just my observation: Quadrant run for touchpad only gives score of around 2400... my nook color with 1.3ghz single core gives score of over 2600 all the time!!! i looked into the device info, it seems like it only using 1 core!!! does cm7 only recognizing one core??? what r ur guys thought??? is there a fix for it or any kernels that utilize both cores of touchpad!!!
The Quadrant results on the TP are skewed because the GPU code has not yet been implemented (or optimized) which primarily affects the FPS section (looks like is is only doing about 4 frames per second) where all the other graphics demos (especially the planet one) do 20-60 frames per second which is a 300%-600% improvement over the Nook Color running 1.2GHz.
I would be interested in other benchmarks that are not dependent on the GPU code.
try using Antutu - free from market
it separates the scores according to each test
(also shows total)
i got around 5000 - OC 1.7 ghz
Maybe it is because we are running an un-optimized alpha build...Don't worry about synthetic benchmarks anyway.
Both cores are already being used, what is your processor clocked too?
I'm completely aware benchmarks don't really mean much, but for curiosities sake, out of 3 runs, I averaged 3228 in quadrant. I am overclocked to 1782mhz ondemand.
I suggest you run SunSpider also.
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from the Streak's wiki page I know that we have a 1 GHZ cpu and a decent gpu in the Streak. The Iphone 4 also has a 1 GHZ cpu. Assuming that the Iphone's hardware is a little more upmarket than the Streak's I'm still completely confused why the Iphone (even the old 3GS) plays Epic Citadel ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvSckim3GzI ) at a high framerate whereas my Streak can't even play Dungeon Defenders (an Unreal 3 engine based game) at an acceptable framerate.
I am running froyo 2.2.2 and I'm getting 1200 points in the Quadrant test.
Comparing the Epic Citadel demo with the Streak stuttering at some older gameloft titles I wonder how much faster the Iphone really is ? Seems the Iphone has several times the power of a Streak or Nexus or Desire etc...
How come ?
Also: Is it normal that more demanding games like Dungeon Defenders have terrible performance on the Streak ?
Are you on a stock rom? which one
I'd prob be a bit faster on streakdroid + OC
You are talking about 2 different platforms.
I do not play games so cannot really answer you question but dont go with the quadrant numbers.
I'm on stock 2.2.2 but according to other peoples quadrant score custom roms aren't much faster.
I mean the epic citadel demo features almost next gen graphics wheras the Streak (and probably any non dualcore android phone) offers playstation 1 (maybe 2) like 3d performance.
Just wondering how the iphone achieves that. Especially as the citadel demo also runs on the old iphone 3gs which only has a 600mhz cpu.
I guess the citadel demo is somehow tweaked in the highest possible way. The android smartphones are not that optimized for specific applications because it's a more open platform.
powervrs tend to be a bit faster then adrenos
the iphone 3gs uses a SGX535 i believe?
the s5 uses an adreno 200
powervr chips have always been faster then adreno in 3d/gpu
streakdroid averages 1600 in quad and can go up to 2600 with perfmod (though the latter doesnt do as much as the former)
more importantly you can oc the cpu to 1.1ghz and possibly higher in the future, seeing as snapdragon is an SoC the gpu might be tied to the cpu's clockrate and ocing might improve it a bit.
If the whole thing is gpu bound it doesnt really matter how fast/slow the cpu is (unless it reverses back to being cpu bound)
if you want a more fair comparison try something like the galaxy s (1) it uses the sgx535 i believe
It could be a driver issue as the s5 isnt exactly the best in the case of drivers, you could also compare it to other snapdragon 8x50 chips like in the nexus 1 or htc desire
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I'm on stock 2.2.2 but according to other peoples quadrant score custom roms aren't much faster.
