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Exactly what the title says... I tried searching but didn't find anything so pardon me if there was already a thread on this here.
I did some google'ing and there wasn't much for specific info, just sounded like guesses. I read in a thread here if it was over 33c (91.4f) then it was getting too hot, and I also recall somebody saying if it was over 107f then it wasn't good.
Any legit info on this subject? I may contact HTC to find out if they have a range they consider normal operating temp for the phone.
I remember when I got my phone I was playing with the demo in the VZW store and it seemed hot to me. I didn't get actual temps from it but I don't think my phone feels any hotter than the demo phone was.
I sometimes run the phone overclocked, sometimes not. Doesn't really seem to make any difference in heat anyways.
Someone told me 45 degrees C, is too hot, which I think is 113 degrees? (C x (9/5) + 32)?
How are you getting the temp? I have been concerned about how hot my phone is getting also. Spare parts that my Battery is at 43.2 Celcius.
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Any temperature you're pulling from any app, is not even the actual CPU or other chips in your phone. It's being pulled from the battery. That said I firmly believe your processor is a good bit hotter than the battery having much experience in computer overclocking and cooling for many many years (see 12+ years hands on experience) so with that in mind, I would have to say...
40* celsius is my breaking point. Once I hit that I basically stop whatever I'm doing and turn off the display to let it cool. It's pretty hard to hit this temp, even on UV/OC'ed kernels, but with heavy radio traffic, screen on max brightness and a high cpu load its possible.
Well my phone is hitting 100+ consistantly. The temp reading I'm getting is from the setcpu widget.
I have been backing off the phone when it hits 100+. I'm running gingeritis 3d and the mr2.5 radio right now. I tried mr2 and some other non-3d roms but its still heating up, seems like its even doing it when at idle.
I may go back to froyo, and even unroot and go back to 100% stock to see if that makes any difference. I don't want my phone to blow up on me haha.
Thanks for the response. I may still contact HTC to see if they have a temp range recommendation for "normal" use.
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capflya said:
Well my phone is hitting 100+ consistantly. The temp reading I'm getting is from the setcpu widget.
I have been backing off the phone when it hits 100+. I'm running gingeritis 3d and the mr2.5 radio right now. I tried mr2 and some other non-3d roms but its still heating up, seems like its even doing it when at idle.
I may go back to froyo, and even unroot and go back to 100% stock to see if that makes any difference. I don't want my phone to blow up on me haha.
Thanks for the response. I may still contact HTC to see if they have a temp range recommendation for "normal" use.
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i've had some problems with gingerbread roms too...if the phone is noticeably warm or hot in your hand for no good reason...it's either an app you have installed running wild or you're phone doesn't like the voltage of the kernel you are running....some phones are more sensitive than others.
what kernel you running??? you can try imo's latest kernel...out of the box it's pretty stable
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How are you getting the temp? I have been concerned about how hot my phone is getting also. Spare parts that my Battery is at 43.2 Celcius.
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Lol, I'll tell ya how you get that temp. Have a car that has a broken A/C and a windshield mounted car dock. That being said I have a SetCPU profile that fires off a notification sound whever the phone gets over 44C and underclocks the processor. I usually still take it off the dock to let cool down.
Also, I recall that at a certain point (not sure if its ROM specific), my TBolt started flashing the amber light to let me know that it hated me for heat abuse.
First off I want to thank Nitro for Eclipse it is by far the best my phone has run since purchased.
I have noticed tho on .5 that my battery seems to get used up a lot faster. Has anyone else noticed this? I know that Nitro said in his ROM OP that you could change the cpu frequencies in the init.d script. Has this worked for anyone?
If so could you please let me/us know what you did to get better battery usage.
My battery too died really fast when using v5. I adjusted the cpu freq to 216mhz and calibrated the battery. Also tried Overmind's init hack w/ no luck. I have the extended battery and it would need charged after 6 hrs or so. I use my phone a lot but I used to get 11+ hours under similar use..
I recently went back .2.2 where I had better luck w/ battery life. Gonna test this version and hope my battery isn't on its way out.
EDIT: After going back to .2.2 I'm now sitting at 30% with 16+ hrs of similar heavy usage. Nothing against Nitro's v5 but I've had MUCH better battery life on .2.2 Never gave much thought to the reboot "fix".
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Someone said something about sleep states being messed up so after you charge your phone reboot. I've been doing it and im at 40% after a day and a half of moderate use
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I have stayed on eclipse v .4 and get about 8 hours running at 600mhz.
If only we could get custom kernels. Got 1day 3 hours out of my og Droid at ulv 600mhz
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I have stayed on eclipse v .4 and get about 8 hours running at 600mhz.
If only we could get custom kernels. Got 1day 3 hours out of my og Droid at ulv 600mhz
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How do you change frequencies? I was trying to change governors but it wouldn't let me
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The only way I was able to change governers is using the Droid overclock app and installing busybox OR flashing a init.d hack. Not really sure how the app opened up the governors for me, but I know for a fact that init d hack works.
