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According to what I have been reading in this forum and X10-related sites, people expect SE to pack the latest technology into their flagship phones. I used to think of it this way too but unfortunately after having the X1 and X10 the experience was disappointing Then I questioned myself whats the true reason I bought them
The look
Yeap any SE phones that you can think of right now, their design is always outstanding. This is the image the company is trying to create to the public; to win the beauty award among competitors in market. If you want to buy a slick-looking phones your best bet is SE, they're damn good at it. People like good looking stuff that is why their phones still sell. But as a practical person you know looks aren't everything. SE's target market are probably the youngsters, who change their phones more frequent than other age ranges.
In a stereotypically point of view, SE phones are blondes.
So if SE has never had the intention to create a cutting-edge phone, its not their fault. If you're an X10 user who are currently not happy with how SE isn't doing a good job on the hardware/software department and keep up with the updates etc, blame yourself for not being able to get passed the look of the phone.
After seeing xperia phones' performance, it has become pretty clear to me that SE phones are not the choice for people who like to keep up with the latest technology and expect high performance from their phones. And SE are also not the best listener who will change their plan to meet our demands, because that is not the company's goal. As long as SE are still selling their phones it's very unlikely that they will repositioning themselves on the market.
Personally SE phones are now out of my list. They simply aren't future-proof enough and eol too quickly.
the new xperia Arc is pretty good
thumbs up.
Since part of it is Sony, I expect a good multimedia player. In fact, this is why I chose her instead of Google Nexus One.
I did extensive research and found out that the music player wasn't really that good
And when I saw Mediascape, I told myself she's the one for me!
Granted, the absence of an equalizer control is abit of a disappointment, but well, you win some, you lose some =/
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the new xperia Arc is pretty good
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Two 'good's i can think of the arc
'Good' Looking
As for the software, support etc etc
'Good' Luck
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Since part of it is Sony, I expect a good multimedia player. In fact, this is why I chose her instead of Google Nexus One.
I did extensive research and found out that the music player wasn't really that good
And when I saw Mediascape, I told myself she's the one for me!
Granted, the absence of an equalizer control is abit of a disappointment, but well, you win some, you lose some =/
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Exactly, if I'm not mistaken it was the first android phone which has the most customized and best looking media player.
SE's designing department rarely fails
Yeap. A blonde, but I've dyed her brunette with XDA
I'm completely satisfied with her as it stands now. An official 2.2 would be a great addition but no sweat if it never arrives. The JiT patch + xRecovery + other tweaks have gotten my X10 to places I never had thought possible. I don't give 2 flips if my mate's Galaxy S scrolls smoother [laugh] or another mate's Desire has dozens of custom ROM's - the Xperia's physical looks and overall UI is what I picked her for - for the rest there's XDA.
That's my story.
The Hardware of X10 or Arc is good the Problem is only the Software. A X10 or Arc with Software from someone here created like zdzihu,jerpelea and all and this would be the best Phone becouse nice Desings,good Hardware and the difference to SE very good Software! The Arc has latest Software so dont know if it sucks or not but the Software on X10 withouth JIT+Root sucks.
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Two 'good's i can think of the arc
'Good' Looking
As for the software, support etc etc
'Good' Luck
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Arc is the top SE right now, but I'm sticking with my x10
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The Hardware of X10 or Arc is good the Problem is only the Software. A X10 or Arc with Software from someone here created like zdzihu,jerpelea and all and this would be the best Phone becouse nice Desings,good Hardware and the difference to SE very good Software! The Arc has latest Software so dont know if it sucks or not but the Software on X10 withouth JIT+Root sucks.
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That's what really scares me. SE loves to customize their products so that it looks even more like their own creation. That is why SE will not launch any WinMo7 phones since it doesn't allow customization.
X1 was my first SE. I signed a really expensive contract for it which i do not need because i was so drawn into the beauty of that thing. After learning my (1st) lesson I was willing to give SE another go, I bought it upfront so that I can easily move on to another brand if it does not live up to my expectation again.
