Well, WP7 rom for HD2 has been around xda forum for a few days now, and we all know who we should send a "thank you" to. However, I've been questioning that why Cotulla and DFT are still keeping silent about this launch then?
If you could remember that Cotulla was the first dev. announced the good new about Nandroid on HD2, and he was also the first dev. to post a NANDROID rom for us (here).
So do you know why he hasn't said anything about this very big achievement then?
I think it's because of (possible) legal issues with Microsoft... Don't quote me on that though.
I'm wondering the same
Legal issues ? maybe ..
One of the big reasons is because he is not ready to release it. The Devs are still making changes to the Magldr and will be releasing an updated version at a later point with more bugs ironed out.
As far as legal issues, its the same thing it was with WinMo 6.5...people cooked ROMS and there was no legal issue behind it.
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One of the big reasons is because he is not ready to release it. The Devs are still making changes to the Magldr and will be releasing an updated version at a later point with more bugs ironed out.
As far as legal issues, its the same thing it was with WinMo 6.5...people cooked ROMS and there was no legal issue behind it.
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but people cook wm 6.5 in phone that have wm 6.5 in the first place
hd2 is wm6.5 phone, not wp 7
there is no legal restriction for announcing this
they are waiting for the right time to give a fully working wp7
this i just a warming up release
Or they are waiting for this huge forum makeover to post they rom in proper WP7 section
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Or they are waiting for the this huge forum makeover to post they rom in proper WP7 section
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Yeah.you spot the light.
m2shakiba said:
there is no legal restriction for announcing this
they are waiting for the right time to give a fully working wp7
this i just a warming up release
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i hope you are right..
but i think the legal problem hurdle them to release here,,attorney from MS could be annoying..
it is possible that dft released wp7 in china and see what reaction of MS would be, and then step forword..
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One of the big reasons is because he is not ready to release it. The Devs are still making changes to the Magldr and will be releasing an updated version at a later point with more bugs ironed out.
As far as legal issues, its the same thing it was with WinMo 6.5...people cooked ROMS and there was no legal issue behind it.
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there is no legal restriction for announcing this
they are waiting for the right time to give a fully working wp7
this i just a warming up release
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Sorry but you guys are simply wrong.
It hasn't been directly released via XDA simply because xda is hosted on US servers, and XDA could be held liable if any posting or WP7 roms. M$ wants WP7 to be allot more locked down then the legacy version of OS.
It was released elsewhere because they are on Chinese servers.
I really do hope that we start getting dev going on on here and that custom roms are eventually released but from what ive been told its not likely atm. It will probably happen via 3rd parties willing to post like teh person who got permission to post the release here.
eg:- we buy car . we change tires , paint , tuned engine etc
we buy htc hd2 . we change boot loader , phone pouch , tuned os etc
we bourght than its ours .
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eg:- we buy car . we change tires , paint , tuned engine etc
we buy htc hd2 . we change boot loader , phone pouch , tuned os etc
we bourght than its ours .
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True. But you didnt buy the wp7 os. So micro$oft cant say anything to you about running andoid on your phone. But if you tried to run wp7 on the desire hd, they would be able to do something, because the os hasnt been liscensed to you to run on that phone. When someone purchases an hd7, they have permission to run wp7 on it, or anything else the may want without m$ stepping in. Its not like android which is open source, and free for all to meddle with.
sathara said:
eg:- we buy car . we change tires , paint , tuned engine etc
we buy htc hd2 . we change boot loader , phone pouch , tuned os etc
we bourght than its ours .
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Spot on! Exactly what i think!
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True. But you didnt buy the wp7 os. So micro$oft cant say anything to you about running andoid on your phone. But if you tried to run wp7 on the desire hd, they would be able to do something, because the os hasnt been liscensed to you to run on that phone. When someone purchases an hd7, they have permission to run wp7 on it, or anything else the may want without m$ stepping in. Its not like android which is open source, and free for all to meddle with.
