Does anyone know an app or a website with the the Mali T-604's full specifications. Like gpu clockspeed, V-RAM, GFLOPS, anything else. Thank you in advanced. (I already know it's quad-core, and I read that it's 423Mhz, and 512Mb of V-RAM, but I need confirmation lol).
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http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-plus-gpu-compute/mali-t604.php Shows a bit of features but nothing like clock speed or GFLOPS.
Judging from: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39719050#post39719050 It would seem the GPU can clock at 100Mhz, 160MHz, 266MHz, 400MHz, 450MHz, and 533MHz (not sure if this is custom behavior or stock).
and custom kernels have shown we EASILY (like on stock volts easy) can overclock from 533MHz up to 720MHz. This GPU can become a real powerhouse as it gets clocked higher, and I am thinking that if we wanted to overvolt it enough we could probably even have it running at 1GHz.
As for vram, it doesnt have any. VRAM is shared with system RAM and it uses something like 1GB of system memory in reserve for the GPU on this tablet. People theorize that it dedicates so much because of our huge resolution, and that lesser devices would not need to hoard as much of the memory.
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...and I am thinking that if we wanted to overvolt it enough we could probably even have it running at 1GHz.
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That'd be insane lol... my desktop GPU (Radeon HD 7850) is factory OC'd and isn't even 1GHz
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That'd be insane lol... my desktop GPU (Radeon HD 7850) is factory OC'd and isn't even 1GHz
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Ya, but you cant compare MHz between architectures very easily. Your desktop card has WAY more power than this tablet grade GPU. Makes me wish I could get my hands on a Mali T-628 though, with the same OC we have now on that thing I could see it blowing away anything else on the market or coming out soon.
Unfortunately Ktoonsez said it looks like our frequency table is maxed out on the GPU, so I dont know if we will be able to OC higher despite if the GPU is capable of it or not.
Gpu clockspeed isn't always THAT important just look at the GTX Titan, it's only 700-800Mhz yet it's the world's fastest gpu.
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Gpu clockspeed isn't always THAT important just look at the GTX Titan, it's only 700-800Mhz yet it's the world's fastest gpu.
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At the risk of turning this into a Desktop GPU thread; I believe AMD"s 7990 takes the spot at world's fastest GPU currently. Almost certain it slaughters the Titan at compute, and pretty sure it beats Titan in most gaming benchmarks. In terms of frame latency though, AMD might be lacking in that department, but not for long :good:
I do agree though clock speed isn't that important in most cases. Almost got a Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition card just because of the 1GHz core clock, but the 7850 I got still outperforms it (to be fair though, it's only 50Mhz lower than 1GHz).
Regardless, with the Nexus 10's resolution, pretty sure we need a nice balance of memory frequency and GPU clock speed. GPU can be as fast as it wants, but it won't help much if the memory bandwidth is being choked :/
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Gpu clockspeed isn't always THAT important just look at the GTX Titan, it's only 700-800Mhz yet it's the world's fastest gpu.
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Thats why I said the T-628 could be the fastest if we can OC it the same. Our current GPU has "four cores" and at 720MHz GPU speed we can push 2560x1440 pixels at 58 frames per second average on the Unreal 3 engine. The T-628 is the same as what we have but twice as many cores, so twice as many computing resources. Sure there are other things coming out that are pretty fast, but think of what 2x the power of our current GPU could do At this point though espionage724 would be right, we would probably see memory bottleneck so we would need to step up from DDR-1600 to DDR-2133. Still, testing I have done shows we are just barely starting to hit a memory bottleneck with our GPU @ 720MHz, and if we OC the memory up to DDR-1728 we have lots of extra bandwidth to spare. So changing the memory up to 2133 would alleviate any sort of bottleneck that would ever show up in that area even with twice as many GPU cores.
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I have a question about the 3D's dual core that I'd like more clarification on the vague answers I'm getting by searching this site and google. So I've read that the core is asynchronous so basically meaning the second core doesn't do much work unless needed as others like the tegra 2 and exynos have both cores running or something similar to that, and that this is affecting the benchmark scores. I also read that one would basically double the score of the 3D to get a more accurate reading. Can anyone confirm or further explain this?
Yes, asynchronous is when something operates on another thread whereas the main thread is still available for operating. This allows for better performance in terms of managing tasks. Now just because it doesn't score high on a benchmark, it doesn't mean it is going to perform. Also this allows for better performance for the battery.
I haven't slept for the past 12 hours so if this doesn't help you, just let me know and I will fully elaborate on how the processor will operate on the phone. Now time for bed :'(
In short, asynchronous operation means that a process operates independently of other processes.
Think of transferring a file. A separate thread will utilized for doing so. You will then be able to do background things such as playing with the UI, such as Sense since you will be using the main thread. If anything were to happen to the transferring file (such as it failing), you will be able to cancel it because it is independent on another thread.
I hope this makes sense man, kind of tired. Now I'm really going to bed.
