Would this be possible once its implemented through a dev mod of froyo? I was bummed out to hear that tmobile its planning on charging us for something that should be standard when froyo his our phones. Anyone have any thoughts or direct me to a response if this was previously asked?
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Spazzvogel said:
Would this be possible once its implemented through a dev mod of froyo? I was bummed out to hear that tmobile its planning on charging us for something that should be standard when froyo his our phones. Anyone have any thoughts or direct me to a response if this was previously asked?
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where you hear that from? link? Would like to read up on it as well.
Spazzvogel said:
Would this be possible once its implemented through a dev mod of froyo? I was bummed out to hear that tmobile its planning on charging us for something that should be standard when froyo his our phones. Anyone have any thoughts or direct me to a response if this was previously asked?
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unless you pay them to do it with their app (or however they plan to implement it), how would they know you are tethering?
all the ways be have been tethering in now we should still be able to use to my knowledge...
someone correct me if im worng
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unless you pay them to do it with their app (or however they plan to implement it), how would they know you are tethering?
all the ways be have been tethering in now we should still be able to use to my knowledge...
someone correct me if im worng
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Sorry for thr 2x post. From what I read they monitor usage upto 5gs. Then they throttle your speed down. Now question is will this be the same after Froyo? Will they just remove mobile ap like they did in eclair?
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Sorry for thr 2x post. From what I read they monitor usage upto 5gs. Then they throttle your speed down. Now question is will this be the same after Froyo? Will they just remove mobile ap like they did in eclair?
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It's all about options, you can rely on OTA update, and keep your phone pristine stock condition (software-wise) and pay the provider, or you can root, forget about OTA, load a custom ROM and make the most out of your hardware and software and do not pay the provider (just support your devs!) - just be a man enough to admit you fessed up when the things go south.
It's up to you, but remember you have a choice unlike other guys using other mobile phone system(s).
I actually work at T-Mo, as far as I know they only way to honestly "Stop" the tethering is to throttle you at 5GB(not really stop, just slow you to below dial-up speed)... I know that we aren't supposed to tell people they can still tether without the feature, but it is possible from what I have seen... I'm looking for a way to bypass it as well.
As soon as the Vibrant gets support Officially for the Netflix app everyone should start flooding T-mobile or whoever ur SP is and complain, complain, complain about hitting the cap. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it
*EDIT* I think I misunderstood the OP so my post may not be relevant to this thread, sorry. But I'm not deleting it I believe its important none the less.
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I'm worried because I recently flashed to obsidian and I've been using wifi calling. I'm worried that tmobile can see that I've been using wifi calling, and wifi calling is only available for 2.2 and hasn't been released to the vibrant yet. So if they see that I've been using wifi calling they will know that I have 2.2 on my phone. So what I'm trying to find out is if T-Mobile can see if i use wifi calling and if I have anything to worry about when calling T-Mobile because of wifi calling??
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How will they know your rooted? Is it not an app that can be sideloaded? As for me I don't really care, I voided my warranty long ago and if I had to take my phone back how would I explain that hole where my ffc is? I figure if my phone is really that screwed up I will pay just pay the deductible for the insurance. I guess that's the price you pay for heavily Modding your device.
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Well the way they would see I'm rooted is because wifi calling is only available for android 2.2. Android 2.2 hasn't been released for the vibrant yet.
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Cpl.Garcia18 said:
Well the way they would see I'm rooted is because wifi calling is only available for android 2.2. Android 2.2 hasn't been released for the vibrant yet.
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you don't have to be rooted to doin flash (or to even boot into clockwork for that matter)
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you don't have to be rooted to doin flash (or to even boot into clockwork for that matter)
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But you do have to be rooted to flash the recovery in the first place.
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But you do have to be rooted to flash the recovery in the first place.
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no, you don't.
1. put update.zip on sdcard root
2. boot into recovery and reinstall packages
3. ??????????
4. PROFIT!
I do this all the time when flashing back to JFD stock. i leave the clockwork update.zip on my sdcard, and before it can even boot into the stock JFD rom, i load clockwork.
Short answer: no. you are paranoid.
Long answer: no.
Why would it even matter if T-Mobile knows you are rooted? It isn't like they are going to charge you for WiFi calling. You use your minutes when you make a WiFi call anyways...