Well again the x10 didn't live up to my expectation, but at least my wallet didn't go hay-wired this time
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The Hardware of X10 or Arc is good the Problem is only the Software. A X10 or Arc with Software from someone here created like zdzihu,jerpelea and all and this would be the best Phone becouse nice Desings,good Hardware and the difference to SE very good Software! The Arc has latest Software so dont know if it sucks or not but the Software on X10 withouth JIT+Root sucks.
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I dont know how good is the hardware but its probably not good enough. That spec already existed in some phones thats launched last year. Sure many people would say the duo core is over-rated and 1ghz is more than enough but we're still in the 1st month of the year. If this year mobile phone is all about duo cores, arc will again miss out a lot of latest apps
No App will require more then 1GHZ, this would be crazy. And when Dual Core turns Mainstream SE will have the Arc successor out already with Dual Core. Not even all PC Programs did use a Quad Core and Quad Core is out for many years so i dont think all new Apps will require a Dual Core now.
Hello to all members,
I am totally new to this forum and I love it from the very first impression.
I am noob and I know nothing much about android, however I have started to read a lot on this forum. Thanks to all those nice helping guys around.
I am about to buy an android mobile, And, in my budged Sony Xperia X8 and LG Optimus One fits best. I am in great confusion about which phone i should buy.
What i think is X8 is definitely not going to get 2.2 update. But I liked it`s music quality. And in some review, i read that internet browsing his smoother on it than O1. Is that really true?
I want to use lot of internet and music. Please can someone help me out with this?
I done much googling on this, and finally created this thread.
So, in short i wanted to ask you guys to please help about following-
1)can I use those android mobiles as modem, i run windows XP
2)Is it better than symbian s60 ? I am using nokia n72 from past 4 years. Should I switch myself to android?
3)considering internet experiance, which mobile is better?
are there any good browsers available there for more better experiance?
4)according to your experiance, which one should i really buy?
I am waiting eagerly for your responses as I had lot of panic in deciding between these two mobiles. Also, if you know any mobile within same price range let me know.
1)can I use those android mobiles as modem, i run windows XP
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Wireless/USB Tethering, i guess. Most new Android phones come with this Though I'm not sure if this applies to Eclair (2.1)
2)Is it better than symbian s60 ? I am using nokia n72 from past 4 years. Should I switch myself to android?
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I would say yes. Android is much more open and customizable than Symbian. However, Symbian devices require much less CPU and RAM. And in case you ask me, I'd go for Android.
3)considering internet experiance, which mobile is better?
are there any good browsers available there for more better experiance?
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Both of them have a 320x480 resolution, so as screen readability is concerned, I think they're the same. Both don't have flash. There are many browsers are there designed for different kinds of goals. Skyfire, for instance, aims to be able to play those flash videos, even though the phone doesn't have flash player.
By the way, I think the X8 doesn't have multitouch, so no pinch zoom. Pinch zoom is important for me O1 scores here.
according to your experiance, which one should i really buy?
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O1, since we're going to get (hopefully) Gingerbread soon enough. + multitouch (though buggy), it's newer, bigger RAM and internal memory, etc.
It pretty much answers itself when you post the question in optimus one forum lol, personally I was also considering x8, but since I'm a techie, one look at the ram on x8 (I believe its 128mb) compared to 512mb on optimus one, it was a clear decision.
Thanks!
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It pretty much answers itself when you post the question in optimus one forum lol, personally I was also considering x8, but since I'm a techie, one look at the ram on x8 (I believe its 128mb) compared to 512mb on optimus one, it was a clear decision.
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Thanks so much for your reply AzNxJoHnNy. Yeah, As you said, I am almost about to buy O1. I think I will come to know more once I got my own hands on it.
Thank you so much!