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To be more specific by asynchronous they mean that each core can run at different clock speeds. Core 1 could be at 1.2 ghz while core 2 is at 200 mhz. Most multi core processors are synchronous meaning all the cores are running at the same speed.
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To be more specific by asynchronous they mean that each core can run at different clock speeds. Core 1 could be at 1.2 ghz while core 2 is at 200 mhz. Most multi core processors are synchronous meaning all the cores are running at the same speed.
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^This too
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I was also very curious to learn a little more about the async cores and how it differes from a standard "Always-On" dual core arctechiure.
Thh first page/video I found talks about the SnapDragon core specifically.
http://socialtimes.com/dual-core-snapdragon-processor-qualcomm-soundbytes_b49063
From what I've gathered, it comes down to using the second core and thus more power, only when needed. Minimizing voltage and heat to preserve battery life.
The following video goes into similar and slightly deeper detail about the processor specifically found in the EVO 3D. The demo is running a processor benchmark with a visual real time usage of the two cores. You can briefly see how the two cores are trading off the workload between each other. It was previously mentioned somewhere else on this forum, but I believe by seperating a workload between two chips, the chip will use less power across the two chips vs putting the same workload on a sinlge chip. I'm sure someone else will chime in with some additional detail. Also, after seeing some of these demos, I'm inclined to think that the processor found in the EVO 3D is actually stable at 1.5 but has been underclocked to 1.2 to conserve battery. Only time spent within our hands will tell.
Another demo of the MSM8660 and Adreno 220 GPU found in the EVO 3D. Its crazy to think we've come this far for mobile phone technology.
What occurred to me is how complex Community ROMs for such a device may become with the addition of Video Drivers that may continue to be upgraded and improved (think early Video Card tweaks for PC). Wondering how easy/difficult it will be to get our hands on them, possibly through extraction of updated stock ROMs.
EDIT: As far as benchmarks are concerned, I blame the inability of today's bench marking apps to consider async cores or properly utilize them during testing to factor the over all score. Because the current tests are most likely to be spread across cores which favors efficiency, the scores are going to be much lower than what the true power and performance of the chips can produce. I think of it as putting a horsepower governor on a Ferrari.
thanks for the explanation everyone
The best demonstration is in the first video posted, notice when Charbax looks at the monitor. There on the top right are the frequencies of the two cores, and you'll notice the both of them jumping around a lot, independent of the other. Using the cores "on-demand" only when needed ends up saving a lot of battery power, but doesn't give you any performance loss.
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The best demonstration is in the first video posted, notice when Charbax looks at the monitor. There on the top right are the frequencies of the two cores, and you'll notice the both of them jumping around a lot, independent of the other. Using the cores "on-demand" only when needed ends up saving a lot of battery power, but doesn't give you any performance loss.
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Actually I was thinking that not just the battery savings but there could be a performance gain. Think of this if the manufacturer knows they only have to clock one core up to speed when needed they can be more aggressive about their timings and have the core clock up faster than a normal dual core would since they know they don't have to clock up both processors when only one needs the full speed.
I wonder if the drop to 1.2 GHz also serves to keep heat under control. It might not just be battery savings, maybe the small case of a phone doesn't allow for proper cooling to hit 1.5 safely.
I'd love to see some confirmation that the asynchronous nature of this chipset is what's responsible for the seemingly lackluster benchmarking.
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I wonder if the drop to 1.2 GHz also serves to keep heat under control. It might not just be battery savings, maybe the small case of a phone doesn't allow for proper cooling to hit 1.5 safely.
I'd love to see some confirmation that the asynchronous nature of this chipset is what's responsible for the seemingly lackluster benchmarking.
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The "horrible" benchmark scores are simply due to the tests inability to consider async core performance. Wait till the tests are able to take this into consideration.
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The "horrible" benchmark scores are simply due to the tests inability to consider async core performance. Wait till the tests are able to take this into consideration.
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I went through all of your links, I didn't see anything that confirms that the benches are somehow affected by the asynchronous nature of the chipset. It's not that I don't believe you, I actually had that same theory when the benches first came out. I just don't have any proof or explanation of it. Do you have a link that provides more solid evidence that this is the case?
NVIDIA actually tells a different story (of course)
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/03/24/nvidia-tegra-2-outperforms-qualcomm-dualcore-1015/
AnandTech's article does explain some of the differences
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4144/...gra-2-review-the-first-dual-core-smartphone/4
It appears that Snapdragon (Scorpion) will excel in some tasks (FPU, non-bandwith constrained applications), but will fall short in others .
I'm pretty sure none of the benchmark apps have even been updated past the release of the sensation so yeah....How could they update the app to use the asynchronus processors the if the only phones to use them have only recently been released.
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I had the G2x for like 3 days and never got to root. Poor service where I live. But could the cores be set to a specific frequency independently when rooted like computers?
