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I have a Siemens SX56 using AT&T Wireless as a carrier.
The phone is running the following:
ROM Verison: 3.14.03 ENG
ROM Date: 09/27/02
Radio Version: 6.12
Protocol Version: 324e4
My question is:
I would like to connect to a traditional ISP. I have talked to AT&T and they said when I go to the internet, I have to connect using their GPRS network. They said that if I used another ISP I would not have to pay them to use the internet. DUH! this is what I want to do. Any advice would be appreciated...
Thanks!!!
Bob
You can connect to the Internet using GPRS. This, in essence, would make AT&T your Internet Provider. You can choose to get your mail at your existing provider (but you must use AT&T's server for outbound mail). Other than that, your 'normal' ISP has nothing to do with you once you connect through AT&T using GPRS.
You could, theoretically, also connect using the GSM as an ordinary modem, by dialing your old ISP, making what's called a 'GSM data call'. This would however limit throughput to roughly 9600 bps, and it would not have the nice 'always on' property of GPRS. It would be cheaper per bit (in most cases) for large downloads though. Go figure.
i want to make a gsm data call
I do want to make a GSM data call. at&t charges an arm and a leg for data access, that usimg my regular ISP even at 9600 baud would be great.
when I try to set up anything other than GPRS, it says "there is no answer". I called siemens and the said at&t disabled anything other than GPRS.
what I want to know is can I enable that ability which I know the phone can do?
Thanks
Bob
GSM data calls can be made from most phones, but AT&T may have disabled this call type for anyone but those paying for a 'data subscription'. With most providers a data subscription just means you get a seperate phone number in order to be able to receive incoming calls from analogue modems.
GSM providers are weird. For instance O2 in The Netherlands blocks fax calls for some unknown reason, but passes GSM data calls.
I must not be clear...
OK... I must not be clear, so I will try to be more clear in my question.
First a little background:
I have AT&T wireless with a data subscription. My current subscription is for 8 Megabytes per month. I would like to use the web, but with only an 8 Megabyte limit (which is AT&T's highest data level subscription that you can buy) I can not do much on the Internet.
I know that a GSM data call is slower. I know that it is not always on like GPRS. Because of the data limit of my current AT&T data subscription I want to make a data call from my phone to my ISP.
I have setup a ISP connection profile in the connections area on the phone. When I dial the ISP the phone responds with a message that says "the number you dialed is not answering" this is a text based message, not a voice message. I know the phone is answering because I can call it from my home pc or just dial it from the cell phone and it answers. I was told by siemens that AT&T turned the GSM Data portion of the phone off. I am hoping they turned it off with software and its a setting or something I can change in the registry to enable it again.
So in summary:
I do pay for a GPRS data subscription ($25.00 for 8 Megabytes / month)
I would really like to also use GSM data as an option for getting to the Internet when I do not want to use up my 8 Megabyte limit on GPRS.
I really have appreciated your comments and your help. I hope I am being more clear in my question now.
Thanks,
Bob
I'll try to be more clear as well then...
Try calling your provider and see whether they support GSM data calls from 'normal' subscriptions. And with normal subscription, I'm not talking about whether or not the subscription has GPRS, but I mean any subscription that doesn't get you a special phone number for incoming data calls.
There's plenty of providers that do not provide normal data calls, even to subscribers that pay extra to get GPRS. Most of this practice did end when WAP was believed to become big, but some may have limited data calls to their own WAP access numbers.
Should your provider still offer separate numbers for analogue and ISDN, try calling both types to see what happens, and do play around with both call types (analogue & ISDN) from your XDA. (Under 'Settings' / 'Connections' / 'CSD Line Type' in modern ROMs)
Good Luck...
Similar issues
I am trying to do the same thing with my 02 XDA, and i get the same message saying it is not answering. However, i can dial my ISP using a GSM connection, as i have done this using my nokia 7650 connected via IRDA to my PC, and useing it as a modem. However i cannot get the same connection to work using my XDA. Very strange, so if anyone can help.
Hi guys,
new to the forum.
I got 2 BIG (sorry just a newbie..!) question...
i just got an o2 xda.
a) I managed to set up gprs connection to browse internet pages.
My question is... when I insert my sim in the xda, as soon as my provider (wind italy) is recognised a "G" symbol appears next to the radio signal...but after a few seconds it disappears..what does it mean? that the phone is not working under gprs? should i set up something more to allow the phone to work in gprs mode?
b) can i install any application made for pocket pc on the xda? or does a sort of "porting" exist to make them work on the xda?
