For the life of me, I can't figure this one out. I've searched high and low but haven't found an answer.
How, on an Android (2.1) phone, can I detect what band am I currently using.
No, it doesn't support locking onto single band (choices are only 2G, 2G/3G, 3G).
No, I can't ask my provider, because they support BOTH bands simultaneously.
No, I can't figure it from a coverage map, since BOTH bands cover my location.
I'm using Samsung Galaxy S (and HTC Desire when it comes from service...), both European versions that support 900MHz and 2100MHz bands (for UMTS).
Is there a way/app/script/ANYTHING that can show me what band the phone is currently using?
The reason for this is that, as I said, in my location there are BOTH types of antennas and even though the coverage is marketed as good, I get very poor signals. I suspect that the phones locks onto just one of the bands (for any reason) and that the other one might be a better choice.
3G band reception is usually worse than 2G because it has a shorter range than 2G and it doesn't have so much building/wall penetration than 2G. I suggest you try setting your phone to use 2G only (in network settings) and try it out. The phones are made so they use the fastest network even if the signal strength is worse.
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peewo said:
3G band reception is usually worse than 2G because it has a shorter range than 2G and it doesn't have so much building/wall penetration than 2G. I suggest you try setting your phone to use 2G only (in network settings) and try it out. The phones are made so they use the fastest network even if the signal strength is worse.
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Yeess...? And your point concerning my question was exactly what? How does that help me to detect which UMTS band my phone is operating on? By turning it OFF?
I'm sorry, but either you didn't read it at all, just completely missed my point, or are trying to piss me off. (sorry, I'm just sooooo tired that people don't read the posts they answer to, or just completely miss the point of the post.)
Sorry. But. UMTS = 3G. So turning 3G OFF does NOT, in the slightest, help me detect what I originally asked for.
Just to be PERFECTLY clear: YES, 3G/UMTS works on BOTH 900MHz AND 2100MHz channels here in Finland. Yes, 900MHz 3G. Not a typo.
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Same here... No app... come onnnnnnn
Just type *#0011# in the dialer dude. It will tell you which band you're on.
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well through testing almost all of the roms here in this section i have found out that every rom does have 3g but if you select HSDPA/HSUPA you will lose your 3G connection and can only have it again if you disable HSDPA/HSUPA. This seems very odd because the hermes and kaiser would switch between the two depending on which one had the stronger connection. i welcome others to test this as i think it is interesting and should be looked into.
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well through testing almost all of the roms here in this section i have found out that every rom does have 3g but if you select HSDPA/HSUPA you will lose your 3G connection and can only have it again if you disable HSDPA/HSUPA. This seems very odd because the hermes and kaiser would switch between the two depending on which one had the stronger connection. i welcome others to test this as i think it is interesting and should be looked into.
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Hmmm Curious..
I am currently running RomeOS 1.21 and am about to update to 1.51.
mine switches no problem between the two.
If i can't get a HSDPA signal then it auto switches to 3G..
will see if the new rom changes anything.
Dean
let me know because i have been observing and have only seen it auto change from H to E or G whichs sucks when it use to go from H to 3G. travel the entire bay area for my job and both phones side by side with me act different. so wierd.
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let me know because i have been observing and have only seen it auto change from H to E or G whichs sucks when it use to go from H to 3G. travel the entire bay area for my job and both phones side by side with me act different. so wierd.
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I Thought H was the same as 3g. Isn't Att's 3G network run on HSDPA?
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well through testing almost all of the roms here in this section i have found out that every rom does have 3g but if you select HSDPA/HSUPA you will lose your 3G connection and can only have it again if you disable HSDPA/HSUPA. This seems very odd because the hermes and kaiser would switch between the two depending on which one had the stronger connection. i welcome others to test this as i think it is interesting and should be looked into.
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HSDPA/HSUPS is 3G. If you are referring to WCDMA vs HSPA there would not be a stronger connection for either because they are on the same frequency.