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Don't use it!
It is your right to do whatever you want and not do a thing that you don't want to.
Why someone keeps poping these stupid threads.
There is a great conspiracy with the aliens and MS and Cotulla is hiding from them!
Guys dont get me wrong, I dont give a **** what M$ thinks and if I want it on my phone ill put it on my phone but..
Stop been naive about this, They own teh software and license it out via OEM, technically if they really want to do it they could sue anybody hosting the ROM or anybody supplying the rom, its as simple as that.
This is specifically why things have gone a bit quiet from XDA/DFT, well at least on here anyway.
You guys should just let it be and forget about it, we have our rom and thats all that matters.
All copyright/licensing restrictions are COMMERCIAL. All Commerce operates under Statute law. All statute law is not law at all but COLOR of law and only enforceable WITH YOUR CONSENT. Stop consenting.
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This is not intended to be mean to the ap team but i am posting this because i feel they should of been honest to us from the beginning and just said we can't release yet. My reasons for feeling this way are listed below
1. About 1 month after pk3 dual was released, pawel and the rest of the team changed their signature to rom: top secret and it had been like that even after hdubli posted a ported copy of wm6.1.... why did'nt pawel post a wm6.1 rom when he changed rom to top secret?
2. the team keeps saying stuff like we have a BT bug or screen problems and i realize that there are some updates on the ati driver and stuff but the BT stack that is on the wm6.1 that hdubli released works great. i can use a BT mouse and a BT keyboard, and BT headphone all at the same time and it works great. I can provide a vid if there are doubts
3. Most is importantly even BoyGeniusReport says http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/28/htcs-manilla-gets-screenshotted/ this rom is from the x7510. something i said on the "Athena Project 4.0 coming, but needs...." post 228 but pawel denied this is post 229
in conclusion everyone should stop looking for the release of this rom and start looking for the release of the x7510 cause then and only then will this rom be released. I am only posting this so people can have a realistic outlook on the rom and can stop being dissapointed everyday in the hope it will be released. I did not post this to come down on the team i just feel like there is so much tension on this fourm and i wanted to make my thoughts known.
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Hypothetically speaking...
... Even if this were the case, why would you want him to release pre-release software that could get him in trouble or again, hypothetically, his *source* in trouble? People get fired for leaking stuff, sometimes worse. Personally, I don't need to know where this stuff comes from.
How about we let him work on things and hey, at least there's a better chance that he'll be able to bring us more HTC gems for a possible v5.0.
ok dude the rom is a 7510 rom but no way do i have to wait for it to be released. there still isn't a solid release date. the rom i could give u right now but it needs to properly be tested and bugs be fixed. we release with bugs, u guys complain, we look bad. i can take complaining before the rom then praises when it comes out.
also we have had 6.1 for a while. something like november i got the first athena 6.1 rom with build 19145 if im not mistaken. we have had 6.1 even before that though.
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... Even if this were the case, why would you want him to release pre-release software that could get him in trouble or again, hypothetically, his *source* in trouble? People get fired for leaking stuff, sometimes worse. Personally, I don't need to know where this stuff comes from.
How about we let him work on things and hey, at least there's a better chance that he'll be able to bring us more HTC gems for a possible v5.0.
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1st i never said once that he should release it. what is said was he should tell us he cant release it. i don't remember anywhere in my post and any post for that matter where i said "you should release it right now even if it will get you into trouble or even if its not ready"
On a side note - i also live in orlando, fl and goto ucf do you play halo?
Go Knights!
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1st i never said once that he should release it. what is said was he should tell us he cant release it. i don't remember anywhere in my post and any post for that matter where i said "you should release it right now even if it will get you into trouble or even if its not ready"
On a side note - i also live in orlando, fl and goto ucf do you play halo?
