im new to vibrant and from Sri Lanka. im getting my location and the maps correctly when i turn wifi on and still when the gps is off.. so what is the use of that gps toggle in the slide down menu . it doesnt make any difference when my phone is using internet. and how to use gps without any data connection (offline) some one explain please!
If you are on Wi Fi, you are being triangulated by the Internet router and not the phone. If you are not using Wi Fi then the phone will pull in the data instead. Turn off the Wi Fi and see what happens.....
You could buy Copilot. Not sure they have Sri Lanka coverage though.
I like copilot a lot but for an app that expensive they have piss poor customer service. I had a problem with it, sent in an explanation of the problem and then about 5 days later got a response saying they dont support the vibrant because its not a stock android device (its running touchwiz). Considering over half of android phones are not running stock from google experience id say that is pretty crappy.
thanks. but maps don't work when I switch wifi off and turn gps on! Confused again ! btw how do I save maps so that view them offline? Its they any application?
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Hey guys,
Here's a quick rundown of my situation: I've had my GPS connector replaced per the instructions in the "Correct Hardware Fix" thread. I've been running tests using both the integrated gps test menu and the Chartcross gps test app.
For starters, I've found something quite curious about the Chartcross app. Despite the fact that I have "Use Wireless Networks" disabled in location & security settings, the Chartcross app does appear to use network assisted gps.
Chartcross Tests
Test 1: Place phone in airplane mode, restart, run test. Finds 3-5 sats, maybe connects, takes forever nevertheless. In other words, sucks.
Test 2: Re-enable wireless data. Restart. Run test again. Immediately sees 13 sats, connects to 7 fairly quickly (inside even). Again, this is despite having "Use wireless" unchecked.
My GPS is obviously working (and working well), so why the hell will it not connect while data is off? I'm totally stumped...any advice would be much appreciated.
P.S. I've tried Nero v5 (awesome, by the way) and stock 2.2. Pretty sure my phone is a July 2010 model, if that helps.
I had some slow connect issues with Nero v5 as well. I got mine resolved by flashing a newer (KA7) modem.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868774
I'm getting awful gps with the ka7 modem. How was your gps before hardware fix?
Get a clue people, read the Vibrant advertisement. The Vibrant has GPS assist NOT GPS. That means without the Cellular connection just relying on the Sats for the connection, the GPS will be sucky and slow, but it will work without the Cell/wireless signal.
i am using KA7 and i am getting 11-14 in view and 5-7 lock, fast locate.
Without Cell signal i get 5-8 view and 3-5 lock takes 45sec-1min
But this could because of where i am and most likely why people have different performance of the GPS
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Get a clue people, read the Vibrant advertisement. The Vibrant has GPS assist NOT GPS. That means without the Cellular connection just relying on the Sats for the connection, the GPS will be sucky and slow, but it will work without the Cell/wireless signal.
i am using KA7 and i am getting 11-14 in view and 5-7 lock, fast locate.
Without Cell signal i get 5-8 view and 3-5 lock takes 45sec-1min
But this could because of where i am and most likely why people have different performance of the GPS
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Sorry man, I didn't realize the distinction.
So let me get this straight:
An assisted GPS uses some sort of wireless data regardless of whether or not the "Use Wireless Networks" box is checked in Android settings?
GET A CLUE PEOPLE! lol
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GET A CLUE PEOPLE! lol
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Yeah...
Hi folks! I have a question. My friend has htc hero with latest official rom (dunno what it is). He is a traveler and wants gps to work without using data connection, bcs it's extremely expensive on his operator. He said, that in android 1.6 there was pure gps and it needn't to use data connection to receive location. If he uses any app like gps status or nav app without data connection, gps doesn't receive location. I have samsung device and there is an app, called AngryGPS, there i can change everything about gps settings, including SUPL server and how gps will work (MSBASED or STANDALONE). How can i change settings on his hero? Maybe by porting this app on hero? Rooting is not a problem, i can make it, if it's necessary.
added: if i turn off receiving location from wireless networks in android settings, it not helps
P.S.: Sorry for my poor english
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Hi folks! I have a question. My friend has htc hero with latest official rom (dunno what it is). He is a traveler and wants gps to work without using data connection, bcs it's extremely expensive on his operator. He said, that in android 1.6 there was pure gps and it needn't to use data connection to receive location. If he uses any app like gps status or nav app without data connection, gps doesn't receive location. I have samsung device and there is an app, called AngryGPS, there i can change everything about gps settings, including SUPL server and how gps will work (MSBASED or STANDALONE). How can i change settings on his hero? Maybe by porting this app on hero? Rooting is not a problem, i can make it, if it's necessary.
added: if i turn off receiving location from wireless networks in android settings, it not helps
P.S.: Sorry for my poor english
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Use iGo for android...it's easy to use and only gps is req...no data connection, i used it a time ago and was very pleased with it...the menu is a little laggy put don't worry because it works well on the phone, without having any problems.