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So there is no real fix as of yet. I am not going to reboot my phone after each charge, that is obviously a band aid fix and I actually like to see how long my phone runs (well) without needing a reboot.
I really like 0.5 so I'd rather not go back to 0.2.2 just for the better battery usage.
It cannot be a kernel issue because since GB was released the Kernel never changed and it hasn't been since I flashed Eclipse 0.5 that my battery life has decreased.
It must be something to do with the ROM, I am sure it will be straightened out soon. One of the genius script writers will provide a hack or there will be settings tweak that helps. Until then it is not nearly a deal breaker, I can still use my phone like normal. It is just something I happened to notice now that we have 1% battery level increments. 5% in my case, I'm running TheMuffStuff's Cyan Ice Cream Blur.
I'm Pretty Sure The Kernel Did Change, Kinda The Big Topic With 2nd-init.
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they already did its called hold the power button, click reboot and wait 20 seconds. also someone made some automated way to do this. you just choose to ignore it.
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they already did its called hold the power button, click reboot and wait 20 seconds. also someone made some automated way to do this. you just choose to ignore it.
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Sorry I don't mean to be rude or ignore the fact that rebooting fixes the battery usage just feel it is more of a band aid than a fix.
Mikey, I apologize I didn't realize that the kernel was able to be modified with a locked boot loader. I do realize that 2nd init hijacks certain process within the kernel and allows for modifications I just didn't know that the actual kernel we were running in eclipse .5 differed from the stock GB kernel.
I will be the first to admit that I have a lot to learn when it comes to the Android OS. I am very thankful to those with the knowledge to bring out these phones full potential.
Just Wanna Be Clear I Was Referring That Gingerbread Kernel Is Different From Froyo.
Not Stock Gingerbread To Eclipse Rom.
I Could Be Wrong And That's Fine, Wanted To Be Clear If I'm Wrong.
I never noticed the battery problem 'cause I'm used to rebooting my phone every morning anyway (coming from a long time windows mobile user) that stupid piece of crap got me in that habit, but this phone is fast as all get out. you can hit reboot, go take your morning whiz and it'll be back up and running before you even start peein!
it's like the playstation 3 of smartphones, just be patient and wait for the software to catch up with the hardware.
maybe adjust your usage a little too. turn off all your stupid data-hungry apps. the 3g radio in this thing sucks juice like nobody's business. but you can play games/music/movies all day long in airplane mode.
I've already gotten 7 solid hours of playin music + stupid zombies while traveling. I'll turn my radio on only when I want to be bothered.
it surprises me that even the wifi doesn't kill it like the 3g radio does. if I'm on wifi all day long my battery life is AWESOME. I've even taken out the 3g tweaks from my eclipse.5 and now I have no trouble getting 12+ hours between charges. the absolute worst thing for the battery is music + wifi tether (I like using the phone hooked to my speakers for general music listening 'cause I don't miss any notifications)
the fact of the matter is, these phones will never have good battery life until the radio gets a serious update/overhaul. it seems like it transmits at FULL power constantly even if it's not necessary.
you want battery savings? turn off background data and put it in max batt saver mode. it doesn't make things that much slower and as soon as you wake the phone it reconnects pretty quickly and updates whatever you were missing out on. that and honestly, it's nice to not be notified about every piece of junkmail that reaches my inbox on a daily basis. people can text you just as easily as e-mail, and if they can't respect that, they don't deserve your respect in return.
who even had a cellphone 15 years ago, let alone all this other crap that comes along with "smart" phones. we all got along fine without them before.
come to think of it, I have never had issues with music skipping either, but I don't let my phone frivolously piss away data either. something to think about, but I remember the days when I paid by the MEGABYTE for data service too.
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I never noticed the battery problem 'cause I'm used to rebooting my phone every morning anyway (coming from a long time windows mobile user) that stupid piece of crap got me in that habit, but this phone is fast as all get out. you can hit reboot, go take your morning whiz and it'll be back up and running before you even start peein!
it's like the playstation 3 of smartphones, just be patient and wait for the software to catch up with the hardware.
maybe adjust your usage a little too. turn off all your stupid data-hungry apps. the 3g radio in this thing sucks juice like nobody's business. but you can play games/music/movies all day long in airplane mode.