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No kidding - I'm planning on getting back to school this fall myself. Live right around the corner from the Uni. No Halo, since my box was red-lighting again just before my damn cat knocked a cup of water over onto the PSU for it. So i've got a little bit of work to get my box working again... oh yeah and I was banned from Live just before all that too (modded firmware), so yeah I did play halo. Meh
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also we have had 6.1 for a while. something like november i got the first athena 6.1 rom with build 19145 if im not mistaken. we have had 6.1 even before that though.
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but that is my main point for saying that you can't release it yet. you had wm6.1 since november but released a cooked wm6 rom in late november. Don't get me wrong i am grateful for everything you have done and the only point i am trying to make is that you have to wait to release. I have logical points for these thoughts. example: in "Stop the stupid ap 4.0" post 36 - you told someone you have 2 newer builds than 9.5 build 405 but you can't release it.
Look im not trying to get into a pissing match with you, and nothing productive will come out of us arguing back and forth. So if you say it's still buggy and you need more time to test than its buggy and needs more time to test. i will not say another word about it.
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PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
tomary said:
i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
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oooouch, i think that might be a little harsh. You forget they have already posted 3 roms so i think the people who have donated got their moneys worth
My first thought for the team is if you WANT to release, then there's nothing wrong with realeasing a beta--paid software makers do it all the time. Here is a beta with known bugs. Da-ta-da-tada. There's likely unknown bugs too--user beware. That's why its beta. Heck, while its not as optimal,some companies (cough, cough, microsoft,) can release betas as the real deal.
For free (please donations accepted look at the value) roms/software, the bar shouldn't be higher than that of the commercial stuff.
It's funny how this just suddenly went down hill with all the slandering etc etc... I appreciate the time EVERYONE on the AP Team took to make what was (and most of us if not ALL enjoyed it) and what is to be. I personally donated as a sign of gratitude and saying thank you, heck I would've donated if they had even asked for some sort of donation just to teach how they did it instead of releasing a new ROM. Some of you guys are just down right ungreatful and quickly forget all the hard work and time they Team puts in to stand behind their wonderful ROMS. And lets not forget the tons of apps they cook in the ROMS too. So what's the big deal if people want to donate I did it and I'll be doing it again in the near future.
If the team DOES NOT want to release. That is the team's perogative also. This seeming to hang forever on the edge of release is a little nerve wracking and is hard on the fan base,but so what? If we, the fan base, donate less--really--donations are piddly anyway. The team needs to do what they do for the fun of it and the satisfaction of it.
I think it's about time this ROM was released, bugs'n all. Just release as a Beta.
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but that is my main point for saying that you can't release it yet. you had wm6.1 since november but released a cooked wm6 rom in late november. Don't get me wrong i am grateful for everything you have done and the only point i am trying to make is that you have to wait to release. I have logical points for these thoughts. example: in "Stop the stupid ap 4.0" post 36 - you told someone you have 2 newer builds than 9.5 build 405 but you can't release it.
Look im not trying to get into a pissing match with you, and nothing productive will come out of us arguing back and forth. So if you say it's still buggy and you need more time to test than its buggy and needs more time to test. i will not say another word about it.
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thanx just dont like people saying i cant release this until the 7510 is out. i released snapvue before the shift was out and that was ok. i'll also release this new rom before the 7510 is out. i'll also be able to provide details when the 7510 is out and about what the price should be.
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PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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thats why if i cant get it to my liking by friday it will be released as a beta. the 19181 build was just to unstable. it got un usable after a while. u really wanted me to release that? we tried to make it better and got it to about 80% of what it should be but then decided to go for the new 19202 because we got the ok for that. by friday there will be a rom. if all goes well before that u might have a non beta build.
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i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
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you are really getting out of hand. u donate if u like. i provided 4 roms to everyone already. people wanted a vanilla so im making a vanilla. i guess u can't make everyone happy.