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my streaks quadrant score is between 1900 and 2200 dependent on how it feels at the time
the custom roms are a lot faster then what dell has to offer
Stock roms are slower since they have a lot of hardware acceleration turned off, some can be reenabled by editing build.props and some require a custom kernel (like in streakdroid)
Half the real work on streakdroid is irking out every performence tweak that dj_steve and fards knows of, but not all of them are stable so they become optional (like perfmod)
After downloading dungeon defenders and poking around on title screen/opening lvl thing it seems acceptly fast if you turn down resolution,
i cant find how to turn on fps counter though
But isn't there a 60fps cap in the stock rom. So you can't really compare it to custom roms...
Fps cap doesnt matter if you're not even hitting it, I'm pretty sure even with res turned down it's still only running at mabye ~30 fps?
Hi... I have rooted my Samsung GS2 and payed for the OC app TEGRAK ..
But every time I go over 1400mhz the phone gets very unstable.
It even feezes at 1400 mhz when i use my navigon app...
I have tested it at 1500 mhz.. But reboots in a kind of save mode.,,,
At 1400mhz i runs Quadrant smooth with 4200 in score
And 56 MFLOPS in Linpack
But why is my phone so unstalbe?
But why is my phone so unstalbe?
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Because it's supposed to run at 1.2Ghz.
If every SGS2 was able to run at 1.4Ghz without any issue I guess Samsung would have set them at 1.4Ghz by default (since battery life is obviously the least of their concerns ^^). When CPUs are produced, there's always variations in quality. what usually happens on x86 CPUs is that they're tested, sorted according to their max stable frequency, and then sold under different names and at different prices. For Exynos my guess is that any CPU that fails to pass the 1.2Ghz bar is just ditched, and they keep the others, some of which will work at 1.4Ghz, whereas some won't.
Now if you want to gain more stability, you can always try to increase the voltage, it usually gets more stable as voltage increases, but it also gets hotter (which can cause it to crash, or may even permanently damage the processor).
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Because it's supposed to run at 1.2Ghz.
If every SGS2 was able to run at 1.4Ghz without any issue I guess Samsung would have set them at 1.4Ghz by default (since battery life is obviously the least of their concerns ^^). When CPUs are produced, there's always variations in quality. what usually happens on x86 CPUs is that they're tested, sorted according to their max stable frequency, and then sold under different names and at different prices. For Exynos my guess is that any CPU that fails to pass the 1.2Ghz bar is just ditched, and they keep the others, some of which will work at 1.4Ghz, whereas some won't.
Now if you want to gain more stability, you can always try to increase the voltage, it usually gets more stable as voltage increases, but it also gets hotter (which can cause it to crash, or may even permanently damage the processor).
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At 1.4ghz the phone will also get hotter and it decreases the lifetime if you run 24/7 at 1.4ghz
Ok.. I know about the x86 cpu's.. But didn't think it was the same in ARM cpu's-
But I see ALOT SGS2 that runs 1800mhz..
I guess that I just have one of the not so OC lilkes...
Overclocking won't always work for everyone at same levels.
I've also seen evidence to suggest that OCing significantly reduces the life of the SGS2. Nobnut had his phone vastly overheating even on stock speeds, and constantly rebooting... He overclocked. A number of others reported similar.
Overclocking is not simple and it is not that you just click on 1400/1500 MHz and you are Overclocked. A lot of things matter here. When we overclock in our Desktops then we have to test it very thoroughly, setting up the right VCore, Bus voltage, Multiplier, checking the stability and temperature etc. etc. Tegrak OC is a nice and simple software to use, but it can't be perfect when you can't set all the settings manually other that just higher the clock rate. Personally I'd always stay with stock speed as incorrect OC could harm my CPU and GPU.
Regards.
If you know anything about overclocking then you'll understand that there are a variety of factors that affect the overclocking of a system. The overclock headroom you get from a processor varies, add to that the variables in component tolerance in the circuit board and you have a huge variety of factors that can limit the maximum frequency that you can overclock your system to.
I'll give you an example using my computers. Click on the images below:
Both processor overclock similarly on using the same components and that was the maximum I could get out of them. Now when I bought an EVGA X58 Classified motherboard and overclocked the Xeon W3520 I got it up to 4704 MHz with less vCore and less CPU VTT. All of this was done with aircooling.
My point is that not all systems will overclock the same even though they share the same model components.