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I had the G2x for like 3 days and never got to root. Poor service where I live. But could the cores be set to a specific frequency independently when rooted like computers?
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Yea, if someone were to develop an app for that. I do not see why not.
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Hmm...
If a program such as Smart bench (which takes advantage of dual cores) is stressing both cores to 1.2ghz then regardless of if both cores are active or not the bench will be accurate.
I would rather NOT have asyncronus cores as there would be lag during frequency changes...
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2 cores running at 500mhz vs 1 core @ 1ghz and other not active.
The 2 cores will produce less heat and use less energy...
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Hmm...
If a program such as Smart bench (which takes advantage of dual cores) is stressing both cores to 1.2ghz then regardless of if both cores are active or not the bench will be accurate.
I would rather NOT have asyncronus cores as there would be lag during frequency changes...
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2 cores running at 500mhz vs 1 core @ 1ghz and other not active.
The 2 cores will produce less heat and use less energy...
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There dual, it would be better for them to run asynchronous. Not only that, but it is a phone so there will be no lag between frequency changing. 2 Cores running at 500mhz will perform better than 1 core at 1ghz.
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I had the G2x for like 3 days and never got to root. Poor service where I live. But could the cores be set to a specific frequency independently when rooted like computers?
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This is something that the hardware needs to be capable of. Software can only do so much. As far as I've seen Tegra isn't capable of it.
I read the anandtech article and I came with conclusion that everyday task you might not see the difference between the two and while tegra2 might bench higher. The main thing people dont talk about is the GPU. Adreno 220 is a powerhouse GPU, it will probably stand strong when tegra 3 comes out.
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There dual, it would be better for them to run asynchronous. Not only that, but it is a phone so there will be no lag between frequency changing. 2 Cores running at 500mhz will perform better than 1 core at 1ghz.
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Huh... what are u saying? Sorry dont understand... On one hand you say asynchronous is better and on the other ur saying 2 cores @ 500 will work better?
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I read the anandtech article and I came with conclusion that everyday task you might not see the difference between the two and while tegra2 might bench higher. The main thing people dont talk about is the GPU. Adreno 220 is a powerhouse GPU, it will probably stand strong when tegra 3 comes out.
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What?!?
Andreno 220 is a horrible GPU. AT BEST it is equal to the GPU in the Original SGS.
The reason benches are so different is because Qualcomm has made NO improvements in the CPU. Desire HD CPU is the same as Sensations. While... SGS2 + Tegra have IMPROVED CPUs.
Arm 7 vs arm 9?
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Huh... what are u saying? Sorry dont understand... On one hand you say asynchronous is better and on the other ur saying 2 cores @ 500 will work better?
What?!?
Andreno 220 is a horrible GPU. AT BEST it is equal to the GPU in the Original SGS.
The reason benches are so different is because Qualcomm has made NO improvements in the CPU. Desire HD CPU is the same as Sensations. While... SGS2 + Tegra have IMPROVED CPUs.
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Dude go back to sleep. You have no clue what you are talking about.
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Is there a way to overclock the Adreno 220 GPU that I consider to be laying dormant as of now inside the HTC EVO 3D and Sensation? I read some of post the the Desire HD section that mentioned they were jealous that the sensation already got a GPU overclock but they didn't provide a link and my searches have come up with nothing. If I could, I would post a link, but I didn't find anything. If anyone could provide a hit of clarity or insight into this topic, please do.
there is already a thread requesting that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1285205
here is the sensation kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1256668
Dear god I wouldn't do that. The adreno 220 is a very good gpu. I think it's the fastest one commercially available.
Plus I've had a bad history with gpu overclocking. I tried overclocking my ATI 4820 and it just ended up not working at all
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FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
well thank you for redirecting me, and i was hoping somebody would have made some sort of app as was done for the Samsung GSII, but thank you nonetheless
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FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
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From every ROM I've ever seen they never say the GPU has been overclocked. That requires Kernel modified.
Everything I've seen states "GPU Tweaks" which I believe only means they've tweaked the amount of memory allocated or the MPAA settings. Which is just a simple prop edit.
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FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
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roms cant overclock the GPU - it is overclocked in the kernel - most roms use stock kernel.
im working on a kernel now to OC the GPU to qualcomm spec. (so its not really being overclocked - but it is abt 40mhz faster than HTC spec)
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roms cant overclock the GPU - it is overclocked in the kernel - most roms use stock kernel.
im working on a kernel now to OC the GPU to qualcomm spec. (so its not really being overclocked - but it is abt 40mhz faster than HTC spec)
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hao pley?
lol serious question.
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how is this thread going ?
I would really much like to see the possibility to overclock the adreno 220 because I think we can gain a lot of preformance in games etc..
hope someone looks in to it
Actually that isn't over clocking at all. Thats the normal speed. Htc under clocked it on us.
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Umm its been here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318005
It overclocks the gpu to either 300 mhz or 320
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is this gonna work on Europe version?