Keep me updated if you got the problem solved
Stefan
he said, that he uses Maverick and don't want to change it, he wants to change system settings to use gps in standalone mode
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he said, that he uses Maverick and don't want to change it, he wants to change system settings to use gps in standalone mode
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well he has to close the data connection and that's all
Stefan
zy-el said:
... If he uses any app like gps status or nav app without data connection, gps doesn't receive location....
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that's the problem
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that's the problem
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there are data & gps apps...so if you don't use a data connection you can't download content...that's why i recommend iGO for android
Stefan
he needs not to download content, he needs to connect to GPS without enabling data connection. Anyway, problem solved by installing patched version of angrygps and editing operation mode of gps module
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he needs not to download content, he needs to connect to GPS without enabling data connection. Anyway, problem solved by installing patched version of angrygps and editing operation mode of gps module
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that why i recommended iGO, it uses the maps preloaded on the sd card...
you completely ignore my messages? or my english is SO bad?
HIS GPS WON'T CONNECT WITHOUT DATA CONNECTION IS UP! Not the freaking nav application! Maverick uses preloaded maps too, GPS Status&Toolbox doesn't use maps at all, Turbo GPS doesn't use maps, every program that uses GPS to receive location or establishing connection with sattelites DOESN'T receive location or establish connection without data connection!
Now the problem is clear?
As i told, problem is solved
And iGO is total ****
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you completely ignore my messages? or my english is SO bad?
HIS GPS WON'T CONNECT WITHOUT DATA CONNECTION IS UP! Not the freaking nav application! Maverick uses preloaded maps too, GPS Status&Toolbox doesn't use maps at all, Turbo GPS doesn't use maps, every program that uses GPS to receive location or establishing connection with sattelites DOESN'T receive location or establish connection without data connection!
Now the problem is clear?
As i told, problem is solved
And iGO is total ****
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Damn tell me that "HIS GPS WON'T CONNECT WITHOUT DATA CONNECTION IS UP" from the first time... btw this is a rom related problem...
Hi all im trying to use my GPS on navigation and it doesnt seem to be working one bit i even downloaded a gps app and that wasnt picking it up also any idea's what's wrong?
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Hi all im trying to use my GPS on navigation and it doesnt seem to be working one bit i even downloaded a gps app and that wasnt picking it up also any idea's what's wrong?
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EDIT: the only real GPS dead zones are underground and on a very rare occurence when your time and date aren't synchronized with that of the GPS sattelite. Other then that, have you tried to enable GPS in settings (would be weird if it was disabled by default). It also matters if you have a data connection when using some apps (I have never gotten google maps to show me where I am when I have no data).
Hope some of this is useful to you
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EDIT: the only real GPS dead zones are underground and on a very rare occurence when your time and date aren't synchronized with that of the GPS sattelite. Other then that, have you tried to enable GPS in settings (would be weird if it was disabled by default). It also matters if you have a data connection when using some apps (I have never gotten google maps to show me where I am when I have no data).
Hope some of this is useful to you
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Thank's for the reply the GPS is enabled still no luck,you cant get data on the Galaxy Player anyway i think.
Other people must be having this problem too the thread has had about 200 view's does anyone know anything about this problem?
TipTopFlipFlop said:
Thank's for the reply the GPS is enabled still no luck,you cant get data on the Galaxy Player anyway i think.
Other people must be having this problem too the thread has had about 200 view's does anyone know anything about this problem?
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By data connection he means a wifi connection.
GPS uses data always. So it needs a data stream to get and use location services and maps.
On a phone it uses cellular or wifi but on an ipod style device or the galaxy player it needs wifi.
Without wifi it will never work unless your gps config files are modified; which is something i learned when trying to get the Acer Iconia GPS to work. And even then its probably not going to work.
Turn on wifi. I bet it works.
You now may be thinking "then what good is gps when i do not have a data connection!!?" - and my answer is exactly!!!
Gps on these devices is a gimmick and really only works when wifi is available.
True gps like a tom tom device doesnt need a wifi connection because it uses the gps link iyself for the limited data it needs plus the maps are built in.
On the galaxy player and phones the maps are downloaded at needed because they are hundreds of megs .