How are other android touchpads doing? W / the 1.7ghz overclock I'm hitting a Max of 98ish mflops and 3300+ on quadrant! Which makes it my fastest Droid to date. Lets see if anybody can post a better quadrant screenshot?
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How are other android touchpads doing? W / the 1.7ghz overclock I'm hitting a Max of 98ish mflops and 3300+ on quadrant! Which makes it my fastest Droid to date. Lets see if anybody can post a better quadrant screenshot?
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i overclock my touchpad to 1.782 ghz. do you know how to overclock gpu
adreno 220 is in 266 mhz original but i need to overclock it to 300 mhz because its a very good frequency or 320 mhz
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Think I beat you
Fastest I've gotten. Have not really tried with the latest versions.
general feeling is that as far as benchmarks go, quadrant is crap
should try antutu instead.
ive a thread in this section somewhere where some people have posted results
This discussion seems a bit flawed, in that you're gauging performance based upon benchmark software, etc. We've talked about this a lot over the past year, and most of these tests are very dependent upon specific hardware setups, usually in much older devices with older chipsets. My Nexus S w/ a single-core 1ghz UNDERCLOCKED to 880mhz scores a 3500 all the time in Quadrant. No way in hell it's better than the touchpad. It's not even a fair fight, if you compare raw specs.
Do you judge the performance of your computer based on how fast it can perform iterations of Prime 95? No, you judge it based on user experience.
Is your user experience with CM7 very fast? I know mine is. Based on that, and the experience I get with gfx-intense apps like GTA3, etc, I say the performance is very good.
PS. The fact that Quadrant to this day still has the Nexus One as its top reference device says something about it being old and outdated. The Nexus One came out in Jan 2010, 2 years ago.
Does anyone know an app or a website with the the Mali T-604's full specifications. Like gpu clockspeed, V-RAM, GFLOPS, anything else. Thank you in advanced. (I already know it's quad-core, and I read that it's 423Mhz, and 512Mb of V-RAM, but I need confirmation lol).
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http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-plus-gpu-compute/mali-t604.php Shows a bit of features but nothing like clock speed or GFLOPS.
Judging from: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39719050#post39719050 It would seem the GPU can clock at 100Mhz, 160MHz, 266MHz, 400MHz, 450MHz, and 533MHz (not sure if this is custom behavior or stock).
and custom kernels have shown we EASILY (like on stock volts easy) can overclock from 533MHz up to 720MHz. This GPU can become a real powerhouse as it gets clocked higher, and I am thinking that if we wanted to overvolt it enough we could probably even have it running at 1GHz.
As for vram, it doesnt have any. VRAM is shared with system RAM and it uses something like 1GB of system memory in reserve for the GPU on this tablet. People theorize that it dedicates so much because of our huge resolution, and that lesser devices would not need to hoard as much of the memory.
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...and I am thinking that if we wanted to overvolt it enough we could probably even have it running at 1GHz.
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That'd be insane lol... my desktop GPU (Radeon HD 7850) is factory OC'd and isn't even 1GHz
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That'd be insane lol... my desktop GPU (Radeon HD 7850) is factory OC'd and isn't even 1GHz
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Ya, but you cant compare MHz between architectures very easily. Your desktop card has WAY more power than this tablet grade GPU. Makes me wish I could get my hands on a Mali T-628 though, with the same OC we have now on that thing I could see it blowing away anything else on the market or coming out soon.
Unfortunately Ktoonsez said it looks like our frequency table is maxed out on the GPU, so I dont know if we will be able to OC higher despite if the GPU is capable of it or not.
Gpu clockspeed isn't always THAT important just look at the GTX Titan, it's only 700-800Mhz yet it's the world's fastest gpu.
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Gpu clockspeed isn't always THAT important just look at the GTX Titan, it's only 700-800Mhz yet it's the world's fastest gpu.
