http://phandroid.com/2010/10/05/skype-for-android-now-available-worldwide/
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that's right, is doesn't work on the Vibrant.
guess what it does not work on vibrant 2.1
amorek13 said:
guess what it does not work on vibrant 2.1
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It appears that it doesn't work on any galaxy s phone..
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It's a POS app
no Video calling
no group calling
They waited this long to release this Garbage?
Fring was doing an excellent job, until Skype shut them down.
UGH SKYPE is a POS company
Galaxy S owners get the shaft ... yet again! Maybe we should just recognize the fact that AT&T/iPhone 4 is the best game in town and quit trying to play catch up.
There is a GPS fix that allows it to work excellent. Get over it.
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Well, at least we all now know a little more about the two of you. I don't blame you entirely for your disgraceful behavior. Surely your upbringing had a lot to do with it.
I don't see how what I said was inflammatory but perhaps it was misperceived. Allow me to explain: I paid $500 for this device. I honestly don't even need the phone aspect of it. I just need it to access the internet (email, web, etc), then as a media player, and then occasionally as a GPS device. The calling capabilities are literally icing on the cake. Let's just skip the whole GPS part since that needs no introduction. It simply doesn't work (unless you consider your location jumping around every 10 seconds "working" ... yeah, what fun it is to be hearing erroneous directions from your GPS device). T-mobile's voice and data services have been quite paltry in my experience. Calls drop quite often and that's something many Tmo subscribers complain about, especially near downtown and on a NexusOne. Moreover, data takes FOREVER to connect. I could be getting 4mbps/2mbps one second, then 750k/300k the next, then incessant data connection attempts with no data being transmitted ... until I reboot my phone. WTF??? A month ago I was driving from Dallas to San Antonio and got nothing but Edge the whole way down ... all along an interstate highway (albeit one of the worst I've ever seen) ... the phone was even occasionally switching to "G" and it took me forever to remember what that stood for ... GPRS!!! I haven't seen that since the 90s.
If you guys think it is acceptable to get ripped off like that, for hardware and services, by all means continue condoning and promoting Tmo and Sammy's failures and inaction by rewarding them for all that. These phones went on sale 7/15, around the same time Tmo announced their HSPA+ network. Three months later, you expect at least "an" action. No credits, no buy-backs, no remedies ... only failed promises. If you bought a car that couldn't perform as advertised and spec'd, I'm sure you would act differently.
But ... judging from your comments above, you guys are entirely worthy of your fate.
Best,
DCC
P.S. I dislike Apple fanboys just as much as the next guy but at some point we all need to man up to the facts ... the iPhone has the best user experience ... and Windows Phone 7 offers the best development experience (trust me, I have written/am writing apps for all three). The only thing positive about Android in my opinion is the tight integration of all the Google apps and services ... which oddly are not favored by many Android fans on this site ... in addition, they are increasingly being integrated in the other platforms as well (albeit not fast enough). Again, why Android? If it's because you want to be this decade's equivalent of the 90s' Linux geek who spends all day customizing the OS and the environment instead of actually using it and putting to good use, then have fun! Don't feel bad ... most people do not learn from history's lessons either!
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Believe me I hear you, but you make your case weak. Individual experience differs from Joe to Jane.
The biggest advantage of Android over the other's is the hardware support for every major mobile manufacturer.
And Windows Mobile 7? We will see how the numbers look by the Xmas.
Yes, I am a linux geek, but I didn't purchase my phone because I am one.
As for the OP, Skype went downhill once they went to bed with the big red.
So why do you have a tmo vibrant? Why not get an i*hone? There are pros and cons to any device and any carrier...
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Believe me I hear you, but you make your case weak. Individual experience differs from Joe to Jane.
The biggest advantage of Android over the other's is the hardware support for every major mobile manufacturer.
And Windows Mobile 7? We will see how the numbers look by the Xmas.
Yes, I am a linux geek, but I didn't purchase my phone because I am one.
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I really wanted Android to succeed but it hasn't and I'm not necessarily blaming Android itself. I just don't see how I can choose it when the hardware and carrier are dropping the ball. All three (OS, hardware, carrier) are part and parcel. "Hardware support" is not enough when the hardware itself is not cutting it. First the Hero had build quality and connectivity issues, now the Vibrant has an elusive Froyo build and major GPS issues (in response to a previous post, I have yet to see a truly working "fix" and I have installed most if not all of them ... whoever claims it's now perfectly working is smoking something he/she should share with the rest of us).
Thank you for keeping an open mind and I do agree with you that individual experiences will vary but let's agree that this forum is proof that there are major unaddressed problems with this phone.
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So why do you have a tmo vibrant? Why not get an i*hone? There are pros and cons to any device and any carrier...
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Thank you for applying intelligence and not resorting to childish name-calling ... simply put, I left AT&T after a decade of being their customer because my non-iPhone superphones (usually purchased from abroad but compatible with US 3G) were being intentionally disregarded by their network in favor of the iPhone devices out there ... $110 a month for a discriminating data service is not acceptable. iPhones are also a little "too user-friendly" for me. I preferred a more open platform. At this point though, I will settle for a device that "just works". That is what every iPhone user will tell you out there ... the s*** just works. A phone is something that should enable you to do things with it, whether it's productivity, app development, multimedia, services, etc. A phone is not a perpetual hack factory, at least not as a primary device. If people want a side project to play with, great. What I have seen on this forum though is that most people need a phone that works for them, not the other way around.
I am waiting for the first generation WP7 phones to roll out and see what drama will ensue, if any. As you very astutely stated, "there are pros and cons to any device and any carrier". I really enjoy the WP7 mobile app development environment and so long as the phones are not involved in yet another fiasco, I will most likely get one. If not, the iPhone it is.
I'm not trolling and I do not mean to offend hard-core Linux super-users/developers but this business of shoddy phones, shoddy service and endless "hacking" is not right when we're all paying 50-100 a month for service and 200-500 for devices. I am surprised that people are not up in arms about it. There really needs to be a class-action lawsuit over this. I know, a handful of lawyers will just make a shipload of money. Still, companies cannot get away with this sort of negligence. This isn't the first time and it sure as heck won't be the last.
Vote with your dollars and best luck to you,
DCC
If browse over the iphone forums you will see the plethora of posts complaining about this and that on the iphone too.
There is no magic cookie cater for anything, you will always find something to be not up to your standards.
What confuses me the most is people complaining about the features that are not being the prime in the market cliché they are shopping - for instance, neither Android nor iOS are good examples of the enterprise use, but people still insist that my phone does not integrate well with my corporate Exchange environment the way I *want* hence the product sucks.
Everything has its pluses and minuses, it's up to an individual to weigh in the pros and cons to make a conscious buying decision.
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If browse over the iphone forums you will see the plethora of posts complaining about this and that on the iphone too.
There is no magic cookie cater for anything, you will always find something to be not up to your standards.
What confuses me the most is people complaining about the features that are not being the prime in the market cliché they are shopping - for instance, neither Android nor iOS are good examples of the enterprise use, but people still insist that my phone does not integrate well with my corporate Exchange environment the way I *want* hence the product sucks.
Everything has its pluses and minuses, it's up to an individual to weigh in the pros and cons to make a conscious buying decision.