I've already gotten 7 solid hours of playin music + stupid zombies while traveling. I'll tu7rn my radio on only when I want to be bothered.
it surprises me that even the wifi doesn't kill it like the 3g radio does. if I'm on wifi all day long my battery life is AWESOME. I've even taken out the 3g tweaks from my eclipse.5 and now I have no trouble getting 12+ hours between charges. the absolute worst thing for the battery is music + wifi tether (I like using the phone hooked to my speakers for general music listening 'cause I don't miss any notifications)
the fact of the matter is, these phones will never have good battery life until the radio gets a serious update/overhaul. it seems like it transmits at FULL power constantly even if it's not necessary.
you want battery savings? turn off background data and put it in max batt saver mode. it doesn't make things that much slower and as soon as you wake the phone it reconnects pretty quickly and updates whatever you were missing out on. that and honestly, it's nice to not be notified about every piece of junkmail that reaches my inbox on a daily basis. people can text you just as easily as e-mail, and if they can't respect that, they don't deserve your respect in return.
who even had a cellphone 15 years ago, let alone all this other crap that comes along with "smart" phones. we all got along fine without them before.
come to think of it, I have never had issues with music skipping either, but I don't let my phone frivolously piss away data either. something to think about, but I remember the days when I paid by the MEGABYTE for data service too.
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Dunno how others feel but I liked this post.
I recommend juice defender I love to set it to turn off all data while the screen is off. And I set it to turn it on every two hours for a minute to retrieve gmail and such. Has helped save so much battery lately and works great. That way I don't have to mess around with going g into settings to turn off data and on every time I wanna check. I also leave it in my notification bar so I can just pull down and tap and it cuts my data. Also have seen I can set it to turn off and on data when using any app I just haven't configured that setting yet. I have noticed up to 4hrs more battery when I have juice defender enabled .
I agree completely on the radio. Even when I have a very very good signal if im not using wifi and pulling data from 3g my battery has been almost completely drained within a few hours of heavy use just browsing the web. Its crazy how much juice it sucks down.
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I never noticed the battery problem 'cause I'm used to rebooting my phone every morning anyway (coming from a long time windows mobile user) that stupid piece of crap got me in that habit, but this phone is fast as all get out. you can hit reboot, go take your morning whiz and it'll be back up and running before you even start peein!
it's like the playstation 3 of smartphones, just be patient and wait for the software to catch up with the hardware.
maybe adjust your usage a little too. turn off all your stupid data-hungry apps. the 3g radio in this thing sucks juice like nobody's business. but you can play games/music/movies all day long in airplane mode.
I've already gotten 7 solid hours of playin music + stupid zombies while traveling. I'll turn my radio on only when I want to be bothered.
it surprises me that even the wifi doesn't kill it like the 3g radio does. if I'm on wifi all day long my battery life is AWESOME. I've even taken out the 3g tweaks from my eclipse.5 and now I have no trouble getting 12+ hours between charges. the absolute worst thing for the battery is music + wifi tether (I like using the phone hooked to my speakers for general music listening 'cause I don't miss any notifications)
the fact of the matter is, these phones will never have good battery life until the radio gets a serious update/overhaul. it seems like it transmits at FULL power constantly even if it's not necessary.
you want battery savings? turn off background data and put it in max batt saver mode. it doesn't make things that much slower and as soon as you wake the phone it reconnects pretty quickly and updates whatever you were missing out on. that and honestly, it's nice to not be notified about every piece of junkmail that reaches my inbox on a daily basis. people can text you just as easily as e-mail, and if they can't respect that, they don't deserve your respect in return.
who even had a cellphone 15 years ago, let alone all this other crap that comes along with "smart" phones. we all got along fine without them before.
come to think of it, I have never had issues with music skipping either, but I don't let my phone frivolously piss away data either. something to think about, but I remember the days when I paid by the MEGABYTE for data service too.
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These are definitely words of wisdom. I think everyone is expecting to run there phones full blast and have no drain.... Maybe they need to hook a solar panel to there phone so it can be charged at all times...lol
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These are definitely words of wisdom. I
think everyone is expecting to run there phones full blast and have no drain.... Maybe they need to hook a solar panel to there phone so it can be charged at all times...lol
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Haha I was actually going to buy one of those if they aren't huge since I like to use my.phone a lot when im out on a "beer finding" day. Go bar hopping to crafted beer bars a lot and its nice to not have to ask the bartender if there is an outlet I can use hahaha.
I do think the battery should be lasting a little.longer than it does tho wit moderate use than it does 4 me
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These are definitely words of wisdom. I think everyone is expecting to run there phones full blast and have no drain.... Maybe they need to hook a solar panel to there phone so it can be charged at all times...lol
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Read an article not too long ago that described a company that's pioneering a solar charging layer for the touchscreen.
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I will definitely check out juice defender. I am by no means complaining about the battery usage at all. My phone still lasts all day with the same amount of use I have always had.
I had just noticed a difference going from Eclipse .2 to .5, and it was even mentioned by Nitro that people may experience a higher battery usage with this rom. I was simply wondering if anyone had applied a script or modified a setting (as stated in OP) that made a difference. I tried to change the cpu values in the script but it didn't make a difference for me. If anyone did make a change please post the change you made and how you made it.
Sounds like rebooting after charging, or using software to modify data usage is what works the best for now.
First time poster, long time lurker...
