Is it possible that if i use another device charger like blackberry or whatever compatible may give me a better battery life ? I saw on x8 forums a guy claimed using an htc charger and posted a screenshot where it showed up to 6 days of usage !
Thaanks.
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shahkam said:
Is it possible that if i use another device charger like blackberry or whatever compatible may give me a better battery life ? I saw on x8 forums a guy claimed using an htc charger and posted a screenshot where it showed up to 6 days of usage !
Thaanks.
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The charger is just a simple 5 volt power supply.
The charging circuits are in fact integrated into the device/phone itself.
You woulnd't be able to affect the battery capacity in any way by using a different charger.
I'd say that claim about improved battery life due to changing the charger is very unlikely. I'd call it a fake.
Perhaps improve charging time, but not improving battery capacity.
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The charger is just a simple 5 volt power supply.
The charging circuits are in fact integrated into the device/phone itself.
You woulnd't be able to affect the battery capacity in any way by using a different charger.
I'd say that claim about improved battery life due to changing the charger is very unlikely. I'd call it a fake.
Perhaps improve charging time, but not improving battery capacity.
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oooh thanks because the guy said the other charger was way more powerfull and it overcharged which caused an extreme change in his battery life but thanks anyways
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oooh thanks because the guy said the other charger was way more powerfull and it overcharged which caused an extreme change in his battery life but thanks anyways
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Overcharging a lipo battery in a device such as the X10 (Lithium Polymer) would end up in either one of these scenarios:
Scenario 1: Phone and battery overheats, thermal protection kicks in and disables charging permanently.
Scenario 2: Phone and battery overheats, frying the internal charging circuits. Permanent damage.
Scenario 3: Phone and battery overheats, causing an explosion. Worst case: exploded battery catches fire.
Battery fires are tricky to put out and can cause major damage, not only to the device, but also to everything around it.
Don't worry tho.
As long as the charger, or whatever power supply you're using, gives 5 volt DC with correct polarisation, you'll be safe.
But as soon you fiddle around with different voltages, specially anything higher than 5 volts, it starts getting dangerous.
There is a common misunderstanding on how volts and currents works.
People tend to believe a charger with higher currents will do better. That is wrong.
It isn't the charger that "pushes" the current. It's the device that "draws" the current needed.
Example: If the device needs 700 miliamps, and the charger can give 5000 milliamps there will be 4300 milliamps left over.
In theory one could connect 7 devices to the same charger: 7x700=4900, and still have 100 milliamps left over.
What would happen if the device draws more than the charger can give? The device wouldn't charge at all, as the charger would "drop out" in one way or another by either shutting down, or lowering it's own voltage below "acceptable level"
SysGhost said:
Overcharging a lipo battery in a device such as the X10 (Lithium Polymer) would end up in either one of these scenarios:
Scenario 1: Phone and battery overheats, thermal protection kicks in and disables charging permanently.
Scenario 2: Phone and battery overheats, frying the internal charging circuits. Permanent damage.
Scenario 3: Phone and battery overheats, causing an explosion. Worst case: exploded battery catches fire.
Battery fires are tricky to put out and can cause major damage, not only to the device, but also to everything around it.
Don't worry tho.
As long as the charger, or whatever power supply you're using, gives 5 volt DC with correct polarisation, you'll be safe.
But as soon you fiddle around with different voltages, specially anything higher than 5 volts, it starts getting dangerous.
There is a common misunderstanding on how volts and currents works.
People tend to believe a charger with higher currents will do better. That is wrong.
It isn't the charger that "pushes" the current. It's the device that "draws" the current needed.
Example: If the device needs 700 miliamps, and the charger can give 5000 milliamps there will be 4300 milliamps left over.
In theory one could connect 7 devices to the same charger: 7x700=4900, and still have 100 milliamps left over.