I have to agree with the above poster. Even if for some wild reason an employee of T-Mobile did find out you were rooted, so what? They're never going to, but I fail to see the logic behind this thread. Even if they did, what does it matter? The beauty of open source is that it's open, and you can do whatever you want with your phone. Has anyone specifically told you that you weren't allowed to mod your phone and/or use wifi calling? If not, then what are you worried about?
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Short answer: no. you are paranoid.
Long answer: no.
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^ +1
And to help the OP, It ceased be illegal to root your phone a while back.
Forgive the link to an outside source but here is the engadget coverage
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/26/library-of-congress-adds-dmca-exception-for-jailbreaking-or-root/
So as long as you obtain a legal source to do it ( and since open source is largely a free market ) you are well within your rights to root your phone...
As for WIFI calling, IMHO this treads a grey zone... the app while not intended for your phone currently is planned for the vibrant, and the app works as intended... IE you use your own minutes to place a wifi call, so T-MO isnt losing on the revenue. It may be a grey zone but I think you are safely on the light side of it.
A handful of my co-workers on various Verizon Android phones were saying that Gingerbread updates stop tethering apps from working, even if rooted and side-loaded.
I would like to try CM7 since it just released, but I can't lose my tethering! Am I worrying about nothing?
I'm using WiFi tether on CM7 and it works fine. You shouldn't have to worry since CM7 is not built by Verizon or anything, so they can't block tethering apps in the OS.
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I'm using WiFi tether on CM7 and it works fine. You shouldn't have to worry since CM7 is not built by Verizon or anything, so they can't block tethering apps in the OS.
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Good to hear! I'll probably give CM7 a whirl once it's stable.
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I'm using WiFi tether on CM7 and it works fine. You shouldn't have to worry since CM7 is not built by Verizon or anything, so they can't block tethering apps in the OS.
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Can you link the wifi tether you use please, and let me know if you changed any settings. I'm rocking MIUI, not sure if that matters or not but doesn't hurt to try.
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j33zy said:
Can you link the wifi tether you use please, and let me know if you changed any settings. I'm rocking MIUI, not sure if that matters or not but doesn't hurt to try.
Thanks
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I'm using this WiFi tether app: http://android-wifi-tether.googlecode.com/files/wifi_tether_v3_1-beta2.apk
Once installed, I went to the settings, and changed the Device-Profile to Google NexusOne. Works great and it shouldn't matter if it's CM7 or MIUI.
I'm on the newest miui using wifi tether app with no problems
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A handful of my co-workers on various Verizon Android phones were saying that Gingerbread updates stop tethering apps from working, even if rooted and side-loaded.
I would like to try CM7 since it just released, but I can't lose my tethering! Am I worrying about nothing?
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They are blocking tethering on stock roms, so if you are running CM7/MIUI etc you will be fine.
You may have to sideload. Verizon asked Google to hide certain apps, like PDAnet, from the market. This violates their net neutrality agreement, and they are being sued over it. Verizon stock updates are also set to tattle on you if you tether. If running touchwiz, I believe you need a modified kernel with dummy tether.
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For devices the Verizon is giving an official Gingerbread build, they are slipping in ways to disable Wireless Tether. It's also hidden in the market, but it's easy to find an APK to install yourself. However, if you're running Gingerbread on the fascinate, you're doing it on a custom ROM, which doesn't have that nasty bit of Verizon code.
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For devices the Verizon is giving an official Gingerbread build, they are slipping in ways to disable Wireless Tether. It's also hidden in the market, but it's easy to find an APK to install yourself. However, if you're running Gingerbread on the fascinate, you're doing it on a custom ROM, which doesn't have that nasty bit of Verizon code.
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I am 99% certain I know the answer to this, but I just want to be 100% sure;
I am running SuperClean 3 Milestone 1, TW Launcher, and KGB Kernel with Voodoo enabled on my Fascinate. I just installed http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/detail?name=wireless_tether_2_0_7.apk, but haven't tried it yet. Is Verizon going to know if I am tethering with this configuration?
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I think it honestly depends.
If you are using it to seach the web and do basic surfing than i dont think it matters to them.