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At the risk of turning this into a Desktop GPU thread; I believe AMD"s 7990 takes the spot at world's fastest GPU currently. Almost certain it slaughters the Titan at compute, and pretty sure it beats Titan in most gaming benchmarks. In terms of frame latency though, AMD might be lacking in that department, but not for long :good:
I do agree though clock speed isn't that important in most cases. Almost got a Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition card just because of the 1GHz core clock, but the 7850 I got still outperforms it (to be fair though, it's only 50Mhz lower than 1GHz).
Regardless, with the Nexus 10's resolution, pretty sure we need a nice balance of memory frequency and GPU clock speed. GPU can be as fast as it wants, but it won't help much if the memory bandwidth is being choked :/
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Gpu clockspeed isn't always THAT important just look at the GTX Titan, it's only 700-800Mhz yet it's the world's fastest gpu.
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Thats why I said the T-628 could be the fastest if we can OC it the same. Our current GPU has "four cores" and at 720MHz GPU speed we can push 2560x1440 pixels at 58 frames per second average on the Unreal 3 engine. The T-628 is the same as what we have but twice as many cores, so twice as many computing resources. Sure there are other things coming out that are pretty fast, but think of what 2x the power of our current GPU could do At this point though espionage724 would be right, we would probably see memory bottleneck so we would need to step up from DDR-1600 to DDR-2133. Still, testing I have done shows we are just barely starting to hit a memory bottleneck with our GPU @ 720MHz, and if we OC the memory up to DDR-1728 we have lots of extra bandwidth to spare. So changing the memory up to 2133 would alleviate any sort of bottleneck that would ever show up in that area even with twice as many GPU cores.
hi all,
is there a way to undervolt and or OC the CPU and GPU?
I remember reading a article a month ago about a GPU OC, but somehow that's it. No way to download the mentioned app etc.
Is there anything for the Mi 10 / SD 865?
Snapdragons don't overclock because they're not underclocked.
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Snapdragons don't overclock because they're not underclocked.
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According to this news oage, we still have some potential left in our SD865
Xiaomi Mi 10 Overclocking Has Improved Significantly
he game performance has also been improved in addition to the higher running scores of the overclocked Snapdragon 865 models.
www.igeekphone.com
here is even a XDA link to another phone without any links to the app itself...
Abandoned
abandoned.
forum.xda-developers.com
so there is a way to OC and UV the SD865
That isn't what it appears to be to me. It appears to be an ongoing project to oc/uv the snapdragon processor and gpu and so far all they've done is managed to change the ram clockspeed. The pros of undervolting the ram is less heat but the cons is bottlenecking under load because ram uses voltage in correlation to clockspeed. If you overvolt the ram it produces more heat, processes more data but stability goes out of the window completely. This is NOT CPU/GPU core clocking and won't have any effect on the cores whatsoever, only data throughput.
I'll stand by my word coming from HTC to Xiaomi, both snapdragon phones, you can't overclock a snapdragon because they're not underclocked. It has been that way for a long time. What they advertise the chip as capable of is what the chip is capable of as by design and will actually be that way in the field.
If you want proof just take a browse around the later HTC phones and you won't see anything about core clocking, probably not ram volting either..
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That isn't what it appears to be to me. It appears to be an ongoing project to oc/uv the snapdragon processor and gpu and so far all they've done is managed to change the ram clockspeed. The pros of undervolting the ram is less heat but the cons is bottlenecking under load because ram uses voltage in correlation to clockspeed. If you overvolt the ram it produces more heat, processes more data but stability goes out of the window completely. This is NOT CPU/GPU core clocking and won't have any effect on the cores whatsoever, only data throughput.
I'll stand by my word coming from HTC to Xiaomi, both snapdragon phones, you can't overclock a snapdragon because they're not underclocked. It has been that way for a long time. What they advertise the chip as capable of is what the chip is capable of as by design and will actually be that way in the field.
If you want proof just take a browse around the later HTC phones and you won't see anything about core clocking, probably not ram volting either..
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No offense, but have you read any of the two links I posted?
They literally explain, that they changed/overclocked the GPU frequency to 865mhz
stock frequency should be 587mhz.
They did overclock the GPU.