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Actually that isn't over clocking at all. Thats the normal speed. Htc under clocked it on us.
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qualcomm spec was 320MHz max (for HW001 and HW002)
i have 2 kernels - 1 @ 300 and 1 @ 320
How the andrino 220 stack up now,compare to the iphone 4S one and the mali 400,any answers will be greatly appreciated.
I am looking to buy a new phone,i don't like iphones,my current one is a Vibrant,so i am thinking about the Galaxys 2 from T mobile.
But since it use a 1.5 qualcoom cpu and andreno 220 GPU i don't know,since i don't know that GPU well,i don't know if it is weak or not,i love the Vibrant GPU it was quite ahead of anything until the Tegra 2 arrived.
Let's summarize for a second here:
The Qualcomm CPU is built for 1.5GHz, but underclocked to 1.2 GHz to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is underclocked to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is anywhere from ~5-50% faster than the Tegra 2 dependent on the benchmark/utility/application
The Adreno 220 (even underclocked) will perform so well that any mobile game out today will run without any perceived negative performance that is humanly detectible.
The Adreno 220 performs so well that the above will still be true for any mobile game that comes out between now and the time you get your next device
With the above facts true, there is effectively zero reason to currently want or need to overclock the GPU. What reason did you have to want to? Just to say you did? The way I see it the perceived benefits can't possibly outweigh the risks. I'm not sure (without doing the research) but I believe the Adreno 220 is still the best performing GPU on the market.
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Let's summarize for a second here:
The Qualcomm CPU is built for 1.5GHz, but underclocked to 1.2 GHz to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is underclocked to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is anywhere from ~5-50% faster than the Tegra 2 dependent on the benchmark/utility/application
The Adreno 220 (even underclocked) will perform so well that any mobile game out today will run without any perceived negative performance that is humanly detectible.
The Adreno 220 performs so well that the above will still be true for any mobile game that comes out between now and the time you get your next device
With the above facts true, there is effectively zero reason to currently want or need to overclock the GPU. What reason did you have to want to? Just to say you did? The way I see it the perceived benefits can't possibly outweigh the risks. I'm not sure (without doing the research) but I believe the Adreno 220 is still the best performing GPU on the market.
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I have see some performance test and at least vs the Mali 400 which the other galaxy have is actually the slowest,i actually have read some reviews that say the T mobile one is the weakest performance wise thanks to the Adreno 220,but saw some text in which the Adreno was faster than the Tegra 2.
Since i am looking to buy a T mobile galaxy S i am trying to get the most research to see if i get it or not.
is there any option to raise SGS3 CPU to 2000mhz or something like that?
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kk so i guess the highest and most stablest cpu might be till 1800mhz
1and what about ram? there is any overclocking for ram memory? (couldnt find anything about it)
2what about GPU?
not yet, i think the highest clock right now is 1.5 for the sgs3
and RAM, NO you can not get MORE ram, you can eliminate apps that eating up ram to free some up but no way to get more ram.
is there any need to overclock this beast lol its fast enough
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not yet, i think the highest clock right now is 1.5 for the sgs3
and RAM, NO you can not get MORE ram, you can eliminate apps that eating up ram to free some up but no way to get more ram.
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He wasn't referring to getting more RAM though was he? It read to me that he wanted to see if was possible to increase the clock speed of the RAM along with the CPU.
yep just wondering if there is any option for that as in SGS1+2
do you guys think when there is OC for s3, it will raise CPU to 2000MHz ?
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yep just wondering if there is any option for that as in SGS1+2
do you guys think when there is OC for s3, it will raise CPU to 2000MHz ?
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Already there OC/UV running 1500Mhz right now. Max 1800Mhz.
Look into de developers topics for the kernel..
Ive looked there.. stiil misunderstand something-
there is any OC of 2000mhz now?
Note that the Exynos 4Core CPU is still not very well understood and may well get long-time damage when ramping up the clock speed aggressively.
Is there actually ANY need for going so high except to show off?
You'll be measuring any speed improvement in loading things up in microseconds because people say Samsung still hasn't fully optimised the phone to the OS yet, so I think it's a bit pointless stressing the phone that much.
1.8GHZ is currently the max however with kmemhelper you should be able to change the last frequency to 2.0...
Hell I'll even find out the script for you if you are mad enough to try it first
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I doubt you'll get it 2GHz stable anyway. From what I've heard most people have theirs crap out at 1.8GHz.
kk so i guess the highest and most stablest cpu might be till 1800mhz
1and what about ram? there is any overclocking for ram memory? (couldnt find anything about it)
2what about GPU?
to make it clear:
i wanna know which ram overclocking is available to do on the SGS3 as long as the device still stables.
same with GPU and all those stuff.. there is a really good lvl of OC like in S1 S2?
still waiting for help
I would go for Siyah kernel and try 1.8 GHz then under volt using voltage control or extweaks app. Most phones can go 100 mv on all steps except maybe the very highest clocks.
gpu overclock is not possible yet
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OC of the ram is connected to bus speed and this is very different to the fixed bus in the sgs1 so nothing like live oc is possible. Still 400 mhz bus speed is 4 times faster than the CHAt!