What would happen if the device draws more than the charger can give? The device wouldn't charge at all, as the charger would "drop out" in one way or another by either shutting down, or lowering it's own voltage below "acceptable level"
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Thanks for the very detailed explication ! I thanked you and i thank you lol
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does anyone know if its possible to find out if the s3 is really charging or not? ive been plugged in and it's still discharging. I need to know if its hardware or software related. when plugged in it has a lightning on the battery and it has red led when display is off but its really slow on charging
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does anyone know if its possible to find out if the s3 is really charging or not? ive been plugged in and it's still discharging. I need to know if its hardware or software related. when plugged in it has a lightning on the battery and it has red led when display is off but its really slow on charging
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same here!
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does anyone know if its possible to find out if the s3 is really charging or not? ive been plugged in and it's still discharging. I need to know if its hardware or software related. when plugged in it has a lightning on the battery and it has red led when display is off but its really slow on charging
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The battery does not charge to 100 %, this is not a defect in the phone but rather a sort of internal protection so as to not damage the battery. Indeed, it happens many times to leave the phone connected to the charger much more time necezzario.
The battery by doing so you may receive a surplus of energy than necessary, and in the long run, deteriorate more quickly. Samsung has inserted inside the Galaxy S3 a limiter that operates in the following way: while the phone is charging, you download slightly of 2-3% for then recharge automatically up to 100 %. This process is repeated automatically from your phone until it is removed from the charger.
Use this app.for monitoring battery ; https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ch_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNjYzcxLmJtdyJd
If necessary make a battery calibration uses these applications ; https://play.google.com/store/search?q=calibration&c=apps
While plugged in go to settings/battery and see if it is ac charging or usb charging....I've had this problem with the new cable and plug, it only charges at usb rate, use my old S1 charger now, BlackBerry one worked for me as well
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The battery does not charge to 100 %, this is not a defect in the phone but rather a sort of internal protection so as to not damage the battery. Indeed, it happens many times to leave the phone connected to the charger much more time necezzario.
The battery by doing so you may receive a surplus of energy than necessary, and in the long run, deteriorate more quickly. Samsung has inserted inside the Galaxy S3 a limiter that operates in the following way: while the phone is charging, you download slightly of 2-3% for then recharge automatically up to 100 %. This process is repeated automatically from your phone until it is removed from the charger.
Use this app.for monitoring battery ; https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ch_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNjYzcxLmJtdyJd
If necessary make a battery calibration uses these applications ; https://play.google.com/store/search?q=calibration&c=apps
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Hmm, im not talking about when it charges at 100 % im talking about when it charges in mid ranges like 50 or 80. It shows charging but an hour passed but it didnt even increase to 2 percent
Are you on an original rom or a custom / leaked one?
Have you tried another charger or computer?
It may take some time to charge on slower chargers (the ones only outputting 0.5Amp) but it definitively should not be discharging when connected to a charger with the screen off.
Im on stock firmware. Using the wall outlet ti charge the phone
Just notice this, just now i see this screen when charging with phone turned off. I try 2/3 different charger from other manufacture still the same, but all charger works when phone On. Any solutions will help. Thanks.
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That indicator means the Streak isn't recognizing the cable, so you have one of two possible causes here:
1. The cable is bad
2. The port is dirty or bad
To properly troubleshoot, clean the port with a cotton swab and rubbing alcohol. Let the port dry, which should only take a couple minutes or so. Then plug the cable into the port. If it still doesn't work, try another cable. If it still doesn't work after that, the port is likely your culprit.
will try. thanks.
edit ; but, just found that if connected to the computer when screen off, it's charging properly. So this is maybe charger incompatible issue ? i don't have original Dell Charger, so from the day i hold this lovely device i use random wall charger adapter from my blackberry, LG and iPhone.
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you know.. it is quite bad to mix use of wall charger.. since it would affect your battery... try to use just one charger and stick to it... i use samsung galaxy tab original charger with rating 5V 2A by the way...
Ya i think u right. 1 more question if you don't mind, sometimes... i just need to 2-3 hours to perform full charged. But somestimes ( usually in some miui ROM ) i need more time like 4-6 hours to full charged. Whats that ? I try using Battery-Calibrating apps from market or manually deleted batterystat file, its result randomly, sometimes working, sometimes not. Can you please explains more about battery... thanks.