If you start streaming Netflicks at HD quality or Bit Torrents [heavy bandwidth], they might suspect something.
I have used both the wifi tether and barnacle on ICS and GB for quick and dirty usage and i have never had VZW say a thing to me.
That is just my personal experience.
My $0.02:
I am running SC3 Milestone 2 and the KGB FA16 Kernel and have had no trouble tethering with my tablet or laptop using wifi tether 3.1 Beta 6.
You can pick your Beta flavor for the app using the link CCampos provided.
I have not tethered. Though I want to. (Hotspot feature) don't want Verizon to suspect something and then charge me.
Can't they charge me if they find out?
If I'm running CM7, will they still know?
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I have not tethered. Though I want to. (Hotspot feature) don't want Verizon to suspect something and then charge me.
Can't they charge me if they find out?
If I'm running CM7, will they still know?
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My (very limited) understanding as of right now is that a custom ROM alone is not enough to keep Verizon in the dark. A think you need a custom kernel as well to be safe, and never use the Verizon hot spot app. Am I right?
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All other discussion aside, clockwork mod has put a new app out that allows usb tethering without root on any ROM and can not be blocked by any carrier. Just search cwm or clock work mod in the market
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All other discussion aside, clockwork mod has put a new app out that allows usb tethering without root on any ROM and can not be blocked by any carrier. Just search cwm or clock work mod in the market
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Maybe Verizon can't block you from tethering with this app, but can they monitor if you are? And then hit you with a charge later, or drop you from service?
My. 02 cents.....I use an App called Open Garden Wifi with no problems at all.
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Just throwing this out there: I've never seen any *confirmed* reports of Verizon retroactively charging customers for "illegal" tethering, or ending your service/contract. Not sure why people get so worried about getting caught, it's not like the phone police are gonna come take you to jail.
If I'm wrong on this and Verizon is in fact charging those who tether (who don't pay Verizon's tethering charge) or terminating their contracts, I'd love to see evidence to the contrary.
I ran up 18 gb last month. From Xbox live and other teathering because its my only access. Never have issues.
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My. 02 cents.....I use an App called Open Garden Wifi with no problems at all.
+1 to this. Best tethering app imo
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See here for info: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-rootkit-of-all-evil-ciq/
It sounds like there is a high chance this is installed in the fascinate. Does anyone know any more info regarding our phones? Do any of our roms besides the AOSP/MTD ROMS have it removed?
I think ported roms from the mesmerize have it removed. Though I could be wrong
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Someone should petition change.gov about this bull crap
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This is actually a very good question I would love for somebody with the know how aka jt or the glitch guys to let us know. I'm willing to bet aosp roms have it removed while touchwiz roms have it
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This is actually a very good question I would love for somebody with the know how aka jt or the glitch guys to let us know. I'm willing to bet aosp roms have it removed while touchwiz roms have it
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hard to say of even aosp has it removed. The article states that it resides in the ram itself and is almost undetectable. Someone should bring this to jt's attention. I would but am driving and mostly using speech to text. :0.. If no one has later i will
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I am using the Touchwiz Superclean ROM and I don't think it's there. I looked through "All applications" in the settings menu and there was no mention of iq anywhere. TrevE also wrote an app to detect it and it didn't appear to find CIQ on my ROM. Let me know what you all find.
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I am using the Touchwiz Superclean ROM and I don't think it's there. I looked through "All applications" in the settings menu and there was no mention of iq anywhere. TrevE also wrote an app to detect it and it didn't appear to find CIQ on my ROM. Let me know what you all find.
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I can't seem to download his apk. When i try my phone downloads "attachment-2.php
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I just ran this on CM7.1 with Glitch v13 and no CIQ files were detected fwiw
"I didn't say that...my Fascinate has a tiny troll inside it."
The app that TrevE wrote was meant for the Evo 3D and other HTC phones, so I wouldn't trust the results.
The bottom line here, fellas, is that without doing a butt-ton of work to find the traces of these files, we have no idea if this program is there or not. This article seems to make me think that Carrier IQ was included, even in previous AOSP Roms.
I personally am not going to worry about it too much. I know people want their privacy and all, but there is so much of this going on that privacy is just an idea now-a-days.
