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I've had my Hero for aboutttt 7 weeks now and i've been tinkering mainly with 1.5 ROMs.
I've settled with MoDaCo 3.2 which is blazingly fast and has some decent features.
Recently i've tried some 2.1 roms, Villain 5.4, BeHero+ and some others. I tried Villain 5.5 yesterday and kept it until today.
I really liked it, the stock look, the incredible amount of features and general improvements to the interface from 1.5.
Now. Every 2.1 ROM i've used has had something in common. They're all incredibly slow. I mean, once the app is running it's generally ok but switching between apps can be incredibly slow.
Closing an app and sliding between the home screens is extremely sluggish and opening messages can take up to 10 secs.
Keyboard input is about as flat as the expression on my face. And once the keys are recognised the phone vibrates as much as a sex toy...
Don't get me wrong, Villain5.5 is probably the best 2.1 ROM out there, it just doesn't seem to perform well.
So what makes 2.1 so slow?
Is it because it's a stock kernel? I see MoDaCo has "Teknologist"?
Is the Hero just too lame?
This has probably been answered more times than you're willing to count. I'm just frustrated to the point at which i stuck my phone in my mouth and proceeded to nibble on the corner.
Try SenseHero 2.2 - it's fast. Really fast, I think even faster than MoDaCo 3.2.
2.1 isn't any slower than 1.5!
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2.1 isn't any slower than 1.5!
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I really, really disagree there
When we are talking about responsiveness anyway.
Responsiveness of any 2.1 ROMs are far beyond what I would like, VillainRom is the fastest I've used but still not what I'd like for my main phone. Esp vs ROMs like the Kimera 1.8... which is the fastest 1.5 ROM I've ever used (and now sticking to)
TBH I'm not surprised, with no official GSM Hero release, there's no fine-tuned drivers for it etc. Ports can get it running on a GSM Hero but in no way are those builds really built to be used on the phone, they're just modified by XDA Devs. I think thats what makes the wait for the 2.1 from HTC even greater because that should hopefully be the 2.1 we could all finally move to.
(...once XDA roots and tweaks it of course )
to check how fast it is, linpack is better or the benchmark - softweg one?
Running SenseHero2.2 now and have done for a couple days.
Feels very responsive and works very well
SlideVillain 1.1.0 is actually really pretty fast, and I currently use that as my everyday ROM. I used to be a devout taskiller user, but I have now uninstalled Taskiller as you just don't need one on SlideVillain.
Also, the new SuperHero ROM from Villain is unbelievably fast. It is a semi-vanilla ROM, although only available to donators for the moment in a closed Beta (there are still little bugs needing ironed out).
Not all 2.1 ROMs are slow though. The SuperHero ROM is actually as fast as the Desire in use. See http://www.villainrom.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=507 for some info about it.
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i feel it a bit laggy and i'm running out of internal space
so what ROM can make it super fast without using TasksPanel to kill things from time to time and has support to store applications on the memory card ?
arabic language addon with the above would be even better!
Thanks
Take a look at Cronos Droid Might be the fastest... even faster than Villain 6.0 and others jit enabled roms!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=607865
fastest but not 2.1
look at my Signature i think it's the fastest 2.1 rom
I find the Kimera 1.6 ROM with 650MHz overclock kernel makes my Hero fly, especially compared to 2.1 ROMs, such as Cronos 1.3.
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look at my Signature i think it's the fastest 2.1 rom
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Try Cronos Droid first! I tried bot yesterday...No way! Cronos is much faster!
I find the Kimera 1.6 ROM with 650MHz overclock kernel makes my Hero fly
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do you think kimera 1.6 is faster than 1.8?
(I'm on 1.8 custom oc and never tried previous versions)
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But why not publishing some numbers? Just quote the performance application you used and the publish your numbers.
Or, better, let's all agree on a single performance application.
Anything like "I think/feel/see xyz being the fastest" is simply an opinion, not a fact.
But some roms (especially those with jit enabled) scores really high in for exampel linpack. However they can still feel quite laggy in menu's etc.
imo kimera is the fastest right now. and i tried most of the custom roms.