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I`am running RGUI v7 rom and siyah kernel 1.3.8a. My clockspeed is 1600 Mhz and is rockstable, snappy and battery life is great.
I don`t go any higher for daily use, it doesn`t make much difference in speed and i think it cuts down your cpu-life.
ho so no LIVE OC is available now? (like in S1 and s2)?
well hoping it will be possible to add those functions(live oc, ram, cpu, and more..) in Android JB 4.1
My Captivate (SGS1) can hit 1.92GHz... So I think that a CPU with a stock clock of 1.4GHz can hit 2GHz easily. We will just have to see. I am not pushing this phone though. I don't have $700 to replace it.
well hoping it will be possible to add those functions(live oc, ram, cpu, and more..) in Android JB 4.1
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That's not depended on the ROM but on whether the hardware allows to modify the values and if kernel developers figure out how to do it.
Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
1920x1080 on an 1.5GHz Qualcomm APQ8064 with adreno 320GPU VS 2560x1600 nexus 10 with an exynos 5 and a mali t604 GPU clocked at 1.7 GHZ.
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Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
1920x1080 on an 1.5GHz Qualcomm APQ8064 with adreno 320GPU VS 2560x1600 nexus 10 with an exynos 5 and a mali t604 GPU clocked at 1.7 GHZ.
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The S4 is halfway between the Cortex A9 cores and the new Cortex A15 core that we have. So it is decent enough of a CPU. I am not sure how good of a GPU that is. None of my devices the past couple years have had Adreno GPU's At least it wont have to work as hard with the lower resolution
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Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
1920x1080 on an 1.5GHz Qualcomm APQ8064 with adreno 320GPU VS 2560x1600 nexus 10 with an exynos 5 and a mali t604 GPU clocked at 1.7 GHZ.
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What stuttering are you talking about?
Draw your own conclusions.
S4 Pro - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
Exynos 5 - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6148/samsung-announces-a15malit604-based-exynos-5-dual
From everything I've seen and experienced the exynos 5 is the better of the two. The a15 is a more powerful core than the krait core, that with the higher clock speeds and the better GPU makes for a better chip. Personally I have never had my n10 lag at all. Maybe you just got a dud?
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From everything I've seen and experienced the exynos 5 is the better of the two. The a15 is a more powerful core than the krait core, that with the higher clock speeds and the better GPU makes for a better chip. Personally I have never had my n10 lag at all. Maybe you just got a dud?
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But the Exynos 5 has to run that massive screen res. Also, the reason I think that Qualcomm modified the core was because of the power consumption. Stock A-15 core consumes quite a lot of power.
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Fasty12 said:
Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
1920x1080 on an 1.5GHz Qualcomm APQ8064 with adreno 320GPU VS 2560x1600 nexus 10 with an exynos 5 and a mali t604 GPU clocked at 1.7 GHZ.
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Every now and then I read ppl complaining about lags and stutters... I have not experienced one since I have the device; can you please explain what you are doing when this happens?
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Every now and then I read ppl complaining about lags and stutters... I have not experienced one since I have the device; can you please explain what you are doing when this happens?
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Try opening and closing google maps after the map has been loaded there is a NOTICEABLE frame rate drop compare to other apps.
kaspar737 said:
But the Exynos 5 has to run that massive screen res. Also, the reason I think that Qualcomm modified the core was because of the power consumption. Stock A-15 core consumes quite a lot of power.
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The Snapdragon S4 does not use an A15 core or any derivative of an A15. Qualcomm has ALWAYS completely designed their cores custom and has almost nothing to do with the current major core from ARM's reference design. Additionally, the S4 was designed and released before the A15 MP-Core was even finished with its design phase.
The Krait core uses a similar (but not the same) triple wide decode stage like the A15 core, but it uses a completely different 11 stage execution pipeline compared to the A15's 15 stage pipeline. The higher stages of the pipeline allow the A15 design to break things down smaller and achieve higher frequency, but if there were to be a failure in computing then the A15 must wait a longer time before it can start over where the Krait core doesnt have to wait as long, but also isnt as efficient in " normal" circumstances. Honestly the integer performance between the two cores is pretty close, but I think I remember seeing that the A15 has a lot stronger floating point performance. So I guess it really depends on your workload.
FYI, the Exynos 5, Tegra 4, and TI OMAP 5 processors are all based on the A15 core design. Qualcomm is the only major player who does not base their processors on the ARM design
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Try opening and closing google maps after the map has been loaded there is a NOTICEABLE frame rate drop compare to other apps.
