I am wondering what is the point of just pursuing higher Quadrant score?
Ok, you got a high quadrant score, does it mean your phone is running better?
Better has different aspects:
stability
speed
battery consumption
usability
so, come on guys, please stop pursuing higher score blindly!
I always see people posting how hight their quadrant score were, but not mentioning if their phone were working better with that high scores.
anguslaw said:
I am wondering what is the point of just pursuing higher Quadrant score?
Ok, you got a high quadrant score, does it mean your phone is running better?
Better has different aspects:
stability
speed
battery consumption
usability
so, come on guys, please stop pursuing higher score blindly!
I always see people posting how hight their quadrant score were, but not mentioning if their phone were working better with that high scores.
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The point of going for a high quadrant score is speed & response, the higher quadrant is the higher the response and speed of the OS will be ,cause if you check in quadrant it checks CPU/RAM/3D/2D/I/O.
The 3D,2D and RAM doesnt change between OS's but CPU and I/O does,because I/O is the "Input / Output" that if it is higher,the OS will work alot smoother nevertheless because its clean and simple just how it was ment to be.
Also 2.1 and 2.2 does make a diference,i mean read about the diferences and they say the 2.2 can be between 100% to 500% faster,and if you check stock 2.1's 500 compared to stock 2.2's 1400,you get around 280% more speed.
Battery Consumption / Stability : It has nothing to do with Q's scores,thats more of the OS configuration and CPU Scaling.
Just try it out yourself : Use Normal SE 0.24 and do Q ,youll get around 500 or so,and you will notice the OS is very laggy even without a live wallpaper.
Now go for FreeX10 2.2 and do Q,youll get around 1400 and it will work awesomely fast even WITH a live wallpaper.
So in one brief description : The higher Q's score is,the better the device's Hardware interacts with its Software giving you smoother and faster usability of it,and stability + battery consumption is something totally diferent that if they dont work as they should,can be fixed by modifying the OS and its settings.
Edit : Thats why we are after high Q's scores rather than Linpack scores,Linpack only tests CPU speed by using the language defined in the OS (JIT etc)and even if it would be 120 would be useless if the I/O is rubbish.
So yeah,Q's score marks a diference.
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Hi... I have rooted my Samsung GS2 and payed for the OC app TEGRAK ..
But every time I go over 1400mhz the phone gets very unstable.
It even feezes at 1400 mhz when i use my navigon app...
I have tested it at 1500 mhz.. But reboots in a kind of save mode.,,,
At 1400mhz i runs Quadrant smooth with 4200 in score
And 56 MFLOPS in Linpack
But why is my phone so unstalbe?
But why is my phone so unstalbe?
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Because it's supposed to run at 1.2Ghz.
If every SGS2 was able to run at 1.4Ghz without any issue I guess Samsung would have set them at 1.4Ghz by default (since battery life is obviously the least of their concerns ^^). When CPUs are produced, there's always variations in quality. what usually happens on x86 CPUs is that they're tested, sorted according to their max stable frequency, and then sold under different names and at different prices. For Exynos my guess is that any CPU that fails to pass the 1.2Ghz bar is just ditched, and they keep the others, some of which will work at 1.4Ghz, whereas some won't.
Now if you want to gain more stability, you can always try to increase the voltage, it usually gets more stable as voltage increases, but it also gets hotter (which can cause it to crash, or may even permanently damage the processor).
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Because it's supposed to run at 1.2Ghz.
If every SGS2 was able to run at 1.4Ghz without any issue I guess Samsung would have set them at 1.4Ghz by default (since battery life is obviously the least of their concerns ^^). When CPUs are produced, there's always variations in quality. what usually happens on x86 CPUs is that they're tested, sorted according to their max stable frequency, and then sold under different names and at different prices. For Exynos my guess is that any CPU that fails to pass the 1.2Ghz bar is just ditched, and they keep the others, some of which will work at 1.4Ghz, whereas some won't.