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thats why if i cant get it to my liking by friday it will be released as a beta. the 19181 build was just to unstable. it got un usable after a while. u really wanted me to release that? we tried to make it better and got it to about 80% of what it should be but then decided to go for the new 19202 because we got the ok for that. by friday there will be a rom. if all goes well before that u might have a non beta build.
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If you don't mind I don't like getting my hopes up (again). So I'll put it on my calendar for Friday. I'm not hoping for it to be released before that (or maybe I am but trying not to). Dare I say it...? You're not going to disappoint us are you?
And please note. I greatly appreciate your hard work. That’s why I donated! But checking every day to find out that it’s not released it getting a bit tedious . Considering it has been hanging close to being released for quite some time now.
Awaiting delivery
it will be 100% out on friday. whether in beta form or final form. it'll most likely be afternoon local time because thats when i'll have time to release. i would like a tuesday release though because would be very funny... dont u agree??
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it will be 100% out on friday. whether in beta form or final form. it'll most likely be afternoon local time because thats when i'll have time to release. i would like a tuesday release though because would be very funny... dont u agree??
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A few questions (if you don't mind, if you do just don't answer ):
Will the beta be usable? (maybe good to know for less experienced people);
What's your timezone?
NB: no not funny at all, as I said: I'm not getting my hopes up again.
Dear Forum,
Does anybody know if HTC will release an original supported ROM with WM 6.5. for the touch PRo ?
THanks!
I read on an HTC support forum that the Pure will be the first phone to be officially released with a factory 6.5 ROM. There will not be a 6.5 release for any phones older then the Pure.
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I read on an HTC support forum that the Pure will be the first phone to be officially released with a factory 6.5 ROM. There will not be a 6.5 release for any phones older then the Pure.
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Dontcha think thats kinda bogus? I buy a Dell laptop and Microsoft and Dell keep me informed on all updates for my system, regardless of the age of my equipment. Yet the Windows Mobile and HTC community get a "one time help" kinda attitude? I believe HTC and the Windows Mobile Division of Microsoft needs to donate alot to XDA-DEVELOPERS, Blownfuze and the other amazing sites for taking up where they left off...which is actually as soon as u leave the friggin store!
NOTE TO HTC AND MICROSOFT (Windows Mobile division): If u have a product u stand by and u want more ppl to use it; try doing regular updates and software upgrades of the products u say is "ahead of its time" when its at the store. Yet as soon as we walk out the door ur tellin others its "last years 'has-beens'". Word-of-mouth travels faster than u know. Which way do u think Im gonna be swayed?
Im proud to call xda-developers my home for the best programs, software and advice for my HTC devices.
Special thanx goes out to: Noellenchris, DA_G, jcmkjeer, Lexxirae, WhiskeyBro and many many others who have made this site, the programs, advice, add-ons and ROMs the very best they can be. And for welcoming me and treating me with respect, regardless of how dumb my questions or concerns were! LOL
See? Its all about helping thy brother, or sister... and of course shovin our new stuff in the faces of those with lower grade devices, lmao. Sorry, this just seemed to be the right place to put this opinion.
official wm 6.5 touch pro 2 released for southeast asia
http://www.htc.com/sea/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=250&cat=2&dl_id=736
Uhm, you probably already know, but we don't own a Touch Pro 2...We are on the Raphael forum for a reason m8...
All the hardware meets the minimum, (and recommended), requirements, except for one thing. No "start" key. Because of the lack of this one feature, WM 6.5 will not officially be released for the TP1.
http://gizmodo.com/5374876/windows-mobile-65-review-theres-no-excuse-for-this
The second most obvious change is the Start Menu, which Microsoft is so proud of that they've required all 6.5 phone to include a dedicated button for it on all "Windows Phones" a la the Windows Key on a PC.