Just my 2 cents.
The following was just tweeted by droid_life:
"Oh lord. So today's rumor is that the Galaxy Nexus is delayed on Verizon because of Carrier IQ? #massivefacepalm"
"And when I say facepalm, that's because Verizon doesn't use Carrier IQ and no way in hell would a Nexus have it. Come on folks"
Also, this was posted...
So, in short, no. Carrier IQ is not on our phones.
Just an additional +1, I ran TrevE's Logging Test App (link) on my stock ED05 Fascinate today and the CIQ Check turned up nothing.
According to Gizmodo No Verizon phones have the Carrier IQ on them
http://gizmodo.com/5864116/these-are-the-phones-were-pretty-sure-dont-have-carrier-iq
I found out more about CIQ:
The Shocking Truth behind Carrier IQ
xwhofarted said:
According to Gizmodo No Verizon phones have the Carrier IQ on them
http://gizmodo.com/5864116/these-are-the-phones-were-pretty-sure-dont-have-carrier-iq
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I saw that but just wanted to double check
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xwhofarted said:
According to Gizmodo No Verizon phones have the Carrier IQ on them
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Nice! Verizon being in the right, for once.
solidus123 said:
Nice! Verizon being in the right, for once.
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Verizon might have something worse, like, say, LowIQ
Has anyone seen John Connor?
Verizon may have something similar in place. Anyone know what keytracer is? http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/muqq4/so_amidst_all_of_the_ciq_hullabaloo_i_checked_my/
I have a small echo-like noise now that I hear during phone calls on my phone. I think it is a hardware issue because I don't hear it on my bluetooth headset. I called Verizon 800 number the other night because I was wondering about the 4G outage and mentioned my audio problem while I was on the phone with her. She said if I call back from another phone, tech support would connect to my Thunderbolt and troubleshoot the audio problem, and if its unfixable they would send me another Thunderbolt.
I am wondering if I need to unroot before I do this....would tech support be able to tell if my phone was rooted and thus void the warranty and not be able to do anything for me? What should I do?
Bare minimum I'd install the stock rom on there, I don't believe they would dig far enough to see if fastboot is unlocked.
As for the title question Yes, they can tell if rooted.
I don't think they can tell Cuz I called yesterday Cuz my screen is messing up they called me back on another line and wanted me to do a factory reset but didn't know that I was already on GB
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As for the title question Yes, they can tell if rooted.
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Tell us how
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Tell us how
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The only thing I can think of, and I'm no expert or anything so this is just a guess, is that they could look at the software version of the phone, and if it isn't the latest, or a previous release for this phone, then they could speculate that you are rooted, though I don't think that alone would hold up in court if it ever came to that.
When the support rep told the OP that they would "connect to my Thunderbolt and troubleshoot the audio problem", I think they were going by the standard "don't call tech support from the phone that's having the issue" practice.
Can they remotely connect to our phones ? I wasn't aware that they could.
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As for the title question Yes, they can tell if rooted.
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Over the phone? Absolutely Not
Correct, that's what they said ("don't call tech support from the phone that's having the issue" practice.)
So should I still unroot to be safe before I call them or no....
What ROM are you using ?
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If you want to be on the safe side, make a nand backup, flash a stock ROM, call them, then restore the backup. I'll pretty sure they can't tell if you have a custom recovery.
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Don't know how they do it, (simple user here) and not the first time I've seen this asked or answered. If you're bored jump on every TB forum your on and I'm sure you'll find your curiosity satisfied. Maybe it was on BAMF? I could care less how they do it. (No ins here) Call technical support and ask them what rom your on and how dare they know that.
via my mind while guzzling beer.
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Over the phone? Absolutely Not
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On the device in question, yes, why not... again I don't care and was just offering what I've read.
via my mind while guzzling beer.
I'm on many forums similar to this, including Team Bamf, rootzwiki, etc and haven't read anything like this.
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What ROM are you using ?
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Liquid AOSP 3.2.
I unrooted just to be safe and the tech rep never said anything and I got them to send me a new sim card and if that doesn't solve my problem (which I don't think it will), then they will send me a new thunderbolt.