As far as I can find, I have not seen this issue come up for anyone else. I recently jumped in with the temp root to clean up the bloat and to de-sense. Process went great and everything that I attempted to freeze is froze.
To my dismay, the last two days (since I performed the clean up) my battery life has taken a severe turn for the worse. With screen off I'm losing about 10% an hour, which is way more than before. I used to easily get a day at the office, but now a morning is a lot to ask.
I've checked the usual suspects, and have gone as far as uninstalling any new apps that I've installed since the root. All to no improvement.
I suppose my next step is to re-bloat to see if that brings me back to where I was. But before I go that far, has anyone seen or heard of this problem? If I'm the only one, I suspect my cause and effect is off. I fully expected this to help the ol' battery... But its been the opposite.
I have the exact same problem, I am going to factory reset mine as soon as I have time to set everything up again.
My battery life has literally dropped in half.
~John
Bummer, exactly what I was trying to avoid. Oh well, that's the risk we take I guess.
With all the memory and speed this phone has there is no reason to freeze anything. I can live with bloatware until I get s-off.
When you go freezing apps you alter the way the phone operates. You could have frozen something that the system needed to operate using less
Power. Now your phone works harder and uses a lot more power. This phone is faster and smoother than any rooted phone I ever owned.
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With all the memory and speed this phone has there is no reason to freeze anything. I can live with bloatware until I get s-off.
When you go freezing apps you alter the way the phone operates. You could have frozen something that the system needed to operate usiing less
Power. Now your phone works harder and uses a lot more power. This phone is faster and smoother than any rooted phone I ever owned.
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True statement. One of the reasons I have not updated my temp root script to include de-sensing is because every time I try it it runs like crap. Seems like it just struggles looking for things the framework expects to be there.
Ah, the voice of reason! You are right, I was tottaly content until I started f'n around with the insides. Ill unfreeze it all tonight and keep my fingers crossed that I don't end up needing to reset.
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Ah, the voice of reason! You are right, I was tottaly content until I started f'n around with the insides. Ill unfreeze it all tonight and keep my fingers crossed that I don't end up needing to reset.
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Agreed... This phone is a beast with an OEM extended battery. I used %40 in 14 hours with my standard usage, which includes about 30 mins worth of calls, receiving emails and texting.
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+1, i'm very satisfied with the stock battery on daily use.
When I travel, I throw in the extended battery and I'm watching an entire season of Arrested Development, no problem :x
I haven't desensed, and I only froze some of the bloatware, like the friendstream, nfl mobile...etc. that were in the app's folder, just to keep it clean, but I've learned I just crowd it up again as soon as I start downloading apps No task killers either, just use the one that shipped with it to kill some lingering apps now and then.
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True statement. One of the reasons I have not updated my temp root script to include de-sensing is because every time I try it it runs like crap. Seems like it just struggles looking for things the framework expects to be there.
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I was actually using your tool... appreciate your work on that, it's flawless as far as I can tell. Was going to thank you over on the development board but being an XDA noob I was not allowed!
I thawed everything out and will see tomorrow if I'm back to where I should be. If so, I may give your recommended list a try and see what that brings. I was really liking not having to see all that crapware everywhere I turned.
That is the reason I didn't use the de-sense option. I only froze some of the bloat that i really didn't use. I was afraid that if I de-sensed, it would cause more problems than it fixed.
I started a thread where I gave a long list of freezeable apps, it's linked in one of the stickies in the dev section, and I have left them all frozen. Something like 30 apps frozen. I have NOT de sensed though. I lose 1-2% an hour while idle, though the first 10% from 100 to 90 lasts much longer (complete opposite of my old Dinc which would drop the first 10% in ten mins!)
Well, I bit the bullet and factory reset tonight. We'll see how my battery fares tomorrow.
I had ADWLauncher installed before with a theme and custom icons etc. I left all that out this time.
I do like Sense quite a bit (I love the widgets) so I'm sticking with that for now.
I have two extended batteries I bought with the phone and originally my battery life was outstanding. I could stream audio all day at work (switching between iheart and Sirius) and still have battery life on my way home.
This is outstanding, no other phone I have owned could do that. Lately, my battery life is in the toilet however. I killed an extended battery in a half a day.
~John
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Well, I bit the bullet and factory reset tonight. We'll see how my battery fares tomorrow.
I had ADWLauncher installed before with a theme and custom icons etc. I left all that out this time.
I do like Sense quite a bit (I love the widgets) so I'm sticking with that for now.
I have two extended batteries I bought with the phone and originally my battery life was outstanding. I could stream audio all day at work (switching between iheart and Sirius) and still have battery life on my way home.
This is outstanding, no other phone I have owned could do that. Lately, my battery life is in the toilet however. I killed an extended battery in a half a day.
~John
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definitley looking forward to hearing about the results to the factory reset. i haven't had great battery life but i've also temp root and cleaned pretty soon after getting the phone, so i don't have too much to compare to.