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usually when we flash rom over another, the previous battery stats would be used... so doing a recalibration would help to get back the actual battery stats...
so.. when you notice the charge length is not correct or it is not like usual... doing recalibration would help..
charge half way... or you charge and then forgot bout it until the next day... something like that would affect the battery stats also...
if you maintain the charge cycle appropriately .. it would help the battery stats maintain the correct value too...
i also sometimes forgot bout the battery.. i mean we charge the battery and then goto sleep... if the charge is only 3 hours but we sleep more than 6 hours the different of 3 hours there would make a difference to the battery stats... where the stats would start to get hayway ..
yes, i do flashing frequently, i quickly got boring with just one rom
and yes, i charge my phone before sleep almost everyday, is that bad ?
right now (with miui rom) for example : when battery indicator show 39% after charhing 4 hours more, disconnect cable, i turn it off, i enter recovery (this weird, it boot in recovery, as i know, we only can enter recovery if we have above 50/60% battery, right?) so i wipe batterystat and reboot... voila.... its show 75% ???
how come ?
in some calibration apps say :
" Its not necessary but recommended to use phone until it shutdown it self, and recharge without a break start with phone off"
since i can't charge with phone off because of my incompatible wall charger adapter, so i never complete this above step. is it really needed to be done?
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you know.. it is quite bad to mix use of wall charger.. since it would affect your battery... try to use just one charger and stick to it... i use samsung galaxy tab original charger with rating 5V 2A by the way...
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This is only partly correct.
The battery would be affected if the output voltage of a replacement charger was different from the stock charger, although it is more likely that the Streak's circuit board would blow a component or two. However, the battery will not be affected by the output amperage of a replacement charger. The only thing that will happen is the amount of time it takes to charge the battery will increase or decrease depending upon the amperage the adapter puts out.
For example, 4.0V, 2A is a bad thing. 6.0V, 2A is definitely a bad thing. Both can do damage to the battery because the voltage is what has changed. However, 5V 1A or 5V 3A won't hurt the battery at all since the only thing that changes is the amperage. As added protection against damage and/or battery explosions, there is a voltage control circuit inside the battery that not only monitors the individual cells that make up the battery but also can measure the incoming voltage. If the voltage is too low or too high, the battery will cut the charge circuit and prevent an explosion. The circuit doesn't measure the amperage because it doesn't need to, and thus the battery will happily charge at both lower and higher amperage than recommended without damage.
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This is only partly correct.
The battery would be affected if the output voltage of a replacement charger was different from the stock charger, although it is more likely that the Streak's circuit board would blow a component or two. However, the battery will not be affected by the output amperage of a replacement charger. The only thing that will happen is the amount of time it takes to charge the battery will increase or decrease depending upon the amperage the adapter puts out.
For example, 4.0V, 2A is a bad thing. 6.0V, 2A is definitely a bad thing. Both can do damage to the battery because the voltage is what has changed. However, 5V 1A or 5V 3A won't hurt the battery at all since the only thing that changes is the amperage. As added protection against damage and/or battery explosions, there is a voltage control circuit inside the battery that not only monitors the individual cells that make up the battery but also can measure the incoming voltage. If the voltage is too low or too high, the battery will cut the charge circuit and prevent an explosion. The circuit doesn't measure the amperage because it doesn't need to, and thus the battery will happily charge at both lower and higher amperage than recommended without damage.
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thanks for explaining, so its okay right if i use 5.0V 700mA ?
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It will work, but it will take longer to charge as it's only 700ma versus the Streak's 1A. The charger may become slightly warmer as it has to work longer, but otherwise you should be fine. Had the difference been greater, say using a 500ma charger when a 2A was required, you might damage the charger, but not the battery.
okay thanks, now i know how to charge my battery
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I am using the latest LineagOS. I thought Le Max 2 has QC3.0 support which should let it run at 12v charge voltage, but it does not.