So let's check JIT and non.JIT roms separately.
Kimera 1.8 running at 690mhz
Linpack: 3.0 mflops
aHero
aHero is not only very, VERY fast but also quite stable.
It is, by far, my favourite Vanilla ROM.
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do you think kimera 1.6 is faster than 1.8?
(I'm on 1.8 custom oc and never tried previous versions)
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Sorry, I meant 1.8.
Cronos Droid Version 1.3
There isn't a faster Rom than kimera 1.8 and thats a fact.
SuperHero 1.1.0 gets over 5 Mflops in some cases with JIT and O/C.
It's the fastest 2.1 ROM AFAIK.
Right now I'd rather see more functions than speed. Most of the roms I've tried are stable, but missing one or more functions like MMS, Facebook sync, has green tint, etc etc.
Speed (as well as size) isn't everything.
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Right now I'd rather see more functions than speed. Most of the roms I've tried are stable, but missing one or more functions like MMS, Facebook sync, has green tint, etc etc.
Speed (as well as size) isn't everything.
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The 1.5 ROMs are all pretty damn good in that respect.
Superhero 1.1 is the fastest with JIT and OC of 710 MHz i get 4.522 MFLOPS
I've tested several roms including CronosDroid, Villain 5.5 and SlideVillain. I've found that if you don't want to overclock, Legendroid seems to be the fastest. It just feels faster than the others. Whether this is reflected in benchmarks I don't know, I was not using linpack when I was exploring the different roms available.
I've been running the Ben10 Legendary kernel over Legendroid for the last 6hrs and it works well, but I haven't run other overclocked roms so I can't make a comparison there.
Overall though, Legendroid seems to have a speed about it that the others lack. Whether you're flicking through contacts, using the browser or jumping between homescreens, other roms feel laggy compared to it. Especially if you're a sense junky, the Legend ports have far more stuff built into them compared to other roms.
which one is the most stable with JIT enabled?
2.1 ROMs and how do you check?... benchmark results??
looking for a 4.5+ mflops with stability and Apps2SD working and with sense. battery life should be fairly good as well...
which one is the most stable with JIT enabled?
2.1 ROMs and how do you check?... benchmark results??
looking for a 4.5+ mflops with stability and Apps2SD working and with sense. battery life should be fairly good as well...
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Ezhero and Vanilla eclair both top all of your requirements. Bu they are Vanilla, but Vanilla roms are usually way faster than sense roms, give one a try! Ezhero has jit, while Vanilla Eclair isnt, but both are extremely fast, and you chexk by going to the market and downloading neocore and linpack
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cronos 1.5.1 with jit & o/c to 690 gives average 4.5 mflps for me.
but it doesnt look good without sense, i hate the navigation bar thing at the bottom of the homescreen...
any sense ROM getting 4.5mflops+??
people are using jit on villainrom 10.2 and getting 4.9mflops.
Im in the process of installing JIT on mine now
Update: getting 4.6 linpack scores and getting 29.2 fps on neocore without live wallpapers.
With live wallpaper running Linpack: 4.2
Install 10.2 villainrom and then follow the basic instructions here:
http://www.villainrom.grense.no/vil...sid=6ecc54daded5d6ff9f967e8849aa4215&start=30
Yup. VillainROm 10.2 with JIT works fine for the day I had it running. I removed the JIT patch only because I was willing to trade speed for battery life. I found the JIT doubled the battery drain rate.
i couldnt even start up after using JIT on 10.2...
any other ROMs besides villain that you would recommend??
u need to let it load, takes ages after it first installs. Then play with it a couple of minutes then restart it. Repeat this procedure a few times and it should speed up and work fine
edit: i dont know about other roms... why move from the best?
it just froze, had to pull the battery...
and i remember russel saying that JIT was only stable with SuperHero and not VillainROM...
when u say froze, did it stick at the white screen that says quietly brilliant?
cant remember now, i switched ROM's... i really wish I hadnt done that now
Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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I did have a very good look at all three Froyos ROMs and then I installed 2.1 again, Android 2.1 is so far 100% better for the HTC Hero, in my opinion.