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I really want to say "I hear ya" but here's the deal ...
a) I glanced over the iPhone fora and I am not seeing anything glaring ... mostly basic user ignorance (configuration / customization issues)
b) all the iPhone users I have asked what their biggest complaint is about their phone give me the same "huh?" look ... their phone just works
c) all the major issues with iPhone 4 were addressed with some sort of fix or another, even if all it took was a rubber band ... I have friends who exchanged their phone well after the 30 days because of the proximity sensor issue (just as an example) ... clearly, Apple took ownership of resolving the deal-breaking issues
When I walked into a T-mobile store after the first 30 days and said "I will not put up with this GPS BS" they kindly restated their return policy, gave me Samsung's support number and sent me on my not-so-merry way. When I contacted Samsung, I was told to simply wait for the update as there was no fix for it so a replacement wouldn't accomplish anything. The customer service rep literally laughed when I mentioned a return of the product for refund.
You're absolutely right ... there will always be issues but this isn't a matter of preference or individual taste ... these companies are failing to deliver what they promised and what we have paid for and rightfully deserve. I am in no way saying that the iPhone is perfect; I'm sure I would have something to complain about from time to time ... but when I borrow friends' phones to "play" with, the iPhone is fast and responsive and hasn't failed me once. Load SpeedTest side-by-side. The "Begin Test" button lights up literally instantly. I know the Galaxy S phones have the same hardware. Why is it they can't be as responsive?
As I previously mentioned, I was with AT&T (or one of the companies it acquired or merged with) for over a decade until the Hero came out and I switched to Sprint. Then I went to T-mobile for the Vibrant. I will just make my rounds until I find something that works. My problem is that I get way too overexcited about the technology and jump ship before it has had a chance to prove itself. Right now the iPhone 4 has proved itself fairly well. As I said though, as a mobile apps developer, I really want WP7 to work out so I will _try_ to wait and see. The development experience is "magnifique!"
Best,
DCC
It's really disheartening to see android sinking like this because if googles ignorant attitude. I agree with you, if google woukd be a bit more proactive like Apple or Microsoft (now that they revamped) and set a standard for the OS requirement, quality control. We can all breath better. I have a bad feeling that once wm7 hit, Android will be the new WM6.5, a cheap buggy and unorganized akternative for manuftre and carriers.
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It's really disheartening to see android sinking like this because if googles ignorant attitude. I agree with you, if google woukd be a bit more proactive like Apple or Microsoft (now that they revamped) and set a standard for the OS requirement, quality control. We can all breath better. I have a bad feeling that once wm7 hit, Android will be the new WM6.5, a cheap buggy and unorganized akternative for manuftre and carriers.
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Thank you for chiming in. Hopefully Android will survive, even if only because competition is a good thing. I think most of the issues faced today (so-called fragmentation, etc) will be resolved in the re-architecture being introduced in Android 3.0. I'm more concerned about the carriers and hardware manufacturers closing up shop after a phone has been released and only looking forward to the next model. What good is it if Android survives and succeeds if I am the one left holding the dud? "Oh, just pay another two to five hundred dollars." The worst part is that the user/owner community turns a blind eye to the egregious failures in the name of fandom. That is NOT the way to organize and effect change.
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I really want to say "I hear ya" but here's the deal ...
a) I glanced over the iPhone fora and I am not seeing anything glaring ... mostly basic user ignorance (configuration / customization issues)
b) all the iPhone users I have asked what their biggest complaint is about their phone give me the same "huh?" look ... their phone just works
c) all the major issues with iPhone 4 were addressed with some sort of fix or another, even if all it took was a rubber band ... I have friends who exchanged their phone well after the 30 days because of the proximity sensor issue (just as an example) ... clearly, Apple took ownership of resolving the deal-breaking issues
When I walked into a T-mobile store after the first 30 days and said "I will not put up with this GPS BS" they kindly restated their return policy, gave me Samsung's support number and sent me on my not-so-merry way. When I contacted Samsung, I was told to simply wait for the update as there was no fix for it so a replacement wouldn't accomplish anything. The customer service rep literally laughed when I mentioned a return of the product for refund.
You're absolutely right ... there will always be issues but this isn't a matter of preference or individual taste ... these companies are failing to deliver what they promised and what we have paid for and rightfully deserve. I am in no way saying that the iPhone is perfect; I'm sure I would have something to complain about from time to time ... but when I borrow friends' phones to "play" with, the iPhone is fast and responsive and hasn't failed me once. Load SpeedTest side-by-side. The "Begin Test" button lights up literally instantly. I know the Galaxy S phones have the same hardware. Why is it they can't be as responsive?
As I previously mentioned, I was with AT&T (or one of the companies it acquired or merged with) for over a decade until the Hero came out and I switched to Sprint. Then I went to T-mobile for the Vibrant. I will just make my rounds until I find something that works. My problem is that I get way too overexcited about the technology and jump ship before it has had a chance to prove itself. Right now the iPhone 4 has proved itself fairly well. As I said though, as a mobile apps developer, I really want WP7 to work out so I will _try_ to wait and see. The development experience is "magnifique!"
Best,
DCC
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I guess I went to the apple forums before the proximity sensor issues were resolved, and it was Vibrant GPS Redux over there.
I am glad that Apple took care of the problem after a few updates to their iOS, but as with the GPS issues on our phones the proximity sensor should've been caught during the QA, I am not gonna say anything about Antennagate.
Hopefully GPS will be patched for good on the Vibrant too, and no I do not need the proof that it is addressed with the latest update - faster locks does not mean accuracy.
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Fring was doing an excellent job, until Skype shut them down.
UGH SKYPE is a POS company
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Its those bloody Iphone Users that were clogging up the servers using Fring that caused fring to gett banned from skype
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Its those bloody Iphone Users that were clogging up the servers using Fring that caused fring to gett banned from skype
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Don't let Skype off the hook though ... I used to be a big fan of theirs but they've been very slow with delivering platform-specific clients and they seem to be playing favorites and such. Closing the door on fring, a very, very open solution out there, was a deplorable thing to do.
It doesn't matter folks ... when Google comes out with their VOIP service, and you KNOW they will (Gizmo5 acquisition, etc), all these other (dis-)services will be obliterated. I predict Google will establish its own data-only cell carrier (cause data is all you need anyway) ... hopefully within the next 2-3 years.
I know this thread kinda derailed off topic, but imma put my two cents in.
I do kinda agree with DCC, at my workplace pretty much everyone has some sort of smart phone. When the subject of phones comes up, I am the first one to bang my chest and yell ANDROID~!
But the sad truth is, iphone users like the iphone because IT DOES WHAT THEY NEED IT TO DO. they really dont care about all the stuff we have come to love about android.
So they are happy and content, while we are up till the wee hrs of the morning trying to make our phones have a milli-second faster lol.
And to me its not really trying to make our phones better than the iphone, its me just making my phone better than it was.
I am disappointed in samsung about the lag issue and the gps issue.
I dont complain about it though, cause we are all here at this website to make our phones better than it is from stock. and I am 100 percent sure , once its said and done, this phone will more than satisfy me.
As far as I've read, Fring violated Skype's API and when they were challenged Fring, instead of changing their code, resolved to drop Skype support altogether. It's basically Fring's fault for not playing according to the rules. Fring issued a statement saying that Skype blocked them. It's an unlikely story since Skype has a fairly open API and would be leaving itself open to lawsuit if they did so.
blogs.skype.com/en/2010/07/fring.html
Where are you guys reading or hearing these things from?
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As far as I've read, Fring violated Skype's API and when they were challenged Fring, instead of changing their code, resolved to drop Skype support altogether. It's basically Fring's fault for not playing according to the rules. Fring issued a statement saying that Skype blocked them. It's an unlikely story since Skype has a fairly open API and would be leaving itself open to lawsuit if they did so.
