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I am not familiar with android os, so i wanted to ask people who have some knowledge behind it a question.
What do you see improving with the thunderbolt when gingerbread gets released?
Do you think the thunderbolt will be able to improve its chances to still stand out against the dual-core phones with the help of 2.3?
I love my thunderbolt, it is my very first Android OS device and i am glad to be an early adopter of the 4g LTE network, i do personally feel that i put myself in a rough position because i chose a phone with a single core. Should i feel this way?
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No, single core is great.
1. Apps must be written to utilize dual core (the thunderbolt can be overclocked to 2ghz, which is much faster than needed)
2. Any phone you buy will be outdated in terms of current technology within 6 months. (Don't compare to other technology. Compare to apps you want to run. There are no foreseeable apps the thunderbolt can't run well)
Imho, dual core is currently just a gimmick to attract buyers and I don't think it will be necessary to own one for about 2 years.
I've used the attic, compared to thunderbolt you can't even notice a speed difference.
As for the usual bionic/thunderbolt debate. I believe the Ram is more important then dual core ATM. And if the bionic really only has 512, the thunderbolt will do perfectly fine stacked against it.
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the thunderbolt can be overclocked to 2ghz, aka the same speed as 1ghz dual core
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A 1GHz dual core processor is not 2GHz. Its 1GHz, both cores running at 500MHz.
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i've played with an Atrix before the TB came out. The dual core did nothing for it. My TB is noticeably faster than the Atrix was. Plus ATT 4G service is a joke.
As far as differences between 22 and 23, check this out:
http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-android-2-2-froyo-and-android-2-3-gingerbread/
Probably not alot to to write home about, but i def like the gingerbread keyboard over the froyo keyboard.
Ive never seen a dual core referred to as the speed of the 2 cores added. Every dual core I've heard of refers to the speed of the individual processors. ie, all the new ones (tegra 2, exynos, evo 3d snapdragon) have 2 cores each at 1 ghz
Leading to the equation:
2 x 1 ghz cores != 1 x 2 ghz core != 2 x 500 mhz cores
You have nothing to worry about. The snapdragon CPU is second generation with great performance and low power, and It's coupled with adreno 205 graphics which is very capable. Your phone with be high end for easily 1.5 years matching the other phones out there. I'm not too worried about dual core CPU's yet because no software is taking advantage of it yet. And android OS won't be updated to utilize dual core till version 2.4. So you have nothing to worry about.
Hell my nexus one I still find top notch in my opinion.
I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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papi92 said:
I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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Quad scores mean very little to the end user experience go buy a desktop PC.
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miketoasty said:
Quad scores mean very little to the end user experience go buy a desktop PC.
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Lol, no he meant the quad cores processors coming out like the Tegra 3.
He said quad core not quadrant scores.
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You have nothing to worry about. The snapdragon CPU is second generation with great performance and low power, and It's coupled with adreno 205 graphics which is very capable. Your phone with be high end for easily 1.5 years matching the other phones out there. I'm not too worried about dual core CPU's yet because no software is taking advantage of it yet. And android OS won't be updated to utilize dual core till version 2.4. So you have nothing to worry about.
Hell my nexus one I still find top notch in my opinion.
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Totally agree Roger. The real problem with dual core is Android software is not written to take full advantage of both cores. This was evident when I had a chance to play with my friends LG Optimus 2X. FPS was fantastic on nenamark averaging just below 80. All games in the Tegra zone played great. However, when it came to day to day stuff it lagged. For example, sometimes it took two swipes for the screen to register a touch. Web pages with heavy flash had awful load times.
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A 1GHz dual core processor is not 2GHz. Its 1GHz, both cores running at 500MHz.
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Uhh No. Its a Single Processor with 2 cores both running at 1ghz. none are run at 500 mhz.
and As for Quad Cores and Dual Cores, Im Loving the Battery life they are gonna bring to us. The Point isn't just performance but also low Energy Usage.
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I be worried about the quad cores coming out by the end of q3. That's what I want. I love my tb. I won it in a local contest and I still have my upgrade. Can you say win
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Win indeed sir. I'm a VZW employee and can upgrade every 9 months
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Can you imagine the epic tears that will flow for quad core battery issues?
... just sayin'
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Uhh No. Its a Single Processor with 2 cores both running at 1ghz. none are run at 500 mhz.
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+1
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And while applications might not be specifically written for dual core, the OS is. That alone provides some improvement.
But whatever. Our processor will be fine for quite some time.
And correct, a 1GHz dual core runs at 2x1GHz, not 2x500Mhz
Anyway we're not going to see gingerbread here for at least 4 months
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As for the OP, I don't think enough improvements from 2.2-2.3 are going to be done to make it the same as an optimized dual core. Also, I don't think stock HTC Sense 2.3 will have much of a visual difference than stock 2.2 Sense. Once the 2.3 update comes out, I'll probably still stick with a custom ROM that is 2.2 until the 2.3 custom ROM's come out.