The best it does is 9V and 1.6A (measured using usb meter) totaling to 14.4W. I tried the phone at room temperature, also cooled it down in fridge and tried again. Results are same. The battery was 1% - 3% at start.
Is this normal? I calculated and 14.4W if batteryt was charged to 4.35V makes roughly 3300mA which sounds rather low. I expected phone to go around 4100mA at least while charging.
More importantly, it never switches to 12V charging voltage. Is that normal?
my phone is going up to 4100mA while charging. On some roms you have to enable quick charge in your phones settings.
@LivingLing did you test with a program like Ampere or using a USB meter device? Because your ROM may be giving you incorrect values and it can't be trusted.
There is no quick charge option in LineageOS but I can see that phone is using quick charge because charger increase voltage to 9V. I am trying to understand why it wouldn't go to 12V
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@LivingLing did you test with a program like Ampere or using a USB meter device? Because your ROM may be giving you incorrect values and it can't be trusted.
There is no quick charge option in LineageOS but I can see that phone is using quick charge because charger increase voltage to 9V. I am trying to understand why it wouldn't go to 12V
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No i didnt used anything like that, just mentioned the values given by the Rom. But my phone charges Form 10% to 100% in like 15 minutes. So thats actually pretty fast in my opinion.
That sounds impossible, make a screenshot from the charging graph please. That would be something about 10A charging current...
I get about 4,5A when I activate QC on the EUI
@LivingLing Your phone must be broken if you can charge 0 to 100% in 15 minutes. You can't really charge a lithium battery very fast after about 80% and thats why quick charge implementations never talk about 0 to 100% charge time.
With lithium battery, most implementations set the input voltage to about 4.35V and battery charges as fast as it can pull power. This slows down when battery is near full.
I recommend you to get a USB meter, they cost few dollars anyway and quite cool devices.
Hello, My phone problem is, whenever i charged my phone to any certain percentage like 80%, 90%, 100%, and unplugged the charger and using the phone, first 5-10 minutes its consume 5-6% battery and first 1 hour of using its consume 10-12%.
This problem happening to all roms including stock rom
So it's not your 'roms'.
Tell me about your fone, how old, and what type of battery?
Does the fone heat up at all when it's draining?
Is there an extra slight BULGE at the back of fone?
I know some charger's, like the iphone chargers, can and do lose their amperage, it's how they sell more charger's, by providing the volts but not the required amps, or in this case, milliamps.
Let me know, and I'll try to help quick as
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So it's not your 'roms'.
Tell me about your fone, how old, and what type of battery?
Does the fone heat up at all when it's draining?
Is there an extra slight BULGE at the back of fone?
I know some charger's, like the iphone chargers, can and do lose their amperage, it's how they sell more charger's, by providing the volts but not the required amps, or in this case, milliamps.
Let me know, and I'll try to help quick as
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My phone is 11 months old, and the battery type is Li-ion battery
no heat up while charging and discharging
cant sure is the phone slight BULGE at the back of fone?
By bulge, I mean, does it feel slightly fatter? Bigger? Swollen? can you take battery out, if so, is it neat and tidy, as in, lay battery on a flat surface, it should be flush with where you place it. If it's flat, turn it over, is it still flat?
Have you had any recent updates?
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By bulge, I mean, does it feel slightly fatter? Bigger? Swollen? can you take battery out, if so, is it neat and tidy, as in, lay battery on a flat surface, it should be flush with where you place it. If it's flat, turn it over, is it still flat?
Have you had any recent updates?
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no its not slightly fatter and my phone has glass back panel.....yeah got new updates,but the problem is on every roms
but some custom kernel like etherious and agni kernel...the battery draining normally
So if your battery was getting fat, it would be time to replace it, but due to glass back, you cant tell.
Do you standard charge, or turbo charge?
Back in the 80's, I learnt a fantastic trick, read:
Batteries develop 'memory'. They remember how long they were charged for, in that they kind of copy the previous charge, and dont go further than where the previous charge was halted. Meaning if I'm in a hurry, and pull out fone at 60% charge, next time I plug it in, it MAY see the 60% previously disconnected, as full charge.
