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Hi All!
Do we need a sub forum for Linux / Android development for the HT2 now? The old thread in the HD2 ROM development sub forum is starting to become very cluttered. The amount of topics discussed in that single thread could definitely benefit from being split in many separate threads. I guess the information will be easier to find and the amount of "stupid" questions reduced.
I understand the need for cleaning up some of the sub forums here on XDA (that is actually the reason for this post), but I don't think moving thread out of their context is a good idea. The question asked in my post relates heavily to the ongoing development for the HD2, and will not get the right attention in the Q&A sub forum. People interested in (or having an opinion about) splitting Linux and WinMo ROM development does not frequently browse the Q&A forum.
This post is not of that type where I'm interested in getting a single clear and cut answer. The reason for posting the question is to hear peoples opinion, and maybe getting a discussion going regarding the subject. If I'm not totally wrong, discussion is what the other sub forums are for, right? If we are not allowed to ask questions in other forums than the Q&A, how are we suppose to be able to discuss and debate then?
Could any MOD pleas consider moving the thread back to a forum where the question would have a fair chance of getting some qualified feedback?
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paalkr said:
Hi All!
Do we need a sub forum for Linux / Android development for the HT2 now? The old thread in the HD2 ROM development sub forum is starting to become very cluttered. The amount of topics discussed in that single thread could definitely benefit from being split in many separate threads. I guess the information will be easier to find and the amount of "stupid" questions reduced.
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100% with you , it will lessen the clutter and make the project look even more serious !!!
I don't think they're far enough along to really need a whole subforum for it. Maybe once we get a halfway usable version of android in a couple months, but for now I think the one thread is enough. I mean, how many different threads could be made for it right now? All we have is a bootable android with no drivers so far, so there's not many different things or subjects that could be made into threads right now.
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I don't think they're far enough along to really need a whole subforum for it. Maybe once we get a halfway usable version of android in a couple months, but for now I think the one thread is enough. I mean, how many different threads could be made for it right now? All we have is a bootable android with no drivers so far, so there's not many different things or subjects that could be made into threads right now.
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I agree. Once the wheels are in place and we have workable drivers, then creating a subforum would be ideal.
zarathustrax said:
I don't think they're far enough along to really need a whole subforum for it. Maybe once we get a halfway usable version of android in a couple months, but for now I think the one thread is enough. I mean, how many different threads could be made for it right now? All we have is a bootable android with no drivers so far, so there's not many different things or subjects that could be made into threads right now.
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Well, then we disagree
I think it should be locked so only the guys working on it can post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712586
Right now one thread is fine, but when things begin to get underway we will need another subforum for alternate OSes for the HD2.
Blacked Out said:
Right now one thread is fine, but when things begin to get underway we will need another subforum for alternate OSes for the HD2.
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NO WAY is it fine take a look in there now and look how many pages been posted asking the same crap in like 40 mins n00b retards
maybe something like this could work in the future:
---HTC HD2 Android
--------------------Information (locked forum)
--------------------Questions
--------------------APPS & tweaks
No use the wiki for the android project not more forums
answer:No, I'm fine with the single thread in HD2 ROM dev sub forum.
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i would be fine if it were a single thread, but it isn't, people are starting threads every few minutes 'why cant android run' 'how to install android' 'help, bluescreen' and on and on and on.
samsamuel said:
i would be fine if it were a single thread, but it isn't, people are starting threads every few minutes 'why cant android run' 'how to install android' 'help, bluescreen' and on and on and on.
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i agree 100% , of the 2898 posts there are probably 800 posts " i get a black screen "
Its all about whats hot now
6 months ago alot of posts were when is android going to be working on Hd2?
a month ago nearly all the posts were new cookie clocks
now there all blue screen, once its fixed and more stable releases are brought out the posts about this will drop down and the next new thing will be flooding the boards. its all about whats hot at the moment and in the future android wont be the hot'st thing
Hi to all.
What do you think about separate Android roms from WM ???
Is it possible to make a new thread in HD2 section sticked for always ?
Everyone could have this what he need .
Anyone think it's a goog idea ?
For example :
HD2 ANDROID ROM Development ?