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Wireless/USB Tethering, i guess. Most new Android phones come with this Though I'm not sure if this applies to Eclair (2.1)
I would say yes. Android is much more open and customizable than Symbian. However, Symbian devices require much less CPU and RAM. And in case you ask me, I'd go for Android.
Both of them have a 320x480 resolution, so as screen readability is concerned, I think they're the same. Both don't have flash. There are many browsers are there designed for different kinds of goals. Skyfire, for instance, aims to be able to play those flash videos, even though the phone doesn't have flash player.
By the way, I think the X8 doesn't have multitouch, so no pinch zoom. Pinch zoom is important for me O1 scores here.
O1, since we're going to get (hopefully) Gingerbread soon enough. + multitouch (though buggy), it's newer, bigger RAM and internal memory, etc.
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Hey kpbotbot, Thank you so much for your efforts and a VERY quick reply. I think I should go for O1 now. Are there any more mobiles you can suggest? just asking.
Nokia 1100
Google it.
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Hey kpbotbot, Thank you so much for your efforts and a VERY quick reply. I think I should go for O1 now. Are there any more mobiles you can suggest? just asking.
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No problem. That's the power of being stuck at home lol. Anyway, here are other phones I considered in the same price range:
1. HTC Wildfire - didn't choose because of screen resolution (240x 320, too low).
2. Samsung Galaxy Spica - I thought there was no multitouch, is old (yeah, for me), no official Gingerbread (considering the fact that the decision was made last december 2010)
3. Galaxy 3/5 - Screen resolution, no Gingerbread.
4. Optimus Chic - I couldn't wait for the release. It was a good decision on choosing the O1 though, since there is no Chic subforum here in xda afaik.
5. Maybe I forgot some other phones. These were my best choices last December
Motorola defy is the next step forward from these phones. Google for it's specs.
The only + X8 has over O1 is headphone audio quality. O1 is pain for ears, even with good headphones.
Hi every one.
I'm on a decision whether to lose the future on SE android Phones or gain it on other Android phones like Samsung, HTC or Motorola via their OS Updates.
I think ARC,Pro,Neo and play will have the same destiny like X10 and after sometime there will be no OS updates.
Thank the xda developers to port newer ROMs to x10 but one of the important parts of x10 never worked fully till now and that is its CAMERA!!!!!
Now, What's your Opinion about the Future of SE Smart Phones?
I apologize for my poor English
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Hi every one.
I'm on a decision whether to lose the future on SE android Phones or gain it on other Android phones like Samsung, HTC or Motorola via their OS Updates.
I think ARC,Pro,Neo and play will have the same destiny like X10 and after sometime there will be no OS updates.
Thank the xda developers to port newer ROMs to x10 but one of the important parts of x10 never worked fully till now and that is its CAMERA!!!!!
Now, What's your Opinion about the Future of SE Smart Phones?
I apologize for my poor English
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I think your wrong. SE have learned there leason about being late with OS updates and there new devices will be a different story than the X10 was.
As for decisions, you gotta make that yourself....whatever you think will make you happy.
I, myself will be getting the Arc....and that will most probably be my last android device....im going to move on over to WP7 soon enough. Gotta wait and see what Nokia has in store for it.
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I have tested HTC hd7 for a week and it got some advantages but i think android will be more powerfull than WP7. Somehow i hope SE keep supporting its new phones. The repetition of this mistake will cause losing customers and suffer the lovers.
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I think your wrong. SE have learned there leason about being late with OS updates and there new devices will be a different story than the X10 was.
As for decisions, you gotta make that yourself....whatever you think will make you happy.
I, myself will be getting the Arc....and that will most probably be my last android device....im going to move on over to WP7 soon enough. Gotta wait and see what Nokia has in store for it.
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Actually that depends, no company would go updating their phones all the way to the latest firmware update, like X10 they'll probably give 1-2 major firmware updates to the Arc few months after the firmware is released by Google, then leave it and release new phones. Reason why I think so is because from my point of view, SE is all about visual perfection, if the UI doesn't look good they'll tweak it till they're happy (thus the delay).