Thanks in advance
Paolo
a) dont really understand what you mean
1 you ask about if calls are blocked while you are using GPRS
2 you ask if the G symbol mean that your gsm network dont support gprs
b) no, applications for pocketPC compiled for ARM works under all pda's which have pocketPC and an ARM cpu
I think he is asking why the "G", vanishes after initial connection, is that a sign that gprs is not active or is it normal even while gprs is active. Personally I cant get gprs to work with O2 and I have found no solution even though O2 tells me it is available to me.
that's it! I guess the "G" symbol means that gprs is active at the moment (even for calls). So if after a few seconds the "G" symbol is gone, i guess it means that i'm working under gsm and not gprs.
The question is..assuming that what i'm saying is true.. how is possible to make phone calls under "gprs"?
Thanks a lot for your answers.
Paolo
well because autoconf dident include my country or phone company i set up my gprs myself
i did this under
settings
connections
connections
internet settings - modify
new
put a name
select modem -> celluar line (gprs)
typed in the access point of my phonecompany's gprs in my case [Internet]
opened IE
it wanted user name password and domain
i dident type anything at all
but checked save settings
pressed ok and
it loaded the page and i could suft and use messenger and such
Question 1: When the G sign appears when you turn on your radio, it means that GPRS is available. After a few seconds, it always disappears: this does not mean anything. If you connect to GPRS, the G sign does not appear again. If you make a phone call (or receive a phone call) while connected via GPRS, the XDA disconnects automatically from GPRS.
Question 2: Programs for Pocket PC are all compatible with XDA. Just 2 things to remember:
a- some programs are written specifically for some Pocket PCs (like iPaq), so they might not run on XDA
b- some programs related to mobile phones (for managing SMS, fax, ...) are specifically written for PDAs connected to mobile phones (Nokia, ...) and thus not compatible with the Pocket PC Phone Edition
GPRS IE Errors
The logon and password box when you open IE either mean
1. your user name and password for the GPRS connection are incorrect for your provider and contract or
2. You have proxy settings enabled which you don't need
3. You don't have proxy settings and need them.
Hope this helps
Thanks to all,
i managed to understand...that the "G" symbol is disappearing from the main screen but if i "touch" the radio signal a bubble appears with the provider name (ie. WIND) and the "G" symbol on the right side of the bubble.
I guess that means i'm connected in gprs mode all the time. Thanks.
Paolo
GPRS
Hi Paolo.
The "G" symbol means that your XDA have the GPRS Service active by your cellphone provider.
If you have WM2003, to configure the GPRS funcionality you need to go:
- System Panel - Connections and click in "Connections icon".
- "Add a new Modem connection"
- "Enter a name for the connection and select the option Celular Line (GPRS).... Click Next
- Enter the name for the Access Point (of you provider)... Click Next
- Enter the Username and password, if you need it... Click Advanced
- Enter the DNS Servers manualy, if you need it. Click OK and Finish...
And you have GPRS.
Greetings...
Sorry my english, but it is the best i can.
If somebody has foolproof step by step settings for GPRS over O2 using payg sim, I would be very grateful, I have followed instructions from elsewhere but no joy.
dNuOs said:
Thanks to all,
i managed to understand...that the "G" symbol is disappearing from the main screen but if i "touch" the radio signal a bubble appears with the provider name (ie. WIND) and the "G" symbol on the right side of the bubble.
I guess that means i'm connected in gprs mode all the time. Thanks.
Paolo
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No, you;re only part way there. The presence of the G means that GPRS is available, but does not mean you're connected.
hi, i recently asked about disabling GPRS which i have now done through my network provider.problem is, it's still possible to access the web via GSM. does anyone know how I can permanently disable any access to the web - even if the phone is reset? O2 say they can't Block access to the GSM number. I have to do this - or get rid of my phone.
maybe if there were a program which would block any atempt to modem using gsm you could put it in the extented rom
but really it's a bit like trying to make sure nobody call a surden nr from a phone but having to do so in your end and not in the operator end
it's only possible if some hack program can block all attempts to connect using anything but usb
Disable GSM
Thanks for that. Pardon my ignorance - but what is my extended Rom? How do I but thing in there? Is such a program available?