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Do you mean a drop in framerate during the animation when closing Maps? I notice a minor framerate drop which lasts as long as the animation does, but if that is it, I'm kinda wondering why you bought an android device in first place... I have not noticed this before and I cannot imagine anyone would using the device for its intended purposes. If you take any android device, you will find a fps drop at some point... Maybe return it and take an iPad? iPads do not have the issue, on the other hand there's a lot that iPads do not have ^^
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But the Exynos 5 has to run that massive screen res. Also, the reason I think that Qualcomm modified the core was because of the power consumption. Stock A-15 core consumes quite a lot of power.
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Exynos has higher memory bandwidth so the difference isn't substantial.
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EniGmA1987 said:
The Snapdragon S4 does not use an A15 core or any derivative of an A15. Qualcomm has ALWAYS completely designed their cores custom and has almost nothing to do with the current major core from ARM's reference design. Additionally, the S4 was designed and released before the A15 MP-Core was even finished with its design phase.
The Krait core uses a similar (but not the same) triple wide decode stage like the A15 core, but it uses a completely different 11 stage execution pipeline compared to the A15's 15 stage pipeline. The higher stages of the pipeline allow the A15 design to break things down smaller and achieve higher frequency, but if there were to be a failure in computing then the A15 must wait a longer time before it can start over where the Krait core doesnt have to wait as long, but also isnt as efficient in " normal" circumstances. Honestly the integer performance between the two cores is pretty close, but I think I remember seeing that the A15 has a lot stronger floating point performance. So I guess it really depends on your workload.
FYI, the Exynos 5, Tegra 4, and TI OMAP 5 processors are all based on the A15 core design. Qualcomm is the only major player who does not base their processors on the ARM design
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THANK YOU!! my god I've had to explain this so many times! Qualcomm licenses ONLY the armv7 instructions and not arms designs. They design their own chips from the ground up and GPU, so please people stop saying Qualcomm is a cortex series processor because it isn't. Samsung and the rest license arms design and modify it, in Samsungs case they tend to increase the IPC slightly and give it more memory bandwidth.
Also to answer the question, exynos 5 will do better at higher resolutions and they will be very close in lower resolutions. S4 will be better in multi thread workloads more then likely and exynos will have better float performance. Exynos is better for games once the thermal throttling is fixed.
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ECOTOX said:
Exynos has higher memory bandwidth so the difference isn't substantial.
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THANK YOU!! my god I've had to explain this so many times! Qualcomm licenses ONLY the armv7 instructions and not arms designs. They design their own chips from the ground up and GPU, so please people stop saying Qualcomm is a cortex series processor because it isn't. Samsung and the rest license arms design and modify it, in Samsungs case they tend to increase the IPC slightly and give it more memory bandwidth.
Also to answer the question, exynos 5 will do better at higher resolutions and they will be very close in lower resolutions. S4 will be better in multi thread workloads more then likely and exynos will have better float performance. Exynos is better for games once the thermal throttling is fixed.
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The 50 percent extra memory bandwith doesn't matter so much considered that the Exynos has to move almost twice the amount of pixels.
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The 50 percent extra memory bandwith doesn't matter so much considered that the Exynos has to move almost twice the amount of pixels.
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Memory bandwidth makes a pretty big difference when it comes too resolutions. I.E 8600gt ddr2 vs ddr3. Wider memory bus and faster memory makes a big difference in higher res performance of any GPU
Also will help with GPU compute performance for future apps utilizing the Mali t604s compute abilities
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Memory bandwidth makes a pretty big difference when it comes too resolutions. I.E 8600gt ddr2 vs ddr3. Wider memory bus and faster memory makes a big difference in higher res performance of any GPU
Also will help with GPU compute performance for future apps utilizing the Mali t604s compute abilities
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But lets say that Exynos uses the whole 12.8 gb/s bandwith. That means that to move twice as less pixels you would need 6.4 gb/s so memory bandwidth isn't an issue.
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But lets say that Exynos uses the whole 12.8 gb/s bandwith. That means that to move twice as less pixels you would need 6.4 gb/s so memory bandwidth isn't an issue.
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But that bandwidth is shared, unlike on dedicated GPU where it isn't. The total system bandwidth (not including buses for modem or w.e others are there) on the exynos chip being higher is gonna give it the edge in any situation considering the closeness in performance between the two. It also can't be denied that the Mali t604 has a edge in horse power over adreno 320 because even at the n10s resolution it comes within a couple fps of adreno at 1080p resolution. Not saying it's a big difference, but the exynos is the more powerful all around chip and that's just in is dual core form.
Edit: Also its a known fact that Adreno has crap fill rate compared too Mali or Power VR, Adrenos Strength is Geometry performace so it takes more of a hit the higher the resolution than Either the Mali t604 or the SGX 554MP4 which both have higher Fillrate and the SoC we have to compare both have higher bandwidth to facilitate that so we dont get bottle necked.
