verizon gs3 forums you will see a sticky with a ridiculous donation amount ( i think in the range of thousands ) to get one of the most elite devs to unlock the boodloader( ADAM ) . I am not sure if we will be that lucky again
Then comes the part where the RIL has to be adjusted to suit verizon weird 3g cdma tech that doesn't like AOSP very much
Till all that happens , you are stuck with touch wiz on note II which is plagued with its own set of problems
Here is what i am referring to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1760568&highlight=bounty+unlock
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While I do completely agree with what you're trying to say, your facts here are a little goofy. The bootloader unlock took 3 weeks from release date.....pretty damn good if you ask me. Yes, people did pool together a lot of money for it, because they all wanted it that bad. It was a bounty, not that "it cost thousands of dollars". And I also run AOSP only on my gs3, not a single problem with it.
Unlocking the bootloader is night and day difference on the manufacturer though. That was a Samsung device....this is obviously HTC. S-off is a completely different creature all together. I had a Evo 4g, Thunderbolt, and Rezound, (along with other manufacture devices) and they are always puzzling.
To say that we're gonna lose devs to the Nexus 4 could be a bit overzealous seems you're talking about people jumping ship and canceling contracts/switching providers for a phone. It happens but not nearly as often as you think. Believe me, we'll still have plenty of devs for it. Currently the only device in the US market with BOTH 1080p screen AND S4 Pro Quad processor.....it'll attract some attention
You can almost guarentee we'll have Team Bamf onboard here too......
EDIT - and I was also under the impression that it does have simultaneous voice and data?!?!
Hi guys.
First of all, I have searched the forum, and also used google, but most of info is not fresh and is not really complete. So please excuse me in advance if I"m asking a question that is partially asked before.
And Please before you reply, I ask you even, I beg you please only reply if you have a constructive informative things to say. Please dont come with sarcasm etc... This is a very serious thing for me.
My project :
Have a android phone for only 1 APP and with Only VPN / TOR connection. So Basicly imagine a android phone that has only 1 app. When that app is in use, communicating it comunicates true vpn maybe TOR.
This phone will not be used for anything alse. Only 1 APP. The APP is a VOIP app, so it will make calls true a external server. The internet will be on the simcard, simcard will be used wich has no Telephony services but only internet services on it. So it must be really basic, not to cheap not to expensive. No other apps will be used. Actually if possible all apps will be removed. and will be locked down, so you can only start, unlock, start app call / recieve calls. turn of.
Now, the Questions
1. What is the most Secure Android ROM, that would work on most / many android phones.
1.1. I want to LOCK the rom / android completely after install and setup settings, sothat nobody can install anything anymore.
1.2. The rom must be light, sothat it's fast and also not to heavy on the battery.
1.3. Posibilities to add extra options like self distruct if 3 times wrong unlock code is entered, like Iphone.
2. What phone would you recommend to do this job, Please keep in mind, it should be not to small, sothat it's nice to use. sits nice in the hand of a grownup person.
Nobody ?
So... No reply at all ))
I did a little research, found out i can strip down the firmware, just build it / rebuild it from source or just make some edition, I'd still like to hear / read some advice about wich phone model to take.
If you are gonna build from source then your best option is a nexus. Other wise you will end up having issues with device trees and kernel source.
As for locking it down well that's another matter. As long as they could get access to the device there is more way to stop them completely.
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If you are gonna build from source then your best option is a nexus. Other wise you will end up having issues with device trees and kernel source.
As for locking it down well that's another matter. As long as they could get access to the device there is more way to stop them completely.
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Thanks for your reply / info.
for the lockdown, it's more like anti kids lockdown, sothat users cannot install just what ever they want. But I think it will be more advanced than that.
I'm planing to make a clean, light, firmwar that will :
1. have only 2 ways of comunicated. 1. Secure VOIP 2. secure chat system like tox or something.
2. will comunicate only true VPN or TOR
3. Will be locked down after initial setup. meanin will not be possible to install anything, just set options like wifi etc... no apstores.
4. Will have self distruct software, that counts how many times wron pin / screen unlock is done, if more then 2-3 will completely wipe itself to empty device.
5. by default camera, gps, proximity, will be absent, so will be removed in ROM, so will be really not functional.
sofar
tomorrow will search for a nexus.
thanks for your advice again.
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If you are gonna build from source then your best option is a nexus. Other wise you will end up having issues with device trees and kernel source.
As for locking it down well that's another matter. As long as they could get access to the device there is more way to stop them completely.
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Nexus, like any nexus ? cause there are many, lg nexus, samsung nexus, etc...
turalo said:
Nexus, like any nexus ? cause there are many, lg nexus, samsung nexus, etc...
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Well that depends on where you want to start. You can get an older nexus where all the code is pretty much there for stuff and learn that way. Or get a newer one where things are still being changed around. Let me give you one warning. With ever yearly android release you pretty much have to rebate everything you did and start from square one.
zelendel said:
Well that depends on where you want to start. You can get an older nexus where all the code is pretty much there for stuff and learn that way. Or get a newer one where things are still being changed around. Let me give you one warning. With ever yearly android release you pretty much have to rebate everything you did and start from square one.
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Thanks for all advise, info.
I have done first tests, went with basic samsungs. s4 mini, have installed edited cyanogen, all tests went well, now testing self distruct mechanism.