Fact is on the Hermes/Kaiser the HSPA was downstream only (HSDPA) , on the raph its has bi-directional HSPA (HSDPA and HSUPA) therefor the towers you are broadcasting to with the device will have HSPA mode on continuously as apposed to only when you are receiving from them since the device is receiving and transmitting using HSPA.....which is why the HSDPA mode "H" symbol only appeared during data transfer on the older devices, there was normally a short delay (when using the device as a modem for example) before the "H" appeared and the data began coming in.
Notice how you need to reboot if you choose to deactive HSPA alltogether? The radio stack probably needs to start a new session on the network to change from HSPA back to UMTS only. Indeed when you set standard 3G mode you should get the "3G" symbol rather than "H".
The service rep at ATT told me the other day that HSDPA is actually different then 3G. THe HSDPA is typically meant for the Laptop Connect cards. Since the inception of the iPhone on 3G if you haven't noticed your speeds have dropped significantly.
How true is this I don't know...but when I am using a ROM like RRE that has HSDPA my speeds are much faster then with 3G.
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The service rep at ATT told me the other day that HSDPA is actually different then 3G. THe HSDPA is typically meant for the Laptop Connect cards. Since the inception of the iPhone on 3G if you haven't noticed your speeds have dropped significantly.
How true is this I don't know...but when I am using a ROM like RRE that has HSDPA my speeds are much faster then with 3G.
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HSPA (3.5G) is just another coding method, it still uses the 3G frequencies as with UMTS (aka normal 3G). The theoretical bandwidth due to the more complex an efficient coding method means you can get ALOT more bandwidth down the same frequency than with UMTS. So technically UMTS and HSPA can both be encompassed into the "3G" terminology although they use different coding techniques, the video calling and voice stuff are handled identically afaik, data transmission is where they differ.
This kind of improvement can be seen in the 2G technologies with GSM/GPRS/EDGE.
HSDPA is a "higher speed" data connection than 3G... but its still a "3G" frequency data connection. So on-the-face-of-it, they are one and same, just one is faster than the other.
thank you so much. i am a very visual and analytical person. love to compare behavour. glad i got a real answer about this as i have been reading for days on this and it seems kind of cloudy with the fuze on information. thank you again for the replys.
Wow, there's quite a bit of information, some conflicting, about the various 3G-related terminologies here. So I might as well add my take on it all
Let's compare 2G terminologies to 3G ones, as that should make it easier for some to understand.
GSM - the very basic 2G standard
UMTS - the very basic 3G standard
GPRS - upgraded GSM to packet switching - faster data access - dubbed 2.5G
HSDPA - upgraded UMTS to faster downlink speeds - dubbed 3.5G
EDGE - upgraded GPRS to faster data access - dubbed 2.75G
HSUPA - upgraded UMTS to faster uplink speeds - dubbed 3.75G (occasionally)
Finally, HSPA is simply a term encompassing HSDPA and HSUPA.
I hope this helps more than it hurts
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GSM - the very basic 2G standard
UMTS - the very basic 3G standard
GPRS - upgraded GSM to packet switching - faster data access - dubbed 2.5G
HSDPA - upgraded UMTS to faster downlink speeds - dubbed 3.5G
EDGE - upgraded GPRS to faster data access - dubbed 2.75G
HSUPA - upgraded UMTS to faster uplink speeds - dubbed 3.75G (occasionally)
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There i fixed it for you
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There i fixed it for you
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WCDMA is the air interface for UMTS as
TDMA is the air interface for GSM.
At the same time, GSM is used to describe a phone system that uses GSM/TDMA and UMTS/WCDMA versus the CDMA phone system used by Sprint/Verizon/Qualcomm.
Confused yet?
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WCDMA is the air interface for UMTS as
TDMA is the air interface for GSM.
At the same time, GSM is used to describe a phone system that uses GSM/TDMA and UMTS/WCDMA versus the CDMA phone system used by Sprint/Verizon/Qualcomm.
Confused yet?
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PLEAAAASEEE can we go into how OFDM and QPSK work?? i want to see some heads explode...scanners style.
NuShrike said:
WCDMA is the air interface for UMTS as
TDMA is the air interface for GSM.
At the same time, GSM is used to describe a phone system that uses GSM/TDMA and UMTS/WCDMA versus the CDMA phone system used by Sprint/Verizon/Qualcomm.