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Finally a lot of exerts here about GPU
, I know it is not related to topic but me and my girlfriend have Galaxy Note 2 and S3. As you all know they are the last ones to use the elder Mali-400 GPU. I love playing games and I am getting my girlfriend used to them too. So I was wondering how is our Mali400 GPU holding up against the new coming 1080p Adreno 320 devices? It is clear the future is 1080p. I am either planning to switch our devices with a couple of Nexus 4s or Xperia Zs. Because I fear our devices are about to be outdated with the next game right around the corner. So far they are doing just fine with Modern Combat 4 and the all other graphic intensive games by playing over 28-30 FPS. But according to the GLBenchmark 2.5Egypt they are useless against new Adreno 320. However I have read that most of the games were designed for high fill rate power and Mali 400 is able to beat Adreno 320. But on the triangle tests, it just bottlenecks.
So what is your opinion about it? I will our devices do another year and half for the new games? Or should I make the trade? Or should I just buy a Nexus 10 with 2 users assigned and continue games on it? I
Thank you for reading.
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Finally a lot of exerts here about GPU
, I know it is not related to topic but me and my girlfriend have Galaxy Note 2 and S3. As you all know they are the last ones to use the elder Mali-400 GPU. I love playing games and I am getting my girlfriend used to them too. So I was wondering how is our Mali400 GPU holding up against the new coming 1080p Adreno 320 devices? It is clear the future is 1080p. I am either planning to switch our devices with a couple of Nexus 4s or Xperia Zs. Because I fear our devices are about to be outdated with the next game right around the corner. So far they are doing just fine with Modern Combat 4 and the all other graphic intensive games by playing over 28-30 FPS. But according to the GLBenchmark 2.5Egypt they are useless against new Adreno 320. However I have read that most of the games were designed for high fill rate power and Mali 400 is able to beat Adreno 320. But on the triangle tests, it just bottlenecks.
So what is your opinion about it? I will our devices do another year and half for the new games? Or should I make the trade? Or should I just buy a Nexus 10 with 2 users assigned and continue games on it? I
Thank you for reading.
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They will hold on, my SGS2 runs all of the current games at the highest settings ( I haven't tried GTA though) without any issues, the Adreno 320 is far better than the Mali 400 MP4 though
Ya, Im pretty sure they will still play games a year from now. Until the market is completely saturated with devices like the Nexus 10 in power we wont really see large jumps in system requirements. That will probably only happen a year or two from now once all the new phones and tablets are made with A15 processors (or Qualcomm equivalent) and beefy GPUs.
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They will hold on, my SGS2 runs all of the current games at the highest settings ( I haven't tried GTA though) without any issues, the Adreno 320 is far better than the Mali 400 MP4 though
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The S2(Mali400) plays GTA3 without a hiccup.
The exynos dual is very power hungry compared to the s4pro but it is also the most powerful arm processor out today. Nothing else yet released (I said RELEASED) is as powerful or can match its bandwidth. Having said that I'm sure a normal resolution 1080p screen in this form factor with the s4pro would be a nice fast tablet. Right now the exynos dual is pretty much the only thing outside apple that can push the resolution that the n10 has. I think if they had put another gig of ddr3 in this thing there wouldn't be so much stuttering in certain instances. Besides the thermal cutoff the n10 is starved for memory as it has to share normal duties and its ram with the graphical load of pushing all the pixels of this monster resolution. You are lucky to have 300mb of ram available at idle on the n10 vs over a gig available with the s4pro on the 720p screen of the nexus 4
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hi all,
is there a way to undervolt and or OC the CPU and GPU?
I remember reading a article a month ago about a GPU OC, but somehow that's it. No way to download the mentioned app etc.
Is there anything for the Mi 10 / SD 865?
Snapdragons don't overclock because they're not underclocked.
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Snapdragons don't overclock because they're not underclocked.
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According to this news oage, we still have some potential left in our SD865
Xiaomi Mi 10 Overclocking Has Improved Significantly
he game performance has also been improved in addition to the higher running scores of the overclocked Snapdragon 865 models.
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here is even a XDA link to another phone without any links to the app itself...
Abandoned
abandoned.
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so there is a way to OC and UV the SD865
That isn't what it appears to be to me. It appears to be an ongoing project to oc/uv the snapdragon processor and gpu and so far all they've done is managed to change the ram clockspeed. The pros of undervolting the ram is less heat but the cons is bottlenecking under load because ram uses voltage in correlation to clockspeed. If you overvolt the ram it produces more heat, processes more data but stability goes out of the window completely. This is NOT CPU/GPU core clocking and won't have any effect on the cores whatsoever, only data throughput.
I'll stand by my word coming from HTC to Xiaomi, both snapdragon phones, you can't overclock a snapdragon because they're not underclocked. It has been that way for a long time. What they advertise the chip as capable of is what the chip is capable of as by design and will actually be that way in the field.
If you want proof just take a browse around the later HTC phones and you won't see anything about core clocking, probably not ram volting either..