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Well, I bit the bullet and factory reset tonight. We'll see how my battery fares tomorrow.
I had ADWLauncher installed before with a theme and custom icons etc. I left all that out this time.
I do like Sense quite a bit (I love the widgets) so I'm sticking with that for now.
I have two extended batteries I bought with the phone and originally my battery life was outstanding. I could stream audio all day at work (switching between iheart and Sirius) and still have battery life on my way home.
This is outstanding, no other phone I have owned could do that. Lately, my battery life is in the toilet however. I killed an extended battery in a half a day.
~John
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Let us know how it goes, I'll do the same. I used my freeze script to thaw it all out... hopefully I can leave this thing on my desk for a couple hours tomorrow so I can get some good data on idle usage. Fingers crossed it goes back to the way it was.
I have actually been using Go since day one. I never really tried sense, but it drives me nuts not having a dock bar... I think we can all admit the bar at the bottom is a waste of space. Anyway, I played with it a little tonight and it seems super smooth with good looking widgets (as you mentioned). I may have to get it all set up sometime and see if I can get over my dock bar hang-up.
I had the same battery problem as you and I have yet to even temp root my phone(I run Windows 8 Dev Preview, drivers are unsupported). I don't even play games on my phone and had the same issue. It isn't a root/bloat/de-sense issue.
AtL, that battery chart looks painful. Read the issues list if you haven't already... Some folks have reported battery life like that and ended up trading in and getting one that behaved a little better.
As for my issue, after half a day it looks like thawing everything out was the ticket. This chart vs the one in the OP clearly shows a much slower idle draw. I think I'm back to only charging once a day.
So let that be a lesson to everyone... Be careful of what you think you don't want.
The factory reset seems to have helped some, but it's still not back to where it used too be. I have been streaming iheart all day on 4g using an extended battery. I got probably 6 hours out of the 1st battery & I'm down to 80% on the 2nd battery now.
I think the 4g network may be partly to blame in that I think my higher battery useage started almost exactly when the national 4g outage occured.
~John
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AtL, that battery chart looks painful. Read the issues list if you haven't already... Some folks have reported battery life like that and ended up trading in and getting one that behaved a little better.
As for my issue, after half a day it looks like thawing everything out was the ticket. This chart vs the one in the OP clearly shows a much slower idle draw. I think I'm back to only charging once a day.
So let that be a lesson to everyone... Be careful of what you think you don't want.
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I have been here a while bud. I was just posting to show that I had the same issue while NOT using Temp Root or anything you had used in your experience of the problem. This has only happened to me 1 time.
Debloated with no issues
If you know what your doing and have exp with this debloating / desensing will have only positives on your battery. Im pretty sure that horrid battery life had nothing to do with debloating. And as the OP stated it only proved mild imrpovements aftyer hard reset. Unlikely debloat caused that.
Took phone off charger this AM
would explain why when I had the rezound, the battery life started out great, then get beyond terrible.
hey, so i have ran pretty much every "jelly bean" rom out there for this phone for about 2-2.5 months. maybe less. note sure..
anyway, the battery has been horrible! on every rom.. I have a 2700 mAMP battery, and a regular Samsung battery. I have to use both once a day for this phone.. now I have no idea what is making the phone loose percentage after percentage of battery as fast as it has for me, but everytime i post i get about 0 luck from people that either have the same issue, or just people saying they have heard it a million times. i probably should have put this in the "Q&A" thread, but maybe i forgot. can someone, preferably more than one, help me out here?? i don't get how other people say they have 8 or more hours of screen on time with half the battery left. it just doesn't make since. I am loving the android system. but this could be anything! the apps in the background. the kernel, maybe I didn't clean my cache or something. i can't raise my brightness up to far or it'll drain my battery, jamie in the paranoid thread said he had his batter on 100 percent and had excellent battery. so I'm far from confused here. do I need to get another phone, or what. very much apprentice the help from as many people as possible. I love my phone, but I hate that i have to focus on using two battery a day with this phone.
Same here battery draining pretty quick on all jb ROMs.
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Battery usage is highly subjective..
It's nearly impossible to determine a baseline Usage expectancy, simply due to the untold number of variables that drain the battery.
We know the obvious power users ....the display, wifi, data ..
But it gets far more difficult to track the Usage after that.
We know that JB is not optimized for our device, but it's getting better, and until we see a true JB kernel with the rom matched to it, the battery is going to suffer.
Then of course we have the many services that users run, along with countless apps ...
Long story short ....maybe a more stable choice would work better? ?
Like ICS, At least until JB calms down a bit ...
I'm actually running Saurom as I type this ...and my battery life is excellent.