Well the real problem right now is that there is no true Android ROM. Yes you can run Android but till it's flashed to the actual phone like you would with a WinMo ROM it's not a ROM.
then name it just "HD2 ANDROID Development"
it would be great if there is an own android section
i agree! all Android Dev together
Yeah set it up like they have in the rhodium forum.
enough threads already exist full of spammers...one more?
why not call it "spam here if u want for hd2 android development"
I think it would work out great having another spot for Android. Soon most people will be running Android on the HD2 anyway. Makes sense
+1
this ended up being a huge help for the development on the TouchPro2 (Rhodium). Someone got mods to create a new forum and then they took the liberty of re-organizing all the builds and kept up with the development and its still running nice and neat.
I think this would be a great idea for the HD2, it is about as far along as it can get now and is already attracting more attention. No need to clutter up the WinMo ROM development forums
+1 Also
This made the HD1 forum better with a separate sub-forum for Android.
What I also think would be a good idea in ALL the forums really is a dedicated ROM release forum where ONLY roms can be posted and no general questons etc. That way you could cycle through the rom list without it been swamped with lots of other posts.
i agree, a subforum dedicated to this imortant issue (android on HD2) would be very useful for the general order of the forum according to me.
the android builds are beeing created and updated everyday (thanks to all the developers) but only two 3ds (in different subforums!) exist...
I found finding info about Andorid confusing so please separate in another forum.
+1 I love this idea.
i sign this good idea +1
+1 For a new subforum for HD2 Android development.
+1 its really necessary
ATHiEST said:
+1 Also
This made the HD1 forum better with a separate sub-forum for Android.
What I also think would be a good idea in ALL the forums really is a dedicated ROM release forum where ONLY roms can be posted and no general questons etc. That way you could cycle through the rom list without it been swamped with lots of other posts.
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+1 on both ideas !
+1 from me too never got into android for the tp2 but now i have got bored of win mo on hd2 i am enjoying playind with android
+1 here too. It would make life so much easier (and would get rid of people asking for it )
I dunno. There are only really a couple of threads that are relevant, and you can keep up to date with progress on the irc channel.
I seem to be keeping up ok by READING and SEARCHING.
+1 from me, it would make keeping track of things easier, assuming people read what's there instead of posting crap!
There a lot of View 4G user like myself. Please Create a View 4G Section.
I agree
I agree with OP. Please at least put a separate section withing the Flyer section. You know like you did with the Nexus 4G? Thank you for all you do XDA...
Please, a subforum for View specific issues.
Please. I own a flyer and would get soooo pissed when a view owner would say they got netflix from the market on their "flyer"
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I fourth this request.
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Yup, view forum please...
Here here! Bring on a new View forum!
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I only agree with the OP if he means a separate subforum within the main "Flyer" forum. There is very little difference between the Flyer and View. A separate subforum for one or the other (Flyer/View) for model-specific issues would be okay. But otherwise, it fractures and dilutes the information way too much. This is how it was for the G2 and Desire Z (separate forums). If somebody found a solution for something on the G2 (that also worked on the Z), the information would take days (or maybe even weeks) to spread on the Z forum. And even then, often people would just lazily say "look in the G2 forum", and you'd have to go searching around for it. It was actually a big improvement IMO when they eventually merged the G2 and Z forums into one.
Another example, was when I was on the Tilt 2/Touch Pro 2. Things went just fine with the Tilt2 being on the same forum as the TP2. People were just good about stating which model they had. Better yet, just put your tablet model in your signature, and you never have to worry about mentioning it in your post. There are way more differences between the GSM TP2 and the CDMA one, then there are between the View and the Flyer. And all they did for the TP2 was add a subforum for CDMA-model specific issues.
For that matter, there are probably as many (if not more) differences between the WiFi-only Flyer, and the one with 3G/4G. Are we going to make a whole new forum for them, too? Don't think that's a good idea.
If people can't even get the tablet model (Flyer/View) right when they are posting, that's their own stupidity, and there is no cure for that.
^^I agree. A subforum would be more appropriate in this case.
I also agree that the View should have its own subforum in the Flyer section.
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Agreed, however
I think a separate subforum would be nice, but I think us Flyer owners would rather not lose our View toting brothers to another area of the forums!
Now that we have S-Off and we can expect development to begin, I think any future confusion when ROM development starts hitting in here can be avoided by having a couple of sub-forums. VIEW General and VIEW Development at least. Just my $0.02
I am disagree because what is the big difference?
And I am sure that no newbie knows this difference and ask only View specific questions in this subforum and only there. We will have still View questions in the general part and non-View questions in the View subforum only because the owner has a view.
What we need is a simple approach to mention always the Flyer type - like this is organized in many other device forums here.