Confused yet?
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LOL, newbs reading this will and should be confused. I only edited it to make his comparisons between GSM and UMTS which is should be, not GSM and WCDMA which aren't in the same "group"
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LOL, newbs reading this will and should be confused. I only edited it to make his comparisons between GSM and UMTS which is should be, not GSM and WCDMA which aren't in the same "group"
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*head explode*
what are decent speeds for HSPA connections?
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Thanks. I really shouldn't post anything when it's late, especially when my head feels twice its size due to a particularly annoying cold
NuShrike and Mr. Vanx has explained it.
These jargons always confusing for us, laymans. Easiest term is i think CDMA (2000,1X, EVDO) is used almost exclusively in US, while GSM and WCDMA (UMTS) is in almost everywhere else of the world (around 3.5 billon users as of now - open www.gsmworld.com). Except Japan, they have their own customized system.
Reasons of difference? Matter of choice, more like when you decide using VHS instead of BetaMax. I think part of the reason why US choose CDMA instead of GSM you may ask Qualcomm's technical people, as they hold majority of the copyrights and licenses in CDMA technology. Not only in driverless chipsets... LoL.
Actually, we in Indonesia also adopt CDMA in smaller and narrower market. But the gov limit them to be Fixed Wireless. Now, what does the jargon: Fixed Wireless means?? Another head exploded... LoL =D
3G icon shows when the phone's sitting idle, H shows when data's being transferred.
My phone shows H all the time now because this market has moved on from UMTS + HSPDA to a HSPA market now. This is ONLY as a result of using the non-AT&T ROM, if you use that it will say 3G because AT&T has disabled it (the icon, not speeds) to cause less confusion.
As for what's typical HSPA speeds? Well on the AT&T network i've seen as high as 2Mbps (on a 3.6Mbps HSPA network) but there are places in Europe that are deploying 7.2Mbps and in Australia they are launching 21Mbps!!!
Ok so i bought the vibrant, unlocked it, and inserted my att 3g sim. the issue is im only getting edge speed when my phone is 3g capable. any ideas to correct that? Like creating an apn of some sort?
Thanx!
im about 50 percent sure that at&t and t-mob use different frequencys or something for their 3g signals so they are not compatable, same thing happend with the nexus one and its 3g on at&t if my memory is correct
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im about 50 percent sure that at&t and t-mob use different frequencys or something for their 3g signals so they are not compatable, same thing happend with the nexus one and its 3g on at&t if my memory is correct
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I second this.
Agree. U need to swap it for samsung captiva. The att galaxy s.
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my only working theory is that the 1900mhz freq isnt as widespread as the 850mhz freq, as the vibrant uses 1900. (i think). so that may be it. but i ask only because some commenter on a diff forum mentioned the need to create a 3g apn.
ps. the captivate is too boxy for me. idk why att changed it
Those are at&&&-t frequencys tmob is 1700 and 2100 I think so if our antenna only picks up those iy wont ever work on at-t's network
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my only working theory is that the 1900mhz freq isnt as widespread as the 850mhz freq, as the vibrant uses 1900. (i think). so that may be it. but i ask only because some commenter on a diff forum mentioned the need to create a 3g apn.
ps. the captivate is too boxy for me. idk why att changed it
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It's not how widespread it is. They use different frequencies so your phone won't pick up the ATT 3G signals at all. Edge is 2G.
But I've seen one person on the forum claim that he did it. You can pm him/her on how to do it.
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The Vibrant is capable of AT&T's 3G over the 1900mhz spectrum... if you live in a area where AT&T is only using the 850mhz spec... you will not get 3G.
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Ok so i bought the vibrant, unlocked it, and inserted my att 3g sim. the issue is im only getting edge speed when my phone is 3g capable. any ideas to correct that? Like creating an apn of some sort?
Thanx!
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HEY, don't listen to these guys. You can get both wcdma 1900 and wcdma 850 on the vibrant, don't worry, you will be able to get at&t 3G on your phone!
I'll show you how when I have time, maybe this weekend.