JB just isn't quite there yet ...IMHO ....g
to get better battery turn brightness to lowest usable setting, turn off sync for any non essential apps, turn off soft key lights, flash a kernel that lets you under volt and under clock, try different govonors and io schedulers, turn off gps, put in airplane mode when not using. these should help. keep in mind cell signal strength will also impact battery and 4g will kill it faster then 3g. i am on cm9 stable under clocked to 1.18 undervolt all by 25mv( not much change but i like to be safe) ondemand and sio and get amazing battery life.
What's your screen-on time? 4 hours is the close to the limit on ANY rom for our Notes. You have to make sure it's not some sort of confirmation bias going on here.
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Battery usage is highly subjective..
It's nearly impossible to determine a baseline Usage expectancy, simply due to the untold number of variables that drain the battery.
We know the obvious power users ....the display, wifi, data ..
But it gets far more difficult to track the Usage after that.
We know that JB is not optimized for our device, but it's getting better, and until we see a true JB kernel with the rom matched to it, the battery is going to suffer.
Then of course we have the many services that users run, along with countless apps ...
Long story short ....maybe a more stable choice would work better? ?
Like ICS, At least until JB calms down a bit ...
I'm actually running Saurom as I type this ...and my battery life is excellent.
JB just isn't quite there yet ...IMHO ....g
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thank you so much man! i actually went to at&t and they mentioned that too. they said the kernel im using isn't fully optimized for the phone yet. other words. the phone wont support it. he said basic stock ics is the best thing to do now. he also said. these forums are for phones from Europe as well. not just for AT&T in the us. again, the ROMS these devs are making are not supported for the phone, and is kinda like a mimic of something its not. he said jelly bean was out, but i don't know where to get it. can someone tell me how to install ICS, because when I download it, and use KIES, it installs the system, but never fully completes the process.
trancemusic+1 said:
thank you so much man! i actually went to at&t and they mentioned that too. they said the kernel im using isn't fully optimized for the phone yet. other words. the phone wont support it. he said basic stock ics is the best thing to do now. he also said. these forums are for phones from Europe as well. not just for AT&T in the us. again, the ROMS these devs are making are not supported for the phone, and is kinda like a mimic of something its not. he said jelly bean was out, but i don't know where to get it. can someone tell me how to install ICS, because when I download it, and use KIES, it installs the system, but never fully completes the process.
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Sure...
At the top of the general note section, you will find the "note super everything thread"....
Scroll down to find the ICS info you need...
There are many great ICS roms, and you will find that your phone is "MUCH" better running on the software that was intended for it..
Do the homework in the superthread, and read, read, read......then if you have more questions....just PM me, and we'll get ya up and running....g
gregsarg said:
Sure...
At the top of the general note section, you will find the "note super everything thread"....
Scroll down to find the ICS info you need...
There are many great ICS roms, and you will find that your phone is "MUCH" better running on the software that was intended for it..
Do the homework in the superthread, and read, read, read......then if you have more questions....just PM me, and we'll get ya up and running....g
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thank you so much! I will get right to this
I never got more then 2 hours screen on time on any ROM, just figured that was normal.
Ugh.
That is low scout ....
I pull 3 hours average ...
Must be the internut ..on XDA ....LOL ......g
gregsarg said:
Ugh.
That is low scout ....
I pull 3 hours average ...
Must be the internut ..on XDA ....LOL ......g
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I'm in the same boat as manel, never gotten anywhere above 2h on screen time. Maybe additional 10m or so. Figured it was normal lol
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Battery life is purely subjective. No two people will have the same experience.
Have you used an app like CPU spy to make sure the phone is going into deep sleep? Rogue apps keeping the phone in a wake lock can seriously affect battery life, but its hard to say if anybody's apps are doing that, because we all use different apps and there's no list of apps that keep a wake lock, so you need to use something like CPU spy to see if you are going to deep sleep when your screen is off.
Related to apps as well, don't use any task killers or constantly kill apps when you exit them. A lot of people think killing apps is necessary when it completely is not. Android, since donut or eclair, manages its RAM very well, so that when a properly written app (ie. It's not keeping a wake lock) is in RAM, it's just in a frozen state not using any CPU cycles. Constantly killing well written apps hurts battery life, because restarting the app fresh is much more processor intensive than pulling a frozen app out of RAM. Plus you don't have to deal with annoying loading/splash screens.
Also, like others have said, using the lowest brightness possible, and turning off sync for any unnecessary apps will help battery life. GPS doesn't matter so long as you don't keep something running that uses it. If an app isn't using GPS, then GPS isn't using battery. I always leave my GPS on and do not notice a difference compared to turning it off. If you're paranoid about GPS leave it off, but it's annoying to have to turn it on every time you want to use an app that requires it. You can also disable location access in most apps like Facebook, twitter, etc where you don't need GPS really, and that will make leaving it on even better. If you don't use GPS much anyways, leave it off.
Like somebody said, your cell signal can greatly affect your performance, so use WiFi whenever possible, and even put a data toggle in your pulldown so you can disable cell data when you don't really need it. WiFi in general uses less battery than cellular data, so I use it whenever possible.