I myself will wait for Google's next Nexus (if any), mainly because there are more support there than any other android phones.
I like Sony Ericsson. They make good looking hardware. my contract ends in about a year, so i'll probs get to get the next lot
NOT EVER SONY (any product period)
Motorola Atrix as soon as I can get my hands on it AND the dock station. Experience with the Xperia left me never willing to own or purchase another Sony product EVER, in fact I sold my PS3 since owning it as the IBM Cell processor is no longer useful, for the same reasons the entire Xperia line from x1 to Play.. DRM junk!
These guys have even been sued over the crap, sued themselves over the subject and continue to underwhelm and disappoint. Never again Mr Sony!
Innovation ended with the Walkman. Sony have no vision or ability to grasp open source software and have no place in Android.
my contract is not up for another year...even though i like sony unsure if i will get another one or not - and not because of all the broken promises etc
i am not an "sony fan" or "Nokia fan" etc...i will see what phones are out at the time and see whats best
Lol I love when people say sony learned their lesson... If they did then why not fix their mistake and upgrade x10 once more before ditching it? Isn't fixing your mistake part of learning your lesson? I know I'm going to get a lot of lame excuses in response to this as usual...
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Lol I love when people say sony learned their lesson... If they did then why not suz their mistake and upgrade x10 once more before ditching it? Isn't fixing your mistake part of learning your lesson? I know I'm going to get a lot of lame excuses in response to this as usual...
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Man, you are persistent
I think we all know by now, you DON'T like the X10 and possibly the rest of the Sony Ericsson product line. And that's okay
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Man, you are persistent
I think we all know by now, you DON'T like the X10 and possibly the rest of the Sony Ericsson product line. And that's okay
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I never once said I didn't like the x10 ever.. I love it. I just don't like sony's lack if support and the way they're handling this situation...
hahaha for me i like the design of ****ing SE but the way they leave the OS ?ahh im forwarding to last SE of ARc if they gonna leave again .this is the last sE to buy with... curently X10 user.. im luky the XDA or developers are here to felp us lol
Liked the x10, would buy another Android SE only If x10 would get further upgrades at least till HW would be capable to handle it otherwise No way.
just because my x10 is sim unlocked imma kep using it for a while
but my next option could be an optimus 3d or an inspire 4g or an atrix (although motoblur is not of my likes)
still will be with android cause wp7 is kinda buggy from what I read xD
there might be a chance of getting an arc just cause it looks so damn fancy but will depend on the money XD
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Hi every one.
I'm on a decision whether to lose the future on SE android Phones or gain it on other Android phones like Samsung, HTC or Motorola via their OS Updates.
I think ARC,Pro,Neo and play will have the same destiny like X10 and after sometime there will be no OS updates.
Thank the xda developers to port newer ROMs to x10 but one of the important parts of x10 never worked fully till now and that is its CAMERA!!!!!
Now, What's your Opinion about the Future of SE Smart Phones?
I apologize for my poor English
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Decisons are best made on informed choice. Yes the experience with SE Android debut was (is) frustrating. They could have handled issues with updates better but if their products (software side especially) then I will use my head as well as my heart. Of course SE should realise if you treat your clients shabbily, you drive them into your competitors embrace!
When i bought the x10 i thought that SE may have done the right thing..
But after a year of fighting and arguing SE has now decided to repair my phone.
I am not going to be robbed again, the x10 is no marvel
and yes SE may have sorted out their firmware distribution,
they are still no longer making quality hardware!
SE used the x10 product line and clever marketing to smear the
horridly planned and badly designed phones on the un-expecting public.
So in my eyes... they fail and this will be the last SE and SONY product i buy.
Sony and SE is taking the piss for the cash.
I think the ARC,NEO,PRO & PLAY = crap.. the hardware is already outdated!
Plus sony loves to remove stuff from the firmware in consoles and devices.