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The Vibrant is capable of AT&T's 3G over the 1900mhz spectrum... if you live in a area where AT&T is only using the 850mhz spec... you will not get 3G.
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you gave the poor guy wrong information, the vibrant is capable of at&t 3g over 1900 AND 850
Having the same issue
I also am only getting Edge signal on my unlocked vibrant. When I run a 1MB speed test at mobilespeedtest.com it says I am downloading at 2581 kbps which, according to their chart, is a little more than the average 4g speed. Very weird. I also can't download any apps but I am searching for a thread on that.
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I also am only getting Edge signal on my unlocked vibrant. When I run a 1MB speed test at mobilespeedtest.com it says I am downloading at 2581 kbps which, according to their chart, is a little more than the average 4g speed. Very weird. I also can't download any apps but I am searching for a thread on that.
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i'm confused, you said you are getting edge signal, but your speed test shows 2.581mbps? thats 3g speeds.
by the way, you can make the vibrant pick up both att 1900 and 850 signals.
you own a bmw and you are a doctor?
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i'm confused, you said you are getting edge signal, but your speed test shows 2.581mbps? thats 3g speeds.
by the way, you can make the vibrant pick up both att 1900 and 850 signals.
you own a bmw and you are a doctor?
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I am on an unlocked Vibrant right now. I live in the baltimore area and I am getting full 3g on a friends borrowed att sim. I get faster speeds on his att than I get on my own tmobile.
When I unlocked my phone, I used the wife's SIM card on my Vibrant and was able to get 3G as well. It registered without any issues.
New york city is also all 1900mhz. I am chugging along at a healthy 4300kbps according to mobilespeedtest. I think that is faster than the 3g spec allows so I am starting to doubt that website a bit.
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New york city is also all 1900mhz. I am chugging along at a healthy 4300kbps according to mobilespeedtest. I think that is faster than the 3g spec allows so I am starting to doubt that website a bit.
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what website? you can also set the vibrant to pick up at&t's wcdma 850mhz
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HEY, don't listen to these guys. You can get both wcdma 1900 and wcdma 850 on the vibrant, don't worry, you will be able to get at&t 3G on your phone!
I'll show you how when I have time, maybe this weekend.
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HI,
Can you explain how you get UTMS / HSDPA 850 on the Vinrant? According to the specs at xda
It doesnt officially support that, but over at howard forums (sorry cant post lins as a new user):
1666323-USING-SAMSUNG-T-MOBILE-VIBRANT-T959-on-WIND-MOBILE.....IN-CANADA
it seems it is an option in the service menu. Have you tried UTMS850 (as opposed to GSM850) and can confirm it works. Its relevant in Australia as the best coverage NextG network (Telstra) operates on UTMS850
Cheers Chris.
Derp.....
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i'm not getting 3g either,
is there a link to a map to see if i have 1900 in my area?
what apn setting should be used, im pretty shocked that it did the edge APN settings on its own
Try dialing
*#2263#
choose option [4]Combi Bands
Choose option [8] WCDMA 850 bla bla
Choose Add WCDMA 850 bla bla
If the chip is capable to work in that frequency it will work. There are mixed reports but it is the way to fix it
So I have the Vibrant. Unlocked it and Put a AT&T Simcard in it and it worked great with 3G but sometimes it'll drop to Edge out of nowhere and It'll stay there and not go back to 3G unless I reboot the phone or in the settings say only search for WCDMA
Now I wasn't sure if I need to update the drivers on the phone? or a Modem? I'm running Trigger Rom
Thanks for any input or advice
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So I have the Vibrant. Unlocked it and Put a AT&T Simcard in it and it worked great with 3G but sometimes it'll drop to Edge out of nowhere and It'll stay there and not go back to 3G unless I reboot the phone or in the settings say only search for WCDMA
Now I wasn't sure if I need to update the drivers on the phone? or a Modem? I'm running Trigger Rom
Thanks for any input or advice
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All the modems that ive seen were released by samsung to work for T-mobiles network that said you may have some luck trying out different modems found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868774
as far as drivers if we had a source code for those maybe but the modems will be your best shot.