I've also noticed that how you use your screen on time also has a great effect on battery life. When I have extended lengths of constant screen on time where the phone starts heating up and whatnot, I see much less battery life than if I just use my phone here and there intermittently. Long stretches of screen on time stress the processor and battery heating them up and making them less efficient, where as short stretches allow the processor time to stay at a cooler, more efficient temperature. If you game at all on your phone, you've definitely experienced this, as you know that your phone heats up due to the extended lengths of screen on time and heavy processor usage. Gaming is a no-no if you're striving for better battery life.
With following those guidelines, my Note sees about 3.5 screen on time with JB on Gubment Cheeze. I would get around that on ICS as well, and I don't remember what it was on GB. Fellow testers and teammates for Gubment Cheeze have seen up to 4 hours and a little more even on JB, so it's definitely possible to have decent battery life on JB.
It really comes down to your own personal usage.
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(quoted)(Related to apps as well, don't use any task killers or constantly kill apps when you exit them. A lot of people think killing apps is necessary when it completely is not. Android, since donut or eclair, manages its RAM very well, so that when a properly written app (ie. It's not keeping a wake lock) is in RAM, it's just in a frozen state not using any CPU cycles. Constantly killing well written apps hurts battery life, because restarting the app fresh is much more processor intensive than pulling a frozen app out of RAM. Plus you don't have to deal with annoying loading/splash screens. )quoted)
I was not aware of this info....many thanks for the heads up...I always supposed that since the ram was consumed with applications, that those apps were pulling CPU usage from the device...
that is clearly not the case......g
Yep, no problem. If you go back to a touchwiz based ROM and go into the stock task manager, it shows you what's taking up RAM, as well as the CPU usage of each thing in the list. If the apps are working properly, pretty much everything will show very little to 0% CPU usage, and ones that are using it heavily will even be highlighted in yellow or red depending on their CPU usage %age. Unfortunately aosp based ROMs don't have that task manager, one of the things I miss from touchwiz.
Every time a non-techy friend buys a new android, it seems the overly aggressive sales rep that sold the phone to them 'helped' them get to know the phone and installed a task killer, specifically advanced task killer. I always just uninstall it without telling them and see how long it takes them to notice lol.
It's still useful in certain instances, for example if you have an app that doesn't run well but you still like/need to use, but in general practice android does a much better job of managing itself. Besides, if you have an app that you know runs poorly and hogs your processor in the background, but you still need to use it, with most aosp based ROMs you can set your phone so that long pressing the back button kills the current app, essentially making task killers useless.
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Battery life is purely subjective. No two people will have the same experience.
Have you used an app like CPU spy to make sure the phone is going into deep sleep? Rogue apps keeping the phone in a wake lock can seriously affect battery life, but its hard to say if anybody's apps are doing that, because we all use different apps and there's no list of apps that keep a wake lock, so you need to use something like CPU spy to see if you are going to deep sleep when your screen is off.
Related to apps as well, don't use any task killers or constantly kill apps when you exit them. A lot of people think killing apps is necessary when it completely is not. Android, since donut or eclair, manages its RAM very well, so that when a properly written app (ie. It's not keeping a wake lock) is in RAM, it's just in a frozen state not using any CPU cycles. Constantly killing well written apps hurts battery life, because restarting the app fresh is much more processor intensive than pulling a frozen app out of RAM. Plus you don't have to deal with annoying loading/splash screens.
Also, like others have said, using the lowest brightness possible, and turning off sync for any unnecessary apps will help battery life. GPS doesn't matter so long as you don't keep something running that uses it. If an app isn't using GPS, then GPS isn't using battery. I always leave my GPS on and do not notice a difference compared to turning it off. If you're paranoid about GPS leave it off, but it's annoying to have to turn it on every time you want to use an app that requires it. You can also disable location access in most apps like Facebook, twitter, etc where you don't need GPS really, and that will make leaving it on even better. If you don't use GPS much anyways, leave it off.
Like somebody said, your cell signal can greatly affect your performance, so use WiFi whenever possible, and even put a data toggle in your pulldown so you can disable cell data when you don't really need it. WiFi in general uses less battery than cellular data, so I use it whenever possible.
I've also noticed that how you use your screen on time also has a great effect on battery life. When I have extended lengths of constant screen on time where the phone starts heating up and whatnot, I see much less battery life than if I just use my phone here and there intermittently. Long stretches of screen on time stress the processor and battery heating them up and making them less efficient, where as short stretches allow the processor time to stay at a cooler, more efficient temperature. If you game at all on your phone, you've definitely experienced this, as you know that your phone heats up due to the extended lengths of screen on time and heavy processor usage. Gaming is a no-no if you're striving for better battery life.
With following those guidelines, my Note sees about 3.5 screen on time with JB on Gubment Cheeze. I would get around that on ICS as well, and I don't remember what it was on GB. Fellow testers and teammates for Gubment Cheeze have seen up to 4 hours and a little more even on JB, so it's definitely possible to have decent battery life on JB.