What I hope that HTC fixes is the GPS issues. The "fix" that is in the development forum (turning off Google Location Services) has worked wonders for me, but I'm hoping HTC just fixes it in a firmware or software update sometime in the future.
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Anyway we're not going to see gingerbread here for at least 4 months
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Gb is reportedly hitting thunderbolt in q2!
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OK I'm not trying to be a benchmark junkie but after upgrading to P3's GB and freezing up all the useless crap I have been getting Quadrant scores between 2400-2500. I've noticed other members running the same setup running 2800+ and was just curious if there is something that I'm missing that is bottlenecking my performance. Any ideas?
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I also get 2400-2500.
I think people just exaggerate.
I'm getting 2400-2500 on the stock, unrooted, bloated update.
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Makes sense. Guess I'm good to go
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I also get about 2500 on rooted gb.
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you can also "trick" quadrant.
For example run it twice in a row in quick succession. Your second run will always be a little higher.
Or kill 3g and data and run it. It will vary sometimes upwards of 600-700 points
I got 2900 with rooted debloated GB running Zeam launcher. Also have 200mb at any given time.
I have heard that quadrant is junk for benching GB.
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Somewhere Between 2,500-2,700 Peak Is 2,8xx.
3UR0TR45H said:
I got 2900 with rooted debloated GB running Zeam launcher. Also have 200mb at any given time.
I have heard that quadrant is junk for benching GB.
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Also depends on the amount of apps you have installed I got 2800 debloated and no installed apps after I installed my 200apps I get around 2600
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Quadrant only shows 1 core, try smartbench
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I get 2700+. 2.3.3 rooted. Adw launcher ex. No bloat removed. All my apps downloaded and setup
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With Quadrant I usually get 2400-2500 first run, up to 2800+ after a few runs with rooted Gingerbread, with my normal background apps running, with some unwanted Blur stuff frozen.
That's a heck of a lot better than with the stock 2.2.2 Froyo, I'd get between 1800-2100 with that.
Smartbench:
~2700 Productivity (consistently)
~2600 Gaming (consistently)
Try Antutu benchmark. It's known to be more accurate and stricter
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Try Antutu benchmark. It's known to be more accurate and stricter
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Ever Since I Got My Phone No Matter What Antutu Gets Half Way Thru Then Just Stops.
you device (droid x2. 1.0ghz) 3098
(android 2.3.3, stock rom) 2612
I did an AnTuTu Benchmark.. got 4564.
Pre-Rooted 2.3.3, debloated, and loaded with alot of programs.
I got a 2924 using SmartBench...
X2- Rooted/Eclipse 1.2 RC3
Fully setup with all aps....
TheMavic said:
OK I'm not trying to be a benchmark junkie but after upgrading to P3's GB and freezing up all the useless crap I have been getting Quadrant scores between 2400-2500. I've noticed other members running the same setup running 2800+ and was just curious if there is something that I'm missing that is bottlenecking my performance. Any ideas?
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Try going to 2.3.4 and rooting/debloating that...p3's update.zip we have is 2.3.3 rooted...2.3.4 runs great for me very snappy...I actually keep going back to stock lol
I am getting 2900-3100 with quadrant (highest 3111) and 4815 with antutu. I am running eclipse 1.2 with 0vermind's speedy v6 script and sdcard speed app. Also I'm running launcher pro plus.
Consistent 2990 on Quadrant. It only varies by a few points after several runs.
Rooted, running a mix of Speedy and navendrobs scripts. ADW Launcher and WhatsApp running along with DoubleTwist.
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http://sourceforge.net/projects/photon4g.motorola/files/PHOTON-4G/4.5.1A-1_SUN-154/
Time to do work.
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I have never been more happier for any kernel source release than I am right now, this is freakin awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's show those 3vo guys just how badass this phone really is!!
Time to kick some ass fellas!!
-DJ
Woot woot. And this does have to do with development Now for some undervolting and overclocking!
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Nice!
This is going to be freakin awesome !!!
Holy Crap I am so glad I signed on before bed!
Thats wat up now Motorola can get back to how they were before now they let samsung and htc steal the shine im a moto-guy since droid 1 hell the razor but now its on
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Lets just see what kind overclocks you guys can get. I'm thinking 1.4-1.6
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I'm more excited about battery savings from underclocking
brianez21 said:
I'm more excited about battery savings from underclocking
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That's good I underclock my nexus or run oxygen rom if Im going to have a busy day out where I won't be near a charger but everybody knows the real competition comes from the overclock and test scores
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Think I've seen the asus transformer to 1.5 ghz. Thats tegra 2 also.