They even proved it by showing some benchmarks.. and compared it to the SD888
And this is the first time I read, that SDs are not overclockable...
865mhz is the bus and ram frequency. The cores are in the ghz.
All that has been achieved is a higher throughput and that equates to more heat and more used power. This stuff is well researched.
I honestly dont get, where you getting the RAM OC thing.
They do not use ddr7 or ddr8 on a mobile SoC, because the tech isnt there yet...
If you search for the Andreno 650 GPU you will see its specs that it is clocked at 587mhz (and not the Ram).
They are of course adjusting the ram timings too, but the xda links tells the following:
"2. edit your settings in the 3 tables. (start with adding the extra step form 865+ to 865)
3. press "Save GPU Freq Table" after editing any page, before you move to another."
If you want to stay with your resolution on this topic, it is fine.
I just want to know where we can get the KonaBess app, because google only links me to chinese pages and somehow this topic isnt as popular as I thought.
Not 100% sure if this link is allowed.... https://github.com/xzr467706992/KonaBess/releases/tag/v0.12
Scroll down to assets and its in there.
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Not 100% sure if this link is allowed.... https://github.com/xzr467706992/KonaBess/releases/tag/v0.12
Scroll down to assets and its in there.
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Thanks alot
I dont know why I couldnt find it with google
btw: I hope I really didnt offend you with any of the sentences.
RaZoR No1 said:
Thanks alot
I dont know why I couldnt find it with google
btw: I hope I really didnt offend you with any of the sentences.
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Just a heads up, not all snapdragons are created equally. That said, there is definitely performance left to gain via OC the adreno 650 gpu of the 865. I'm currently running a massive 930mhz on my adreno 650 and a very small cpu OC and with that, it blows the 865+ away in benchmarking and trades wins with a stock SD 888 with CPU and GPU bench scores. Any OC'ing you do I highly recommend doing a stress test before thinking you're stable.
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Just a heads up, not all snapdragons are created equally. That said, there is definitely performance left to gain via OC the adreno 650 gpu of the 865. I'm currently running a massive 930mhz on my adreno 650 and a very small cpu OC and with that, it blows the 865+ away in benchmarking and trades wins with a stock SD 888 with CPU and GPU bench scores. Any OC'ing you do I highly recommend doing a stress test before thinking you're stable.
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Thanks for the heads up, I am already aware of the "silicon lottery".
I am amazed how much juice is still left in the SD865, that OCd it can even beat the 888 and is more consistent.
Do you use any App to monitor your temps and how did you OC your CPU? Afaik KonaBess only allows GPU oc?
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Just a heads up, not all snapdragons are created equally. That said, there is definitely performance left to gain via OC the adreno 650 gpu of the 865. I'm currently running a massive 930mhz on my adreno 650 and a very small cpu OC and with that, it blows the 865+ away in benchmarking and trades wins with a stock SD 888 with CPU and GPU bench scores. Any OC'ing you do I highly recommend doing a stress test before thinking you're stable.
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Hi, I can't seem to find any tutorial online on how to overclock. Could you help me out ? I am gonna order a Black Shark 4 with the Snpadragon 870 soon, which is the best cherrypicked chip along the same chipset as the 865, which means that it's more likely to be a silicon lottery win... Can we get in touch on Discord ? My username is Meli #6318.
please guide me to modify the necessary things to overclock (kernel, file...)
anyway i still want to overclock it and gpu
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Just a heads up, not all snapdragons are created equally. That said, there is definitely performance left to gain via OC the adreno 650 gpu of the 865. I'm currently running a massive 930mhz on my adreno 650 and a very small cpu OC and with that, it blows the 865+ away in benchmarking and trades wins with a stock SD 888 with CPU and GPU bench scores. Any OC'ing you do I highly recommend doing a stress test before thinking you're stable.
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How did you oc the cpu ? and is it possible to oc the gpu of the sd870 which is also the adreno650 but I’ve heard that it’s locked by Qualcomm trust zone , is it just a problem with sd870 or even 888 and 8 gen 1 ? Thanks in advance