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That isn't what it appears to be to me. It appears to be an ongoing project to oc/uv the snapdragon processor and gpu and so far all they've done is managed to change the ram clockspeed. The pros of undervolting the ram is less heat but the cons is bottlenecking under load because ram uses voltage in correlation to clockspeed. If you overvolt the ram it produces more heat, processes more data but stability goes out of the window completely. This is NOT CPU/GPU core clocking and won't have any effect on the cores whatsoever, only data throughput.
I'll stand by my word coming from HTC to Xiaomi, both snapdragon phones, you can't overclock a snapdragon because they're not underclocked. It has been that way for a long time. What they advertise the chip as capable of is what the chip is capable of as by design and will actually be that way in the field.
If you want proof just take a browse around the later HTC phones and you won't see anything about core clocking, probably not ram volting either..
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No offense, but have you read any of the two links I posted?
They literally explain, that they changed/overclocked the GPU frequency to 865mhz
stock frequency should be 587mhz.
They did overclock the GPU.
They even proved it by showing some benchmarks.. and compared it to the SD888
And this is the first time I read, that SDs are not overclockable...
865mhz is the bus and ram frequency. The cores are in the ghz.
All that has been achieved is a higher throughput and that equates to more heat and more used power. This stuff is well researched.
I honestly dont get, where you getting the RAM OC thing.
They do not use ddr7 or ddr8 on a mobile SoC, because the tech isnt there yet...
If you search for the Andreno 650 GPU you will see its specs that it is clocked at 587mhz (and not the Ram).
They are of course adjusting the ram timings too, but the xda links tells the following:
"2. edit your settings in the 3 tables. (start with adding the extra step form 865+ to 865)
3. press "Save GPU Freq Table" after editing any page, before you move to another."
If you want to stay with your resolution on this topic, it is fine.
I just want to know where we can get the KonaBess app, because google only links me to chinese pages and somehow this topic isnt as popular as I thought.
Not 100% sure if this link is allowed.... https://github.com/xzr467706992/KonaBess/releases/tag/v0.12
Scroll down to assets and its in there.
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Not 100% sure if this link is allowed.... https://github.com/xzr467706992/KonaBess/releases/tag/v0.12
Scroll down to assets and its in there.
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Thanks alot
I dont know why I couldnt find it with google
btw: I hope I really didnt offend you with any of the sentences.
RaZoR No1 said:
Thanks alot
I dont know why I couldnt find it with google
btw: I hope I really didnt offend you with any of the sentences.
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Just a heads up, not all snapdragons are created equally. That said, there is definitely performance left to gain via OC the adreno 650 gpu of the 865. I'm currently running a massive 930mhz on my adreno 650 and a very small cpu OC and with that, it blows the 865+ away in benchmarking and trades wins with a stock SD 888 with CPU and GPU bench scores. Any OC'ing you do I highly recommend doing a stress test before thinking you're stable.
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Just a heads up, not all snapdragons are created equally. That said, there is definitely performance left to gain via OC the adreno 650 gpu of the 865. I'm currently running a massive 930mhz on my adreno 650 and a very small cpu OC and with that, it blows the 865+ away in benchmarking and trades wins with a stock SD 888 with CPU and GPU bench scores. Any OC'ing you do I highly recommend doing a stress test before thinking you're stable.
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Thanks for the heads up, I am already aware of the "silicon lottery".
I am amazed how much juice is still left in the SD865, that OCd it can even beat the 888 and is more consistent.
Do you use any App to monitor your temps and how did you OC your CPU? Afaik KonaBess only allows GPU oc?
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Just a heads up, not all snapdragons are created equally. That said, there is definitely performance left to gain via OC the adreno 650 gpu of the 865. I'm currently running a massive 930mhz on my adreno 650 and a very small cpu OC and with that, it blows the 865+ away in benchmarking and trades wins with a stock SD 888 with CPU and GPU bench scores. Any OC'ing you do I highly recommend doing a stress test before thinking you're stable.
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Hi, I can't seem to find any tutorial online on how to overclock. Could you help me out ? I am gonna order a Black Shark 4 with the Snpadragon 870 soon, which is the best cherrypicked chip along the same chipset as the 865, which means that it's more likely to be a silicon lottery win... Can we get in touch on Discord ? My username is Meli #6318.
please guide me to modify the necessary things to overclock (kernel, file...)
anyway i still want to overclock it and gpu
1dopewrx05 said:
Just a heads up, not all snapdragons are created equally. That said, there is definitely performance left to gain via OC the adreno 650 gpu of the 865. I'm currently running a massive 930mhz on my adreno 650 and a very small cpu OC and with that, it blows the 865+ away in benchmarking and trades wins with a stock SD 888 with CPU and GPU bench scores. Any OC'ing you do I highly recommend doing a stress test before thinking you're stable.
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How did you oc the cpu ? and is it possible to oc the gpu of the sd870 which is also the adreno650 but I’ve heard that it’s locked by Qualcomm trust zone , is it just a problem with sd870 or even 888 and 8 gen 1 ? Thanks in advance