I think just posting something simple as [view] or [flyer] in the title of a rom or something else your posting that is device specific.
I would like a new View forum too, because it will get even more confusing if people don't completely describe their devices, and everybody says it will work, but on what device? I hope XDA will make a new forum.
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Now that we have S-Off and we can expect development to begin, I think any future confusion when ROM development starts hitting in here can be avoided by having a couple of sub-forums. VIEW General and VIEW Development at least. Just my $0.02
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I know I already posted on this subject, but I totally agree that it would be great to see a View General sub forum in the Flyer General section and a View Development sub forum of the Flyer Development section.
As someone relatively new to concepts like S-off and rooting, it would be nice to have a place to post quedtions and get device specific answers.
icedmo said:
Now that we have S-Off and we can expect development to begin, I think any future confusion when ROM development starts hitting in here can be avoided by having a couple of sub-forums. VIEW General and VIEW Development at least. Just my $0.02
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Its not rocket science, the dev should just say in the ROM description whether its for the View, Flyer, or both. If the OP doesn't say, then you ask, and either the the dev, or somebody else answers. This is how it works for every other device that I've owned.
From past experience, ROMs tend to work on all versions of a device, more so than not. If ROM Development subforum gets split up for the 2 variants, will the ROM dev be expected to post to both, if it works on both? If they don't, people will be stuck browsing both Development subforums, looking for ROMs which are compatible for their version.
Also remember the non-US 3G enabled tablet is called the flyer. I am currently running a rom for the view on my flyer, and other then the annoyance of the "missing" sim card it works fine.
IMO Simply stating View/3G or WiFi Only in the title of the rom should be more than enough. So far every fix for the flyer also works for the view. Separation is un-needed and potentially disruptive. Standardize the ROM labeling and we are golden.
Add another view owner to the /agree list for a subsection for us.
i think the forum should stay the way it is, users should be posting with the right device though it wouldnt hurt XDA devs to put HTC Flyer aka HTC Express (Sprint Evo 4g View) aka Flyer 3g aka Flyer Wifi
if people making threads cant post the correct device they shouldnt be making threads or trying to mod their devices
Oke guys, spread the word if you see it.
But i think its wise to start using prefixes [View] and [Flyer] in general section.
Since we dont have a separated Q&A.
So [Q][View] and [Q][Flyer] in General section will do.
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Whiskey
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Wilco. Thanks!
Thanks for getting this done Whiskey. Hat's off to you for the hard work
why not have our own forum?
Their hardware might be similar but the software, which is what the forum provides, is not compatible with one another, so why not a completely separate forum.
Similar to how the TMobile LG G2x and LG Optimus 2x are extremely similar but still have their own forum. I understand if the View development section was dead, but we are actually pretty lively, especially since HC got released
Who can we address this too? Im sure all my fellow Viewers agree and fell the same way
wyldkard said:
why not have our own forum?
Their hardware might be similar but the software, which is what the forum provides, is not compatible with one another, so why not a completely separate forum.
Similar to how the TMobile LG G2x and LG Optimus 2x are extremely similar but still have their own forum. I understand if the View development section was dead, but we are actually pretty lively, especially since HC got released
Who can we address this too? Im sure all my fellow Viewers agree and fell the same way
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Well you can send a pm to svetius, but time will tell. In the mean time we have at least a seperate Development section. I will also flag it to svetius. If we have a lot of requests it might be possible
I second, How about Flyer/View for General, Accessories, etc... Development as is as it allows cross development visibility
Against.
I have several reasons for this.
1. They are no more separate devices that and Evo 3D devices or the Xoom models. Themes, accessories, applications are pretyy much universally interchangeable.
2. There is an established inter-connected community who share information.
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Their hardware might be similar but the software, which is what the forum provides
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That is only a part of what the site provides, granted it may be the part you are interested in but some are simply interested in knowing about themes, applications, accessories or just talking to other people with the same device. Why fragment the information?
To give a current personal example, if the view had a completely separate forum I wouldn't have done anything at all when the view HC update arrived because I simply would not have known about it.
So you dont own a view butvare still able to dev for it somehow?
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Evidently
Pretty rare case I must say. Most if not all other devs only support devices they own and can test with.
Lucky for us they are merged so you could write up these guides
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I second globatron's sentiments. Before I bought a few Views, I had been browsing around the BB Flyer in store and reading up on the forum here as much as I could before making an informed purchase. If it wasn't for the information I learned searching through the sections before they divided, that the View and GSM/Wifi Flyer were evidently triplet brothers, I would not have made my purchases or gained the knowledge through the information given so far between all devices.