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my bad
too much sleep. not enough caffeine.
and probably a bit too much wishing.
k-semler said:
All the hardware meets the minimum, (and recommended), requirements, except for one thing. No "start" key. Because of the lack of this one feature, WM 6.5 will not officially be released for the TP1.
http://gizmodo.com/5374876/windows-mobile-65-review-theres-no-excuse-for-this
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Which, as I'm sure we can both agree, is complete bull****. Microsoft should not be able to impose such restrictions on what amounts to an interim release.
phonefan said:
Which, as I'm sure we can both agree, is complete bull****. Microsoft should not be able to impose such restrictions on what amounts to an interim release.
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I'll second that motion. The barrier to an official release being dependent on the graphics of a button on the front of the phone, is assanine to say the least. Remap the "home" button to be "start", and problem solved except for the graphics of the windows flag.
Wow, just wait for genius chef if they can make this device capable of running android. Not sure how can we invite them to start working on this.
Can we all make a combined request to great chefs of Android as they made it possible for HD2 so nothing is impossible for them.
I have to ask: why would we possibly want Android when we have WP7? Surely we would all have bought Nexus S' if we wanted Android :S
Wrong answer.
This is the "Because we can" argument. It's a waste of time. I've been following Android on the HTC diamond and It's not practical purely down to the power management. It just sucks the battery down to nothing after 20 minutes.
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This is the "Because we can" argument. It's a waste of time. I've been following Android on the HTC diamond and It's not practical purely down to the power management. It just sucks the battery down to nothing after 20 minutes.
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Since this phone uses android like hardware that could maybe not be the thing on the mozart, but even so.
I totally agree that it is a waste of time
I want to see Android!! I was not able to purchase the HTC Desire HD... this was the best i could get. So why not have the option to play around....
.....*Sigh*
even if you do get android on the Mozart. Do you honestly think Microsoft will let you use the live functions on it after you have. It won't surprise me if you get an xbox live ban if you piss around with this generation of phones.
I want a phone that can duel boot WP7 and Androd.
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even if you do get android on the Mozart. Do you honestly think Microsoft will let you use the live functions on it after you have. It won't surprise me if you get an xbox live ban if you piss around with this generation of phones.
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i don't really care about what M$ will limit me on... i don't use xbox live anyway... just want android.
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i don't really care about what M$ will limit me on... i don't use xbox live anyway... just want android.
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Then why the hell did you buy a WP7 phone?! And just so that you know, "M$" went out of fashion like 10 years ago, and just makes you seem like a bit of a stuck up idiot.
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... just want android.
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...well, I guess this is reason enough to go buying a WP7 phone and trolling in a forum on how great it would be to have Android on the WP7.
Just a thought: it might seem stupid to you and the answer might even be obvious to everyone but me, but why didn't you buy an Android phone to start with?
- You'd then have an Android device right now
- Would not lose your warranty when you use Android (as you most likely will on WP7 as it will require unlocking or flashing)
- Would not be limited by Microsoft in any way
So maybe I'm missing some point here, but feel free to enlighten me
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...well, I guess this is reason enough to go buying a WP7 phone and trolling in a forum on how great it would be to have Android on the WP7.
Just a thought: it might seem stupid to you and the answer might even be obvious to everyone but me, but why didn't you buy an Android phone to start with?
- You'd then have an Android device right now
- Would not lose your warranty when you use Android (as you most likely will on WP7 as it will require unlocking or flashing)
- Would not be limited by Microsoft in any way
So maybe I'm missing some point here, but feel free to enlighten me
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Well, I have no doubt on your opinion, in fact most of the people would have same opinion, Don't you think its a very simple thing that one can't miss, if we want android then go and buy android,
but according to me there are two ways to live life, one simplest way and second to go beyond limit and do something different.
if we buy android then there is near to impossible to enjoy windows 7 but if we have wp7 then there is possibility to enjoy android and that's in bl** single device wow. no need to have two sim two phone to enjoy life.
After all that's my desire that One day Chef will come and listen to us.