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Umm, definitely NOT from either side's highly partial blog, that's for sure ... which, by the way, you are misquoting. Fring did not drop Skype support all together. They temporarily disabled video calls because Skype and the carriers were *****ing about it (due to the excessive load on their networks). Then they were suddenly blocked from routing connections through Skype. This is an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring who stands alone and is one of the most open companies out there.
I get it, no one here really knows what happened when and why but ... Skype is no victim. On the other hand, the Objectivist in me says Skype should have every right to deny Fring (or any individual, company or group in the world) access to their systems. I just wish they would come out and say it instead of being all sly about it.
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Umm, definitely NOT from either side's highly partial blog, that's for sure ... which, by the way, you are misquoting. Fring did not drop Skype support all together. They temporarily disabled video calls because Skype and the carriers were *****ing about it (due to the excessive load on their networks). Then they were suddenly blocked from routing connections through Skype. This is an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring who stands alone and is one of the most open companies out there.
I get it, no one here really knows what happened when and why but ... Skype is no victim. On the other hand, the Objectivist in me says Skype should have every right to deny Fring (or any individual, company or group in the world) access to their systems. I just wish they would come out and say it instead of being all sly about it.
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Saying that a company violated API publicly when they didn't is libel.
Just answer the question, your smugness, where did you get your info (especially seeing as you're stating that it's an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring. I guess you're one of these people behind these closed doors?
Lemme get your "jump to conclusions" board for you.
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First... let's start with a a few definitions.
com·put·er - n.
1. An electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program.
2. Also called processor. an electronic device designed to accept data, perform prescribed mathematical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations.
3. A device that computes, especially a programmable electronic machine that performs high-speed mathematical or logical operations or that assembles, stores, correlates, or otherwise processes information.
tel·e·phone - n.
1. An instrument that converts voice and other sound signals into a form that can be transmitted to remote locations and that receives and reconverts waves into sound signals.
SO... I was browsing around XDA, and I couldn't help but notice all of talk we have accumulated over this whole HBoot 1.5 deal, not have the NAND unlocked, crummy source code releases from phone companies, sprint and many other phone companies monitoring every little thing we do, people's contracts being terminated for "accessing torents".... a whole laundry list of problems people are having with various aspects of owning their "phone" and not having freedom to truly do whatever they want with it.
I started pondering the idea that cell phones, tablets, the whole scene, are slowly starting to replace the use of a personal lap top or desk top. Many people, such as myself, use their "phone" as a very handy mobile business tool - much like you would a computer - checking/sending emails, downloading music, managing bank accounts, keeping up with the latest news on facebook, recording/sharing/editing high quality media, playing games, programming and testing software, composing and looking at word, excel, powerpoint, adobe... just to name a few... documents. Oh, and making phone calls.
Back to the "thought" that came to mind as I was contemplating this, it occurred to me that my phone, is becoming much less of a phone to me, and more like a computer, and just like my computer it is something I have paid and continually pay good money for...
My question, then, is would the free world (society) ever tolerate the limitations, and obnoxious "control" over their personal computers that we are all rolling over on our backs and accepting from phone companies? Could this idea that phones are becoming, and ARE, more a computer than a phone in the year 2012 and furthermore at what point will we stop accepting this type of tyranny from the dealers of these devices? Could this not be comparative to best buy selling you a laptop, then the cable company telling you exactly what you are and aren't allowed to do with said laptop, simply because they are providing you the PAID FOR service of their internet? Where and when are we going to draw the line with this type of double standard and make a valiant effort to bring this to the attention of people who are walking in blindness, with their little computers in their pockets, with their big phone company telling them exactly what they can and cannot do with their phone? If I want to buy a lap top, then turn around and rebuild it to my liking, knowing the warranty may be void if something goes wrong, and maybe over something as simple as not liking the color of the menu screen, do I not have that ability? Likewise, if I pay hundreds of dollars for a portable computer, which fits conveniently in my pocket, and I decide I want to tear apart the software simply to rebuild it or improve on things that do not fit to my needs EXACTLY, am I not allowed to do this simply because I am paying for internet and radio reception and the company selling me such service says "no, that is not allowed" because they say so? If this type of control or dictatorship was ever forced upon our personal computers, there would be riots on the doorsteps of the people selling us the computers and internet service. Why then do we tolerate this bull**** with something cell phone companies call a "phone" but something we all know is just as useful, and extremely more convenient than, a lap top.
Why is there no freedom to do whatever we please with our pocket sized computers? Why do cell carriers tell us what we can and cannot do with the devices they sell us, then make us pay for continually? The average person will spend approximately $1,800 dollars on "cell phone" services over the course of a contract. By the time that contract is up, their hardware is outdated, and needs replacing to keep up with the software and hardware advancement in the mobile electronic world. Does that wreak of computer or phone to you? My parents have had the same house phone in their living room for the past 10 years, and it does exactly what it was always designed to do, and does not need "upgrading". Why are "cell phones" being called cell phones by Sprint, Verizon, T Mobile, and many other companies that sell these devices by the millions when they are hardly phones at all? If my laptop has an application on it, which it does - skype, that is designed to simply make a phone call every now and then among the hundred of other things I use it for, does that mean I should call my lap top a cell phone? Simply because I can talk to cell phones from it? Or is it a computer, because it's primary function is to compute data that I store on it, and read that data back to me in millions of different ways and interact with me based on what data I decide to access/store in it? "Cell phones" are not cell phones, and why are we allowing people to tell us otherwise, simply so they can dictate to us what we do with them? I think it is time we start bringing this to people's attention. I think it is time to start raising this question to "cell phone" companies and manufacturers of these expensive devices, then turn around and tell us what we can and cannot do with our "cell phone." I say we start giving a big fat middle finger to this injustice and go on the offense here about this huge issue. I don't want your spyware bull **** on my computer, I don't want to be told what websites I am allowed to visit/not visit, I don't want you locking me out of my computer's OS, I don't want you collecting random statistical data about what apps I use, I don't want you invading my privacy. I just want to buy my damn computer, pay for your radio service like I do with my laptop and comcast, and not have any other relationship with you other than a monthly payment. I am one of those who enjoys freedom. And if I want to pick apart the software that you pre-loaded into my device, for learning experience, for ****s and giggles, for the pure sake of not being bored, give me the freedom to do it ENTIRELY... Not in some half ass way.
Our "phones" are not phones. Make this known the next time a "phone" company calls you with their ridiculous "rate your experience at our store" phone calls. In fact, request that they do call. Write a letter. Hell, copy and paste this entire rant and email it to [email protected]... whatever the hell you do, stop letting people walk all over you by feeding you lies about what that device in your hand truly is, which you are reading this post from.
Be vocal, and be defiant with this major invasion of privacy and freedom. It will turn heads and cause people to question the powers that be. Does ANYBODY have a right to tell me what I do with MY computer? Hell no they don't.
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You sir, a a born philosopher.
Nicely said.
Evo 3D taking it to Redline!
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Agreed in full.
PS. The first one to flame should get banned from XDA! and their phone removed by the FBI...
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Meh, its still just a phone, the "phone" has just evolved. All technology has a 2 year cycle. And as long as you have to go through a carrier, they will be able to tell you what you can and cannot do.
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Cool Story Bro. Now seriously, you may have a point there athough if this did happen we would probably end up laying full price for our phones. Where do you ever see a desktop with 250 instant savings if you setup Verizon home and phone service in your area. It's an iffy situation. Once we call these "phones" computers they will end up being treated as such. I can't imagine how much the cost of an app would go up just because my phone is no longer considered a mobile platform.