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True gps like a tom tom device doesnt need a wifi connection because it uses the gps link iyself for the limited data it needs plus the maps are built in.
On the galaxy player and phones the maps are downloaded at needed because they are hundreds of megs .
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The Galaxy Player works fine as a standalone GPS without need of a wifi connection if you have the right kind of app. I use Sygic but there are several others. You download maps from Sygic to your player so they are available on your device. Works fine on my 5" Galaxy Player. Also there are apps like speedometers which use the GPS and work fine without a wifi connection.
I use Sygic. And also use pre recorded areas in Google Maps when I need it. No need to WI-FI, etc..
It is a good GPS 5 ".
In fact, very good.
Until now no problems experienced with GPS. If you do not connect may be related to your area.
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By data connection he means a wifi connection.
GPS uses data always. So it needs a data stream to get and use location services and maps.
On a phone it uses cellular or wifi but on an ipod style device or the galaxy player it needs wifi.
Without wifi it will never work unless your gps config files are modified; which is something i learned when trying to get the Acer Iconia GPS to work. And even then its probably not going to work.
Turn on wifi. I bet it works.
You now may be thinking "then what good is gps when i do not have a data connection!!?" - and my answer is exactly!!!
Gps on these devices is a gimmick and really only works when wifi is available.
True gps like a tom tom device doesnt need a wifi connection because it uses the gps link iyself for the limited data it needs plus the maps are built in.
On the galaxy player and phones the maps are downloaded at needed because they are hundreds of megs .
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The GPS technology works perfectly fine without data connection. To speed up the first fix, aGPS was developped and uses a data connection when available, but data connection is not mandatory. It's what is used in most if not all smartphones (search for "assisted gps" in wikipedia).
Data connection are required by some navigation software because they need to download the maps or for some obscure reasons. It's the case with google navigation for example.
But you can use a software that doesn't require data connection and store all its map on the device and only uses the GPS signal to do the fix, as gotok pointed out correctly. An android device with a good navigation software is no different than what you call a "true gps like tomtom".
I think you just don't make the difference between GPS (the technology) and navigation software.
I agree that the samsung S wifi's GPS capabilities are not very useful "out of the box" with the limitations of google navigation, but it can work perfectly fine with a good software. Don't blame this device (or any other one) for the shortcomings of google navigation and some other software.
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I agree that the samsung S wifi's GPS capabilities are not very useful "out of the box" with the limitations of google navigation, but it can work perfectly fine with a good software. Don't blame this device (or any other one) for the shortcomings of google navigation and some other software.
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The software is definitely an issue. The SGP i got for christmas couldn't utilize its GPS at all. Regardless of what app tried to use GPS location services, i always got a location error (E.G. Location unavailable at this time.) After doing a little searching, i found that someone had an app that fixed a similar problem. I downloaded "GPS Status & Toolbox" and let it run. Its primary use is a compass and getting information about location, but after i opened it and let it download GPS configuration information, everything worked perfectly. Maps showed where i was, Facebook gave me nearby locations and so on.
Dont know if everyone figured this out already or not, but after reading over most of the thread, i didn't see a definitive solution. Just thought I'd share what i had found.
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The GPS technology works perfectly fine without data connection. To speed up the first fix, aGPS was developped and uses a data connection when available, but data connection is not mandatory. It's what is used in most if not all smartphones (search for "assisted gps" in wikipedia).
Data connection are required by some navigation software because they need to download the maps or for some obscure reasons. It's the case with google navigation for example.
But you can use a software that doesn't require data connection and store all its map on the device and only uses the GPS signal to do the fix, as gotok pointed out correctly. An android device with a good navigation software is no different than what you call a "true gps like tomtom".
I think you just don't make the difference between GPS (the technology) and navigation software.
I agree that the samsung S wifi's GPS capabilities are not very useful "out of the box" with the limitations of google navigation, but it can work perfectly fine with a good software. Don't blame this device (or any other one) for the shortcomings of google navigation and some other software.
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Data connection is never "mandatory" but with some GPS chipsets, it effectively is.
Some chipsets are so crippled they are almost never able to get a lock without assistance.
See the original GalaxyS phones as one example.
The Infuse is improved but not much better.
The Galaxy S II is VERY good at standalone operation.
Galaxy Players - ???, no clue
The GPS works fine, without wifi, on the Galaxy Player 5.0. To test it, get GPS Test (free). Of all the devices I have ever had with GPS (including Nokia phones, LG Android and HTC phones, Garmin) the GPS is the fastest I have experienced. Locks indoors and on moving trains very fast.