Screw them in the ear.
Money hungry pigs.
behrad_m said:
Hi every one.
I'm on a decision whether to lose the future on SE android Phones or gain it on other Android phones like Samsung, HTC or Motorola via their OS Updates.
I think ARC,Pro,Neo and play will have the same destiny like X10 and after sometime there will be no OS updates.
Thank the xda developers to port newer ROMs to x10 but one of the important parts of x10 never worked fully till now and that is its CAMERA!!!!!
Now, What's your Opinion about the Future of SE Smart Phones?
I apologize for my poor English
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Actually, X10 is not too bad, just no more OS update. For me, I wouldn't like to spend too much on phone so I'm going to stick a while with X10.
But if u would preferred to get latest firmware all the time and have budget, I reckon HTC.
Cheers.
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Maybe if i find a used arc that cost around 300$ i'll get one.... otherwise ... a brand new galaxy 2 or desire HD
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blisslove said:
Actually, X10 is not too bad, just no more OS update. For me, I wouldn't like to spend too much on phone so I'm going to stick a while with X10.
But if u would preferred to get latest firmware all the time and have budget, I reckon HTC.
Cheers.
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As you know, The usage of these Smart phones depends on their OS, because of their software improvements. for new apps you will need android 2.2 or 2.3 or higher and then our x10s will be outdated but if you have galaxy s you will have all official advantages of new androids. I think firmware upgrades are free.
I posted several months ago that if SE stuck the X10 on 2.1 then there was like a 5% chance that I would go with another SE (65% chance if 2.2, 99% for 2.3). Considering that they've stuck the X10 on 2.1 (cmon, almost all new system type apps require 2.2 like gmail and all the bug fixes 2.2 brings) it's very unlikely. I may do the Optimus 2X... camera looks decent.
And for those that say SE has learned their lesson, I'm calling BS.
They've done this with EVERY other smartphone they've released.
They release a smartphone with a lot of promises and statements of the lessons they've learned from past smartphones ONLY to do the same thing.
Vivaz, Vivaz Pro, Satio, Xperia X1, Xperia X2, G700, G900, etc.
'Time flows like a river and history repeats' -some quote...
Well, i have always been a fan of SE, and i would still buy their phones, but the way they handled/are handling the x10 issues has made me consider other phones like samsung or htc.
If you want updates to your phone, you shouldn't stay with SE, because as they said about the x10 "We have decided to not step up beyond 2.1 since we believe that 2.2 won't enhance the user experience enough."
and that's gonna happen again.
Now that the latest mini's are announced with 2.3 it should be that much easier for SE to release 2.3 update for older mini's. Plus they are also on board with the latest Andriod update policy, anyway to remind this fact i started a thread in fb se fan page which is guaranteed to bring their attention.
facebook dot com slash topic.php?uid=35313373389&topic=26305 (im unable to link because i haven't posted many here)
are you sure?
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Now that the latest mini's are announced with 2.3 it should be that much easier for SE to release 2.3 update for older mini's. Plus they are also on board with the latest Andriod update policy, anyway to remind this fact i started a thread in fb se fan page which is guaranteed to bring their attention.
facebook dot com slash topic.php?uid=35313373389&topic=26305 (im unable to link because i haven't posted many here)
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Knowing Sony.. they will never update our "old" mini/minipro..
They have to. Google posted new codex
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They have to. Google posted new codex
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I don't think so.
I suppose it apply just for "new" phones, not "old" ones
Doubt it: knowing Sony , theyll just say the original X10 mini never existed.
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they will not update it the new mini and the new pro are completely different then the old mini and the old pro screen size ARM family and that ****
they will not make an update for old mini and pro coz the new mini and pro are realeased
We still have to write the official site!
While I would very much like an oficial update, it just wouldn't make any sense for a commercial point of view, even if the new Mini line was the same hardware, they want to sell more phones, not rehash old ones.