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The phone is simply no longer a phone. With the recent software that allows us to run x86 OS's in your hand with nothing more than a disk image and a text edit, the term "PC in your hand" is indeed a reality. As this wonderful visionary has so stated in so many words, where does the line that separates computer and phone begin and end. And the simple answer is, it doesn't begin or end because it doesn't exist.
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ha, if you think you aren't paying full price for your phone through the back door (your monthly bill) you are fooling yourself. they compensate themselves greatly with that little rebate you "save"
my point is simply that our "phones" are not phones anymore. they are computers. i have a phone, at my house, and it makes phone calls. what it doesn't do is keep me logged into skype, facebook, twitter, my email accounts, my netflix account, my pandora account, my bank account, or record pictures, videos, then allow me to do much of that stuff at the same time and in a timely manner.... much like my lap top does.
i was on a little bit of a stick it to the man kick last night i'll admit...lol... but really ask yourselves, "is he right here?" i think so. it would not be a stretch at all to say our personal mobile computers are being monopolized and freedoms are being infringed upon simply because we have been told to call these mobile computers "phones"...
have they evolved from what they were? certainly. i remember when my cell phone was simply a cell phone. the reality is that i use my phone for things i used to use my computer for.... as somebody said before, that line between phone and computer has been quickly fading and is nearly gone, so why treat our phones any different than we would a computer? and why shouldn't we expect nothing less than complete and utter personal privacy for these devices? and just as you buy a desktop or lap top and have entire administrative control over it, why is this not being allowed on these ones that are hand held? it is a sick double standard that is there to simply control what you do with the device. the fact is, people would be in an uproar if companies such as dell, or gateway, or apple, or comcast, etc treated you and your desk top the way you are being treated with your "cell phone"
Dude, you're absolutely right! If anyone disagrees, its because they have been brain washed for so long they don't know any better. Come to think of it, I hardly use my "phone" to make phone calls. The sad reality, though, is that I don't see change any time soon. We have given the carriers too much power and, just like government, they never give that power back.
But I mean, this if what the man is good at, like for real. They sell us on an idea, put the product in our hand, say "do anything you can imagine with it" and out in the fine print "but only do what we allow you to imagine, nothing more!" For example, just because it plugs in, in a sense anyway. I have a NextBook Premium 7 tablet. I have also started developing roms. The problem my partners and I ran into was the limitation of space on the thing (210 mb after root, 160 mb before root), after converting the file system from the manufacturer version to a version that the typical phone runs (ext3) and editing the parameters, the thing has a gigabyte of free space. To plug this into the topic at hand, what the electronic market does by limiting the possibilities of what our devices can do is keep money in their pockets, because they (for example) release a 3vo with a 1 gHz processor, the release a sensation with a 1.2 GHz, putting emphasis on the ".2" for $100 more. Then come back and sound the release of a quad core 1.5 GHz phone, again putting emphasis on the ".5" and are going to throw ANOTHER $100 on to of the sensations price tag after rebate. When in fact, the 3vo can be over clocked to 1.5 and be stable, the sensation can hit that 1.8 with its eyes closed, and I'm quite sure a quad core can push 2.0 GHz plus on a bad day. The average consumer doesn't know this though, and the average consumer happens to be pretty much 95% of society with an Android phone smartphone, and unfortunately the consumer market plays on this lack of knowledge.
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This should at the very least concern some of you. The way the technological world is headed, lap top and desk top computers could very well be obsolete in a few years. Entirely obsolete. Your “phone” will do all of the things your computer does, and dell will be in the “phone” business, not the PC business. Who is going to be in control of your “phone service”….??
Sprint, Verizon, T mobile, etc… turning a blind eye to this unfolding before our very eyes is ignorant and foolish. They will have us all by the testicles.
so my car is also a computer? Its got multiple CPU's, a place to watch dvds, and a 7" monitor with android OS on it. I drive a computer! sweet!
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so my car is also a computer? Its got multiple CPU's, a place to watch dvds, and a 7" monitor with android OS on it. I drive a computer! sweet!
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well you are obviously out of your element here.
what is the MAIN function of your car? to drive. technically your brain is a computer. don't be a moron.
a hand held camera for example, has a speaker phone on it for recording sound with the video? correct? does it also have an image processor? yes it does. do we call it a voice recorder? no. we call it a camera.
my whole point is that our "phones" are far more similar to our "computers" and labelling them "phones" and treating them as such, by controlling them and monopolizing them and dictating what we are not allowed to do with them, is none of anybody's ****ing business but ours - much like what you do with your computer is nobody's business but yours. if i download torrents on my lap top, does dell and comcast walk in and remove the service i am paying for? no, they don't, because it is unlawful and not their element. furthermore, phone companies do not treat these devices with the respect they deserve, hence all the security flaws we uncover in the dev community. this needs to change.
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This should at the very least concern some of you. The way the technological world is headed, lap top and desk top computers could very well be obsolete in a few years. Entirely obsolete. Your “phone” will do all of the things your computer does, and dell will be in the “phone” business, not the PC business. Who is going to be in control of your “phone service”….??
Sprint, Verizon, T mobile, etc… turning a blind eye to this unfolding before our very eyes is ignorant and foolish. They will have us all by the testicles.
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The phone "will" do nothing, cause it already does.! And though I agree that the ideal "desktop or laptop" will fade, the touchscreen PC will shine through eventually just as the phone did, I doubt regular computers will fade away at anytime in the near future.
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1. The code for phones is written on supercomputers, so you'll likely not see the complete dismantling of them in general. Maybe a huge drop off of personal (at home) computers/laptops, but not full scale pc absence.
2. Its the desire of the users to have the latest and greatest things to play with that feeds cell phone companies and allows them to control the experience.
3. The only true way to revolt against the companies, is don't buy the latest and greatest, or don't buy at all. We're only subject to our own temptations. You have to eliminate your dependence on your smartphone, and retract back to "the old way" (only make phone calls, write letters, etc). Its because you (general you) have allowed yourself to be reliant on your phone for so many aspects of your life that phone companies (manufacturers and cell service providers alike) have you by the balls.
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The phone "will" do nothing, cause it already does.! And though I agree that the ideal "desktop or laptop" will fade, the touchscreen PC will shine through eventually just as the phone did, I doubt regular computers will fade away at anytime in the near future.
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why would you want a touch screen PC when tablets and ipads and phones are already there? and what makes you think the technology will stay restricted to a display screen? virtual displays are already in the works and these will be implemented as soon as they can be. your "phone" could very likely one day fulfill every aspect of entertainment and communication that your standard home computer does. how do you not see this trend already taking a sharp rise over the last two years compared to the last 4 or 5? sprint and other carrier's line up of devices has taken a major overhaul over merely the last 5 years, and you think that trend is suddenly going to come to a screeching halt and dual core, 1 gig RAM, and 4 inch displays will be the standard for the next century or even 5 years? you are mistaken.
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So after much thought about the issues we face from poor customer support at both verizon and moto and thinking of other instances in which the individual customer's voices fall on deaf ears... It comes to my thought, 'why don't we the customers, not just dx2, but all moto customers on xda that are tired, fed up and sick of all the ignorance up there rise up!' Not that we could actually go to the offices of moto and verizon. (though if people have the time, location, and desire go for it) But similar to bus boycotts of years past, or sit-ins at restaurants. What if we were to pass the word around, and then on a specific date, say the 16th of May, we all do whatever we can to talk to moto and verizon, ie: call customer service any moment we have, chat online when we're not to busy, email anyone we know there as often as we can. Just to talk about unlocking the bootloaders. Maybe after a day of taking all our complaints and seeing the numbers we actually represent, not to mention how this will bog down their infrastructure... Maybe they will hear us... After all there's nothing illegal about it and it has been proven an effective means to an end.