I don't think I miss much by having to individually update the apps, especially since I don't like being the first to update apps as not all updates are for the best (E.G. Astro (now with adds))
Although the Rom is meant to be faster I found it a lot slower, even though I was using Set CPU, only Fusion Rom was decent (but as other roms still had reliability problems). With 2.1 everything is much faster.
I will probably try Android 2.2 again, but I will probably wait till there is a version with Sense as in my opinion Launcher pro (plus) is so inferior in comparison. Sense is a very important feature in my opinion.
Between Android 1.5 > 2.1 there was a big difference and it was worth updating, here no such difference exist, and the main attraction of 2.2 the ability to play proper flash does not work with the Hero.
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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Yeah, i'd agree. Wait another week or two, till the issues start to go, then look again
tbh i think it is good that the scene is moving towards 2.2.
sure things dont fully work atm and certain features wont be beneficial on the hero, but at least there are people working on it so that there is an option if it is needed/wanted.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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I just posted (on my two posts) on what we have available at the moment, and what we know about Android 2.2 in relation to flash, app2sd and automatic updates. No matter what rom comes out in the future these problems will persist.
I agree that all the roms we have are just beta-like versions, and that I am hopeful that the roms will be faster in due time. I even mentioned in my 2nd post that I will try Android 2.2 again once someone manages to incorporate HTC sense to it.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
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I 100% agree with you, and I fully appreciate all the work that developers make in order to develop these roms. But at this moment in time, I found that upgrading my phone to Android 2.2 felt more of a downgrade (excluding Fusion, to some extent).
To be honest ill be very surprised, if we ever get a good Froyo rom, which is as fast as the 2.1 roms and works properly with flash. But we will have to wait and see.
Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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I can be even more specific. A few days after HTC does the first Sense Froyo ROM for Slide or Legend. But no idea how good these ROMs will be, as there will be porting needed.
I need to root and then update my wife's Eris to try to make it run a little bit better. I already use CM7 on my Incredible, but I know the Incredible is a much faster and more powerful phone than the Eris.
So I wanted to ask: Of the rooted ROMS here, which runs better on the Eris - Froyo or Gingerbread? (Better being faster and/or more stable)? Based on that, which ROM would y'all recommend for her phone? Again, I am looking for something that is stable, at least as fast as the old 2.1 version she is using (if possible), and allows her to run newer software without issues.
Any help appreciated. I want to get her on an updated ROM ASAP. Thanks!
/Tom
Gingerbread ROMS have always ran a lot better on my phone than froyo. They just seem to be much more smooth and snappier. Shed's GSB 3.5 is probably about as stable a ROM as your gonna find. The only issue is the camera only has 2x zoom and not the full 9x it is capable of. I think that is a CM issue but I'm not sure.
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I need to root and then update my wife's Eris to try to make it run a little bit better. I already use CM7 on my Incredible, but I know the Incredible is a much faster and more powerful phone than the Eris.
So I wanted to ask: Of the rooted ROMS here, which runs better on the Eris - Froyo or Gingerbread? (Better being faster and/or more stable)? Based on that, which ROM would y'all recommend for her phone? Again, I am looking for something that is stable, at least as fast as the old 2.1 version she is using (if possible), and allows her to run newer software without issues.
Any help appreciated. I want to get her on an updated ROM ASAP. Thanks!
/Tom
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Wrong forum, but...
There is no one answer to your question, the Eris is too quirky.... not all run the same ROM the same way. So, play around, there are many good ROMs here; the devs and community are great!
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I first had XtrSense (Eclair) , then GSB (gingerbread) now i'm using TheRom (froyo). Its pretty snappy compared to the others and I haven't had any issue yet
I have to agree with ianoob, roms run better on some phones than others. If she likes using sense then I recommend gin-sen-tazz. It's a great ROM and running stable on my old refurb Eris.