When I travel I do this to get 3G in Hawaii since Only Oahu Island has TMO 3G.
Here is the way you can do it:
Also by locking into 3g speeds, if you ever go into a non 3g area, or if your 3g signal is poor in your area, then your phone calls will drop and data will stop, unless you go back and set the phone to its default automatic gsm/cdma settings.
Dial: *#*#197328640#*#*
Click [1] debug screen
Click [8] phone control
Click [7] network control
Click [2] band selection
This is where you make a change, default setting is [1] automatic, which means it chooses automatically between gsm/cdma (Edge vs 3g). So we are going to change this and set it to wcdma band which is 3g.
Click [2] wcdma band
Click [1] wcdma all []
Now it should display “select wcdma all bands [*]"
Now on the bottom of your phone, click the menu key, it’s the one next to the home key, now click back, menu again one more time, back one more time, this is just to confirm it set to number 2 wcdma band.
Now click menu key one last time, click end.. and you are done. Now to double verify that the phone is locked into 3g, dial in: *#*#4636#*#*
Then click phone information Then scroll down to “set preferred network type” It should now have listed “wcdma only.” PS, if you tried to do a shortcut, and just set wcdma this way first without doing the lock above, it would just go back to gsm/cdma auto once you exit the screen.
Your phone should now be locked into 3g.
Thank you very much ^^^^ I'll try right away.
Is there anyreason or way for it to snap back into 3G bands when for some reason it is in Edge
There was a guy with somewhat the same problem a couple weeks ago. Take out your sim and type *#2263# on your dialer. Click combi band, then check the bottom band. Its WCDMA 850. It will put a star in the brackets like the rest of the selections. Hit menu, then back. Re-insert sim and you should be good.
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Isnt there one frequency att has that the vibrant wont support?
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Im not 100% sure, but I think AT&T uses WCDMA 850 for their 3g. That's the one I mentioned earlier which is disabled by default on the Vibrant.
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Im not 100% sure, but I think AT&T uses WCDMA 850 for their 3g. That's the one I mentioned earlier which is disabled by default on the Vibrant.
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AT&T uses 850MHz and 1900MHz for 3G. (They have said that they plan on phasing out 1900MHz, but it's still active in my area.)
Pretty sure there is no 850MHz 3G on Vibrant. Enabling it the menu doesn't do anything. Plus, the FCC document posted by Engadget only showed AWS and 1900MHz 3G bands.
As for the OP, I've experienced the same problem recently...was using stock 2.2 though. Definitely be interested in figuring this out as well. Do you have data problems when the phone switches to Edge? (Other than it being really slow lol) I ask because I was experiencing a drop to Edge followed by no data (despite still seeing the E icon).
Edit: Really dumb question, but are you sure the 3G signal isn't just really weak? Does it happen only in buildings? 1900MHz is supposedly worse than 850MHz in this regard.
As far as I know the Vibrant will not pick up the AT&T 850 band. I have the same problem. I only get 3g when I go into an area that has 1900, even though the map seems to show 1900 in my area. Now when I go into the service mode to select bands it says "RAT selection option in resticted."
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Edit: Really dumb question, but are you sure the 3G signal isn't just really weak? Does it happen only in buildings? 1900MHz is supposedly worse than 850MHz in this regard.
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It does go down to really low signal but my friend with a Captivate in the same area has full bars. I hate it otherwise I'd be fine.
Does anyone know how to configure the way the phone lock to the different frequency towers? I.e. can we create a rule on how it works out which band it uses first.
i.e. In my area, i can get 2G, 3G and 850 WCDMA 3G. I want to configure my mobile to use the priority in order of
1. 2G
2. 850 WCDMA 3G
3. 3G
Anyone knows how to do this? Thx.
You can't control this as the towers tell the phone priorties. If everyone could choose whatever is "best" - say 2G - then the 2G channel would be jammed and then the 3G channel would be sitting idle.
The base station and the phone communicate and then mutually switch frequencies or channels.
You can manually lock the phone to 2G of-course then manually switch to 3G if/when you need speeds or something.