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even if you do get android on the Mozart. Do you honestly think Microsoft will let you use the live functions on it after you have. It won't surprise me if you get an xbox live ban if you piss around with this generation of phones.
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I think he means like MAGLDR on Mozart = DUAL BOOT Android and WP7. Or quadruple boot WM6, WM7, Ubuntu, Android as I am doing here on my HD2 which works on LIVE and Marketplace ACTIVE as a HD7.
Android on mozart would be interesting. Reasonably easy to do once bit more work with ansar's work and his spl upgrade/hack maybe (global branding removal) + htc rom image editor etc and debug. It will happen.
Older phones as mentioned in this thread+droid=sux. HD2+Android (espeially Magldr+Darkstone SUPER-NAND RAM-build on Nand=AMAZING).
But yes- it is EASY to get around LIVE activation: read HD2 threads: and no Magldr 1.12 loads a simulacrum SPL for WP7 from nand yaffs which straps WP7 partitions so there is no real way that Microsoft can lock your phone down. Its LIVE!
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I think he means like MAGLDR on Mozart = DUAL BOOT Android and WP7. Or quadruple boot WM6, WM7, Ubuntu, Android as I am doing here on my HD2 which works on LIVE and Marketplace ACTIVE as a HD7.
Android on mozart would be interesting. Reasonably easy to do once bit more work with ansar's work and his spl upgrade/hack maybe (global branding removal) + htc rom image editor etc and debug. It will happen.
Older phones as mentioned in this thread+droid=sux. HD2+Android (espeially Magldr+Darkstone SUPER-NAND RAM-build on Nand=AMAZING).
But yes- it is EASY to get around LIVE activation: read HD2 threads: and no Magldr 1.12 loads a simulacrum SPL for WP7 from nand yaffs which straps WP7 partitions so there is no real way that Microsoft can lock your phone down. Its LIVE!
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you are wrong..... Microsoft will know which phone been modified from HD2 by using hardware id..... muahahaha.... you are using illegal OS....
Afaik Mozart is the only handset with a 1ghz+ CPU and a Xenon flash that is "potentially" capable of running android, that fact alone makes it worth modding on imo. Would be fun to see if someone got it working, but right now I'm hoping the motoroi 2 will come out soon =)
Edit: And about legality - many countries (like norway) have laws that forbid EULAs that restrict using other software on your hardware, effectively nullifying that concern
im looking for experiment like this, run android on mozart or any wp7 phone.
Would be great, but i think there isn't a big community for Mozart 7, and special for Android on Mozart
can someone explain me how easy would it be done if this tool from DFT is now out?
HSPL / RSPL for HTC WP7 First Generation
can someone explain me how easy would it be done if this tool from DFT is now out?
HSPL / RSPL for HTC WP7 First Generation
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even if you do get android on the Mozart. Do you honestly think Microsoft will let you use the live functions on it after you have. It won't surprise me if you get an xbox live ban if you piss around with this generation of phones.
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your live id is stored in the phones registry
If you are running androind there is no access to that
How could microsoft ban you, magic?
Running androind i would have thought it's pretty clear you wont have access to live functions
but aside from that.
Running custom roms are 'fun' and it's why these forums exist
Hey, you probably heard that WP7 has been ported on HD2.
Well, that's a great start. But I think we can try it out... Even it would be a lot buggy or slow or anything else... I think if we contact DFT (Dark Forces Team) they might help us out... I know it's near impossible (because of our ARMv6 CPU. == WP7 needs an ARMv7 CPU which HD2 has it.) But it's not impossible completely... Let's do something about it... What do you say devs?