For instance, I buy a new battery, when I get it, I dont know how long it sat on the shelf for, as it's charge slowly dissapaited through non-use (yes this happens) while sitting on shelf. So when I get the battery, the first thing I do, is place an electrolytic capacitor (valued around double the voltage of the battery) and place negative of capacitor to negative and positive to positive on battery, the idea being to drain it completely. Once I get no power from battery, I then charge it for 24 hours.
This erases the 'memory' the battery develop's, making it like new from factory. The above is the 80's version of recycling a car battery. But you cant drain the battery, being sealed in your f'n, so try the following:
Grab a usb adapter, say a 4 port (mines a 7 port), and plug your powered on f'n into it, whilst filling the other ports with any other usb devices, the more power they need, the quicker you drain your fone., being the objective.
Do not plug the usb port itself into ANYTHING, and do NOT apply power to the hub.
Leave until nothing lights up plugged into the hub (have a thingy with lights plugged in to see the power drain).
Look for a 3.5mA usb charger, the type used for tablets, the amazon fire tablets charger is ideal for this. Once you have completely drained battery and know nothing else works cause your fone cant supply the other devices any power, plug your f'n into the 3.5 mA (milli-amp) charger, and charge for 48 hours.
This is the electronics engineering method of renewing a battery.
My scource is an old '80's magazine, co-incidently, I'm in same edition called CB magazine, the first ever printed version of how to make a battery like new. I hope this works, cause I dont know the actual fone, but if you do this, you'll have the added advantage of knowing you just 'made' a new battery, and learnt not to buy sealed fones where you cant release the battery to swap it.
As I say, if it's a hardware problem, you'll know after this.
Edit: I know apple mess with the charging cycle to make people buy new iphones, which they do in updates. Your problem MAY actually be this.
Good luck!
Scource of this info: (for anyone interested, you can see on the cover how to make a new battery or sumat, I'm not looking, I got fed up posing my amatuer rig)
CB Radio Magazine Archives | CB Radio Magazine
cbradiomagazine.com
Pachacouti said:
So if your battery was getting fat, it would be time to replace it, but due to glass back, you cant tell.
Do you standard charge, or turbo charge?
Back in the 80's, I learnt a fantastic trick, read:
Batteries develop 'memory'. They remember how long they were charged for, in that they kind of copy the previous charge, and dont go further than where the previous charge was halted. Meaning if I'm in a hurry, and pull out fone at 60% charge, next time I plug it in, it MAY see the 60% previously disconnected, as full charge.
For instance, I buy a new battery, when I get it, I dont know how long it sat on the shelf for, as it's charge slowly dissapaited through non-use (yes this happens) while sitting on shelf. So when I get the battery, the first thing I do, is place an electrolytic capacitor (valued around double the voltage of the battery) and place negative of capacitor to negative and positive to positive on battery, the idea being to drain it completely. Once I get no power from battery, I then charge it for 24 hours.
This erases the 'memory' the battery develop's, making it like new from factory. The above is the 80's version of recycling a car battery. But you cant drain the battery, being sealed in your f'n, so try the following:
Grab a usb adapter, say a 4 port (mines a 7 port), and plug your powered on f'n into it, whilst filling the other ports with any other usb devices, the more power they need, the quicker you drain your fone., being the objective.
Do not plug the usb port itself into ANYTHING, and do NOT apply power to the hub.
Leave until nothing lights up plugged into the hub (have a thingy with lights plugged in to see the power drain).
Look for a 3.5mA usb charger, the type used for tablets, the amazon fire tablets charger is ideal for this. Once you have completely drained battery and know nothing else works cause your fone cant supply the other devices any power, plug your f'n into the 3.5 mA (milli-amp) charger, and charge for 48 hours.
This is the electronics engineering method of renewing a battery.
My scource is an old '80's magazine, co-incidently, I'm in same edition called CB magazine, the first ever printed version of how to make a battery like new. I hope this works, cause I dont know the actual fone, but if you do this, you'll have the added advantage of knowing you just 'made' a new battery, and learnt not to buy sealed fones where you cant release the battery to swap it.