I think that SE never release Android 2.3 for old mini/mini pro... I' m owner of mini pro and I just rooted and used MiniCM v7 what's Android 2.3 and it's much better than SE ever can release
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I think that SE never release Android 2.3 for old mini/mini pro... I' m owner of mini pro and I just rooted and used MiniCM v7 what's Android 2.3 and it's much better than SE ever can release
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Are you sure? Because until nobodyatAll fixes it, Your Mini Pro won't be able to use the 5MP Camera or VGA Recording, things that would be working perfectly on a stock SE 2.3 ROM.
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Are you sure? Because until nobodyatAll fixes it, Your Mini Pro won't be able to use the 5MP Camera or VGA Recording, things that would be working perfectly on a stock SE 2.3 ROM.
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But the fix will come faster then sony updating it to 2.3 (chances of this: 0 XD)
sony doesnt care about old phones i dont care about them neither.
our phones works alot better with xda dev ROMs thanks to owain & slade and other devs you guys rock
Write your angry letters here
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/03/25/update-on-xperia™-x10/
Пишем свои гневные письма сюда
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/03/25/update-on-xperia™-x10/
What are the realistic factors limiting them in making an update for our Mini/MP's?
I understand that the hardware specs are different, but they both possess the same functionality and run the same features. If they're making the update for the x10, surely it wouldn't be too great a leap in tweaking it to release on a device thats pretty much exactly the same? I'm not a developer, but it just sounds like a cop out.
I understand that it is almost impossible that SE upgrades old minis.
But, as long as the new minis have android 2.3, I'm sure that it would be easier to develop a custom ROM based on that one.
Let's hope it's stable.
Yes but why? They're just a smaller version of the same phone but with slightly less impressive specs i.e. the x10 has a 1ghz processor, whilst the mini/MP has a 600mhz processor, which has been overclocked comfortably by a lot of guys here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075320
There is no realistic factor limiting them, its probably just their marketing department.
Ok, I have looked this up as many ways as I possibly could and to no avail.
I am pretty sure the info I am looking for is out there, I am just having the worst time accessing it.
What I would like to know is why certain devices run on certain OS's.
is it just one factor or multiple factors? I suspect the latter[?]
and if so, what factors primarily play a role in deciding what OS goes on what device?
I know what I am asking really serves no purpose to most, but I am one of those who likes to know as much as possible.
much thanks in advance and please do forgive me for the huge lapse
The 1st factor is the device manufacturer. A clear example: SE says that Xperia X8 doesn't support versions above 2.1, so it didn't release actualizations. But now, we have even ICS on X8
The 2nd factor is the availability of drivers for the desired Android version (the drivers can come from a oficial ROM, or from the chipset manufacturer), and/or the coders interested in the device.
For many devices (specially low-end devices) this is the most important factor.
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The 1st factor is the device manufacturer. A clear example: SE says that Xperia X8 doesn't support versions above 2.1, so it didn't release actualizations. But now, we have even ICS on X8
The 2nd factor is the availability of drivers for the desired Android version (the drivers can come from a oficial ROM, or from the chipset manufacturer), and/or the coders interested in the device.
For many devices (specially low-end devices) this is the most important factor.
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hmm, well that is very informative and I thank you
RoberGalarga said:
The 1st factor is the device manufacturer. A clear example: SE says that Xperia X8 doesn't support versions above 2.1, so it didn't release actualizations. But now, we have even ICS on X8
The 2nd factor is the availability of drivers for the desired Android version (the drivers can come from a oficial ROM, or from the chipset manufacturer), and/or the coders interested in the device.
For many devices (specially low-end devices) this is the most important factor.
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While this is true another factor is the popularity of the device. Why would anyone waste time on developing for a device that no one is interested in? It also depends on the value of the device. Its normal that the high-end ones will receive updates before the mid-range devices. But as the guy above said for xperia the same is with my LG. We also made a half functional ICS and the only big problem is the screen which works only 50%
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