I'm just waiting for the hackers team is to discuss about this. Because I am only new person in the world PHONE.
im will suporter to u all
Come on ,it will be great to run wp7 on topaz
Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a port for the Topaz, and I'd probly try it out... But I'm looking forward to the cracking of WP7 on WP7 phones so that I can upgrade to a new phone and not be stuck with that horrible start screen
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I appreciate that... But as I mentioned above, it's near impossible... Not completely. Your'e right... Topaz has ARMv6 processor... WP7 requires ARMv7. But i'm talking about experiencing it on Topaz... By the way, I agree with oldness of Topaz... I'm gonna buy a Desire HD
It's wishfull thinking and never going to happen. The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
hoosbude said:
The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
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And wouldn't that be great!!!!
That ain't true I find that the ui from wp7 is lite and simple. This can easily be ported to our devices with a little magic. But The part of windows live games or xbox live is the part that our devices cant handle. Our devices aren't old they where made cheap by htc and att to cover some sectors of the market. But our devices could have been easily been made with the same stuff as hd2, as few months passed since each launched.
The ui is simpler than ours and faster I think it could be done......just that I need to finish studying by then to make this. And I don't think of waiting is another great idea. As we are shadowed by what could have been if we had a twin processor to hd2's. But, we bought this and I find it great!
And please respect each other!!!!!
I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
mahra said:
I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
wp7 requires ARMv7 instruction set on cpu. but topaz is just ARMv6 i think. that's why I think it's not possible
Moreover, why would you want WP7? The only thing it has going for it is that it runs smoothly and doesn't crash, which it would NOT do if someone did manage to port it. Better off building skins over 6.5.x; that way you could at least retain functionality...
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
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I am waiting, good luck man
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
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actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
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I agree. I'm moving to iPhone 4 or Sensation or EVO 3D...
Hi all, we all know the main Windows Phone 7 bugs on our HTC HD2.
There were lots of threads and everytime we stated that the fixing process would need a professional developer (and he has to be a good one).
Professional developers work for money, so i had this idea:
We can propose a job for a developer on www.getacoder.com and pay him with our money, together.
I'm not asking for money, i'd just like to know how much will you pay for this.
I'll take the total amount as payment, so please be honest as, if you say you'll give to this project 10$, your 10$ are needed by the project itself!
I also thought about splitting the work (fixing one bug at time), this will make it easyer to find developers to work on it succesfully.
So, how much are you going to pay to get a fully working Windows Phone 7?
If you think this is a good idea, thank me and share it with your friends Higher we get, faster we will get bugs fixed
15 euro ...
Ahother funny thread .....
Why? Don't you think anybody will be able to do that?
I hope this doesn't turn into a crazy high bounty thread.. haha
dual boot mango and AmericanDroid?
I would love a stable build WP7 mango and dual boot American Droid 2. 3. 4, I would donate up to 50$
has anyone done this successfuly?
trav_44 said:
I would love a stable build WP7 mango and dual boot American Droid 2. 3. 4, I would donate up to 50$
has anyone done this successfuly?
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Not yet as far as i know, that's why we are here
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I hope this doesn't turn into a crazy high bounty thread.. haha
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In fact, let's hope so Higher "bounties" means more money to pay developers
Professional or not I will donate 30$ to 50$ (depending on the success) to put everything working, specially camera,multitouch and Bluetooth drain in standby..
Sent from my HD2 using XDA App
Developer is last thing you will need. The first most important - get documentation from HTC fully describing HD2 hardware(ports adresses, interrupts and other hardware parameters) in details. And tools as well. This has to be hardware device driver programming. It takes a lot of time and effort even with documentation, but imposible without. It is not web or graphics or kind of this programming.
So first collect money to pay HTC for docs. Or better idea - collect money to pay HTC to develop perfect drivers.
That is why this and other threads like this will lead to nowhere without documentation.
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Developer is last thing you will need. The first most important - get documentation from HTC fully describing HD2 hardware(ports adresses, interrupts and other hardware parameters) in details. And tools as well. This has to be hardware device driver programming. It takes a lot of time and effort even with documentation, but imposible without. It is not web or graphics or kind of this programming.