It really comes down to your own personal usage.
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That's a very big heads up. Thanks. But thing is when I have wifi on. Don't I need to be connected to wifi network first before it actually can help me??
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trancemusic+1 said:
That's a very big heads up. Thanks. But thing is when I have wifi on. Don't I need to be connected to wifi network first before it actually can help me??
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This is true. What kind of signal strength do you get where you are at? Does your phone bounce back and forth to lte. I have noticed when i go from a strong signal to weaker signals or band switching a lot, my battery drains rapidly.
Use cpuspy, as mentioned, to verify you do see deep sleep. Also, i find if rooted, that seting the min speed to 192 helps quite a bit.
Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I'm no gamer, but I didn't faced any heating issues so far.
Maybe I can't speak about heat as I used to use a galaxy S4 exynos (it's a portable cooker in case you don't know, easily reaching 96°c when just browsing on battery), this never heated, the temperature is about 45°c and it never felt uncomfortable hot, actually it never felt hot even in high external temperatures, I don't game on my phone, also I don't do highly demanding tasks, but I guess this phone can stand very well against whatever demanding task you want..
Ya very less heating in rn4
This phone is cool as... Hm, how to explain this.
Imagine hell.
Now imagine it has frozen.
That's the heat level of RN4. Snapdragon 625 does it job.
My phones been fine, up until this last few weeks...
Where I can't hold a charge for more than half a day... And even running phone a USB socket on the computer, the phone still discharges faster than it can charge. Battery getting hot too... I've tried looking to a culprit app that might be churning the cpu. But even process Explorer isn't showing high cpu use from any given app.
The battery app which shows what apps drain most doesn't seem to show it either.
Really worried and nearly giving up. Might do my first factory reset in the 2 years I had this phone. Maybe time to root it and install another rom, Any suggestions?
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My phones been fine, up until this last few weeks...
Where I can't hold a charge for more than half a day... And even running phone a USB socket on the computer, the phone still discharges faster than it can charge. Battery getting hot too... I've tried looking to a culprit app that might be churning the cpu. But even process Explorer isn't showing high cpu use from any given app.
The battery app which shows what apps drain most doesn't seem to show it either.
Really worried and nearly giving up. Might do my first factory reset in the 2 years I had this phone. Maybe time to root it and install another rom, Any suggestions?
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Just trying to comfort you - you are not alone!
First, it's my secondary phone and I use it only when I travel. So not sure since when that happens. Maybe since a week or so.
Now I can lose like 30% in one hour, and the phone gets really hot. I used the last 2 days. Example, this morning it had 100% after overnight charging. I went for breakfast and lost 30% in one hour (rarely use the phone when I was out).
Then I charge a little in the car, phone went went from 58% to 64%. Then for no reason battery life was normal again and by the end of today I had about 20% - and then suddenly withing 20 Minutes it went dark.
I have the phone for about 2 years, this problem is very new.
What I try right now after reading stuff on the internet, so it must be true:
Remove all updates to Google Duo (this app can't be removed) and disable the Auto-Update for it in the PlayStore. Lets see..... (it's an app I never used, had to lookup what it actually is). Did that 15 Minutes ago and phone is already much cooler.
Ok uninstalled updates to duo and blocked auto update in playstore... ill see if that helps... Thanks for the tip
I must admit though, this had made me consider getting a new phone... but I dont really want to the phones good (when its working right) does all i need i to do.... Sure newer phones are a tad flashier but not enough to make me jump to get a new one.
Wow, That appears to have worked..... I mean its not really long enough yet to tell but it does appear to have stopped the fast draining and heat... At least for the first few hours....
Thanks
So if it really is duo causing this battery drain, why do no battery analysers seem to show that?
And is it doing it to all smart phone with duo and I guess it's latest patch installed?
Has duo been spying on us? Has it been running the camera and watching us while we sat on the loo, which I'm soooooo currently not doing..........
Thanks! The recent heat issue after an update had me thinking i need a new phone. I really like this phone, its lasted me by far the longest, and best run times of all I have ever had. I was worried about fire, did a full factory reset with no installed apps, but heat was still there. I removed updates to Google Duo, and stopped any future updates as listed above, and its running cool and clean again.
Once again thanks for this post!
Yep can confirm now after a few days... no heat no fast draining... Google Duo was the culprit... is it a but that just affected mediatek cpus? Or do all android phones suffer this bug? is anyones heads rolling at google for this farce?
ITs fine and good...... no options.
While charging and playing games or using heavy data apps.... it wont get heated like expected when connected to electricity.
When on power banks it works otherwise , gets charged and increase in temperature.
One of the best thermal performance I have seen on a smartphone, thanks to the Snapdragon 625 chipset powering the phone. It had no competition back when it was launched.
Using this phone for gaming almost baked my hand