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I'm more interested in undervolting, and other tweaks, in order to keep performance at same clock speed.
However, once in Webtop mode, I'll take any overclocking and nitro my phone can withstand for relatively longer, continuous sessions.
Before we bust a nut, is it confirmed the package includes kernel source ?
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I continually ran my Epic at 1.4ghz, with little to no snags, so if we can't get at least 1.5ghz, this phone goes back to Sprint!!!
Nerorising said:
I continually ran my Epic at 1.4ghz, with little to no snags, so if we can't get at least 1.5ghz, this phone goes back to Sprint!!!
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My nexus is at 1.4 steady min and Max. Lol I want pure performance. I'm hitting 3800 quadrant 34 mflops
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Nerorising said:
I continually ran my Epic at 1.4ghz, with little to no snags, so if we can't get at least 1.5ghz, this phone goes back to Sprint!!!
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Im pretty sure it can
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My Iconia tab has the same processor and can overclock to 1,646,000. I run it at 1,400,000 and it's completely stable.
beartrap said:
My Iconia tab has the same processor and can overclock to 1,646,000. I run it at 1,400,000 and it's completely stable.
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So its safe to say it should 99.9% sure hit at least 1.6 ghz not bad, not bad at all
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Jorge330823 said:
So its safe to say it should 99.9% sure hit at least 1.6 ghz not bad, not bad at all
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But isn't the ATRIX a tegra 2? They have yet to get it stable at 1.2 ghz from what I can see. But I see the XOOM at 1.5....strange
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phyba said:
But isn't the ATRIX a tegra 2? They have yet to get it stable at 1.2 ghz from what I can see. But I see the XOOM at 1.5....strange
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And that dude a post up from mine had his at 1.4 stable. I think its just an atrix issue. Not the processor.
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Jorge330823 said:
And that dude a post up from mine had his at 1.4 stable. I think its just an atrix issue. Not the processor.
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Yea. Its just weird because the g2x is at 1.5 as well. I wonder if its safe to say that the photon will be able to match it
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Why the g2x had SO MUCH better benchmark scores now before anyone says I'm *****ing know that I'm not I'm just asking why 2 phones with the same processors have such diff scores the photon NEVER goes over 60 fps in quadrant but the g2x gets like 100+ and out had 1080p video recording like wtf was motorola thinking sprints best motorola phone is average now a data now I'm just asking why cause that's really annoying but honestly this is just a question not *****ing again
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because moto blur takes up more processing power ALSO the the photon has a 1ghz dual core and teh e4gt has a 1.2 ghz dual core. same ram i believe... but honestly until internet speeds are crazy increaded and battery life is maximized idc they all run around the same speed imo.
I think the G2X uses a different cpu/gpu.
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I think the G2X uses a different cpu/gpu.
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No the g2x uses the tegra 2 same thing
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I think it's software Optimization.
Its almost the same spec,and maybe our photon dont use its full power to conserve battery? Like shut down one core or something?
another viewpoint its the drivers.
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Motorola has qHD resolution, so the gpu has to push 25% more pixels.
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Isn't g2x stock vanilla android? That makes a world of difference
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I thought it used hummingbird processor
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No the g2x uses the tegra 2 same thing
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The MoPho runs circles around the POS!
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Gh0zt718 said:
Why the g2x had SO MUCH better benchmark scores now before anyone says I'm *****ing know that I'm not I'm just asking why 2 phones with the same processors have such diff scores the photon NEVER goes over 60 fps in quadrant but the g2x gets like 100+ and out had 1080p video recording like wtf was motorola thinking sprints best motorola phone is average now a data now I'm just asking why cause that's really annoying but honestly this is just a question not *****ing again
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One of the things that throws of the result is the nonstandard resolution of the Photon. This odd screen size requires scaling be used to run most benchmarks full screen. On an unscaled Smartbench run the scores are much higher than scaled and are fairly close to the GSII NVidia.
Gh0zt718 said:
No the g2x uses the tegra 2 same thing
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There are three different CPU's used in the GSII (NVidia, Samsung, Qualcomm). The benchmarks vary with the Qualcomm being the bottom of the list.
Grand theft auto 3 coming dec 15
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Doubt it, all of the listed devices have dual core processors and/or really high level specs. we could probably make it run but I doubt it would be very playable.
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games on my fascinate ran smoother than on my dx2 I bet it willbe
Tap'n on miui incredible 2
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games on my fascinate ran smoother than on my dx2 I bet it willbe
Tap'n on miui incredible 2
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The galaxy s line has a better GPU than the droid x or x2. The x2 has a better processor than this phone but not as good of a gpu so the difference would lean towards this. But for a game as intensive as that, you would need both a high end processor and a good gpu to make it run well. Im not saying our phone wont be able to handle it at all, but if it is installable for us then it will likely be a mediocre experience.
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