So first collect money to pay HTC for docs. Or better idea - collect money to pay HTC to develop perfect drivers.
That is why this and other threads like this will lead to nowhere without documentation.
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I know, electronic is my field, but if someone who knows how to do it, decompiles drivers, he can get the needed informations. I know ASM is not easy and it's hard to understand what the code does, that's why, this time, we need a professional developer payed to do so instead of the (maybe) community developers which can work on this only in the spare time.
Your theory sounds good, but ...
Did you ever try to disassemble any hardware driver for such a complex device? Without anything...
Even if someone will get some information back from reverse engineering existing drivers it won't be complete enough to modify/make drivers perfectly working. It is all guessing without proper information - results are unknown. Who will pay for unknown results?
Possibility is only find contacts with HTC to get docs. DTF probably has such contacts(i don't know how deep are contacts)
All others ways i think(based on my experience in reverse engineering) just dreams and waste of time....
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Your theory sounds good, but ...
Did you ever try to disassemble any hardware driver for such a complex device? Without anything...
Even if someone will get some information back from reverse engineering existing drivers it won't be complete enough to modify/make drivers perfectly working. It is all guessing without proper information - results are unknown. Who will pay for unknown results?
Possibility is only find contacts with HTC to get docs. DTF probably has such contacts(i don't know how deep are contacts)
All others ways i think(based on my experience in reverse engineering) just dreams and waste of time....
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Why? If he manage to understand how the hardware works, he can do that. As I said it's an hard way, but i don't think HTC is going to give us their private specs.
Because world made this way....
You can't get good from bad drivers- simple if like this way....
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Because world made this way....
You can't get good from bad drivers- simple if like this way....
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If DFT has made those semi-working drivers and, as you think, they have contacts with HTC, maybe they are still working on them?
DFT didn't do any drivers for HD2. Drivers were made by HTC for internal testing purpose only. that is why they are so buggy - not finished. DFT found the way how to get that test ROM and drivers from HTC. And surely they have contacts with HTC - official/unofficial i don't know.
P.S. i don't think anyone working on drivers - for this long period of time(from first test ROM to Mango) we don't see any kind of progress.
Looks like all serious developers forgot about HD2(exept Xboxmod). Sad, but it is life.... A lots of new devices with good drivers around(they are not so unique as HD2, but devs don't care)
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I would love a stable build WP7 mango and dual boot American Droid 2. 3. 4, I would donate up to 50$
has anyone done this successfuly?
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I don't know about the others but Yuki and Xboxmod's back to the future rom does wonders...I am currently dual booting back to the future rom with SD American Android 2.3.5. I have no bugs to report with the back to the future mango rom while dual booting back and forth with american android. I currently just adjusted the notification sounds by researching and reading threads found here...all of which was given for free...J
i think Cotulla is able to write drivers, he done it for android/linux kernel, he knows hw and sw very well, and i think that donations to DFT team are better than find a new dev.
DFT is very experienced, and they done a lot for us, from linux kernel contribution, magldr, firsts android and wp7 ROMs, and they are in contacts with HTC.
They done a lot for us for free, they spent a lot time working to improve our hd2, it's time to say thanks to DFT
i will donate 20€ for fully fixed HD2 drivers:
1)multitouch
2)battery meter
3)green tint camera
4)high drain on standby
Cotulla contact is https://twitter.com/CotullaCode
or http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=600525
It's last twit is: Yes. In our future plans for LEO: DFT Hornet, DFT Legacynd, DFT Ultrafruit and DFT MAGLDR200. Then maybe DFT Legasto...
Donations to Cotulla is the best choise for me
What are those projects?
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What are those projects?
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i think a new Desire based Android ROM
a new WP7.5 Mango ROM
a new MAGLDR 2.0
and new tools for WP?
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i think a new Desire based Android ROM
a new WP7.5 Mango ROM
a new MAGLDR 2.0
and new tools for WP?
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Let's hope so