I Like It . I Like It Alot.
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So are you saying like an occupy Motorola/Verizon?
Good plan. I'm curious as to why you choose the 16th of May.
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Good plan. I'm curious as to why you choose the 16th of May.
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Because he could not chose the 5th of November, it is taken
im in
Yes count me in!
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Need to develope a "canned" yet memorable keyword(s) to speak to the reps with. Anything pertaining to rooting is out. Like lets list here the most common ailments of our phone: mp3's skipping, battery jumping etc.
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Need to develope a "canned" yet memorable keyword(s) to speak to the reps with. Anything pertaining to rooting is out. Like lets list here the most common ailments of our phone: mp3's skipping, battery jumping etc.
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Multiple soft reboots, weak wifi signals regardless of area...
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Need to develope a "canned" yet memorable keyword(s) to speak to the reps with. Anything pertaining to rooting is out. Like lets list here the most common ailments of our phone: mp3's skipping, battery jumping etc.
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Multiple soft reboots, weak wifi signals regardless of area...
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Extreme lag in key situations such as making a phone call and typing on your keyboard.
Could the title include 611?
If we push to the highest tech level & ask for a ref number.
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Extreme lag in key situations such as making a phone call and typing on your keyboard.
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Lemme list a set of issues I have told reps so far:
1. Music stutters like a ***** (Rephrase! Don't say ***** to the rep, especially if it is a lady! )
2. Battery bug
3. Many times the screen does NOT turn on after hanging up from a call. It isn't the case that the phone is turned off, I still here notifications for texts and emails. The screen doesn't wish to turn on. (I noticed this on CM7, so may be a CM7 issue, but still worth mentioning).
4. Screen automatically clicks icons even if I don't do anything. (Happened few times on CM7, but I think I observed this on stock as well.)
5. Lags like a ***** sometimes (rephrase!!!) So much so that it feels like a 300-600 MHz single core Windows Mobile 6 phone! !
6. Crappy/buggy video recording. Overall poor camera quality in low light! It is just pathetic, I say.
7. So far, on stock blur, I didn't find a trouble free, foolproof way to do voice recording. The voice recording ****s up when quitting the recorder app OR turning off the screen OR both. Even on CM7 I many apps fail. However, one app namely PCMRecorder works. But still it is too buggy to call as working well.
8. Many times, compass points in random/wrong directions when navigating using Maps (either transit, walking, biking or driving directions).
AND MANY MOOOOORREE...
Thanks litetaker,
I do think we ought to keep it to pre-leak stock problems. The screen blackout for example is a 2nd init only bug. Can we keep references to rooting & roms out?
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So after much thought about the issues we face from poor customer support at both verizon and moto and thinking of other instances in which the individual customer's voices fall on deaf ears... It comes to my thought, 'why don't we the customers, not just dx2, but all moto customers on xda that are tired, fed up and sick of all the ignorance up there rise up!' Not that we could actually go to the offices of moto and verizon. (though if people have the time, location, and desire go for it) But similar to bus boycotts of years past, or sit-ins at restaurants. What if we were to pass the word around, and then on a specific date, say the 16th of May, we all do whatever we can to talk to moto and verizon, ie: call customer service any moment we have, chat online when we're not to busy, email anyone we know there as often as we can. Just to talk about unlocking the bootloaders. Maybe after a day of taking all our complaints and seeing the numbers we actually represent, not to mention how this will bog down their infrastructure... Maybe they will hear us... After all there's nothing illegal about it and it has been proven an effective means to an end.
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I'm down
Who's gonna organize this?
litetaker said:
Lemme list a set of issues I have told reps so far:
1. Music stutters like a ***** (Rephrase! Don't say ***** to the rep, especially if it is a lady! )
2. Battery bug
3. Many times the screen does NOT turn on after hanging up from a call. It isn't the case that the phone is turned off, I still here notifications for texts and emails. The screen doesn't wish to turn on. (I noticed this on CM7, so may be a CM7 issue, but still worth mentioning).
4. Screen automatically clicks icons even if I don't do anything. (Happened few times on CM7, but I think I observed this on stock as well.)
5. Lags like a ***** sometimes (rephrase!!!) So much so that it feels like a 300-600 MHz single core Windows Mobile 6 phone! !
6. Crappy/buggy video recording. Overall poor camera quality in low light! It is just pathetic, I say.
7. So far, on stock blur, I didn't find a trouble free, foolproof way to do voice recording. The voice recording ****s up when quitting the recorder app OR turning off the screen OR both. Even on CM7 I many apps fail. However, one app namely PCMRecorder works. But still it is too buggy to call as working well.
8. Many times, compass points in random/wrong directions when navigating using Maps (either transit, walking, biking or driving directions).
AND MANY MOOOOORREE...
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Battery yes GAWD battery! How did I forget about that horrendous thing! Evernote does a wonderful job of keeping your voice recordings organized in the voice note section. The service has been invaluable to me as I have lots of ideas to keep track of and typing on a rocky bus is not easy
I've heard about the post call screen issues from more than a few people now, that should definitely be highlighted. It would scare me into not wanting take very many calls and I'd imagine the older, less-text messaging crowd would'nt lik it either.
A thought: I know many have contacted Moto or Verizon customer support and have been passed up the rep hierarchy time and again. To those who have, were you given any kind of extension to dial or the number of a particular department that could better answer your question? If we could all skip over general support somehow and concentrate on a more "effective" department, a critical mass of complaints could be reached and we would be passed further up the ladder; to a person(s) would could actually provide good, solid information.
Btw called Motorola support and heres how it went:
Me: expressing my concerns not really driving into the woman hard (please dont take that the wrong way lol)
Rep: Could you hold please?
Me: Sure :waits for 45 minutes: Hangs up phone
Didnt have time for that!!
May 16th and organizing
So I choose may 16th cause that's in about a month or so which should be plenty of time to notify all motorola users not just people on our phone but all the phones motorola claimed they'd unlock... Kinda like everyone uniting on a brute force of their customer service. As far as organization, it don't think it needs to be that elaborate. We tell everyone we can that owns a moto to call, im, email, or whatever to moto and verizon on that day as often as they can... If we can only get 5,000 people to participate and each of us makes 3 calls on that day for 3min. each that'd be 750 hrs of phone calls... That's got to raise some attention, not to mention cause a more then a few problems...
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So I choose may 16th cause that's in about a month or so which should be plenty of time to notify all motorola users not just people on our phone but all the phones motorola claimed they'd unlock... Kinda like everyone uniting on a brute force of their customer service. As far as organization, it don't think it needs to be that elaborate. We tell everyone we can that owns a moto to call, im, email, or whatever to moto and verizon on that day as often as they can... If we can only get 5,000 people to participate and each of us makes 3 calls on that day for 3min. each that'd be 750 hrs of phone calls... That's got to raise some attention, not to mention cause a more then a few problems...
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Ah I thought the date had some kind historical significance
Won't we crash something if we have that many people calling in. I mean it's not like I'm against mucking up Motorola. Actually, disregard the apprehension.