When I rooted again after the phone call it wouldn't let me restore my rom and I got stuck in a boot loop. Luckily I had rom zip's on my sd card, so I installed one from scratch, reflashed cwm via rom mgr again, then it let me restore it.
Very weird, and I was terrified I jacked my phone up.
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I'm on many forums similar to this, including Team Bamf, rootzwiki, etc and haven't read anything like this.
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Hmm keep looking, I won't be at a pc till tomorrow maybe. But like I said I have no way to confirm only what I've read which is what I do. And that was second hand information. As most of this is. I'm really trying to remember because I know these site searching's are lacking at best.
I just recently used to work for at&t customer care and if vzw is anything like them, the only way they can maybe tell is if you have an unlimited data plan plus unofficial tethering app. Or if you send it in for warranty/Asurion replacement. Otherwise i don't really see how they could see in any way if it was rooted
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I just recently used to work for at&t customer care and if vzw is anything like them, the only way they can maybe tell is if you have an unlimited data plan plus unofficial tethering app. Or if you send it in for warranty/Asurion replacement. Otherwise i don't really see how they could see in any way if it was rooted
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That is understandable, thank you. Still gotta get to my pc. I know people have called in on their rooted devices for certain reasons and been called out only to deny. And of course unroot before going in. For whatever reason. Sticking to it.
That's why I asked what ROM. A support rep could simply tell the person to read them a version # that will be different than "stock".
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That's why I asked what ROM. A support rep could simply tell the person to read them a version # that will be different than "stock".
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this is true, didn't think about that. You could always just write the stock version number before flashing to be safe
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Just curious as to what everyone uses to tether over wifi? I tried barnacle but my tablet won't find the network, barnacle works fine on my attic but not the S2. Any particular reason?
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Just curious as to what everyone uses to tether over wifi? I tried barnacle but my tablet won't find the network, barnacle works fine on my attic but not the S2. Any particular reason?
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I just use whats already included in UnNamed (same as stock) for wifi/usb tethering.
d3athsd00r said:
Just curious as to what everyone uses to tether over wifi? I tried barnacle but my tablet won't find the network, barnacle works fine on my attic but not the S2. Any particular reason?
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You shouldn't need an app
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I've just seen a lot of people get caught that way which is why I didn't want to do that.
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I've just seen a lot of people get caught that way which is why I didn't want to do that.
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Its honestly about how much data you end up using, if you go crazy and start using 50gb then they will want to switch you.
They give warnings before they do anything and they are starting to throttle people after a certain point.
You can try this for USB Tethering - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424676
He claims to found a way to hide it but they still know how much data you use.
Basically, don't use a desktop browser. It's one of the #1 ways to get the tether police on your ass. People are getting nastygrams after only using the "desktop useragent" feature of Dolphin HD 2-3 times.
Otherwise, native tethering (remove TetheringManager2.apk if on a stock ROM) works best. Only one that isn't adhoc.
OK. So I was in iHell for a few years and got pretty good with the file system/ jailbreaking. So I've since been paroled (from Jail-breaking :l ) and PRESTO!!! Im a noob again.
Im still debating on flashing but im gonna root for sure. I need to check my facts here. I can root via any mentioned method. I'll need to install titanium (?) to freeze that network check to use the native hotspots. (The name of that file escapes me but I can search it up later)
Anything else for now? Is busybox worth it?
On a semi-related note, I've not had multiple ROMs available to me. What's the benifit to other Roms? I mean what does CM have that stock doesn't? Is there a break down or spread sheet to compare capabilities?
This may sound goofy, but I can already do everything that I wanted my old iPhone to do on stock, but if flashing will bring more, cooler, and
as yet unimagined toys to my newly Android enriched life, I'm all about flashing. What say you XDA?
Sorry for the long post. Caffeine makes me type a lot.
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Well follow the guide inn general about how to flash custom binaries, it'll help. Also, most rooms take care of the tetheringmanager2.apk sup you don't need to do anything else, it works out of the box. Make sure to use a mobile user agent while browsing, and you should be fine.
As a starting point, I suggest unnamed or icscrewed (both roms I've personally tried and that both are great)
The most common side effect of having a custom ROM is the desire to show it off, awesome battery life, good support and limitless customization. Just read before you do anything and you'll be golden.
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