Now if you want to gain more stability, you can always try to increase the voltage, it usually gets more stable as voltage increases, but it also gets hotter (which can cause it to crash, or may even permanently damage the processor).
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At 1.4ghz the phone will also get hotter and it decreases the lifetime if you run 24/7 at 1.4ghz
Ok.. I know about the x86 cpu's.. But didn't think it was the same in ARM cpu's-
But I see ALOT SGS2 that runs 1800mhz..
I guess that I just have one of the not so OC lilkes...
Overclocking won't always work for everyone at same levels.
I've also seen evidence to suggest that OCing significantly reduces the life of the SGS2. Nobnut had his phone vastly overheating even on stock speeds, and constantly rebooting... He overclocked. A number of others reported similar.
Overclocking is not simple and it is not that you just click on 1400/1500 MHz and you are Overclocked. A lot of things matter here. When we overclock in our Desktops then we have to test it very thoroughly, setting up the right VCore, Bus voltage, Multiplier, checking the stability and temperature etc. etc. Tegrak OC is a nice and simple software to use, but it can't be perfect when you can't set all the settings manually other that just higher the clock rate. Personally I'd always stay with stock speed as incorrect OC could harm my CPU and GPU.
Regards.
If you know anything about overclocking then you'll understand that there are a variety of factors that affect the overclocking of a system. The overclock headroom you get from a processor varies, add to that the variables in component tolerance in the circuit board and you have a huge variety of factors that can limit the maximum frequency that you can overclock your system to.
I'll give you an example using my computers. Click on the images below:
Both processor overclock similarly on using the same components and that was the maximum I could get out of them. Now when I bought an EVGA X58 Classified motherboard and overclocked the Xeon W3520 I got it up to 4704 MHz with less vCore and less CPU VTT. All of this was done with aircooling.
My point is that not all systems will overclock the same even though they share the same model components.
just my observation: Quadrant run for touchpad only gives score of around 2400... my nook color with 1.3ghz single core gives score of over 2600 all the time!!! i looked into the device info, it seems like it only using 1 core!!! does cm7 only recognizing one core??? what r ur guys thought??? is there a fix for it or any kernels that utilize both cores of touchpad!!!
The Quadrant results on the TP are skewed because the GPU code has not yet been implemented (or optimized) which primarily affects the FPS section (looks like is is only doing about 4 frames per second) where all the other graphics demos (especially the planet one) do 20-60 frames per second which is a 300%-600% improvement over the Nook Color running 1.2GHz.
I would be interested in other benchmarks that are not dependent on the GPU code.
try using Antutu - free from market
it separates the scores according to each test
(also shows total)
i got around 5000 - OC 1.7 ghz
Maybe it is because we are running an un-optimized alpha build...Don't worry about synthetic benchmarks anyway.
Both cores are already being used, what is your processor clocked too?
I'm completely aware benchmarks don't really mean much, but for curiosities sake, out of 3 runs, I averaged 3228 in quadrant. I am overclocked to 1782mhz ondemand.
I suggest you run SunSpider also.
How are other android touchpads doing? W / the 1.7ghz overclock I'm hitting a Max of 98ish mflops and 3300+ on quadrant! Which makes it my fastest Droid to date. Lets see if anybody can post a better quadrant screenshot?
richard head said:
How are other android touchpads doing? W / the 1.7ghz overclock I'm hitting a Max of 98ish mflops and 3300+ on quadrant! Which makes it my fastest Droid to date. Lets see if anybody can post a better quadrant screenshot?
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i overclock my touchpad to 1.782 ghz. do you know how to overclock gpu
adreno 220 is in 266 mhz original but i need to overclock it to 300 mhz because its a very good frequency or 320 mhz
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Think I beat you
Fastest I've gotten. Have not really tried with the latest versions.
general feeling is that as far as benchmarks go, quadrant is crap
should try antutu instead.
ive a thread in this section somewhere where some people have posted results
This discussion seems a bit flawed, in that you're gauging performance based upon benchmark software, etc. We've talked about this a lot over the past year, and most of these tests are very dependent upon specific hardware setups, usually in much older devices with older chipsets. My Nexus S w/ a single-core 1ghz UNDERCLOCKED to 880mhz scores a 3500 all the time in Quadrant. No way in hell it's better than the touchpad. It's not even a fair fight, if you compare raw specs.