Let's destroy them
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4x4snowboard said:
So I choose may 16th cause that's in about a month or so which should be plenty of time to notify all motorola users not just people on our phone but all the phones motorola claimed they'd unlock... Kinda like everyone uniting on a brute force of their customer service. As far as organization, it don't think it needs to be that elaborate. We tell everyone we can that owns a moto to call, im, email, or whatever to moto and verizon on that day as often as they can... If we can only get 5,000 people to participate and each of us makes 3 calls on that day for 3min. each that'd be 750 hrs of phone calls... That's got to raise some attention, not to mention cause a more then a few problems...
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Yea that sounds like a great plan
I wasn't thinking there should be some big elaborate scheme to the whole thing
But some kind of organization to show Motorola that the customers WILL and CAN unite and become a force to be reckoned with.
Maybe include a start time at which point most people should really start their calls/emails.
Say maybe 7-9am(we will have to pick a timezone to base that on so everyone adjusts accordingly, my thoughts are to have it start between 7-9am where they are located.) That way pretty early in their work day all of a sudden within 15-30 minutes of the first few calls , their phone lines and emails suddenly explode into a furious action under "attack" causing them to wonder what the hell is going on, will frustrate them slightly and hopefully cause them to make a decision better suited to our wants/needs ...then continues all day long to rack up the total man hours spent on it. But I feel like an initiao BOOM of calls/emails to grab their attention would hopefully get them to realize the users have become completely fed up with the non existent customer relations
So when is it?
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ashclepdia said:
Yea that sounds like a great plan
I wasn't thinking there should be some big elaborate scheme to the whole thing
But some kind of organization to show Motorola that the customers WILL and CAN unite and become a force to be reckoned with.
Maybe include a start time at which point most people should really start their calls/emails.
Say maybe 7-9am(we will have to pick a timezone to base that on so everyone adjusts accordingly, my thoughts are to have it start between 7-9am where they are located.) That way pretty early in their work day all of a sudden within 15-30 minutes of the first few calls , their phone lines and emails suddenly explode into a furious action under "attack" causing them to wonder what the hell is going on, will frustrate them slightly and hopefully cause them to make a decision better suited to our wants/needs ...then continues all day long to rack up the total man hours spent on it. But I feel like an initiao BOOM of calls/emails to grab their attention would hopefully get them to realize the users have become completely fed up with the non existent customer relations
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^^^ I say we listen to this guy! He seems to have some knowledge when it comes to pissing people off!
Hello to all! :fingers-crossed:
As you know, HTC has decided not to pursue certain MAJ who were scheduled yet on our beloved models. I invite you to sign the petition on line for validate your displeasure by HTC company policy to its customers. Click "sign" [/ b]...
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/petitions-recovery-update-htc-flyer/
Here is another link to a petition for SHD posted...
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/give-us-ics/
Here is the text of the petition posted for the flyer:
Distinguished leaders marketing HTC,
We call out to date show you our dissatisfaction your decision not to propose to the SHIFT ICS (where possibly another) Obviously your ad had the effect of a Treason in the world to the owners of Tablet Flyer famous who have seen this act deliberate killing programmed from HTC.
Indeed, the Flyer is your only so far shelf and it will not be entitled to benefit from last improvements in google.
We do not understand your approach knowing that this product has one year old! From a customer relations standpoint, it is totally outrageous.
There may be a technical problem because the Developers are most certainly the height to solve some technical problems. If it turns out that this is a business decision, we think this is a huge mistake and that it wrong in the sense of logic, why private that a better enchant owners.
Other products have also seen a change radical from you.
We ask you to please rethink your decision on the judgment of the SHIFT shelf Flyer because it is your duty as provider mobile phone to offer the best services and follow-up to these clients to be missed manner most who follow you from the beginning.
The angry customers! ...
thank @+ Kacaouet
People...HTC is not obligated to provide us anything besides basic hardware/software support. They are not required to give us a upgrade, heck they aren't even required to give us bugfixes. When you buy a tablet or phone you are buying it with the current software load, meaning you need to make sure you are happy with what it runs and how it runs. Can we PLEASE stop beating this horse?
thewadegeek said:
People...HTC is not obligated to provide us anything besides basic hardware/software support. They are not required to give us a upgrade, heck they aren't even required to give us bugfixes. When you buy a tablet or phone you are buying it with the current software load, meaning you need to make sure you are happy with what it runs and how it runs. Can we PLEASE stop beating this horse?
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Hello,
It's your perspective and you've made, it is!
This is not the generality of people who think that, already after just seven months of existence, it simply removes purtement and the evolution of the tablet, this is not normal.
They are not obliged to provide it to us for free, okay, at least that we are proposing an alternative to évolution.
Knowing that the products were sold frozen and for the typical person, not necessarily easy to change OS as two shirts!
If you can afford to buy every two weeks, good for you and too bad for us ...
CDLT
@ + Kacaouet...
@thewadegeek:
As far as I recall, there is some kind of agreement between Google and the main manufacturers to give proper support/updates for products for at least 18 months after its initial release.
Now, as the HTC Flyer has been released < the mentioned 18 months I expect HTC to honor that agreement.
And please do not forget that the HC update was rubish and should not be called an update but a downgrade (as some features do not work (as well) as they did before).
If you would own a car, and for some reason they upgraded some kind of software @ the garage which resulted in non functioning blinkers/signal lights and you had to put your hand out of the the window everytime you are about to switch lanes or make a turn in order to warn the other drivers about your actions, would you accept that? I WANT MY HARDWARE BUTTONS BACK!!!
Everyone is free to make his voice heard and if you don't like topics like this one, than please .. by all means .. stay out.
Yucko said:
@thewadegeek:
As far as I recall, there is some kind of agreement between Google and the main manufacturers to give proper support/updates for products for at least 18 months after its initial release.
Now, as the HTC Flyer has been released < the mentioned 18 months I expect HTC to honor that agreement.
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It's SUPPORT not upgrade, and in no way does SUPPORT entail a UPGRADE.
And please do not forget that the HC update was rubish and should not be called an update but a downgrade (as some features do not work (as well) as they did before).
If you would own a car, and for some reason they upgraded some kind of software @ the garage which resulted in non functioning blinkers/signal lights and you had to put your hand out of the the window everytime you are about to switch lanes or make a turn in order to warn the other drivers about your actions, would you accept that? I WANT MY HARDWARE BUTTONS BACK!!!
Everyone is free to make his voice heard and if you don't like topics like this one, than please .. by all means .. stay out.
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First off I LIKED the upgrade, so you can't make a blanket statement calling it rubbish. The pen support with Honeycomb is pretty slick and I enjoy it. Second that's not a valid comparison, in that case they removed REQUIRED functionality, in this case they just replaced it with something else. And if you want your hardware buttons back then downgrade, or install Lee's Honeycomb. Viola. Your last statement is TOTALLY contradictory friend, first you says we can all make our voice heard, and then you tell me to stay out. Also the purpose of a forum is for discussion, you all seem to just want people to agree with you. I'm just getting tired with everyone starting a new petition or "HTC sucks" thread. If you feel betrayed then deal with it, HTC has done nothing legally wrong so everyone is stuck.
What are we talking about? What in the world is a SHIFT Flyer Ics? Is this a petition to ship Flyers with Need for Speed SHIFT on them? I'm confused
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Cor-master said:
What are we talking about? What in the world is a SHIFT Flyer Ics? Is this a petition to ship Flyers with Need for Speed SHIFT on them? I'm confused
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Lol. ( its just Google translate)
To all:
Something is not happening right. We are arguing on wrong issues. Some points I noticed and I would like to emphasise upon are:
1. Yeah they gave us honeycomb. But its not perfect. Chiefly the internet browsing experience. Internet is the soul of computers, tablets, smart phones, ipads etc. and we need a solid browser to experience it, which is not there. It leaves a lot to be desired considering:
a. Flyer has 1gb ram, a powerful processor, 1 GB system ROM, Enough Internal Memory
b. Initially it was sold for exorbitant price (700$+, though mine 32 gb, 3g cost $390)
c. It was told by Google about an year back that all devices should be supported till 18 months.