On my settings, I notice that the GSM number has a password associated with it. Does anyone know if I can apply to change my password. That way - if the phone is hard-reset, it will try to set up a connection with the default password - which woyuld then be invalid. That way, I could ensure that only I have internet access and only when I manually input the password.
Damian Gardiner said:
hi, i recently asked about disabling GPRS which i have now done through my network provider.problem is, it's still possible to access the web via GSM. does anyone know how I can permanently disable any access to the web - even if the phone is reset? O2 say they can't Block access to the GSM number. I have to do this - or get rid of my phone.
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Hate to even mention this but as a last resort you could damage the SIM card port or have siemens disconnect the connector to GSM or SIM if possible, that would take out the phone option.
Ah, but wouldn't that disable the phone completely? i still need the phone to make ordinary calls...
Thanks though Iggy. Know you say that you hate to mention it, and I know I must sound like a complet Philistine Monkey for wanting to do this. But I bought the XDA principally for its connectivity to MS Office, and for the fact its a phone. I couldn't give two hoots about using the internett. it costs too much anyway, and others have access to the phone and know how to reset, use the net, then reset again - and restore the info. Thus making it look like it hasn't been used. (though I can check the call register etc).
So you see I need to do this - to protect my wallet & my kids...
As a very last resort - I'll sell the XDA. buy a seperate PDA with no mobile connectivity, then buy a standard mobile instead.
Damian Gardiner said:
Ah, but wouldn't that disable the phone completely? i still need the phone to make ordinary calls...
Thanks though Iggy. Know you say that you hate to mention it, and I know I must sound like a complet Philistine Monkey for wanting to do this. But I bought the XDA principally for its connectivity to MS Office, and for the fact its a phone. I couldn't give two hoots about using the internett. it costs too much anyway, and others have access to the phone and know how to reset, use the net, then reset again - and restore the info. Thus making it look like it hasn't been used. (though I can check the call register etc).
So you see I need to do this - to protect my wallet & my kids...
As a very last resort - I'll sell the XDA. buy a seperate PDA with no mobile connectivity, then buy a standard mobile instead.
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Sorry Damian Gardiner, did'nt quite understand before that you still needed the phone functionality. Just a quick question, for you to connect to an ISP is that not a data call (whether by GSM or CDMA or Normal phone line) and if so I thought it was possible for your provider to disable data calls?????? Don't really what I am talking about, just thinking out loud.
The way that I disable mine is in the [My Connections] settings where it asks to "Select a modem", I pick the "Hayes Compatible Modem" which does not exist in the XDA. So the device cannot dial out my ISP number. When I actually want to connect to my ISP, I pick "Cellular Line". Actually, if you pick "Cellular Line" it just counts as voice minutes. This can be very useful especially during weekends. It is quite slow though. If you pick GPRS then it counts as data, which is additional service.
Give it a try.
Pat
If your provider disables both GPRS and CSD, you can't make any data calls at all. CSD is what provides the ability to dial a provider.
Wouldnt it just work when you delete ALL connections on the XDA?
That way the device won't be able to connect straight away and thus alwys comes up for some user interaction. . .
When I am on my own network I use CSD (ie. dial-up) because it counts as voice minutes (and I don't ever use all the minutes of my bundle)
When I am abroad I use GPRS (cheaper than Roaming CSD)
I've been able to surf using T-Mobile USA's entry "T-Zones" GPRS plan with the 1.72 ROM on my XDA II... I upgraded to 2.06 and it no longer works. It says it connects to T-Zones, but then Internet Explorer fails on all sites with "Site not found."
Messaging and my IMAP account work, so it's not the connection itself. Is this an Internet Explorer 2.06 ROM thing, or a T-Mobile thing?? Did they turn off port 80 or something?
T-Mobile
T-Mobile has changed a bunch of stuff latley. They cut me off of my browsing, if you setup the proxy, it'll start working again. They started blocking unlimited browsing without going through the proxy.
Ah. I set the connection up again as a "work" network that connected via proxy, using 216.155.165.50 (for reference if anyone searches this thread), and I am able to surf.
Thanks!
Forgot to log in. :?
In T-Mobile's ongoing battle to make their "T-Zones" service different from their "Internet" service (for which they charge at least $15 more a month), they keep closing off ports.
I am still able to ssh over the POP3 and IMAP ports, however. :twisted:
Maybe you guys can help. . .