Do you judge the performance of your computer based on how fast it can perform iterations of Prime 95? No, you judge it based on user experience.
Is your user experience with CM7 very fast? I know mine is. Based on that, and the experience I get with gfx-intense apps like GTA3, etc, I say the performance is very good.
PS. The fact that Quadrant to this day still has the Nexus One as its top reference device says something about it being old and outdated. The Nexus One came out in Jan 2010, 2 years ago.
Ok I bought a GT-I9300 and after some months I thought about installing a custom rom.The cynanogen 10.1 rom installed perfectly ran a benchmark test and got 15568 after installing siyah custom kernel i started benchmarking at 1300 mhz,1500mhz and finally 1800 mhz.
The results were quite impressive but i want more the results i got were 18843 but i saw 20218 running at 1600 mhz and the resolution was 716x92 this got me thinking how did he manage that and it was android 4.1.2. By the way im running 4.2.2.
the results don't mean anything
it may be low because apps running background and actually you may get good score on 4.1.2 roms as there are many roms based on 4.1.2, so the developers do so much to improve perfomance.. so try without any app and if you search you may fina an thread which may help you to overclock to an whooping 2ghz
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Ok i increased the voltage from 1400 mv to 1475 mv and got 19470 killed some background apps and overclocked my GPU to 700mhz max minimum 440 mhz to get a constant 700mhz i have to set them all at 700 mhz.And by the way a guy got 27312 HOW DID HE GET THAT??!!!
and another guy has 1080x1980 resolution on s3??? how? is there some kind of mod?
Cipi23 said:
Ok i increased the voltage from 1400 mv to 1475 mv and got 19470 killed some background apps and overclocked my GPU to 700mhz max minimum 440 mhz to get a constant 700mhz i have to set them all at 700 mhz.And by the way a guy got 27312 HOW DID HE GET THAT??!!!
and another guy has 1080x1980 resolution on s3??? how? is there some kind of mod?
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If you search across the web,you may find that there are some cheating cases with these benchmarks..
Cipi23 said:
Ok i increased the voltage from 1400 mv to 1475 mv and got 19470 killed some background apps and overclocked my GPU to 700mhz max minimum 440 mhz to get a constant 700mhz i have to set them all at 700 mhz.And by the way a guy got 27312 HOW DID HE GET THAT??!!!
and another guy has 1080x1980 resolution on s3??? how? is there some kind of mod?
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Why the obsession with particular scores? My S3, running codecrom 10.6.1 is silky smooth and tbh I have no idea what my benchmark scores are and don't care. Yes there are endless tweaks and settings that can be changed to massage your scores but they wont make your phone any better.
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Why the obsession with particular scores? My S3, running codecrom 10.6.1 is silky smooth and tbh I have no idea what my benchmark scores are and don't care. Yes there are endless tweaks and settings that can be changed to massage your scores but they wont make your phone any better.
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Exactly, I really don't get why people overclock their CPU/GPU to get higher scores. I mean what good does it do? I undervolted and underclocked my CPU to get a better battery-life and the device is still smooth as silk but also gives me better battery-life. It`s never really healthy to overclock your device.
Try to cool down your CPU.
Liquid nitorgen or helium can do the job.
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Exactly, I really don't get why people overclock their CPU/GPU to get higher scores. I mean what good does it do? I undervolted and underclocked my CPU to get a better battery-life and the device is still smooth as silk but also gives me better battery-life. It`s never really healthy to overclock your device.
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I only use 2 cores on my sgs3 at 1ghz )))) that was a test on how high my phone could go i disable the other 2 cores because they drained battery life.