Yeah, flyer has beautiful features like pen, hd cams, srs, mhl out, brilliant screen, top battery. But it lacks a solid browsing experience. In my view what the majority of us want is a solid browsing experience. Now that comes with a HC update or ICS update will not matter to me.
Many people are talking of broken GPS. If its really broken, then its HTC's duty to repair it, not the developers'. If its not broken, we should forget about this issue. Now if someone says it requires just a change in config file to repair it, I agree to it but this small repair forces you to root and risk bricking.
On another note of doctorlirio campaign: he should not have raised the issue of GSM calls with HTC. HTC didn't give us calling functionality, xda did.
So, why we are always wanting better? Because it has become our need and habit to stay ahead and overcome the weaknesses of our devices. We can't stand any weakness in our devices. And for me, a solid browsing experience is my primary need where my flyer doesn't satisfy me fully. Whether its HTC or developers, we always want better for our devices.
( though opera mobile works a little better in browsing, but sometimes ( may be often) it also fails to function perfectly on high load web pages.)
Lastly, I feel that, its a little too late now for us to keep chasing HTC. ( though HTC is to blame for a weak internet browsing experience and those who paid exorbitant sums for buying this are even more right in blaming htc)
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Lol. ( its just Google translate)
To all:
Something is not happening right. We are arguing on wrong issues. Some points I noticed and I would like to emphasise upon are:
1. Yeah they gave us honeycomb. But its not perfect. Chiefly the internet browsing experience. Internet is the soul of computers, tablets, smart phones, ipads etc. and we need a solid browser to experience it, which is not there. It leaves a lot to be desired considering:
a. Flyer has 1gb ram, a powerful processor, 1 GB system ROM, Enough Internal Memory
b. Initially it was sold for exorbitant price (700$+, though mine 32 gb, 3g cost $390)
c. It was told by Google about an year back that all devices should be supported till 18 months.
Yeah, flyer has beautiful features like pen, hd cams, srs, mhl out, brilliant screen, top battery. But it lacks a solid browsing experience. In my view what the majority of us want is a solid browsing experience. Now that comes with a HC update or ICS update will not matter to me.
Many people are talking of broken GPS. If its really broken, then its HTC's duty to repair it, not the developers'. If its not broken, we should forget about this issue. Now if someone says it requires just a change in config file to repair it, I agree to it but this small repair forces you to root and risk bricking.
On another note of doctorlirio campaign: he should not have raised the issue of GSM calls with HTC. HTC didn't give us calling functionality, xda did.
So, why we are always wanting better? Because it has become our need and habit to stay ahead and overcome the weaknesses of our devices. We can't stand any weakness in our devices. And for me, a solid browsing experience is my primary need where my flyer doesn't satisfy me fully. Whether its HTC or developers, we always want better for our devices.
( though opera mobile works a little better in browsing, but sometimes ( may be often) it also fails to function perfectly on high load web pages.)
Lastly, I feel that, its a little too late now for us to keep chasing HTC. ( though HTC is to blame for a weak internet browsing experience and those who paid exorbitant sums for buying this are even more right in blaming htc)
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I came to that conclusion today about Web browsing actually. I wanted something that would be as useful as a laptop and Web browsing has never been stellar on it. And the best Android Web browser isn't available on it!
Senseless helps with browsing big time but unfortunately I still find myself grabbing the laptop and getting frustrated with the browser when I need to get something done.
As for everything else its perfect but the one thing I bought it for is its greatest weakness. I didn't buy it expecting any update, but I was hoping we'd get ics to fix the Web browsing. Web browsing is fully gpu accelerated in ics and my phone whether I'm running chrome or the stock htc browser is pc quality. The flyer is more akin to my old captivate.
Firefox might be the answer if they ever optimize it for tablets
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No.. this isn't actually a post about the Prime's problems... it's actually about how companies handle things when they screw up. A lot of people here seemed genuinely grateful for what Asus did postfacto... I'm not one of them because my bar is set higher. I expect more from the companies I buy from - well, when it's a $500 tablet anyway.
Here's an example of where the bar SHOULD be set.
A month or so ago, Google announced the Q - basically their version of the Roku or the AppleTV. Thing is, while it's innovative design, it kind of sucked at being an actual Internet appliance. Google admitted the Q was shipped too soon and had significant problems. They halted production.. and here's the kicker - everyone will get a free replacement. They don't even have to return the original. And if you preordered and haven't gotten yours, you get a free one.
Here's the letter they sent out:
We have an important update about your Nexus Q pre-order.
When we announced Nexus Q at Google I/O, we gave away devices to attendees for an early preview. The industrial design and hardware were met with great enthusiasm. We also heard initial feedback from users that they want Nexus Q to do even more than it does today. In response, we have decided to postpone the consumer launch of Nexus Q while we work on making it even better.
To thank you for your early interest, we'd like to extend the Nexus Q preview to our pre-order customers and send you a free device. If you had other items in your order, your credit card will be charged for those items only.
Your Nexus Q will be on its way soon and you will receive a notification and tracking number from Google Play when it ships.
The Nexus Q Team
So, they're giving away free replacements for everyone who has one - who got them for FREE... and everyone who preordered... also gets one for free.
They certainly didn't need to do this. Most people understood that the problems with the Q were relatively minor and most could be fixed with software upgrades... not to mention, the people who got theirs at Google IO didn't actually pay for them. Not an issue - not even a discussion point - Google wants to make sure you stay loyal and stick with them. Anything to make the customer happy. No attempt to try and gloss over the problem or shirk responsibility.
THAT'S customer service, amigos. No screwing around with buckshee hacks. No 'we didn't mean it when we said you have a GPS..'
That's the bar we should set and demand.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/31/3207482/nexus-q-consumer-launch-delayed
PS: You'll notice I'm here telling you how great Google is rather than being out there telling others how great Asus is? That's why it's important to encourage customer loyalty... And I don't even HAVE a Q (not available in this country).
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Nice story about google giving away expensive devices for free...
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To be fair to ASUS, Google is a $207Billion company with almost $40B a year in revenue. The future of the company is hardly riding on them making a profit on their Nexus Q, heck it could be that no one's job is even riding on it given their business situation. Asus on the other hand is like a $6B company in US funds. Google could absorb financial hits that would completely BK or force massive layoffs at many other companies (like ASUS) without blinking. I think ASUS blew it with their QA on recent units but they have made some effort to try to set things right.
You can demand and expect completely-out-of-touch-with-the-rest-of-the-industry replacement/recall policies but you'll probably disappointed most of your life. Even mighty Apple told people they were holding their phones wrong when Antennagate hit. It probably makes more sense to learn your lesson and just move on.
To be honest, I think the world has enough/too many $100B+ companies already.
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No.. this isn't actually a post about the Prime's problems... it's actually about how companies handle things when they screw up. A lot of people here seemed genuinely grateful for what Asus did postfacto... I'm not one of them because my bar is set higher. I expect more from the companies I buy from - well, when it's a $500 tablet anyway.
Here's an example of where the bar SHOULD be set.