I just upgraded to 2.06 and the Connection Wizard is different - where there was a place for "Number" and I had *9***3# to connect, now it's "Access point name:" and with the same characters it won't connect. I tried using the proxy as described above and it still won't connect. Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks
Hey guys,
I was wondering if anybody has the blackberry software running on the xdaII with tmobile US? I know theres a specific rate plan you have to get with it, but does it allow you to browse the web with it also? What apn's are you using to do both, mail and web? How well does it work and where can I find the app?
thanks
I am using it on an XDA II on t-mobile. I hav the Blackberry minutes and mail plan that is essentially $19.99 for un,imited data and SMS messages and 59.99 for 1000 anytime minutes. As far as the Blackberry Client is concerned, I am use the Blackberry Web Client (BWC). Have not activated BES side yet. Here's my "good" and "bad" lists on the BWC side:
GOOD
1. Excellent, super fast, very reliable basic messaging.
2. Allows you to auto forward and consolidate multiple e-mail accounts and have all messages forwarded to your device
3. Allows you to specify what return address you want the recipientto respond to.
4. Allows you to make the reciepient think that the message is coming from a different e-mail address than your tmo web client address. For example, I have a RIM pager and use that address as return address on XDA. Everyone still thinks I am using the RIM device, when in fact everything is being doen to and from the XDA.
BAD
1. Have not been able to download or open any attachments
2. Clinet does not automatically open the next message, like it odes on regular e-mail. makes you open each message manually.
3. Move message function does not seem to work i.e. you can delete a message, but you cannot seem to be able to move a message to say an archive folder.
4. The client softeare is not integrated with the "Sounds and Notifications" settings i.e. the balckberry client does not show up under the "sounds and notifications" menu, making it imposible to set any kind of audible, vibrating or flashing light alert when a message comes in. All you have is a very short and quiet "beep" when a new message arrives
I can still browse the web, but some sites are not as assessible as they were under th normal data service. For example, I cannot run he Smartner client anymore. It may be possible to add a second APN for regular data, but TMo tech support put me off trying this as they said it would creat a conflict.
All in all I am pleased with the software as I have now been finally able to retire my RIM ipager and now have everything on one device! :lol:
And oh yes, where do you get the software? Its part of the latest O2 ROM image. Download and install 1.72.181 ROM for the O2 myxda website
Hope that helps
Regards
Chris
thanks chris,
So to be able to browse the web, Im gonna need the 19.99 data right? I guess thats why the web wasnt working for me, I got the blackberry app to somewhat work but the web was a no go. Thats what I was afraid of, I definitely do not want to add another 19.99 to my plan.
Thanks for confirming the info with me.
Ben
Hi Ben
I am actually able to browse the web using the Blackbery APN (blackberry.net). I also had some success with APN: wap.voicestream.com. TMo have had some network issues recently that have interupted the Blackberry service. I have called tech support and they had to reprovision the account, which fixed the problems. I would give them a call, say you are having issues with web access and then ask them to reprovision the account for you. You should be able to reach most sites. My issues were more with accessing data and relay servers and services (a la Smartner, iAnywhere etc) than regular web sites.
Give that a try and see if that helps. Let me know how you get on
Regards
Chris
Ben
One more thing. You may be doing this already, but if not, make sure that you "stop" the blackberry software before you launch internet explorer. That way you will disconnect the blackberry connection and allow the XDA to start a new data connection under either APN: blackberry.net or APN: wap.voicestream.com (whichever you have setto default) Once finished with the internet you can stsrt the blackberry messaging client up again.
Regards
Chris
chris,
When u were able to access wap.voicestream.com and the blackberry.net, did you always have the 19.99 data option on your rate plan? I was just using the wap.voicestream.com apn since I only had tzones, but since I'm using the xdaII, I was always able to view html pages. Tmobile has now blocked port 80 if your not paying for the 19.99 data package. So I was just wondering if you always had 19.99 data option.
thanks for the help.
ben
Hi Ben
No, I was able to access it after I switched over to the blackberry plan. They disabled my regular data plan first and then activated the Blackberry plan. Tech support said that I should be able to "access most web sites" which appeared to be correct, aside form some of the network problems TMo had as mentioned earlier.
Regards
Chris
How did you guys get the software on your device? I am thinking about buying an XDA just for this. Right now I have a siemens sk65 coming in but I would love to get back to a pocketpc
Hi StingOr
The Blackberry software client is built into the latest O2 ROM (1.72.181), so if you get the O2 XDA 2 and load that ROM, then you would be good to go.
Regards
Chris