Cipi23 said:
I only use 2 cores on my sgs3 at 1ghz
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it's a joke, right?
Glebun said:
it's a joke, right?
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Yes mate a clue is the title of the thread .
No sane person would be serious with that topic would they ???
jje
"Look, these numbers must mean something!"
No, they don't. This benchmark is pointless. You can get better "using" results on lower numbers than on high ones. For example cpu governor. Pegasusq based on Perseus kernel will try to balance used cores based on system load to improve battery life and performance at the same time. Because of that you can get much less points but overall it'll still perform as good as locking 100% all cores, of course if you'll in fact need such power. What's the freaking point using 100% of CPU for simple 2d game for example if it needs only about 10%?
Wow did a antutu test on both of my phones and was expecting my L 9 to beat my escape. Boy was I suprised! My l 9 got a 10,568 ( pretty good compared to some). Then I ran the escape. My jaw dropped when I saw the amazing score of 15139. WHOA, it beat it in every catagory except RAM operation. My l 9 is running kumas rom with pure performance tweaks with cpu overclocked at 1.2 ghz. The escape is running sphinx rom with no cpu tweaks. Strange thing is every stats info I see on the escape says it has 1.2 ghz dc snapdragon. However im getting 1.5 ghz??? hmm Whats everyone else scores looking like for their L 9 ?
I get around 11k running mateo's CM 10.2 ROM.
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I have 9,616 running CyanogenMod 10.2 official (19/11/2013) :crying:
DarwinDeLaRosa said:
I have 9,616 running CyanogenMod 10.2 official (19/11/2013) :crying:
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That's because custom rom overclock both CPU & GPU so it has higher score.
My L9 on CM 10.2 by mateo with stock cpu and gpu speeds i have 9843 pts
With CPU at 1,2 GHz i have 10671
With stock CPU and GPU at 384 MHz i have 9732 pts
With CPU at 1,2 GHz and GPU at 384 MHz i have 10706
With CPU at 1,35 GHz and GPU at 384 MHz i have 11502
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My l 9 is running kumas rom with pure performance tweaks with cpu overclocked at 1.2 ghz. The escape is running sphinx rom with no cpu tweaks. Strange thing is every stats info I see on the escape says it has 1.2 ghz dc snapdragon. However im getting 1.5 ghz??? hmm Whats everyone else scores looking like for their L 9 ?
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Your LG Escape has got a better cpu and gpu and it would have shown better performance anyway. My L9 running stock showed maximum of 9600 with pure performance tweaks. But I don't think Antutu points can give you a good idea of how fast and smooth your phone is
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Your LG Escape has got a better cpu and gpu and it would have shown better performance anyway. My L9 running stock showed maximum of 9600 with pure performance tweaks. But I don't think Antutu points can give you a good idea of how fast and smooth your phone is
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Thats what I was getting at. Despite having a better cpu and gpu on the escape using both phones side by side in real world use the L9 performs better ALL around. The gpu was a big part of the escapes high score. However in side by side comparisons the L9S graphics seems to look better and out perform the escape. So I honestly believe all benchmark scores reflects what the phones software/hardware is CAPABLE of performing not really HOW it performs with daily use. This would explain why a score can as much as double by simply running a custom rom. I would never solely base my opinion of a phones performance on a benchmark score. Sure it can give you a idea of what its software/hardware is capable of. However you cant honestly get a true feel for the performance until you try the phone. So my escape murders my L9 in benchmark scores. BUT my L9 murders my escape in real life usable performance. Anyone else agree with this?
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BUT my L9 murders my escape in real life usable performance. Anyone else agree with this?
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Yeah, I got your point! I guess, the only good thing about the Escape's cpu and gpu is that it's more battery-friendly, isn't it?
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Yeah, I got your point! I guess, the only good thing about the Escape's cpu and gpu is that it's more battery-friendly, isn't it?
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Yep, and both phones use the exact same battery. The escapes standby battery life is much longer than the L9 . During normal use the escape lasts longer as well by not to the degree of the standby difference.