Segregating them from the start might have been smart move to reduce newbie errors, but on the other hand it also induces a 'forgotten twin' effect for the power users and developers.
Sort of like the Desire HD and Inspire 4G, they're both nearly same yet different sections are given for both, I feel it's probably tedious for those communities because they have to switch back and forth between both sections to keep up for new development and stay on top of the game.
Too much segregation might cause more harm than good, for reaching new features, (I wouldn't have known about capacitive buttons on HC Flyer) while in the end when it just takes a simple reading comprehension and disclaimer to make sure someone don't flash/follow the wrong material.
Despite what I said, I do think the entire top level Flyer forum should be renamed Flyer/View and the General, Themes&Apps and Accessories forums likewise to reflect this twin/triplet effect.
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Despite what I said, I do think the entire top level Flyer forum should be renamed Flyer/View and the General, Themes&Apps and Accessories forums likewise to reflect this twin/triplet effect.
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this would be a simple/good solution, who do we beg or bribe to get the change?
Glad to see View has it owns section now after that fire sell.
Forum update: We got Flyer/View Forum renamed with sub-forums also, thx to Svetius for setting it up for me. We don't need a forum specific to The View, this will do well as development continues to grow then Flyer and View will receive their own sub-forums.
Enjoy!
godZson
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Dear Modes...
Is it possible to separate the Android Development forum to sub forums as GB roms & ICS roms.
Its becoming very crowdy and confusing now....
Hope someone is listening...
+ 1 yes, yes
I actually was thinking the same but, when ICS ROM gets officially released (probably in a few weeks), development will only be on ICS ROMs and GB ROMs will be a thing of the past.
But still, I would love to see separate space for ICS ROMs...
This is a great idea - MODS do it
Yet another poster who should know better and post in the correct section instead of messing the forums up with inane posts .
jje
+1
Great idea !
I don't think I've ever seen sub forums on XDA for separate OS iterations, so I doubt it.
By the way, this is a question probably more suited for PM or at the very least Q&A forum, definitely not Android Development...
1) Absolutely should not have had a thread created to pose this question.
2) I don't see the point of splitting the forum further purely along the lines of different Android versions. Having separate forums for the different variations of the SGS2 is fine/necessary, splitting the I9100/T forum into ICS & GB, meh.
all i think is things just need a bit of a cleanup,all the roms that have touch wiz and sammy stuff should go in the original android section and aosp themed roms and heavilly themed roms should go in android development,either that of have sub sections like they do on hd2
Most of the so called custom ROMs are photoshopped icons + JKay's mods. Once ICS gets official and JKay ports his mods to it, Gingebread "development" will disappear on its own, so no need for separate sections.
What we really need is to move all photoshop+JKay stock roms from Original Development to Development, so that original development section gets cleaned up a bit.
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I actually was thinking the same but, when ICS ROM gets officially released (probably in a few weeks), development will only be on ICS ROMs and GB ROMs will be a thing of the past.
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I was thinking the same.
Is not a good idea for me. When will be released officially ICS will have no sense to have two sub-forum.
Not supporting the idea. GB forum would be a desert in a few months, so they would have to merge it back or delete it.
it's a pain find all the info the "Newbies and Noobs" need. +1 I think forums need a cleanup.
Some post from Android Dev are full of the same questions! over and over again.
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it's a pain find all the info the "Newbies and Noobs" need. +1 I think forums need a cleanup.
Some post from Android Dev are full of the same questions! over and over again.
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You hit the nail on the head noobs posting same question over and over . Why is cause they wont search and dont even read the instructions .So whats the point this is a developers forum not a help forum .Rule is if you are to lazy to search read and learn you dont belong on here .
XDA does not cater to the IWant I Want Know Know crowd .
jje
I think this is a great idea, especially for us noobies out there!
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You hit the nail on the head noobs posting same question over and over . Why is cause they wont search and dont even read the instructions .So whats the point this is a developers forum not a help forum .Rule is if you are to lazy to search read and learn you dont belong on here .
XDA does not cater to the IWant I Want Know Know crowd .
jje
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Hahahaha i'm not a Android Dev but when i read some topics about "ROMS and FW" i just want a gun to shoot those noobs.
I think a better idea it's rise the amount of helpful topics to new members. Some like 15 or 20 Seriously!