As I say, if it's a hardware problem, you'll know after this.
Edit: I know apple mess with the charging cycle to make people buy new iphones, which they do in updates. Your problem MAY actually be this.
Good luck!
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So in short You tell me to do that is, i have to connect a usb hub to my phone and discharging all the battery. then i have to charge my phone at least 48 hours/2 days?
Yup. If you take your time, and it's not hardware or update related, you'll be glad you did. At the very least, you make your battery brand new for sure.
Whilst googling, I found some saying some optimisation service wont stop, but hey, it's now down to you to help yourself
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Yup. If you take your time, and it's not hardware or update related, you'll be glad you did. At the very least, you make your battery brand new for
Pachacouti said:
Yup. If you take your time, and it's not hardware or update related, you'll be glad you did. At the very least, you make your battery brand new for sure.
Whilst googling, I found some saying some optimisation service wont stop, but hey, it's now down to you to help yourself
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don't take me wrong......so the methods u told, really improved li-ion batteries..
and also i dont have any 3.5 ma charger....can i charge my phone on pc usb port
and when charging 48 hours, do i have to turn on the phone or charging with switched off
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Yeah it works with EVERY battery made by man, unless it really is DEAD, like no acid to react to the li-ion, shame we cant add water like the car batteries of that time to prolong the battery life lol, back then was poor days, lots of handy finds were found...
I would not recommend the pc/laptop method, because I'm pretty sure those usb ports only provide 50 ma (a quarter of 2.0 mA, note the small ma compared with the 2.0 mA)
Power to pc/laptop end user style is 2.0mA devided by amount of ports.
Any single charger rated 2.5mA or above is what you want, so I use 3.5 mA.
Check old big phone chargers, look at the plug, go for more power than your actual fone charger, which I must ask, is rated at how many mA? I predict 2000ma (2.0mA)
The time (2 days) is to FORCE more power into the previous 'rememberd' memory, literally blowing it's mind lol. After this, you use your standard charger, this is only to fix BATTERY, so then we know if it's hardware or software, cause you did the work and patted yourself on the back lol
Edit: keep fone off while charging, just use another old one or borrow one till the charge is complete. By cheating you only cheat yourself lol. By doing, you WIN.
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Yeah it works with EVERY battery made by man, unless it really is DEAD, like no acid to react to the li-ion, shame we cant add water like the car batteries of that time to prolong the battery life lol, back then was poor days, lots of handy finds were found...
I would not recommend the pc/laptop method, because I'm pretty sure those usb ports only provide 50 ma (a quarter of 2.0 mA, note the small ma compared with the 2.0 mA)
Power to pc/laptop end user style is 2.0mA devided by amount of ports.
Any single charger rated 2.5mA or above is what you want, so I use 3.5 mA.
Check old big phone chargers, look at the plug, go for more power than your actual fone charger, which I must ask, is rated at how many mA?
The time (2 days) is to FORCE more power into the previous 'rememberd' memory, literally blowing it's mind lol. After this, you use your standard charger, this is only to fix BATTERY, so then we know if it's hardware or software, cause you did the work and patted yourself on the back lol
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my phone charger is 18watt fast charger....than how many ma it has....and how many watts in 3.5ma charger??
Glad you asked. Your charger is a 2.3 AMP or 2.300mA like I said, try a larger charger
Look at charger till you get what I'm saying re: ma, mA or Amps (A)
2.0 AMP is 2000mA
To make it easy for you. 2.0 ma (how it's sometimes written) is = to 2000mA or 2.0 AMPS, but do NOT make the mistake of using 2000 AMPS lol, I'll hear you from here...
Electronics is defo not software and I forget sometimes i'm dealing in milliamps and amps, etc rather than megawatss from my radios lol
So you will look for a plug that MAY show EITHER 2000mA or or 2.0 AMPS. The old way to write milliamps were once similar, so ma was made mA to show amps. Keep my age in mind lol