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I'm on condemned cm7 and its great and has the 9x zoom on the camera. It's fast, stable. I personally would try both froyo and gingerbread and see what your wife likes better.
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Like others said, you have to figure out what works best for you. I haven't had any good luck with any of the GB roms, but instead I've been using CELB Froyo or the XTR roms (2.1)
my two cents: i have my brother-in-law's old eris (he "upgraded" to an incredible). i've had it for 2 weeks and am running Workshed's GSB 3.5. If he could, my brother-in-law would trade me phones in a heartbeat. it's a trade i wouldn't make.
my wife has my mom's old eris. she hated it (running stock 2.1). i put GSB 3.5 on it yesterday and now she's raving over it. makes her think about not getting an iphone with her next upgrade (and she's a mac person to start with).
no experience with froyo, but i can't say enough about Workshed's work. it's phenomenal
No experience with Froyo, but GSB 3.5 runs well on my Eris. I also heard Froyo doesn't run the best on Eris.
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my two cents: i have my brother-in-law's old eris (he "upgraded" to an incredible). i've had it for 2 weeks and am running Workshed's GSB 3.5. If he could, my brother-in-law would trade me phones in a heartbeat. it's a trade i wouldn't make.
my wife has my mom's old eris. she hated it (running stock 2.1). i put GSB 3.5 on it yesterday and now she's raving over it. makes her think about not getting an iphone with her next upgrade (and she's a mac person to start with).
no experience with froyo, but i can't say enough about Workshed's work. it's phenomenal
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Ha! Sounds like your brother-in-law needs to root and ROM his incredible. My Inc smokes my wife's Eris, no matter the ROM.
Still, all these devs do amazing work.
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I really have had great luck with GinTazz and FroyoTazz. Also think xtrSense is awesome if u want more stock minus the bloat and its superfast too... I really love GinSenseTazz too just wwaiting for bt fix in stable build.
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Any of the AOSP roms ran FAR better than a Froyo ever did on mine. Better batter life, faster, etc.
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Ive tested almost all the roms available for eris and I think the gingerbread based roms run a lot faster and smoother than the froyo based roms. My favorite is gin-sen-tazz.
The first custom rom I flashed was KaosFroyo v39. Compared with the stock system, this was a major improvement. Very snappy & responsive, without all the bloatware. After a while though, Kaos stopped updating the rom. I'm not sure why, but things seemed to slow down after a while - the noticeable increase in performance I received from KaosFroyo seemed to decline. Still, an overall solid Froyo rom.
A few weeks back, I loaded GSB v3.5 (Gingerbread) & have been very impressed. Upgraded to v3.6 & haven't looked back since. That rom, combined with Cache2Cache & the v6 Supercharger have made this phone perform better than it ever has for me. I'm holding off on the v3.7 update for now just to see if there's any major bugs/flaws, but I don't expect any - workshed has done a great job!
As others have mentioned, each phone seems to perform differently, but this setup has been tits for me. Thanks to all the developers!!
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Gingerbread - Macrom is running the best on mine. I also believe that phones seem to "like" some ROMs more than others, but the Gingerbread ROMs that are out are all great.
I'm like most, I prefer the AOSP gingerbread roms. I would probably try Condemned, MacrRoms, and GSB. I don't like the Sense Roms, but that's just me. GinTazz with sense and gingerbread ran very well, but my preference is LauncherPro.
GSB (GingerShedBread) v3.7 - CM-7.1.0 RC1. Been running this on my mothers phone months and it came back from the dead. Quick, good battery life, and stable. I also ran this on my OG droid and im now running CM7 on my thunderbolt. Try a few different ROMs and see what works best for the user and the phone. good luck
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I had camera issues with GinSenTazz, like it was tracing around the edges of objects. Not that it's Tazz's fault, its just when you throw Sense into the mix, it adds a whole new layer of possible problems you have to resolve.
I like Gin-Sen-Tazz a lot. It's stable, but has a few kinks that are still getting worked out. GSB is my fave though. That has been my main rom since feb. You can't ask for a better rom.
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