I use CoPilot mapping and navigation program and it works great.
I use "Mapdroid" (Free) and "Navdroid" (purchased) and both work great as stand-alone apps. The maps are open source maps and can be had for pretty much anywhere in the world.
Just like a real stand-alone GPSr the accuracy and speed of start up depends on a clear view of the sky, enough time to builds it's almanac of Sats and how far you are from the location you last accessed the app ( moving great distances between uses is almost the same as being turned on for the first time). The same can be said if too much time has gone by between use (such as months).
The Sat almanac gets built when your gpsr is turned on for the first time and is used as a predictive way identifying which Sats should be overhead at the current time you turn your GPSr on. Four or more Sataltites locked in gives you a higher degree of accuracy.
John
Hi,
I'm just wondering why my GPS doesn't work without internet connection. It just can't connect to any sattelite. I'm currently using PFGPS v2.0 FIX for my country (Poland) and I don't see any changes. What is wrong?
It requires Internet to load the maps
Can I load maps now to use GPS without internet connection if I'm not in wifi area?
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Can I load maps now to use GPS without internet connection if I'm not in wifi area?
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how can you load maps without internet connection ??
I'm at home now so I can do it cause I have wifi here :/
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I'm at home now so I can do it cause I have wifi here :/
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so you have wifi that means you are connected to the internet!!!
for GPS it can only find your position but can't display your location on a map without an internet connection so GPS needs one.
I will wait for answer from another person. Thank you.
There is an application on the market(related to sports/tracking) that allows you to download a portion of a map and then you can use your GPS offline(no data connection). When I get home I will look for it(I have it on my tablet).
Correct me if I am wrong but Brajano95 means that is it possible to load the maps on his wifi connection and keep then saved when he is out and about to allow the gps to connect. You used to be able to do this in the google labs section on google maps but they've since taken it away unless you look for an older version. Otherwise have a look for third party map app on the android market which allows downloading of map data to the phone
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Correct me if I am wrong but Brajano95 means that is it possible to load the maps on his wifi connection and keep then saved when he is out and about to allow the gps to connect. You used to be able to do this in the google labs section on google maps but they've since taken it away unless you look for an older version. Otherwise have a look for third party map app on the android market which allows downloading of map data to the phone
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Thats exactly what I'm talking about! Now I'm downloading Sygic Aura (about 550 mb) and will test it later.
Because GPS and Maps on CM7 suck balls at best. Maps is using your I.P. for the GPS coordinates when on WIFI, without it Maps is counting on a reliable signal from your GPS; and that's just not going to happen with CM7.
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You can use iGo My Way
I know a fair bit about the GPS module in the Ace so i will comment. I think someone has already told you that it is possible to operate the Ace with preloaded maps. Likewise, i thought that the OP's choice of Sygic Navigation is a fair one.
Back to the original question in the title. GPS can operate with or without internet be it wifi or data e.g. 3G/2G. The difference is how fast you can obtain a GPS lock. Without using any positioning help from data connectivity, you are looking at a lock time of possibly 15 minutes thereabout.
There are 4 modes of operation possible for the GPS module in the Ace which is actually Qualcomm's GpsONE.
1.) Standalone (Slowest using positioning information in cache and smart polling)
2.) MS-Based (Sends data to nearby cell tower(s) and makes use of GPS transceivers in the cell tower(s)
3.) MS-Assisted (Similar to MS-Based BUT data connectivity is broken when GPS transceiver is online. I don't quite like that!)
4.) MS-Based/Hybrid (You need to have superb data connectivity probably cell tower signal strength should be in the -50dBm region. Not very useful in real life usage)
i have had my own thread for fixing GPS, so read up if you want to know more here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320626
first you need the maps to use it offline, and the correct gps.conf for your location http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284506, then you can use it without internet
Mapdroyd is a great app that allows you to download maps for offline use. Unfortunately there isn't offline navigation though..
Hi,
I've solved my problem, just install Sygic! Thanks for helping guys
btw u dont need too install anything.. go to google labs inside maps and add map cache.. now long press a location on map.. click the arrow on the address and u ll see an option to cache that area.. the steps may not be accurate as i tried it a long time back and dont have my phone with me but its possible and what u have to do will be more or less the same...
hi..ive never used gps on mobiles before..haha..
but got the s2 off my mate and think its a great phone..
anyway if select location and just use phone gps well it dont do alot, if anything
using wifi aswell as you would expect works
so everytime im out and want to plan a route home do i need a data connection, it cant just use the gps chip??
thanks in advance
Did you get your explanation?