There are very valid reasons to be able to control how the signal is acquired. Some areas where 2G and 3G signals overlap, you may find that the 3G signal is weaker or problematic and you want the phone to hold on to 2G. It could be a particular band, i.e. 850MHz or 1800MHz.
Sometimes a particular 3G band is faulty so we need to exclude it.
Didn't say you didn't have valid reasons, hell i lock my phone to 850mhz when i'm using the stock ROM but on CyanogenMod can't do it. One reason why I did it is because 850mhz is stronger (obviously) but for some reason AT&T is camping everyone in the area on 1900. I'm guessing they are doing some LTE work on the 850mhz frequency so they push everyone off it to do the work needed but when I manually force it back to 850 calls work just as normal
Anyways, you can manually choose em using the network codes as I said, you just can't set up preferences as you so desire as that's controlled by the network, even if it's for reasons as mentioned. You can just disable 1900mhz and therefore only get 3G on 850 but if you go in an area where there's no 850 license then you wont have cell coverage.
I recently bought an unlocked Atrix 4g off ebay to use on my tmobile plan. Everything went smooth except that I'm having issues with slow internet. I've looked all over for a solution(youtube, google, xda forums, etc.) All I've been able to come up with was that until late 2012 this phone wasn't even able to connect to tmobile except on 2g, and a bunch of useless(to me) instructions on how to change my APN.
At this point the phone tells me I'm on 3g, and I consistently have 3-5 bars. My old sidekick had 4g in 90% of the area and 3g everywhere else, so I know for a fact that there is coverage. However when I do a speed test I get an average of 25-50Kbps download and upload, occasionally I get 170Kbps. I've called tmobile and verified that there is EDGE network support in my area(apparently also HSPDA but no HSPA+). I just installed GSM Singal Monitoring app from the play store which is also telling me I'm on EDGE network type.
I've tried every combination of APN settings I can find on the internet including cingular settings and have come up with nothing. This data transfer rates don't drop, and don't get better. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm sure it's not the phone, I can get 18Mbps at work on the wifi(running tests, downloads I've seen up to 4MB/s or 32Mbps). Also if there's anything I need to do on the phone to get internet speeds which requires root, I've already rooted the phone. The only thing I've installed since the root is CWM.
I have used both the Atrix 4G and Atrix HD on T-Mobile. The 4G does not have the radio frequencies needed for 4G / LTE data service from T-Mobile, but the HD does. In fact the HD is a perfect match for T-Mobile frequencies. You can check out the detailed specs for these phones on GSMARENA.
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I also am on TMOUS, the best I've gotten is 5.3 Download 2.7upload on edge.
Im not sure why but I cannot use 3g.Not for a lack of trying though.(tried many apn settings,and even playing with the Dev radio settings)
I want to set the facts straight. The only T-Mobile frequencies that are compatible with the bands on our 'specific' devices are for 2G, Recently T-Mobile has refarmed their towers to support unlocked AT&T devices like ours, specifically they refarmed the towers in 'certain' areas to broadcast and receive 1900 mhz waves that our device's can use for 3G and so called "4G" If you only get 2G that's because there are no nearby towers functioning on the 1900 mhz frequencies.
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I want to set the facts straight. The only T-Mobile frequencies that are compatible with the bands on our 'specific' devices are for 2G, Recently T-Mobile has refarmed their towers to support unlocked AT&T devices like ours, specifically they refarmed the towers in 'certain' areas to broadcast and receive 1900 mhz waves that our device's can use for 3G and so called "4G" If you only get 3G that's because there are no nearby towers functioning on the 1900 mhz frequencies.
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I would like to add that I own an Atrix 4G on T-Mobile (in Chicago), and I get Edge, 3G AND HSPA+ signals. OP was correct in that the phone wasn't able to connect to the other bands except on 2G until about december 2012 (they expanded in order to entice iPhone users to switch providers).
But currently the MB860 (Atrix 4G) *does* work on HSPA+ (which is often called 4G, even though it is not true 4G LTE), which is still much faster than 3G.
post or send be a copy of your apn settings.I'm in Houston and they've reformed their towers here.
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I would love it to already get fast 3g for anything else I also have an ahd
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