A month or so ago, Google announced the Q - basically their version of the Roku or the AppleTV. Thing is, while it's innovative design, it kind of sucked at being an actual Internet appliance. Google admitted the Q was shipped too soon and had significant problems. They halted production.. and here's the kicker - everyone will get a free replacement. They don't even have to return the original. And if you preordered and haven't gotten yours, you get a free one.
Here's the letter they sent out:
We have an important update about your Nexus Q pre-order.
When we announced Nexus Q at Google I/O, we gave away devices to attendees for an early preview. The industrial design and hardware were met with great enthusiasm. We also heard initial feedback from users that they want Nexus Q to do even more than it does today. In response, we have decided to postpone the consumer launch of Nexus Q while we work on making it even better.
To thank you for your early interest, we'd like to extend the Nexus Q preview to our pre-order customers and send you a free device. If you had other items in your order, your credit card will be charged for those items only.
Your Nexus Q will be on its way soon and you will receive a notification and tracking number from Google Play when it ships.
The Nexus Q Team
So, they're giving away free replacements for everyone who has one - who got them for FREE... and everyone who preordered... also gets one for free.
They certainly didn't need to do this. Most people understood that the problems with the Q were relatively minor and most could be fixed with software upgrades... not to mention, the people who got theirs at Google IO didn't actually pay for them. Not an issue - not even a discussion point - Google wants to make sure you stay loyal and stick with them. Anything to make the customer happy. No attempt to try and gloss over the problem or shirk responsibility.
THAT'S customer service, amigos. No screwing around with buckshee hacks. No 'we didn't mean it when we said you have a GPS..'
That's the bar we should set and demand.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/31/3207482/nexus-q-consumer-launch-delayed
PS: You'll notice I'm here telling you how great Google is rather than being out there telling others how great Asus is? That's why it's important to encourage customer loyalty... And I don't even HAVE a Q (not available in this country).
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Well said! In my opinion they would gain a stronger customer base.
zenaxe said:
To be fair to ASUS, Google is a $207Billion company with almost $40B a year in revenue. The future of the company is hardly riding on them making a profit on their Nexus Q, heck it could be that no one's job is even riding on it given their business situation. Asus on the other hand is like a $6B company in US funds. Google could absorb financial hits that would completely BK or force massive layoffs at many other companies (like ASUS) without blinking. I think ASUS blew it with their QA on recent units but they have made some effort to try to set things right.
You can demand and expect completely-out-of-touch-with-the-rest-of-the-industry replacement/recall policies but you'll probably disappointed most of your life. Even mighty Apple told people they were holding their phones wrong when Antennagate hit. It probably makes more sense to learn your lesson and just move on.
To be honest, I think the world has enough/too many $100B+ companies already.
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Yeah, I would never expect a smaller company like ASUS to be able to do something like this. But, the Prime really is such a mess in my eyes that it would take something drastic to get me to buy another ASUS product. When you have a seemingly pretty faulty device combined with the absolute horrid customer support (19 days now they've had mine, still waiting for parts) you lose me as a customer. Granted, I also have a faulty ASUS motherboard in my computer, so I have another reason to never buy from them again since that's 2 for 2 of the ASUS products I've ever owned having issues.
If things are better on the Infinity as far as GPS, wifi, blu tooth, build quality (like rear cameras not breaking), then ASUS should just bite the bullet and kill the TF201 and give at least early adopters a trade in. That's what it would take to make me happy, and even then they would still have a huge problem with their repair service. But, at least I would have a better chance of not ever having to deal with them.
This would never happen with Asus not because of money but simply because they don't give a f*ck about their customers.
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This would never happen with Asus not because of money but simply because they don't give a f*ck about their customers.
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That's honestly how I feel, and I feel that way 100% because of their terrible customer support. I understand things go wrong especially in this fairly new market of Android tablets. That's the time for your customer service to shine. Instead, they show us how much they care about us by having the worst service I've ever heard of.
ASUS Customer service in not. They could give a rat ask about problems with the Prime.
It is not a matter of how big Google is versus Asus. It is simply doing what is right. The Prime is junk. Asus knows it is junk. Fix it, or replace it.
We paid $500 for this tablet and anyone with any common sense would expect value for their money.
It would appear that Sammy is taking a turn for the iWorse. or at least playing with the idea.
if this becomes a common practice for Samsung, I will stop purchasing their products. this kind of behavior usually drives away the tech-set (read as: us). who in turn do not encourage others to use the product.I can think of several dozen folk who turn to me for tech advice, as I would hazard is true for many people here. And in turn, those people recommend things to their friends, etc. I won't be able to recommend a product with this stance on third party products.
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/01/22...-working-on-galaxy-note-3-post-kitkat-update/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...t-on-the-note-3-but-there-is-a-root-solution/
discuss?
(this is also being discussed here.)
Eh, doesn't matter to me. But if I were Samsung I probably wouldn't care about other manufacturers taking away from my profits either.
kingdazy said:
It would appear that Sammy is taking a turn for the iWorse. or at least playing with the idea.
if this becomes a common practice for Samsung, I will stop purchasing their products. this kind of behavior usually drives away the tech-set (read as: us). who in turn do not encourage others to use the product.I can think of several dozen folk who turn to me for tech advice, as I would hazard is true for many people here. And in turn, those people recommend things to their friends, etc. I won't be able to recommend a product with this stance on third party products.
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/01/22...-working-on-galaxy-note-3-post-kitkat-update/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...t-on-the-note-3-but-there-is-a-root-solution/
discuss?
(this is also being discussed here.)
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Great read and thread, bro. At the moment this appears to be firmly ensconced in the realm of induction, which I like a lot. You could get excellent dialog or real crazy comments. I'm hoping we get a lot of both.
First, articles like these are fine examples of how some horrible and good ideas get vetted. Marketing folks love it, as it provides a crowdsourced focus group and costs nothing. You simply leak an idea through various channels, deny everything, and enjoy the harvest.
I personally like the idea of mobile accessories having to pass at least a minimal standard in order to get Sammy certified, but I loathe the idea of gimping it if it doesn't attain said standards. That retains the right of the consumer to purchase what he or she wants, and yet also gives (perhaps) some confidence to those wanting the certified accessory. If they go the certified and uncertified both work route, and it gins up sales for Sammy, good for them. There is plenty of precedent (those Intel Inside campaigns pretty much buried any real competition when they ran in the late 90s onward).
But I have to agree that, if this is true (it does have the appearance of plausibility), it royally sucks. Even if one 3rd-party charger or battery gets crippled, I have to say one must care, even if those same 3rd-party items aren't accessories you'd purchase, because there could be accessories in the pipeline that you would buy and also will get borked.
This most definitely is something that deserves watching. But it's still a tad early to be throwing them under the bus.
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I had an E4GT a few years ago, and loved it. When my contract was up I had a tough decision to make, Note 2 or iPhone 5. I went with the iPhone. Reason being, my computers are Mac, and I have an Apple Tv. The integration was flawless, it was so nice to have everything work together the way it should. Look where I am now. No more iPhone. No matter how perfect the symmetry, life is about choices. Take away my options and I will go elsewhere, not just because I like to tinker with things but, because if I am going to spend the money that I earn on a device then it should be up to me and me alone how I use that device. I don't know, maybe I'm still just a rebel at heart but, I don't want to be part of the Stepford clan.
Well at least now that it has come out that it was a bug/mistake, I know that I will sleep a bit better. I would have hated seeing Samsung going the Apple route...
It will only be Samsung and Apple that will run the "show" so they can do what ever they want and we cant do a damn thing about it..